[01:23] <phillw> jmarsden: are you still about?
[01:23] <jmarsden> phillw: Yes.
[01:26] <phillw> I still cannot get this bl**dy guest additions to work :( - I know it is operator error, but I've tried and tried again. If you could schedule a bit of time when things are not too busy, I'd appreciate a bit of help as to why tis idiot cannot get it to work!
[01:27] <phillw> There is no urgency, the VM's are functioning. It is simply, for me, the lack of being able to C&P between them and also the 'main system'
[01:28] <phillw> btw, has there been any progress on the gnome-power-manager bug in 11-10?
[01:32] <jmarsden> I've not done anything on the gnome-power-manager thing, and I don't know of Julien or anyone else doing anything further with it.
[01:33] <jmarsden> Re cut and paste... they work (say between two instances of leafpad, for a consistent simple test case) on your host OS, right?  Does cut and paste also work between two instances of leafpad that are both running in the same virtualbox VM?
[01:35] <phillw> I've only been trying to c&P between Terminal sessions and web pages with code commands. Ctrl+C from web area and Shift+Ctrl+V This works fine on my base system, but the clipboard is not shared.
[01:37] <phillw> between 2 leafpads, on same VM - it works fine.
[01:38] <jmarsden> Terminal to web has all the weird "wrong clipboard" issues involved.  OK... can you do leafpad to leafpad where each leafpad is in a different VM, or where one is in the host OS and one in a VM?
[01:39]  * phillw is just firing up 11-10 VM
[01:41] <phillw> C&P does not work either way with 11-04 VM and 11-10 VM
[01:42] <phillw> soz, had to killall gnome-power-manager... it is a real PITA!
[01:43] <jmarsden> You are killing it in the 11.10 VM?  I must have too much spare CPU for my own good, or something, I've run an 11.10 Alpha1 VM and not noticed the issue :)
[01:43] <phillw> yup, in my 11-10 it cranks my 2nd CPU to 100%
[01:44] <phillw> I've seen it mentioned a couple of times, we are getting used to just issuing the command.
[01:46] <phillw> But, I'm only running a poorly AMD Turon :P
[01:46] <phillw> *lowly*
[01:47] <jmarsden> Yes... OK, it does that here too, on my quad core Q9550 I didn't even notice until I looked for it in htop :)
[01:48] <phillw> I've got a CPU all to myself :P
[01:48] <phillw> at least that is what that darned gnome system uses!
[01:49] <jmarsden> Hmmm, I am wondering if Guest additions don't fully like the X in Oneiric?  I can resize my 11.04 VM and the screen resizes to match.  In my 11.10 VM it doesn't... testing...
[02:01] <phillw> I'll leave that with you, bed time here!
[02:02] <jmarsden> OK, goodnight :)
[07:06] <john_rambo>  Hi, I while starting a game using I *sometimes* find that audio is completely gone ...is there a way to get audio back other that rebooting ? (Lubuntu 11.04)
[07:07] <john_rambo> *using wine
[10:26] <xh> hi! i have set up a wallpaper, now when i go to desktop prefs > appearance > wallpaper mode, and select 'Fill with background color only' xorg crashes and i am left with a virtual console; is there a known fix for this?
[10:35] <buff27> xh, do you also have gnome or kde on the same system? as I cant see "appearance" under prefs
[10:36] <xh> buff27: i am just right-clicking the desktop and selecting 'Desktop Settings'
[10:36] <xh> buff27: i don't have the full kde or gnome, only the libs
[10:39] <buff27> xh, I confirm the error
[10:39] <xh> buff27: ok, which bugtracker should this be tracked to? openbox, lxde or lubuntu?
[10:39] <buff27> xh, not sure how where or if to log a bug
[10:40] <buff27> maybe someone else can advise?
[10:44] <xh> buff27: do you happen to know which config file stores the wallpaper settings? it does not appear to be anywhere in ~/.config/openbox; setting the image to a transparent pixel will work but is kind of stupid..
[10:47] <xh> buff27: oh, found it, looks like this is pcmanfm-related: the setting are in ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf
[10:49] <xh> buff27: ok, i going to try setting wallpaper_mode=1 in  ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf
[10:50] <buff27> xh, roger
[10:58] <xh> buff27: didn't work, tried both 0 and 1 for wallpaper_mode, but no change, cannot get rid of the picture; the funny thing is that there are two pcmanfm.conf files: ~/.config/pcmanfm/pcmanfm.conf and ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf
[10:59] <xh> buff27: looks like the second is used
[11:01] <buff27> xh, you trying to reduce ram usage?
[11:03] <xh> buff27: by removing the wallpaper? no, i just have days when i prefer solid colors
[11:04] <xh> buff27: white space (or other-colored space) is the basic element of design, as someone said :)
[11:05] <xh> buff27: and any kind of _form_ is actually taking space, so you get less of it
[11:06] <buff27> xh, so is it a bug to report?
[11:09] <xh> buff27: i suppose so, but it is tricky to figure out where to, and what are the preconditions to reproduce, do you have a dual monitor setup? because i do, and it i did not try with a single head
[11:09] <buff27> xh, no just a single monitor
[11:10] <buff27> xh, and a fresh install just a few hours ago with a few of my favourite packages apt-get'd
[11:12] <xh> buff27: i see, oh, looks like what i need: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs
[11:15] <xh> buff27: that's really neat!
[11:15] <buff27> xh, what's that?
[11:16] <xh> buff27: you just run in terminal `ubuntu-bug pcmanfm` or whatever component is affected and the app does most of the job for you..
[11:16] <buff27> xh, uh errrr really?
[11:17] <xh> buff27: try it :)
[11:17] <xh> buff27: it will then open a browser window to fill in the details and stuff
[11:18] <xh> buff27: um, but i still have create a launchpad account..
[11:18] <buff27> xh, i see, i was just reading about apport
[11:19] <buff27> pm xh?
[11:19] <xh> buff27: how does that work?
[11:20] <buff27> pm  = private message, as in I'm requesting to private message you
[11:20] <xh> buff27: i understand but never did it before, do i have to type some command?
[11:21] <buff27> xh, what irc client do you use?
[11:21] <xh> buff27: xchat
[11:22] <buff27> xh, you should see like a new channel with my nick
[19:13] <draioch> have probs trying to get sound output on a dell optiplex g280, have alsa default drivers installed, check obvious mute sound level any help pls
[19:14] <draioch> running lubuntu 11.04
[19:15] <jmarsden> draioch: I'm not an expert on the sound stuff, but you can try using alsamixer in a terminal window to see what the sound device settings are and set volume levels per device...
[19:23] <draioch> ok thanks jmarsden
[19:23] <jmarsden> draioch: You're welcome.
[19:24] <Dexo> hey, can i ask a question
[19:25] <Dexo> is there a difference between Lubuntu and getting Ubuntu Server and installing LXDE?
[19:27] <Octatron> A lot of the polished interface isn't setup probably I'd say?  Issue like when you install a new program the menu wouldn't show the program without running a script
[19:28] <Octatron> At least that was my experience with installing Ubuntu and icewm, blackbox and fluxbox in the past
[19:28] <Dexo> is lubuntu better than ubuntuserver+lxde?
[19:29] <Dexo> cause im gonna use it on my old deksotp to host a game server and i want a gui since im not great with terminal so i choose lxde since its light
[19:29] <Octatron> It's basically the same thing except with Lubuntu someone has gone through and made sure all the loose ends are sorted out so everything works seamlessly without having to invoke isoteric commands from terminal
[19:29] <Dexo> ok then lubuntu it is
[19:30] <Octatron> good choice, saves alot of headache I'd say
[19:30] <Dexo> one friend says ONLY ubuntu server. one says Mint. so i conprimised.
[19:31] <Octatron> Hope the game isn't too high end on an old pc
[19:31] <Dexo> MineCraft
[19:31] <Octatron> how old is the laptop?
[19:31] <Dexo> pentium 3, 512mb ram
[19:31] <Dexo> del optiplex gx110
[19:32] <Dexo> could that handle lxde
[19:32] <Octatron> maybe ferret out another 512mb and it might be ok
[19:32] <draioch> how can i tell what sound card is installed
[19:32] <Octatron> lspci at terminal
[19:32] <Dexo> with that i have now, do u recommand just ubuntu server?
[19:32] <Octatron> or lspci | grep sound
[19:33] <Octatron> see how you go, try it I'm just guessing here
[19:33] <Dexo> if its to slow, ill just reinstall with just server
[19:34] <draioch> thx octatron got an output from that lspci thx
[19:34] <Dexo> is lubuntu 10.4 lighter than 11.04
[19:35] <jmarsden> draioch: Or alsamixer, press f2 and a menu showing various alsa config items appears...
[19:35] <Octatron> Providing the sound driver's actually loaded
[19:36] <draioch> yea thx ill have another try with that later thx jmarsden octatron
[19:37] <Octatron> Look around for some extra ram if you can, it shouldn't be too expensive if you need to buy it.. it might even take old desktop pc ram
[19:37] <Dexo> ddr ram is expensive compared to ddr2
[19:37] <Dexo> ill check my other old desktop, i think it has ddr2 though
[19:38] <Octatron> always cool when you can reuse old parts
[19:38] <Octatron> perhaps run memcheck at startup to check it's all working as well
[19:39] <Dexo> k. whats better amd athlon 64 or pentium 3
[19:39] <Dexo> both 1 gig ram
[19:39] <Dexo> im not good with processors.
[19:40] <jmarsden> Dexo: At the same clock speed, a PIII might be faster than an Athlon 64.  But most Athlon 64s will run at a higher clock than a PIII...
[19:41] <Octatron> might have to run some benchmark software, I'm not sure but I usually trusted Intel over AMD the old stuff use to overheat
[19:41] <jmarsden> Dexo: If you can boot from the Lubuntu livecd, hardinfo has some basic benchmark tests in it that you could run...
[19:42] <Dexo> i may do that
[19:44] <Dexo> " and competes primarily with Intel's Pentium 4"
[19:44] <Dexo> so that would suggestion its better than a pentuim 3
[19:46] <Octatron> Well Athlon 64 might be able to run a 64 bit version perhaps of Ubuntu instead of a 32 bit .. might be worth it
[19:47] <Dexo> i didnt know my deksotp was 64 bit lol. i thoguh it was 32 since its old. ill go check
[19:47] <Octatron> the chip name seems to suggest it might.. I'm just guessing again here
[19:48] <Dexo> any way to see if its 64-bit without turning it on
[19:50] <Octatron> Dexo: Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64#Single-core_Athlon_64
[19:51] <Dexo> ont he amd website for that processor it has this, "Simultaneous 32-bit and 64-bit computing"
[19:51] <Octatron> Look in my experience, if a 64bit live cd detects a 32bit chipset it stops booting and tells me.. so you could just try it
[19:52] <jmarsden> Dexo: An Athlon 64 is a 64-bit capable chip, it can run "amd64" Debian and Ubuntu code.  Unless you have plenty of RAM, it may not be worth doing that, though.
[19:52] <Octatron> was that written when 512mb was alot of ram though?
[19:52] <Dexo> and ti would have 1 gig
[19:54] <Dexo> it*
[19:55] <jmarsden> Unless you have at least 4GB there's not much point running 64bit, in my opinion.
[19:55] <Dexo> right now on this computer i have 64 bit and its win7 with 3gig ddr3
[19:55] <Dexo> sooooooooo
[19:55] <jmarsden> And did you benchmark the speed difference between win7 64bit and win7 32bit on that same machine?
[19:56] <Dexo> ?
[19:56] <jmarsden> if not, you don't know whether 64bit gave you any advantage over 32bit.
[19:57] <Dexo> i got the computer with 64 bit
[19:57] <Octatron> Dexo: I'd do 64bit, if the chip supports it even with 1GB of Ram it's like having a 4 lane highway instead of a 2 lane.  Windows 7 64bit has a whole bunch of 32 bit programs which is pointless, however all of ubuntu's software should utilise the 64bit os
[19:57] <jmarsden> Octatron: No, 64bit on low RAM machines is wasteful of RAM for no real benefit.
[19:57] <Dexo> jmarsden, any input on that ^^
[19:57] <jmarsden> benchmarks to disprove this welcomed...
[19:58] <bioterror> sure
[19:58] <bioterror> bigger address spaces
[19:58] <bioterror> ifconfig for example
[19:58] <Dexo> darn, 2 people saying oppisite ideas
[19:58] <jmarsden> bioterror: ifconfig runs faster on a 64bit machine???  really?
[19:59] <bioterror> jmarsden, RX and TX Bytes ;)
[19:59] <Dexo> LoL
[19:59] <bioterror> see yourself ;)
[19:59] <bioterror> move few gigs
[20:00] <jmarsden> bioterror: Oh, you mean it uses 64bit counters instead of 32bit counters, depending on the CPU architecture?
[20:00] <bioterror> 32bit cycles around 3.9GB of I remember right
[20:01] <bioterror> too tired to do calculations :D
[20:01] <bioterror> s/of/if/
[20:01] <bioterror> just talking about wasting precious RAM with 64bit system
[20:01] <Dexo> how would 64-bit waste ram?
[20:01] <Octatron> Have a look at this guys: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks
[20:02] <jmarsden> Dexo: Because programs use 64bit variables for things, so that's twice the space a 32bit one would use...
[20:02] <Dexo> ohhhhh
[20:03] <jmarsden> Octatron: And normal use (boot time, compression, etc, there is no significant speed difference.  Only doing some audio/video stuff where they carefully optimized the 64bit version do you see any benefit.
[20:05] <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=2 let's dig some old articles :D
[20:06] <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_32_pae&num=1 a little newer ;)
[20:07] <Dexo> This link really helped: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks
[20:07] <Dexo> kinda shows 64-bit better
[20:07] <jmarsden> Dexo: Only in audio/video tasks, as I read it... anyway, it's your machine, your choice what OS you run.
[20:07] <Dexo> lol
[20:08] <Dexo> where doi dl lubuntu
[20:08] <Unit193> bioterror: That set it! I'm going to use 64 ;)
[20:08] <bioterror> :D
[20:09] <Dexo> one last question for u guys. for a game servr 32 or 64
[20:09] <jmarsden> Dexo: REad the topic of this channel.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[20:09] <bioterror> Unit193, I hope you're going to use Solaris then ;)
[20:09] <Dexo> oh lol, srry jmarsden. i was looking on the website
[20:10] <Octatron> Bascially, each time your CPU pumps through some data it's using all the chips capability by putting through 64bits in one cycle instead of 32bits, so on small things you might not see much difference but on loading big stuff you probably will.. providing you don't go over your ram amount
[20:10] <Unit193> bioterror: Naaa, I'm going to use OpenIndiana
[20:11] <Dexo> so 32bit is good for small tasks and 64 is good for large tasks?
[20:12] <Octatron> well kinda, for example.. firefox would probably load a bit faster because it's getting a bit fat lately
[20:12] <Dexo> im not gonna be doing any of that stuff, just server hosting
[20:13] <Dexo> (it also seems 64-bit is bad with Flash)
[20:13] <Octatron> well your gaming server will probably take up some considerable cpu usage, so it might be worth it for the sake of computing where a player is and what is happening quicker
[20:13] <Dexo> so u say 64-bit.
[20:14] <Octatron> Only because Adobe aren't quick enough to come out with a good flash prog, But I'm using a 64bit Lucid install atm and my flash is fine so it's probably solved
[20:15] <Octatron> Why not try both and IRC the results to the next Ubuntu-au mailing list
[20:15] <Dexo> would a minimal install be better for a server hosting computer?
[20:16] <Octatron> it would for sure, less to load up as long as your comfortable with command line
[20:16] <Dexo> oh minimal is a terminal
[20:16] <Dexo> nvm then
[20:16] <Dexo> if i wanted terminal i would just get ubuntu server
[20:17] <Dexo> i want the lightest possibal but still hvae gui :P
[20:17] <Octatron> That's right, you could install webmin so at least you could administer stuff through a web browser on another machine but it won't do anything for minecraft i don't think
[20:18] <Dexo> yea what my one friend does (who uses ubuntu server) is ssh to the minecraft server's console and uses ftp to upload and edit the files
[20:18] <Octatron> well lxde is good, but some lighter/ less polished ones are, fluxbox, openbox, icewm
[20:19] <Dexo> right now i host it from my current computer, win7 3gig ram ddr3. and its fine
[20:19] <Dexo> maybe ill; check out fluxbox
[20:20] <Octatron> there's no menu button you just right click and it appears..
[20:20] <Dexo> no. fluxbox is to crude lol
[20:20] <Dexo> i would be better off with a terminal
[20:20] <Octatron> you tube em you'll see what they look like
[20:21] <Octatron> Yes learn terminal and achieve a power greater than any Jedi!
[20:22] <jmarsden> Octatron: webmin is officially no longer supported in Ubuntu or Debian.
[20:22] <jmarsden> !webmin
[20:23] <jmarsden> Dexo: Yes, if you are going to run a production server, learn to use the shell.
[20:23] <Octatron> Really? dam.. that's a shame it was so pretty..
[20:23] <Dexo> ill need to look up some terminal tutorials lol
[20:24] <Dexo> are all ubuntu terminals basically the same?
[20:24] <Octatron> google cheat sheet should spit out something
[20:25] <Dexo> LOL. im watching a tutorial on youtube and the guys terminal naem thingy the user@user-place is the same as mine is :P
[20:27] <jmarsden> Dexo: Don't confuse the terminal emulator with the shell that is running in it.  The various terminal emulators look a bit different, some have tabs for multiple sessions, some have transparency, etc etc.  All run the same bash shell and so the same set of commands...
[20:27] <Dexo> yea, i was just wondering if there was any difference between say, Mint and Ubuntu, or PCLinux
[20:27] <jmarsden> Those are not terminals ... ?
[20:28] <Dexo> i no. there flavors
[20:28] <bioterror> !shell | Dexo
[20:28] <Dexo> yea i no
[20:30] <Octatron> bascally type a letter or two in and hit tab a few times, when you see one you like type in "man commandfound"
[20:31] <jmarsden> Dexo: There are no significant differences between the set of commands you will need to learn to admin a server running any Debian or Ubuntu based Linux.  if you are new to servers, I'd suggest running Ubuntu server, because #ubuntu-server is a good place to get server-oriented support when you need it.
[20:32] <Dexo> jmarsden, its a minecraft server. ive been running it for months i know how to use it. i jsut want a better computer to run it.
[20:32] <Dexo> the commands wont be changing.
[20:33] <Dexo> (unless there commands outside of the server)
[20:33] <jmarsden> Um... I think you and I mean different things by the word "server" in the above conversation...
[20:33] <Dexo> lol
[20:34] <Dexo> a minecraft server. im hosting a game server
[20:34] <Octatron> You could just cheat and youtube it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORJ69LGVYA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcEtjGIujt8
[20:34] <Dexo> lol or that :P
[20:36] <Octatron> If you want to test your skills with Linux command line first, you could install Virtualbox on your windows 7 beast and put Ubuntu server within that and just play with it a bit
[20:37] <Dexo> i normally use ubuntu on my laptop as a virtual and mess with console in there
[20:37] <Dexo> i have 9.10 and just got 11.04
[20:37] <Octatron> cool that's the way to do it!
[20:37] <Dexo> gnome 3 is really nice compared to gnone 2
[20:38] <Dexo> unity is cool
[20:38] <Octatron> Really? I find them so restricting... can't move anything
[20:38] <Dexo> i agree, but if u like eye candy
[20:39] <Dexo> i would use 9.10 over 11.04. but 11.04 looks much better
[20:40] <Octatron> Dude, take gnome2 and install compiz with awn and all the special effects with compizconfig settings manager and you'll find a whole lot more effects!
[20:40] <Dexo> oooooooo. i might. but i mgiht need to bump up the virtual pc's ram
[20:41] <Octatron> Look at this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfRpmqKRbs The dark side is more powerful!
[20:42] <Dexo> is 10.04 much better than 9.10?
[20:42] <Dexo> is it worth the update?
[20:44] <Octatron> 10.04 is LTS so yes, its pretty stable I think
[20:45] <Dexo> maybe ill update. would i recommend updating or just a new install?
[20:46] <jmarsden> 9.10 is already end of life, a couple of months back.  So yes, you need to use 10.04 :)
[20:47] <Dexo> end of life? not supported anymore
[20:47] <jmarsden> Upgrade or fresh install is up to you, depends how much customization you have done on the 9.10 setup.
[20:47] <Octatron> If you don't need to backup stuff do a fresh install, the upgrade distro's option are always a bit messy
[20:47] <jmarsden> Dexo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases says it went EOL on April 20, 2011.
[20:48] <jmarsden> April 30, 2011 I mean :)
[20:49] <jmarsden> It's obsolete, anyway!  No longer supported, no more security updates, etc.
[20:49] <Dexo> ill install 10.04 then
[20:51] <Octatron> That's right, generally they try out all the new cool stuff between LTS releases which might be buggy and when you hit *.04 they attempt to make it as stable as possible with the longest amount of support
[20:52] <Dexo> i fi install that epic graphical effect thing u said. will 1 gig ram on a virtual handle it?
[20:52] <Dexo> the host has win7 with 4gig ddr2 ram
[20:52] <bioterror> Octatron, awful video :D
[20:53] <Octatron> Um, Probably would struggle I'd say.. 2Gb might be ok but don't turn all of them on.
[20:53] <Dexo> ok.
[20:53] <Dexo> i can bump it up to 2 gig
[20:53] <jmarsden> However, you don't really need or want any "epic graphical effects" on a *server* machine or server VM!  Run Ubuntu Server 10.04 and learn the commands needed to manage it.
[20:54] <Dexo> i know. he just showed me them and im gonna install them on my vitual for fun
[20:55] <Octatron> That's the way, do the fun stuff otherwise you'll think Ubuntu is as about as exciting as accounting :P
[20:56] <Dexo> yep
[20:56] <Dexo> once i get some extra money maybe ill get a ubuntu laptop
[20:57] <jmarsden> I'd recommend two VMs: a server VM for running a server, and a desktop VM for "fun stuff", in that case.
[20:58] <Dexo> why cant i just use the terminal on the desktop instead of installing ubuntu server
[20:58] <Octatron> Yeah you could do that, it just chews more ram that's all
[20:59] <jmarsden> Because you won't, you'll fall back to GUi tools whenever you want to do something you don't yet know how to do from the shell... and because on an older PC running a PIII or whatever you don't want to waste RAM or CPU on a GUI...
[20:59] <Dexo> i see what ur saying
[20:59] <phillw> jmarsden: he could do as I did, 2 X 512MB VM's for lubuntu 11-04 and 11-10 (or in his case, stable & 'test'), with both running I'm not touching swap.
[21:00] <Dexo> and plus. once i install lubuntu onto my desktop. i can still use the gui
 i would be better off with a terminal
[21:01] <jmarsden> You said it.  For a server on older hardware, I agree.  So my suggestion is to learn it that way...
[21:03] <Octatron> It's not as hard as you think, you'll probably use about 20 or so common commands and google the rest when you need them
[21:03] <phillw> jmarsden: I'm sorta guessing, but could you just install Oracle VM onto the minimal iso and it also get the dependancies it needed?
[21:03] <Dexo> lol
[21:04] <jmarsden> phillw: I'm not sure... you could try it :)
[21:05] <phillw> when I get back home, I may give it a go :) Or, if it complains, it may be happy under lubuntu-core which is pretty stripped down...
[21:05] <Octatron> Think of it as a manual or reference, you don't have to know all the commands off the bat just the basics and them whatever bits minecraft needs
[21:06] <jmarsden> Dexo: A couple of talsk I have to my local Linux User Group might help you out, if the notes are usable for someone who didn't attend the talks... see http://crosswire.org/~jmarsden/talks/intro-to-the-linux-command-line/intro-to-the-linux-command-line.html and http://crosswire.org/~jmarsden/talks/managing-a-server-using-a-gui/managing-a-server-using-a-gui.html
[21:06] <jmarsden> s/talsk I have/talks I gave/
[21:10] <Octatron> Dexo: here's some homework :P http://fosswire.com/post/2008/04/ubuntu-cheat-sheet/
[21:11] <phillw> jmarsden: did you get chance to look at the gnome-power-manager or my C&P issue within VM?
[21:12] <Octatron> Dexo: And it's ugly cousin: http://fosswire.com/post/2007/08/unixlinux-command-cheat-sheet/
[21:18]  * phillw although, for anyone new(ish) to the ubuntu family http://ubuntu-manual.org/download/10.04e2/en_US/screen is an excellent resource, written by the various guys on various teams :)
[21:18] <phillw> you can even buy the book, if you prefer a hard back copy.
[21:27] <Octatron> Well Im off to bed night all!
[21:28] <bioterror> sleep tight! ;)
[21:34] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[21:34] <head_victim> Do you still need to add the PPA for this to work?
[21:36] <phillw> head_victim: it would depend on the version of lubuntu you are switching to.
[21:37] <phillw> 10.04 does, afaik, still need the ppa
[21:37] <head_victim> Ok, do we know what version that became redundant? I'm just about to point someone to that link from my LUG so want to update it before I go posting it to the ML
[21:37] <phillw> not needed for 11.04
[21:37] <head_victim> Ok but 10.10 on you do or don't?
[21:37] <bioterror> never used ppa with 10.1
[21:37] <bioterror> 10.10
[21:37] <head_victim> Sweet so 10.04 or earlier use the ppa, 10.10 or later, no need to add the PPA.
[21:38]  * head_victim logs in to change it now while I remember
[21:39] <phillw> head_victim: again, as far as we know. Use that link and edit it accordingly (else I will, it is an easy edit :P )
[21:40] <head_victim> phillw: I'm just doing it simple and easy, if you can have a quick look I've just hit save
[21:43] <phillw> head_victim: yeah, I'll just make one quick change. I do not thing any of those instructions apply to 9.10, which is out of support anyway.
[21:44] <head_victim> No worries mate
[21:44] <phillw> 10.04 and post 10.04 are the onlyones needed
[21:44] <head_victim> On that note I might head to bed, 7am here and I haven't slept yet.
[21:46] <phillw> head_victim: go get some Zzzz's :)
[21:46] <head_victim> Sorry I haven't been around heaps, still watching from the ether and helping where I can.
[21:47] <phillw> head_victim: each of us help where and when we can, all help is appreciated. Now..... GOT TO BED!!!!!!
[22:49] <Phosphenes> Are there any lubuntu forums or do we use the lxde forums?
[22:51] <jmarsden> phillw: re cut and paste and gnome-power-manager: I got sidetracked (got another updated package into Debian instead)
[22:55] <phillw> jmarsden: when you start 11-10 Lubuntu a1, it eats one of your CPU's at 100%
[22:56] <jmarsden> Yes.  It still does :)  I just didn't notice until you pointed it out yesterday :)
[22:56] <phillw> Phosphenes: use the lubuntu tage on the main forum.
[22:57] <phillw> *tag*
[22:57] <Phosphenes> ubuntuforums you mean?
[22:57] <phillw> Phosphenes: yup :)
[22:57] <Phosphenes> cool, thanks
[22:57] <phillw> that lets people know it is lubuntu and lets us hunt them down :D
[22:59] <phillw> jmarsden: from an earlier chat on here, is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu now factually correct with the usage of ppa *only* for 10.04?
[23:00] <jmarsden> phillw: I think so, but I wasn't around in the early days/years... I have no idea what Lubuntu 9.xx did at all, or if it even existed :)
[23:01] <phillw> jmarsden: there was a 9.10, but that pre-dates even me :)
[23:02] <phillw> hence 10.04, and post 10.04. The backporting to 10.04 is down to you and julien (well, and pcmanfm)
[23:04] <jmarsden> OK.  I think the page is correct for 10.04 and later.
[23:06] <phillw> Phosphenes: if you are 'playing' with 11-10, can you use http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1774388 it is a rather futile attempt to try and herd cats, but the forum mods have said that they will kick the odd stray onto that thread. It is not JUST about the title :P
[23:07] <Phosphenes> I'm still on 11.04 but I'll check it out
[23:11] <phillw> jmarsden: I got the shock of my life... I allowed 9.10 Ubuntu to update to the last kernel release, and blow me down with a feather, it recognised my 3G device. There is hope yet :)
[23:12] <jmarsden> Aha!  Last as in last that was provided for 9.10, or last as in most recent Ubuntu kernel in existence??
[23:12] <phillw> I'll pop 11.04 lubuntu onto a hard disk area and see how it gets on
[23:12] <phillw> I think last of the 9.10....  Linux piglet 2.6.31-23-generic-pae #75-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:14:10 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:13] <jmarsden> OK.  Hmmm... you are running with a -pae kernel?  You shouldn't need that unless you have more than 4GB RAM, I think?
[23:14] <phillw> the 11-10 VM is on Linux piglet 2.6.31-23-generic-pae #75-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:14:10 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:14] <jmarsden> Hmmm, my 11.04 VM runs 2.6.38-8-generic
[23:14] <phillw> I was told it was 3.2GB of Ram, but I am on 4GB of RAM, so switched to the PAE
[23:14] <jmarsden> Note, no -pae :)
[23:15] <jmarsden> Ah, OK... that sort of makes sense.
[23:15] <phillw> ahh, C&P failed... again.....
[23:15] <jmarsden> Everything I touch that has 4GB or more is running 64bit anyway...
[23:16] <phillw> 11-10 VM is on 3.0-1
[23:17] <phillw> 2.6.38-8 on 11-04 VM
[23:20] <phillw> jmarsden: you'd be better placed to tell me, should I change to 64 ONLY, or use PAE in order to test out compatibility with older kit on 32 bit only? I'm not a performance freak, so a slight reduction in speed is not an issue for me.
[23:20] <jmarsden> Very few people use -pae, in my experience.  I'd switch the host OS to 64bit and then run 32bit or 64bit VMs as desired within it.
[23:21] <jmarsden> Older kit generally doesn't have > 3.2GB and so does not need PAE.
[23:21] <phillw> jmarsden: well, add the Canonical build of lubuntu 64 bit to your list :P (Yes, I know you already have ;) )
[23:22] <phillw> older kit generally does not have a hidden 500GB drive in it either :D
[23:23] <jmarsden> Oh you bet, as soon as we have one, I'll have Lubuntu 11.10 amd64 in a (64bit) VM.  It's getting closer, little by little... lubuntu is now recognized by tasksel, for instance...
[23:23] <phillw> I guess at some point I'm going to want to see how far ubuntu have gotten with HDMI, as it appears this new piglet has one of those as a vid output
[23:30] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[23:30] <kosaidpo> i cant find mysql workbench
[23:30] <kosaidpo> n when i dl the deb it says i dont have some dep's :P
[23:31] <kosaidpo> even the lib vesion i have its newer then wht it requires
[23:31] <jmarsden> Where and are you getting the .deb file ?
[23:31] <kosaidpo> from mysql site jmarsden
[23:31] <jmarsden> Do they provide the *source* debian package for it?  So you can rebuild it?
[23:32] <kosaidpo> yeh i saw that too i guess
[23:32] <kosaidpo> hang on jmarsden
[23:32] <jmarsden> Then d/l the source package and rebuild it, it should then need your versions of the libraries not whatever was on the machine they used to build that .deb with :)
[23:35] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: okies im jst not used to the rebuilt idea tho :p
[23:36] <jmarsden> I can probably walk you through that...
[23:36] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: tnx well lets me try this deb first okies
[23:37] <kosaidpo> :D
[23:38] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: its gettin installed :D
[23:39] <jmarsden> OK.
[23:39] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: thnaks