[00:18] hello [00:18] i hate unity , but i love ibintu , could i get gnome 2 on ubuntu 11.04 [00:29] unitysucks: that's unfortunate, but this is not a support channel, try #ubuntu [00:31] Omega, Are you able to set this as a wishlist item for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/779088 [00:31] Ubuntu bug 779088 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity's top panel's size" [Undecided,New] [00:33] No, but I did add ayatana design to the bug, so they can look at it. [00:34] Omega, Ok thanks. What do you recommend i set as the status, opinion? [00:34] Did you report the bug? [00:35] (If you did, you shouldn't change it) [00:36] no i didnt, just caught my eye [00:38] Omega, Ill just set it to opinion, and then when someone comes on later ill ask for the importance to be set to wishlist [00:39] Omega, Thanks for the help though. === bschaefer_ is now known as bschaefer [01:39] how do i use bazaar? [08:23] morning people! [08:29] hi andyrock [08:29] thumper, hey [08:30] andyrock: sprinting this week, so I'll be in your TZ for a change [08:30] thumper, dublin right? [08:31] yep [08:31] I'm just closing up for now, back in approx 90 minutes - morning plenaries and all [08:32] thumper, i miss UDS environment! :) [09:48] bye bye... i'have to go! (school exam) === daker_ is now known as daker [11:40] indicator-datetime-preferences fails to start because of some unspecified dbus timeout; is there something I can do to file a useful bug? [11:40] "(indicator-datetime-preferences:17172): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." [11:41] apparently I already have a copy of indicator-datetime-preferences, started 15 minutes ago, which is not showing any windows or doing anything [11:42] strace tells me it's blocked on a futex [11:42] killing it works and lets new indicator-datetime-preferences processes start up [11:44] * mgedmin can't reproduce, gives up trying to make unity better, at least for today === clarita_ is now known as clarita [13:03] How can I delete Unity? [13:03] I hate it [13:04] Gigatroll, don't like it? just don't use it [13:05] Gigatroll: Your nick ends with "troll" so we took your statement as a troll attempt :D [13:05] andyrock: Use gnome-panel (select gnome classic session), or use gnome-shell from the gnome3-team PPA [13:06] andyrock: use kde by installing kubuntu-desktop, use xfce by installing xubuntu-desktop or use lxde by installing lubuntu-desktop. With ubuntu you have a ton of choices, just pick one [13:06] cdbs: Thanks [13:06] Gigatroll: what do you hate in Unity? Could you please elaborate? [13:07] I can't find my apps, the dock gets in the way, i can't find the admin or preferences menu [13:08] and it doesn't seem to respect my metacity tweak to have the window icons on the right [13:08] Gigatroll: you have System Settings in the shutdown menu [13:08] ah ok, I see... but why are they there? [13:08] Gigatroll: finding apps is easier with the applications lense, I find it faster to find apps, it just needs a bit of getting used to [13:08] so I need to type? [13:09] cdbs, i don't hate unity... i am helping with bitesize and backlog bugs! [13:09] ;) [13:09] andyrock: oops, mistake, blame the inability to multitask in the human brain :) [13:10] andyrock: do a /whois of me and you'll understand how I know you and how you know me :) [13:10] andyrock, i know you! Bilal (i don't know if it is the right way to write it!) [13:11] andyrock: now you've made a mistake by mentioning yourselves [13:12] Gigatroll: yeah, you need to type [13:12] Gigatroll: but its faster than nudging through menus [13:12] MUCH faster [13:12] and lesser irritating [13:12] Gigatroll: all I do is hit the super key, type the first few letters of the name and press enter [13:12] cdbs, ops... i have just finished an exam! [13:13] Gigatroll: no need to get to the mouse and back on the keyboard. Everything can be done with the keyboard [13:13] Gigatroll: and if you like to do things with the mouse, well, right-click the applications lense icon and select a category to be listed with apps [13:22] cdbs: It misses one key usecase though [13:22] A pretty important one in my view [13:22] which is? [13:22] What if I simply wanted to see what was installed? [13:23] Now I know I could probably do this using the software centre but what if I was new to Ubuntu? [13:23] Gigatroll: click on the applications lense icon, click "Show all" next to "installed applications" and there you have it, a grid of icons (not like iOS' , though) which contains icons of all applications [13:24] Ok [13:24] Well this is good to know [13:24] I've been using Ubuntu for 5 years now and I felt out of my depth [13:25] Gigatroll: Dig in deep, spend some time with things, and you'll like it a lot. I hate people who say no on the first impression [13:25] Gigatroll: I agree unity doesn't give a very good impressing in the beginning, but once you get used to it, you won't leave it [13:25] mmm but it did feel like a big change with very little warning [13:25] give it a week's time, and you'll find yourself pressing super+number keys in windows :D [13:26] yes that's true, people are saying they should've "introduced" it better [13:26] Change is inevitable [13:27] 10 years ago computers were a luxury, now they're a necessity [13:27] you need to be able to do things faster [13:27] [13:28] Well I'll have to give it another go tomorrow then [13:45] hi! quick question: will applet-indicators work with new gnome-panel based on gtk3? [13:46] lucazade: They might work one day, but not right now [13:47] lucazade: And I don't think that making them work with it, is an aim for oneiric [13:47] gotta go [13:47] cdbs: thanks for info.. === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === kklimonda^ is now known as kklimonda === kklimonda is now known as Guest43465 === Guest43465 is now known as kklimonda^ === kklimonda^ is now known as kklimonda [14:48] when I used super+num to switch an application on another workspace, it used to focus that workspace. That no longer happens here. Is that by design? === kancerman__ is now known as kancerman [17:47] Kaleo: I'm just building your unity s3 a11y snapshot on Oneiric, and will test tomorrow morning or tonight if I get a chance, hoewver I would like to talk to you about the launcher, and a few things I'd like to do to convey the state of launcher icons textually. === JasonOO is now known as JasonO === yofel_ is now known as yofel === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away