[01:13] <GridCube> I for one vote NO to midori until a bookmark bar is available
[01:42] <charlie-tca> GridCube: preferences -> sidebar
[01:43] <charlie-tca> turns on bookmarks on the left side
[01:43] <charlie-tca> and then, if you want, Preferences -> extensions, bookmarks
[01:43] <charlie-tca> adds a start to the taskbar to turn bookmarks on and off
[01:43] <charlie-tca> oops
[01:44] <charlie-tca> menu -> sidebar
[01:44] <charlie-tca> turns bookmarks on
[01:46] <GridCube> but sidebar is really anoying :/
[01:52] <charlie-tca> but it is bookmarks
[01:53] <charlie-tca> From #xubuntu on June 25:
[01:53] <charlie-tca> gNewPower | It is so wonderful to be back to a well designed, rational, desktop manager, file manager, setting application ,etc. Xubuntu is pure joy for me   
[01:58] <GridCube> :D
[01:58] <GridCube> nice
[01:58] <GridCube> also trying the last greybird, whit tiny arrows, it is awesome, a lot moew awesome than whitout arrows
[02:06] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I been using it too. Not sure the tiny arrows won't become a point of contention, since users might not even see them, but time will tell.
[02:06] <charlie-tca> At least now firefox is happy with the scrollbars, which are really neat!
[02:08] <GridCube> :D but if there where no arrows then even more people would come saying "Since installing x i've lost the arrows on my windows why?" but now we can tell them, they are there bro
[02:12] <charlie-tca> yes, true. Also, firefox doesn't like not having arrows
[02:12] <GridCube> yes, ochosi said so, neither does libreoffice
[02:13] <charlie-tca> yup
[02:13] <charlie-tca> We shall see what happens with it. 
[02:14] <GridCube> :D
[12:39] <mr_pouit> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/oneiric-changes/2011-June/003569.html maybe we could go back to file-roller then
[14:06] <charlie-tca> file-roller in Oneiric recommends gvfs, which should be okay
[15:37] <spongedaddy> hello all
[15:37] <spongedaddy> in the last meeting there was mention of a need to work on xubuntu documentation.
[15:38] <spongedaddy> is there still such a need?
[15:50] <spongedaddy> i'd be happy to devote a couple of hours a week to it.
[16:09] <charlie-tca> yes, there is
[16:09] <charlie-tca> We need to update the areas of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu to match our current release and applications
[16:10] <charlie-tca> We also need to insure our documentation included in the release matches 
[16:10] <charlie-tca> spongedaddy: do you know how to edit the wiki?
[16:13] <spongedaddy> not yet :)
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Good time to learn?
[16:13] <spongedaddy> seems to be
[16:14] <charlie-tca> We use mallard for the documentation, outside the wiki
[16:15] <spongedaddy> ok -- i guess i need to look that up
[16:15] <charlie-tca> It is pretty much just editing the pages, and the help in the wiki is good
[16:16] <charlie-tca> both https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing and
[16:16] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax 
[16:17] <charlie-tca> are good resources for it. It doesn't take too much of a learning curve for this. and, all changes can be reverted. Everything is backed up every change.
[16:19] <charlie-tca> I can actually revert 90 days ago or more if need be.
[16:19] <charlie-tca> The current release is Natty Narwhal, 11.04
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Our development release is Oneiric Ocelot, and these change every six months
[16:20] <charlie-tca> wiki.ubuntu.com is the developers wiki, it is not usually pointed to for users
[16:21]  * charlie-tca finally got weechat to show "away" nicks in the nicklist
[16:22] <spongedaddy> ok - good - thanks
[16:22] <spongedaddy> will have a look at those links
[16:24] <spongedaddy> i'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu 
[16:24] <spongedaddy> anything specific that needs attention?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Any references to the end of life releases needs fixing.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I haven't looked at most of the pages in a while, myself
[16:26] <charlie-tca> xfce is now 4.8, if anything mentions it
[16:27] <micahg> charlie-tca: just reminding you again, I probably will not be at the meeting tomorrow
[16:28] <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahg 
[16:28] <charlie-tca> any updates to development, firefox, or thunderbird to mention?
[16:28] <micahg> Thunderbird 5 final will probably hit oneiric soon
[16:32] <charlie-tca> spongedaddy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/Wiki
[16:35] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/Wiki/ToDo
[16:35] <charlie-tca> I think are both out of date, too
[16:38] <spongedaddy> ok -- i'll take a look at the ToDo list 
[16:39] <spongedaddy> and see if there are any that are doc-centric 
[16:40] <charlie-tca> That should be the docs todo list, actually
[16:46] <spongedaddy> ok -- poking around now -- thanks!
[16:47] <pleia2> this conversation reminded me to get the email out about more content review for the actual site ;)
[16:52] <charlie-tca> spongedaddy: more docs at the website needing to be looked at:
[16:53] <charlie-tca> http://xubuntu.org
[16:53] <charlie-tca> we need to look at all the pages and update them. We do those updates by writing the page and asking pleia2 where to put it to have it updated.
[16:54] <pleia2> my email about it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-June/007840.html
[16:55] <spongedaddy> ok -- i'm game
[16:56] <charlie-tca> Kind of an evolving process, huh?
[16:56] <spongedaddy> however, i may need a hint knowing what is 'accurate' and 'complete' 
[16:57] <spongedaddy> yes - documentation and processes, like software, are always evolving :)
[16:57] <charlie-tca> We will try to answer when we can
[16:58] <spongedaddy> groovy
[16:58] <charlie-tca> accurate meaning doesn't include old applications, old releases, references that have been deleted
[16:59] <charlie-tca> complete being includes current releases, applications we now use, and actual details where needed for an explanation
[16:59] <spongedaddy> so everything should be current re Natty, correct?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Sometimes we get in a hurry, and don't actually tell the reader anything
[16:59] <charlie-tca> yes, natty
[16:59] <charlie-tca> unless referring to lts, and then it is lucid
[17:14] <spongedaddy> so i guess i need to register with launchpad to get started editing
[17:59] <Unit193> Is there already/going to be an installed programs list?