[00:18] <unitysucks> hello
[00:18] <unitysucks> i hate unity , but i love ibintu , could i get gnome 2 on ubuntu 11.04
[00:29] <Omega> unitysucks: that's unfortunate, but this is not a support channel, try #ubuntu
[00:31] <chewyTree> Omega, Are you able to set this as a wishlist item for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/779088
[00:33] <Omega> No, but I did add ayatana design to the bug, so they can look at it.
[00:34] <chewyTree> Omega, Ok thanks.  What do you recommend i set as the status, opinion?
[00:34] <Omega> Did you report the bug?
[00:35] <Omega> (If you did, you shouldn't change it)
[00:36] <chewyTree> no i didnt, just caught my eye
[00:38] <chewyTree> Omega, Ill just set it to opinion, and then when someone comes on later ill ask for the importance to be set to wishlist
[00:39] <chewyTree> Omega, Thanks for the help though.
[01:39] <wes000000> how do i use bazaar?
[08:23] <andyrock> morning people!
[08:29] <thumper> hi andyrock
[08:29] <andyrock> thumper, hey
[08:30] <thumper> andyrock: sprinting this week, so I'll be in your TZ for a change
[08:30] <andyrock> thumper, dublin right?
[08:31] <thumper> yep
[08:31] <thumper> I'm just closing up for now, back in approx 90 minutes - morning plenaries and all
[08:32] <andyrock> thumper, i miss UDS environment! :)
[09:48] <andyrock> bye bye... i'have to go! (school exam)
[11:40] <mgedmin> indicator-datetime-preferences fails to start because of some unspecified dbus timeout; is there something I can do to file a useful bug?
[11:40] <mgedmin> "(indicator-datetime-preferences:17172): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."
[11:41] <mgedmin> apparently I already have a copy of indicator-datetime-preferences, started 15 minutes ago, which is not showing any windows or doing anything
[11:42] <mgedmin> strace tells me it's blocked on a futex
[11:42] <mgedmin> killing it works and lets new indicator-datetime-preferences processes start up
[11:44]  * mgedmin can't reproduce, gives up trying to make unity better, at least for today
[13:03] <Gigatroll> How can I delete Unity?
[13:03] <Gigatroll> I hate it
[13:04] <andyrock> Gigatroll, don't like it? just don't use it
[13:05] <cdbs> Gigatroll: Your nick ends with "troll" so we took your statement as a troll attempt :D
[13:05] <cdbs> andyrock: Use gnome-panel (select gnome classic session), or use gnome-shell from the gnome3-team PPA
[13:06] <cdbs> andyrock: use kde by installing kubuntu-desktop, use xfce by installing xubuntu-desktop or use lxde by installing lubuntu-desktop. With ubuntu you have a ton of choices, just pick one
[13:06] <Gigatroll> cdbs: Thanks
[13:06] <cdbs> Gigatroll: what do you hate in Unity? Could you please elaborate?
[13:07] <Gigatroll> I can't find my apps, the dock gets in the way, i can't find the admin or preferences menu
[13:08] <Gigatroll> and it doesn't seem to respect my metacity tweak to have the window icons on the right
[13:08] <cdbs> Gigatroll: you have System Settings in the shutdown menu
[13:08] <Gigatroll> ah ok, I see... but why are they there?
[13:08] <cdbs> Gigatroll: finding apps is easier with the applications lense, I find it faster to find apps, it just needs a bit of getting used to
[13:08] <Gigatroll> so I need to type?
[13:09] <andyrock> cdbs, i don't hate unity... i am helping with bitesize and backlog bugs!
[13:09] <andyrock> ;)
[13:09] <cdbs> andyrock: oops, mistake, blame the inability to multitask in the human brain :)
[13:10] <cdbs> andyrock: do a /whois of me and you'll understand how I know you and how you know me :)
[13:10] <andyrock> andyrock, i know you! Bilal (i don't know if it is the right way to write it!)
[13:11] <cdbs> andyrock: now you've made a mistake by mentioning yourselves
[13:12] <cdbs> Gigatroll: yeah, you need to type
[13:12] <cdbs> Gigatroll: but its faster than nudging through menus
[13:12] <cdbs> MUCH faster
[13:12] <cdbs> and lesser irritating
[13:12] <cdbs> Gigatroll: all I do is hit the super key, type the first few letters of the name and press enter
[13:12] <andyrock> cdbs, ops... i have just finished an exam!
[13:13] <cdbs> Gigatroll: no need to get to the mouse and back on the keyboard. Everything can be done with the keyboard
[13:13] <cdbs> Gigatroll: and if you like to do things with the mouse, well, right-click the applications lense icon and select a category to be listed with apps
[13:22] <Gigatroll> cdbs: It misses one key usecase though
[13:22] <Gigatroll> A pretty important one in my view
[13:22] <cdbs> which is?
[13:22] <Gigatroll> What if I simply wanted to see what was installed?
[13:23] <Gigatroll> Now I know I could probably do this using the software centre but what if I was new to Ubuntu?
[13:23] <cdbs> Gigatroll: click on the applications lense icon, click "Show all" next to "installed applications" and there you have it, a grid of icons (not like iOS' , though) which contains icons of all applications
[13:24] <Gigatroll> Ok
[13:24] <Gigatroll> Well this is good to know
[13:24] <Gigatroll> I've been using Ubuntu for 5 years now and I felt out of my depth
[13:25] <cdbs> Gigatroll: Dig in deep, spend some time with things, and you'll like it a lot. I hate people who say no on the first impression
[13:25] <cdbs> Gigatroll: I agree unity doesn't give a very good impressing in the beginning, but once you get used to it, you won't leave it
[13:25] <Gigatroll> mmm but it did feel like a big change with very little warning
[13:25] <cdbs> give it a week's time, and you'll find yourself pressing super+number keys in windows :D
[13:26] <Gigatroll> yes that's true, people are saying they should've "introduced" it better
[13:26] <cdbs> Change is inevitable
[13:27] <cdbs> 10 years ago computers were a luxury, now they're a necessity
[13:27] <cdbs> you need to be able to do things faster
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[13:28] <Gigatroll> Well I'll have to give it another go tomorrow then
[13:45] <lucazade> hi! quick question: will applet-indicators work with new gnome-panel based on gtk3?
[13:46] <cdbs> lucazade: They might work one day, but not right now
[13:47] <cdbs> lucazade: And I don't think that making them work with it, is an aim for oneiric
[13:47] <cdbs> gotta go
[13:47] <lucazade> cdbs: thanks for info..
[14:48] <jo-erlend> when I used super+num to switch an application on another workspace, it used to focus that workspace. That no longer happens here. Is that by design?
[17:47] <TheMuso> Kaleo: I'm just building your unity s3 a11y snapshot on Oneiric, and will test tomorrow morning or tonight if I get a chance, hoewver I would like to talk to you about the launcher, and a few things I'd like to do to convey the state of launcher icons textually.