[00:00] galat: I'm willing to bet that as the processes are terminated, one is being continued which has the window pop back up, then its subsequently terminated, causing the window to completely drop [00:00] SIR_Taco: since installing Natty I ran an 'aptitude full-upgrade' once (which installs new recommends and dependencies etc.), otherwise I run 'aptitude upgrade', which is equivalent to 'aptitude safe-ugrade' and only updates existing pkgs [00:00] * Linkmaster enters god-mode [00:00] s/existing/installed/ [00:00] galat: i have a dream... oops, sorry, luther king come to my mind. again. i have a feeling that is an option on desktop effects is doing that [00:01] I'm totally new to kubuntu, then I gathered - well, that might be quite normal and here I am asking dumb questions, but... [00:01] The only dumb question is the question that goes unasked :D [00:01] galat: no dumb questions. dumb is not asking [00:01] szal: yes, which is really what dist-upgrade does... [00:01] ^Great minds think alike [00:01] wow [00:02] Linkmaster: hehe, okies, I'm going to remember this one... :] [00:02] When I was new, gosh...I asked so many questions that with hindsight I'd be able to easily solve, and in fact have helped others solve as well. Its good to ask [00:02] if I knew that I could completely remove it again, I'd install the nVidia 275 from nvidia.com to check [00:03] galat: do one thing. install Desktop Toggle Effects from widgets. then turn OFF and check if that symptom still persists [00:03] szal: are the nvidia modules working? lsmod | grep nvidia [00:03] lcb: will do just that, thank you. [00:03] BRB then [00:03] SIR_Taco: no doubt about that, otherwise there wouldn't be an NVIDIA error in the log, would there? [00:03] galat: there are other ways of turning it off. but that one makes you have a switsh on your desktop or panel [00:04] szal: Yes, but humour me [00:04] I've actually got a question..if I run LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 as root...would that cause permanent damage to my system? [00:04] with an 'export' right before that [00:05] szal: I have no access to your computer, this is all blind, I can assume as much as I want, but you need to eliminate the obvious [00:05] SIR_Taco: nvidia 10709116 40 [00:05] Linkmaster: like a terminal kubuntu disease? sorry, i don't know unless i digg a bit on it. [00:06] BK. Yup, that was that :] [00:06] szal: ok, what does "nvidia-settings --version" report for it's version number? [00:06] I'm just thinking, since our kernel is what...2.6.38 or something? [00:06] Thank you very much guys :] [00:06] nvidia-settings: version 270.29 (buildd@allspice) Fri Feb 25 14:42:07 UTC 2011 [00:06] Linkmaster: Mine's 3.0 :P [00:06] galat: so now, "check" your checked desktop effects and try to discover the one making that [00:06] SIR_Taco: I want that >:l [00:06] Linkmaster: yes, 2.6.38-8 on Natty [00:07] lcb: yup, I am doing that now :] [00:07] :) glad Linkmaster helped [00:07] How'd I help? :P [00:07] Linkmaster: staying near by [00:07] Yep. Firecontrol is my duty [00:07] I heard that 2.6.39 fixes a lot of graphics issues, so I wonder how far the kernel team got in backporting the fixes; it's been 2 months into Natty & not a kernel update yet [00:07] lol [00:07] szal: I may be on 11.10, but I think that's a low version number. No one else has an nVidia caard?? [00:08] * Linkmaster has a system composed of entirely broadcom and Intel [00:08] Linkmaster: yes, I know you have the systems with a dash of the devil lol [00:09] :D [00:09] It sometimes works [00:09] time to sleep. 8 mts after midnight here. today is another one, different and better, i hope. nite nite guys & gals, Inc. [00:09] lol [00:09] night lcb, sleep well [00:11] SIR_Taco: bug 761575 [00:11] Launchpad bug 761575 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "X-server hangs while starting some GTK programs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761575 [00:12] similar bugs reported for Arch Linux and Gentoo [00:12] okay, 'export' doesn't last across boots so even if I bork my system it'll be fine on a reboot. The LD_ASSUME_KERNEL part means to set an environmental for configuring thingys....thats a really old kernel though :P [00:13] szal: well that seems to explain it [00:14] * Linkmaster goes off to find out to mount an .iso file on Linux [00:14] Okay... checked: this would be "Fall apart" effect. [00:15] Linkmaster: sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/isofile.iso /path/to/mount/point/ [00:15] I just found that command, but thanks szal :D [00:16] szal: I think you're stuck.... you could try installing the 185 drivers [00:18] I have gotten a confusing error.. [00:18] mount: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [00:19] you don't really need the -t iso9660, unless you know that's the format of the CD [00:20] I'm getting this error for every command I punch in, other then the cd [00:20] I can't 'ls', for I get this: [00:20] ls: error while loading shared libraries: librt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [00:20] Linkmaster: do you have updates going on? [00:20] Now I KNOW I borked something, but where and how is the question.. [00:21] Nope [00:21] No downloads either [00:21] you can't do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"? [00:21] let me try that real fast, didn't think of that [00:21] dpkg: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [00:22] I'm currently root, I don't know if that will cause a problem or not [00:22] not finding libc is a big problem [00:22] I know that, which is why I'm wondering how I borked it. I haven't deleted anything [00:22] and I'm afraid to restart now.. [00:23] are you in CHROOT env by any chance? [00:23] * Linkmaster hurredly grabs his external hard drive while he still has a GUI [00:23] I'm not sure, I'm currently in sudo su [00:23] I can use commands as a normal user just fine [00:24] try to log into another console to verify? [00:24] if you've somehow lost libc.so.6, you're in real trouble [00:26] I knowww, and I haven't even done anything [00:26] * keithzg figures it's finally time to upgrade to 11.04 on his main PC [00:26] normal user works just fine though [00:26] and I can execute things as 'sudo' such as 'sudo apt-get update' [00:27] and I can run kdesudo kate with no problems...this is a big problem [00:27] maybe you did chown lic.so.6 to some normal user ;p [00:27] but root overturns everything [00:27] Linkmaster: then it's the su thing; 'su' doesn't change environment variables; use 'su -' instead [00:28] Its like...the Ace card in the game of spades [00:28] Care to explain that szal? [00:28] su should not make libc disappear [00:28] everytime i try to install anything i get the same error, can someone take a look at it? http://pastebin.com/etL9X0z6 [00:28] I left su, did those tests, and went back in and I can now use regular commands [00:29] Linkmaster: if you 'su' to another user, all commands are executed assuming your environment variables; if you 'su -' to another user, commands are executed with the other user's environment variables [00:29] "sudo apt-get instlal libc-bin" [00:30] install even [00:30] Its the newest version [00:30] Linkmaster: just try it -> 'exit', then 'sudo su - username' [00:30] okay [00:31] nothing happened...I'm still at a regular user prompt [00:31] Linkmaster: the question is, does it still report missing libraries? [00:31] it needs to be a different user [00:32] yes, of course, everything else wouldn't make sense, even without the dash [00:32] heh, I really missed those English locales :] [00:32] I believe it freaked when I punched in 'export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 [00:32] well don't do that... [00:32] !nvidia [00:32] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [00:32] there is a feature I need to turn off in kde but I dont know the name of it. can someone help me? the feature is when you drag a window just past the top of the screen this border appears around the edge of the screen and if you drop the window while the border is in place the window is full screened. [00:32] I'm trying to install a game, and thats what the intallation instructions say...I was sketchy about it myself [00:33] yes, not a good idea [00:33] Should I attempt to install without the kernel assumption? [00:33] Linkmaster: unless you're running a 2.2.x kernel, it's bad [00:33] and if you are running a 2.2.x kernel, it's really bad [00:34] I'm thinking the much newer kernel contains everything the older one needs [00:34] and if this game was made during 2.2.x days, it's ancient [00:34] Yeah, 2003 [00:34] no, even older than that [00:34] 2.2 was long, long, long, long, long ago [00:34] Ever heard of Neverwinter Nights? [00:36] I'll attempt to install without the assume kernel, and get back to you [00:45] G'luck, Linkmaster ;] [00:45] This is frustrating...I'm mounting the .iso file, but dolphin isn't noticing it [00:45] wait, I lied [00:46] my pain is, on the other hand, the runlevel... [00:47] I cannot figure out where to put it, in order to make my box run in multiuser text by default [00:47] the waar begins.... the people downstairs arre about to not like me :) [00:49] you're playing some good music? :] [00:49] galat: good for me, bad for them... I don't like country music haha [00:49] Greetings, all. :) [00:50] shockrates@ErebusPC:~$ sudo depmod -a [00:50] Bus error [00:50] how do i fix that/ [00:50] Linkmaster: iirc, you can mount ISOs in Dolphin through the context menu [00:50] xD I don't like country music, either.... [00:51] I'm just being bothered now. I mounted the .iso file, and the shell script isn't accepting it...anyone care to look at what I'm doing? [00:51] http://ldots.org/nwn [00:51] supposedly, the installer will 'just work', and its not for me. I don't know why this is the case. I have the .iso mounted to /mnt/nwn [00:51] Do they actually have to be CD's for this to work? [00:52] Linkmaster: I did that a long time ago... does it not just work from the CD? [00:52] the system has no notion of if it's a physical CD or not [00:52] except for "raw" (audio CDs) [00:52] Hm...I'll burn the .iso's onto CD's then [00:52] Wait, according to tsimpson I can avoid this [00:52] Linkmaster: no, you shouldn't have to [00:53] Do I just change the mount point then? [00:53] Or do I edit the .sh file to look for /mnt/nwn ? [00:53] Linkmaster: are you getting an error? [00:53] ... I need to get a DVD/RW drive. [00:53] Nothing happens [00:53] hi how i can with 11.04 enter in compiz settings explain in simple word please thn [00:53] All I've got is a DVD/ROM drive. :/ [00:53] No errors, it does a tiny little configure, and then leaves [00:54] Linkmaster: you have a script that tries to run the gaame? [00:54] takoski, do you know how to find the System Settings menu? [00:54] not tries and runs it, to install it [00:54] no [00:54] What game, Linkmaster? [00:54] Neverwinter Nights [00:54] http://www.icculus.org/~ravage/nwn/ [00:54] Sweet. :) [00:54] Thats where the script came from [00:54] Anyway.... [00:54] linkword2 no [00:55] takoski: click on the applications menu. [00:55] Linkmaster: that's a fine game indeed :] [00:55] ok [00:55] Which is why I'm trying so hard to make it work >:l [00:55] Oh, screw this! [00:55] SIR_Taco: what's your poison? :] (your choice of music) [00:55] after [00:56] I think I'll just install wine...though it would've been nice to have it work natively on Linux. I've managed to get 8 months w/o wine [00:57] galat: It would be alternative rock I suppose... Finger Eleven would be my favourite, but I like a mix of others too [00:57] Linkmaster: it will be easier with wine lol [00:57] * Linkmaster gives SIR_Taco kudos [00:57] I'm considering torrent downloading Finger Eleven's discography. [00:57] I don't care about easy, I'm proud to have a linux machine; I don't need wine clouding it up [00:58] xD [00:58] LINKSWORD2: excellent band [00:58] they are inded [00:58] *indeed [00:58] * galat has to check for the songs... [00:58] I've got a couple of their songs, but I think I should get complete albums. [00:59] 1) wine is not windows < W.I.N.E, 2) you of course already own anything copyrighted you torrent..., 3) offtopic chat in #kubuntu-offtopic please :) [00:59] LINKSWORD2: I haven't found one I don't like, but they're getting softer.... one of my favourite (still together bands) [01:00] hmm... nice sounding voice :] [01:00] SIR_Taco: What do you think of Saving Abel? [01:01] They also were called the "Rainbow Butt Monkeys"... they changed their names for obvious reasons :P [01:01] lmao [01:01] please move chatter to #kubuntu-offtopic [01:01] Linkmaster: how about running wine for games? [01:01] tsimpson: kk, sorry for that. [01:01] I play linux-native games only [01:02] LINKSWORD2: yes, also good [01:02] galat: LINKSWORD2: SIR_Taco: get in #kubuntu-offtopic so we can discuss this [01:02] yep, sorry... got off on a tangent [01:02] Can I slap somebody? [01:03] now back to annoying my annoying neighbours (who run Kubuntu? lol) [01:05] Anyhow, here's another in-topic question for you ;] [01:06] galat: shoot [01:07] How is that, I cannot connect to IRC in no way at all (here I am running irc on friend's shell) [01:07] I am behind a hardware firewall, okay, but ports are forwarded alright [01:08] Besides, if it was for the port forwarding/blocking sake, then the http protocol is not forwarded in that HW firewall [01:08] neither is ssh [01:08] just cannot figure it out ;/ [01:09] usually you don't need to forward ports for IRC [01:09] so you haave http and ssh? but no irc? [01:09] SIR_Taco: yup [01:10] tsimpson: that's what I thought up to... yestedday, when I hit the wall with my own face ;} [01:10] lol [01:10] That's gotta hurt. [01:10] galat: you have port 194 open? [01:10] Anyhow, back to the techie topic, any ideas? [01:10] outbound connections don't require port forwarding, they traverse NAT [01:11] hmm, checking... [01:11] 194? No... what's that for? [01:11] is that not for IRC? maybe I'm mistaken [01:12] don't trust everything in /etc/services [01:12] I thought 113 - identd... but here I have my identd installed as deamon and port forwarded ... and I have no clue what else could that be ;/ [01:13] can you telnet into IRC? [01:13] hmm... [01:13] gonna check... [01:13] "telnet irc.freenode.net 6667" [01:14] you should see some messages if it works, if not then something is blocking your outbound connection, possibly firewall or network/ISP being dumb [01:15] it processes my connection now... [01:16] if you can telnet in, then I guess check the setting in your client [01:16] ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out) [01:16] :o [01:16] lol [01:16] that's just because you didn't login [01:16] you still got messages from the server, proving you can connect to IRC [01:17] tsimpson: I couldn't login. [01:17] I only got those 4 server notices... [01:17] of course you couldn't, you don't know the IRC protocol like us 1337 people [01:17] *Facepalm* [01:17] but the proof is that you can connect to the server, and communicate with it [01:17] so it's something in your IRC software that's not working [01:18] like... [01:18] in my irssi? [01:18] like wrong setting [01:18] or some proxy setting gone wrong [01:18] hmm... [01:18] tsimpson: I feel like you should be slapped for saying 1337... [01:18] LINKSWORD2: I only use it ironically :) [01:20] Hmmmm.... [01:20] I checked through irssi... [01:20] It goes through. [01:21] i have two monitors, is there anyway to get the bar on the left side of ubuntu 11.04 to be on the left side of my second monitor(which i use as my main monitor) instead of the first monitor? [01:21] Must be the irc-server is blocking connection. [01:21] Anyway, thanks tsimpson - that explained A LOT :] [01:21] :) [01:36] K... [01:36] Good night ppl :] [01:36] 'Night [01:46] i have two monitors, is there anyway to get the bar on the left side of ubuntu 11.04 to be on the left side of my second monitor(which i use as my main monitor) instead of the first monitor? [02:05] lemons: Perhaps I can help you, but I might need a little better of an explanation. [02:08] Same here [02:08] lemons, what exactly is the "bar on the left"? and are you using KDE? [02:12] No response... :/ [02:22] What a disappointment.... :/ [02:22] happens too often [02:24] Shame. [02:27] LINKSWORD2: you left -offtopic [02:28] Linkmaster: no response expected since he decided to leave 10 mins before you answered [02:28] szal: wrong Link? [02:28] guys, ordinary 10.04 install, amarok and dragon player don't play things [02:28] sorry they aren't playing from discs [02:28] audio CDs & DVDs [02:28] fenugreek: you installed the restricted extras? [02:28] Oh [02:28] pretty sure, I got that popup with the checkboxes [02:28] sounds like medibuntu perhaps? [02:29] medibuntu? [02:29] LINKSWORD2: help him with that, I forgot how to do it, since I've only done it once [02:29] ... Yeah, right. I've never done that. [02:30] Well [02:30] hold on one second then [02:30] it seems fairly regularly, this is the second install I've done that's had this issue with Amarok, though dragon player worked on the other one... (perhaps because I attempted but failed to switch it to use VLC by default for DVD playback) [02:30] seems to happen fairly regularly* [02:30] fenugreek, so I take it the disks play on other sofwares? [02:31] hum, apt-get says kubuntu-restricted-extras isn't installed... [02:31] KimLaroux, maybe this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs [02:31] Linkmaster: yeah, right [02:31] Then install that, and I'll find the link for medibuntu [02:31] what's medibuntu? [02:31] a bunch of useful things [02:32] useful things? Who needs'm! [02:32] True, very true [02:32] oops meant for fenugreek [02:32] it's far out using desktop effects with this ancient nvidia AGP card [02:33] * Linkmaster is confused...the medibuntu forum was deleted by the SQL corruption. hrm [02:33] wildgoose: something must've gone wrong with the checkbox popup at the beginning, the restricted-extras packages doesn't seem installed, gonna see if just installing that fixes it [02:33] Interresting, I have a fresh install and I don't have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed... but still everything works. [02:33] KimLaroux: well that isn't boosting my confidence [02:34] lol, checking the description of the package, I probably just installed all of those things manually, that's why [02:34] no apparent effect installing kubuntu-restricted-extras [02:35] restarted amarok? [02:35] inserting and opening in amarok or dragon player an audio CD or DVD respectively does nothing [02:35] yeah it wasn't running [02:35] Are those disks encrypted? [02:36] fenugreek, Try my link [02:36] Ah, yes, I was gonna paste that exact link... [02:36] I will, but that likely won't do anything for audio CDs & amarok, right? [02:37] I would try it before saying that [02:38] I'm starting to question 10.04.2 [02:38] didn't have these issues with 10.04 installs [02:39] I was on 11.04 last week, I formated and installed 10.04... I'm not upgrading till the next LTS [02:39] mmm [02:40] everyone has their own experiences [02:40] I guess [02:40] fenugreek: I started with 10.10 and upgraded to 11.04, and everything here seems to be going fine. [02:40] that seems a little drastic [02:40] No, it's not. [02:41] what's drastic? [02:41] 10.10 is the most recent precursor to 11.04, so the upgrade process is relatively seamless. [02:41] LINKSWORD2: yes, but the .10 series is considered unstable.., [02:41] for just getting dragon player and amarok to work? [02:42] fenugreek, no, not at all [02:42] it's just one command that opens up proprietary stuff [02:42] what is? [02:42] this :: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh [02:42] wow... I think I missed a huge discussion lol [02:42] yes I've done that [02:43] and? it didn't work? [02:43] nope [02:43] let me find commandline mplayer, can rule out hardware insanity [02:43] and restarted? [02:43] restarted? What is this Windows? [02:43] I was gonna say reboot [02:43] "May require reboot" [02:43] not doing either [02:43] yes, it sounds windows-like... but you just installed a bunch of stuff [02:43] fenugreek: you're not using Windows?! [02:43] :) [02:43] SIR_Taco: =P [02:44] fenu did you read the page? [02:44] 'may require a reboot' means someone who doesn't know wrote that [02:44] actually, it says "Rebooting may be necessary." [02:45] 'Rebooting may be necessary.' means someone who doesn't know wrote that [02:45] lol [02:45] and I suppose you know better =P [02:45] and it still wouldn't explain amarok not working === lera[sleep] is now known as lera [02:45] gonna see what mplayer dvd:// does [02:46] Often it's easier to re-boot than to shutdown and restart all the dependant services [02:46] and then cdda:// [02:46] for what? [02:46] I've never rebooted for software installating short of kernel reconfiguring on Linux in my life [02:46] don't tell me KDE makes you do that [02:47] okay now we're getting somewhere [02:47] no /dev/dvd [02:47] fenugreek: no, it's often kernel, driver, boot, and/or network related.... but still don't know what your problem is haha [02:47] what do I need to do to make it work with sr0? [02:48] how in the world do you use wine? [02:48] Linkmaster: to accomplish what? [02:48] you don't, it'S evil [02:48] LMAO! [02:49] I'd rather not use wine, but I need to install a game so that I can transfer the files over to my native linux installation [02:49] Linkmaster: you type "wine something.exe" [02:49] NWN [02:49] ah, thank you [02:49] fenugreek, when you insert a disk... does dmesg comment about it? === ache is now known as ordiPC [02:49] Linkmaster: which files? They should be on the install media, just mount -o loop [02:49] :/ [02:49] KimLaroux: everything works fine if I manually specify that my device is /dev/sr0 [02:49] it seems /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom are MIA [02:49] I burned them to a disk, and used 'apt-get install wine' to put wine on my computer for the first tiem [02:49] You don't use WINE, you drink wine. :) [02:50] Hehe. [02:50] Linkmaster: your "windows" system is under .wine/drive_c/ in your home directory [02:50] fenugreek, in amarok? I didn't even know there was a place in Amarok to specify a directory... it's all autodetect usually [02:50] Yeah, I figured that out [02:50] KimLaroux: no, usually it says "hey /dev/cdrom, where is the device?" [02:50] but I don't have /dev/cdrom, it seems [02:50] okay I do have it, but it's not working [02:51] no /dev/dvd at all, though, dvd1 [02:51] okay, looks like I have /dev/cdrom1 and /dev/dvd1 instead of sane names [02:52] argh, rebooting again... everyone figure out their problems before I get back :) [02:52] haven't used a computer with more than one optical drive in ages [02:52] I s'pose that's the root of the problem [02:52] might not help [02:53] but I don't see how that can prevent Amarok/KDE from auto-detecting disks [02:53] * fenugreek shrugs [02:53] it is [02:53] and I'm betting if I had an ordinary /dev/cdrom and dvd they'd be happy as clams [02:54] (which are of course very happy creatures) [02:54] I'm betting that if you reboot it'll be working XD [02:54] already rebooted [02:54] really? oh, ok [02:54] ...for a kernel upgrade =P [02:54] Gah! [02:55] I thought everything was going to be fine..... after I rebooted? [02:55] lol [02:57] guess I'll check the BIOS for insanity [02:57] Still.... no one has explained to me what's going on... so I can be lazy I guess :) [02:57] thanks, brb =P [02:57] about time [02:58] how to activate the firewall in kubuntu 11.04 [02:58] dineshnn_: a firewall is already active... if you want to tweak it, there are programs to do that [02:59] there is? I always wondered if there was one [02:59] how to find that it is activated or not? [02:59] SIR_Taco can you guide me [03:01] dineshnn_, If you want simple try gufw [03:01] wildgoose: can you guide me how to do that [03:02] i am new to kubuntu [03:02] dineshnn_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gufw [03:02] fwbuilder is good [03:04]