| lifeless | dynamic port allocation \o/ | 02:55 |
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| nigelb | lifeless: You aren't in Dublin? | 03:21 |
| lifeless | nope | 03:23 |
| nigelb | Ah. | 03:24 |
| lifeless | grah | 04:18 |
| lifeless | and it has no setup.py etc | 04:19 |
| lifeless | I think I'll extract code from LP | 04:19 |
| nigelb | lifeless: any specific reason you picked web.py? | 06:49 |
| lifeless | it wasn't zope, it wasn't django, and it is in lucid | 06:50 |
| nigelb | heh | 06:51 |
| nigelb | I meant among the other microframeworks | 06:51 |
| lifeless | so do I | 06:51 |
| nigelb | ah, in lucid. | 06:51 |
| lifeless | another option would be pastedeploy | 06:51 |
| lifeless | but its possibly so minimal as to not be a framework anymore | 06:52 |
| nigelb | Never heard of it. ::looks:: | 06:52 |
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| bac | lifeless: ping | 09:36 |
| lifeless | hi bac | 09:37 |
| bac | lifeless: abentley is trying to skype you so you can participate | 09:37 |
| bac | ah, nm, i hear martin connected | 09:38 |
| lifeless | I will irc if I have stuff to interject | 09:38 |
| lifeless | iron stomach, no seasickness | 09:40 |
| lifeless | someone tell them not to fuss to much :) | 09:40 |
| lifeless | I see a long corridor between people at tables | 09:40 |
| jcsackett | lifeless: they seem to be enjoying it; we would hate to stop their fun. | 09:40 |
| StevenK | It's a room! | 09:40 |
| lifeless | hi | 09:40 |
| lifeless | yes I hear you | 09:41 |
| lifeless | 'I can see you alll... muahhahahahahaha' | 09:45 |
| vila | :) | 09:46 |
| jml | lifeless: watching here in case you want to interject. use my nick. | 09:46 |
| lifeless | jml: thanks | 09:46 |
| lifeless | jml: looking at the room is cute; looking at the slides might be better ? | 09:50 |
| jml | lifeless: ok. | 09:50 |
| lifeless | jml: thanks | 09:50 |
| jml | lifeless: np. is that an ok view? (I'm not very close to your laptop) | 09:51 |
| lifeless | its fine | 09:51 |
| jml | cool. | 09:52 |
| lifeless | jml: at a convenient point please note 'if we are willing to spend more time on db patches, we have stakeholder goahead to make db patches go live 24 hours after landing' | 09:57 |
| lifeless | jml: we now have a lot of infrastructure/db work to do to to solve timeouts | 10:03 |
| lifeless | http://boom.cs.berkeley.edu/ is interesting (and totally unrelated to the talk going on :)) | 10:08 |
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| lifeless | jml: whats thing flacoste is saying - I can't make out the noun | 10:17 |
| jml | lifeless: talking about using cloud stuff, incl ensemble, for developing Launchpad | 10:17 |
| lifeless | ah | 10:18 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Any reason we shouldn't deploy today? | 10:19 |
| jml | one thing, not worthy of interjecting, is that anything that makes it harder for new contributors also probably makes it harder for established developers on a day-to-day basis | 10:20 |
| jml | e.g. imagine if we could spin up a build farm with ten machines locally using LXC | 10:20 |
| jml | with one command | 10:20 |
| lifeless | I think for adhoc stuff like that, ensemble may be a wonderful fit | 10:21 |
| jml | yeah, me too | 10:21 |
| StevenK | wgrant: Fixed. | 10:21 |
| wgrant | StevenK: Thankyou sir. | 10:21 |
| wgrant | Now I need to find wallyworld. | 10:21 |
| StevenK | He's behind you! | 10:21 |
| lifeless | jml: for the unit test suite, things like lxc (alone, nevermind layers on top of) seem to be much slower than I would like to aim at | 10:22 |
| jml | lifeless: interesting. | 10:22 |
| jml | lifeless: do you want to watch benji's talk? | 10:25 |
| lifeless | jml: coffeescript? | 10:26 |
| lifeless | no; its pretty cool stuff though. | 10:26 |
| lifeless | but I have stuff I need to go do. | 10:26 |
| jml | lifeless: ok. thanks. | 10:26 |
| lifeless | have a great day guys; I'm signing off. | 10:41 |
| lifeless | bigjools: btw, I think bug 802335 is a side effect of the new packagecopyjob table | 10:46 |
| _mup_ | Bug #802335: DistroSeries:+queue timeouts when filtering by package name <regression> <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/802335 > | 10:46 |
| lifeless | bigjools: I can't talk now, but perhaps we can make 5 minutes tomorrow - *if* it is the new table, I raised the impact it would have on +queue during review - I'd like to drill into how we let this through | 10:47 |
| lifeless | bigjools: (I'm mentioning it now so you aren't surprised when I try to grab you tomorrow to talk about it :)) | 10:47 |
| bigjools | lifeless: jtv changed the query significantly so grab him :) | 10:48 |
| bigjools | but happy to talk if you want | 10:48 |
| Ursinha | danilos: salinas, right? | 10:58 |
| NCommander | StevenK: pinbg where are you? | 12:18 |
| jml | lifeless: if you're around... where are the architecture values that were in your talk? | 12:24 |
| jml | lifeless: never mind. | 12:26 |
| jml | <https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide/ServicesRequirements> is what I was actually looking for | 12:28 |
| jml | since any long poll stuff we do has to comply with all of that. | 12:28 |
| StevenK | NCommander: I am on level 1. What's up? | 12:30 |
| poolie | spiv, danilos, jelmer, jtv, https://dev.launchpad.net/Projects/LiveBranches#preview | 12:31 |
| NCommander | StevenK: infinity found my issue (LP gave a non-helpful error message on a reject) | 12:50 |
| StevenK | NCommander: How unhelpful? | 12:50 |
| NCommander | StevenK: I did an upload to oneiric which was rejected due to a -20 existing in proposed, it complained my tarball was wrong (checksum mismatch) | 12:54 |
| StevenK | NCommander: Right, that isn't unhelpful. :-P | 12:54 |
| LPCIBot | Project devel build #840: FAILURE in 23 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/840/ | 13:35 |
| StevenK | Hmmm | 13:36 |
| * StevenK pokes at Jenkins | 13:36 | |
| StevenK | Ah ha. Gary broke it. | 13:37 |
| LPCIBot | Yippie, build fixed! | 14:03 |
| LPCIBot | Project db-devel build #671: FIXED in 5 hr 51 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/671/ | 14:03 |
| jml | gmb, wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/633629/ | 14:24 |
| jml | bigjools: ^^ | 14:25 |
| jml | storm, transaction, twisted | 14:25 |
| jml | txamqp | 14:25 |
| jml | zope.component, zope.schema, zope.interface, zope.configuration | 14:26 |
| jml | huwshimi: are you near deryck? | 14:34 |
| huwshimi | jml: I think he's about 5 metres away | 14:35 |
| huwshimi | jml: Certainly within throwing distance | 14:35 |
| jml | huwshimi: what about gary? | 14:35 |
| huwshimi | jml: An equal distance away | 14:36 |
| wgrant | Neither is on IRC :( | 14:36 |
| jml | huwshimi: excellent. the build is broken, and gary broke it | 14:36 |
| wgrant | But gary broke devel, somehow.. and it corrupts | 14:36 |
| StevenK | I have landed a revert | 14:36 |
| wgrant | corrupts the setuptools egg. | 14:36 |
| wgrant | buildbot is probably still broken. | 14:37 |
| wgrant | Because its egg is broken. | 14:37 |
| huwshimi | jml: Do you need me to throw something? | 14:37 |
| StevenK | jml: I am sitting next to deryck | 14:37 |
| jml | StevenK: please ask gary to fix it :) | 14:38 |
| StevenK | jml: Both flacoste and gary are working on it right now. | 14:38 |
| jml | sweet. | 14:38 |
| jml | StevenK: thanks. | 14:38 |
| flacoste | jml: we need to remove eggs/setuptools* | 14:39 |
| flacoste | because distribute is evil | 14:39 |
| flacoste | really evil | 14:39 |
| flacoste | most evil force in the universe | 14:40 |
| Ursinha | haha | 14:53 |
| Ursinha | matsubara: do you know if soybean oopses are synced to devpad every 10 minutes or once a day? | 14:54 |
| matsubara | Ursinha, I think it's every hour now for all oopses | 14:55 |
| Ursinha | oh | 14:55 |
| Ursinha | that's bad | 14:55 |
| jml | gmb: dependencies: storm, transaction, twisted, txamqp, zope.component, zope.schema, zope.interface, zope.configuration | 15:06 |
| jml | stub: http://as.ynchrono.us/2007/12/filesystem-structure-of-python-project_21.html (fwiw) | 15:13 |
| jml | bigjools: http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/core/howto/tap.html | 15:19 |
| allenap | wgrant, jml, stub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/633675/ | 15:52 |
| wgrant | allenap: You are a horrible person. | 15:53 |
| allenap | wgrant: Thank you :) | 15:54 |
| StevenK | Haha | 15:54 |
| StevenK | abentley: O hai. | 16:00 |
| abentley | StevenK: Hai. | 16:00 |
| StevenK | abentley: Do you remember what the JS that is loaded after page load on projectseries/+setbranch does? | 16:01 |
| nigelb | Is it known that on the branch page, if I click diff, I see the diff. After that the links are no longer "clickable" | 16:02 |
| abentley | StevenK: Nothing is coming to mind. | 16:02 |
| jml | wgrant: http://www.cs.yale.edu/quotes.html | 16:06 |
| jml | bigjools: http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/core/howto/application.html | 16:26 |
| huwshimi | jcsackett: http://gfxmonk.net/shellshape/ | 16:45 |
| nhandler | Is https://help.launchpad.net/API/SigningRequests outdated? I keep getting an error saying oath is an unsupported authentication method when I attempt to post to /+request-token | 16:47 |
| wgrant | huwshimi: Huh, I know him. | 16:51 |
| wgrant | From uni. | 16:51 |
| huwshimi | wgrant: Oh right | 16:52 |
| wgrant | Oddity. | 16:56 |
| poolie | nhandler: nb it's oauth not oath | 17:01 |
| poolie | they are both authentication mechanisms | 17:01 |
| nhandler | Bleh. Thanks poolie. I really shouldn't code before fully awake :) | 17:03 |
| poolie | not the best naming system in the world | 17:05 |
| jcsackett | bac: do you know if bug 705153 is still valid? it looks to me like the hover over data on subscribers has been removed outright, which might make this [wontfix|fixreleased]. | 17:16 |
| _mup_ | Bug #705153: "Subscribed by" hover is incorrect <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/705153 > | 17:17 |
| bac | jcsackett: you are correct. i've marked it invalid | 17:19 |
| spiv | wgrant: here's some loggerhead code you may like: | 17:48 |
| spiv | def dq(p): | 17:48 |
| spiv | return urllib.quote(urllib.quote(p, safe='')) | 17:48 |
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| wgrant | spiv: Burn | 17:56 |
| * maxb chuckles | 18:02 | |
| nhandler | Any ideas why I get a 'Missing Authenticate Header' client-warning in my script (OOPS-2004STAGING186) ? I have an Authroization header that follows the documentation (I already followed the guide to get a request token and then an access token) | 18:43 |
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| Auree | Hi, I couldn't find it in the documentation, what is the limit for client applications to the Launchpad API? | 19:54 |
| LPCIBot | Project parallel-test build #75: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 19 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/parallel-test/75/ | 20:02 |
| === wgrant changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer: - | Critical bugs: 204 - 0:[######=_]:256 | ||
| LPCIBot | Yippie, build fixed! | 20:47 |
| LPCIBot | Project devel build #841: FIXED in 5 hr 49 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/841/ | 20:47 |
| lifeless | moin | 21:09 |
| stub | yo | 21:10 |
| stub | think most people are at dinner | 21:10 |
| lifeless | cool | 21:10 |
| lifeless | how was the day? | 21:12 |
| stub | Seemed to go ok. Getting some traction on rabbit. | 21:13 |
| stub | Catching up from last week too. | 21:14 |
| stub | Not sure how the other groups fared | 21:14 |
| lifeless | I haven't filed bugs for the fast-downtime stuff yet | 21:15 |
| lifeless | james_w: speaking of which; ping | 21:16 |
| lifeless | stub: I will file a few today and assign to you so you can see them; they don't have to be worked on this week - do stuff with the folk there; (but if you do work on it its pretty exciting stuff :P). | 21:16 |
| timrc | wgrant, lifeless, jcsackett: thank you guys for such a quick turnaround time on our api enablement requests, greatly appreciated | 21:17 |
| james_w | lifeless, hi | 21:28 |
| lifeless | james_w: I don't recall hearing back from linaro on stakeholders about db schema downtime | 21:28 |
| james_w | lifeless, I haven't heard anything, I'll prod, but otherwise we can take it as "silence is agreement" and move ahead | 21:29 |
| lifeless | thanks | 21:29 |
| wgrant | lifeless: You may have seen the rabbit layer land. | 22:49 |
| wgrant | lifeless: We sorted out the failures. | 22:49 |
| lifeless | great | 22:49 |
| lifeless | what were they ? | 22:49 |
| wgrant | And ripped canonical.amqp out of landscape, into lazr.amqp | 22:49 |
| wgrant | Well. | 22:49 |
| wgrant | The problem was the config overlay is just about impossible to remove. | 22:50 |
| wgrant | Since it's written to disk. | 22:50 |
| wgrant | So we just made the layer unteardownable. | 22:50 |
| lifeless | that reminds me, I needed to talk with flacoste about lazr :P | 22:50 |
| wgrant | We didn't want to call it lazr, but it was easiest for now. | 22:50 |
| lifeless | wgrant: what did you want to call it ? | 22:50 |
| wgrant | No ide. | 22:50 |
| wgrant | idea | 22:50 |
| wgrant | Which is why it's lazr. | 22:50 |
| wgrant | It also currently uses the system rabbit for tests :( | 22:51 |
| lifeless | wgrant: unteardown makes me sad; we use config overlays on disk for librarian too, why is that different ? | 22:51 |
| wgrant | But I've ported it mostly to the fixture. | 22:51 |
| lifeless | and db | 22:51 |
| wgrant | lifeless: I don't quite recall. | 22:51 |
| wgrant | lifeless: But the tests want the config overlay to be absent. | 22:51 |
| lifeless | could someone file a bug? low tech-debt | 22:51 |
| wgrant | I suspect the librarian/db tests do not. | 22:52 |
| wgrant | eg. the librarian hiding thing just sets a bogus port. | 22:52 |
| wgrant | Also, how do I make efficient use of a fixture? | 22:52 |
| wgrant | ie. use .reset() between tests? | 22:52 |
| wgrant | Rather than restarting rabbit each time. | 22:52 |
| wgrant | Which is slow. | 22:52 |
| wgrant | (this is in lazr.amqp, so no layer) | 22:53 |
| jml | also | 22:58 |
| jml | stub was saying that zope now has a way to tear down the functional layer | 22:58 |
| wgrant | Yeah. | 22:58 |
| wgrant | We should be able to. | 22:58 |
| wgrant | But lazr.config needs some wrangling before we can do it for everything. | 22:58 |
| jml | if we get rid of that, the new unteardownable thing and wgrant gets his question answered, we could stop using layers | 22:58 |
| wgrant | Yay | 22:58 |
| wgrant | BURN | 22:58 |
| wgrant | etc. | 22:58 |
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| jml | that's three things that are non-trivial before we get to do the thing we actually want to do, which is also non-trivial :) | 22:58 |
| lifeless | jml: there is a zope.testing.functional or something which now has a tearDown | 23:00 |
| lifeless | we need to test using it | 23:00 |
| lifeless | I don't knove if the CA has a teardown yet | 23:00 |
| lifeless | wgrant: .reset() exists for use between tests, yes. | 23:00 |
| jml | you could probably hack one up | 23:00 |
| wgrant | lifeless: But how do I use it? | 23:00 |
| jml | replace globalregistry with a new one | 23:00 |
| jml | wgrant: aye, and therein lies the rub | 23:01 |
| lifeless | wgrant: you use the unwritten testfixtures optimiser code | 23:01 |
| lifeless | wgrant: -or- | 23:01 |
| lifeless | wgrant: and I recommend this, use testresources and write a -very- shallow thunk from a ResourceManager to the fixture. | 23:01 |
| wgrant | Hmm. Perhaps. | 23:02 |
| wgrant | Thanks. | 23:02 |
| jml | if it's run with zope testrunner, that won't help though | 23:02 |
| wgrant | It is the zope testrunner at present :( | 23:03 |
| lifeless | if its run with zope testrunner you can use a layer | 23:03 |
| wgrant | True. | 23:03 |
| wgrant | But it also workswith trial, which I don't reallly want to break. | 23:03 |
| lifeless | when you said foo so no layer, I assumed a good testrunner | 23:03 |
| lifeless | wgrant: choose. | 23:03 |
| wgrant | So there's no cross-runner compatible way to do it? | 23:03 |
| wgrant | Sad. | 23:03 |
| lifeless | wgrant: there is, if you fix zope testrunner to not destroy test suites | 23:03 |
| lifeless | e.g. make it compatible | 23:04 |
| wgrant | lolz | 23:04 |
| lifeless | FWIW, I'd do the following: | 23:04 |
| lifeless | - make testr the primary runner for it (implies trial compat) | 23:04 |
| lifeless | - use testresources | 23:04 |
| lifeless | - profit | 23:04 |
| wgrant | Possibly. | 23:05 |
| lifeless | you can use trial --reporter=subunit | 23:06 |
| wgrant | We're using zope.testrunner now because it was easy with buildout, but I gues we can just use testr with something. | 23:06 |
| wgrant | Aha. | 23:06 |
| wgrant | Handy. | 23:06 |
| lifeless | it doesn't have load-by-id for broken-test-iterations or parallel support | 23:06 |
| wgrant | :( | 23:06 |
| lifeless | but if you use jmls' most excellent twisted support in *testtools* | 23:06 |
| wgrant | Asny suggestions for something better? | 23:06 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 23:06 |
| lifeless | then you're sitting pretty | 23:07 |
| wgrant | I looked at that, but it said it was highly experimental and not to be used. | 23:07 |
| lifeless | lies | 23:07 |
| lifeless | we use it in Launchpad | 23:07 |
| lifeless | its more 'subject to change' | 23:07 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 23:07 |
| lifeless | wgrant: jml: I'm glad you guys are hacking on this. | 23:07 |
| wgrant | "testtools provides highly experimental support for running Twisted tests – tests that return a Deferred and rely on the Twisted reactor. You should not use this feature right now. We reserve the right to change the API and behaviour without telling you first." | 23:08 |
| wgrant | But I guess if you and jml tell me otherwise... | 23:08 |
| lifeless | wgrant: so what does lazr.amqp do? | 23:08 |
| jml | wgrant: we use it consistently in Launchpad | 23:08 |
| lifeless | wgrant: is it landscapes long poll service? | 23:09 |
| lifeless | wgrant: or just glue code? | 23:09 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Mostly a Twisted HTTP server for rabbit-based long-polling, yes. | 23:09 |
| wgrant | It also has a rabbit job runner. | 23:09 |
| lifeless | so, I think the name is totally misleading | 23:09 |
| lifeless | lazr.longpoll perhaps | 23:09 |
| wgrant | Possibly. | 23:09 |
| jml | it's actually more "I don't want people to complain too much if it's broken" | 23:09 |
| wgrant | The name is not really defined. | 23:09 |
| jml | txlongpoll? | 23:10 |
| wgrant | It was canonical.amqp, and Julian JFDI. | 23:10 |
| lifeless | jml: +1 | 23:10 |
| lifeless | jml: that would be so much better | 23:10 |
| jml | lifeless: our main aim is to get something working end-to-end | 23:10 |
| lifeless | sure, cool | 23:10 |
| wgrant | It's not *just* long polling, as it turns out. | 23:10 |
| lifeless | so the reason I asked | 23:10 |
| wgrant | But that's one of its modules. | 23:10 |
| jml | lifeless: I'm very much in favour of a better name, but will only change it if I'm confident that we'll have something demonstrably functional before EOW | 23:11 |
| jml | (of course anyone else can change it) | 23:11 |
| lifeless | so, you've seen ServicesRequirements | 23:12 |
| jml | fwiw, I am pretty confident :) | 23:12 |
| lifeless | I want to highlight a couple of the implications there | 23:12 |
| jml | lifeless: yes, https://dev.launchpad.net/Projects/LongPollNotes links to it | 23:12 |
| lifeless | we shouldn't be importing *any* of the code in this project into LP itself. | 23:12 |
| jml | lifeless: how is that implied? | 23:13 |
| lifeless | https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide/ServicesRequirements#Test fake | 23:13 |
| lifeless | its not mandatory [yet] | 23:13 |
| lifeless | it will be soon | 23:13 |
| jml | ahh good. NTH. | 23:13 |
| lifeless | NTH ? | 23:13 |
| jml | and also something that can be fixed late | 23:13 |
| lifeless | so when I say test fake | 23:14 |
| jml | lifeless: nice-to-have. sorry, it turns up a lot in my notes for things. | 23:14 |
| lifeless | I mean 'live network service that is -fast- to startup, uses dynamic allocated ports and supports error injection | 23:14 |
| lifeless | I specifically do not want in-process fakes | 23:14 |
| lifeless | because they increase coupling and tighten version dependencies | 23:15 |
| jml | lifeless: why do you object to the package having its own client code & test double? | 23:17 |
| lifeless | I want to thoroughly decouple things | 23:18 |
| lifeless | we're going to be deploying entirely separately | 23:19 |
| lifeless | if its physically impossible to do a lockstep change to the client and server | 23:19 |
| lifeless | I think it will really help people avoid such disasterous changes | 23:19 |
| lifeless | it also works better when we rewrite a service to be in a faster language | 23:19 |
| lifeless | and avoids fugly around needing N clients (one for tx, one for python, one for javascript) in the same tree - or alternatively inconsistently blessing one as 'this one is in-tree, the others are not' | 23:20 |
| lifeless | thats the angle for client code | 23:21 |
| lifeless | for test double, I *do* want the service to provide its own test double. | 23:21 |
| mwhudson | lifeless, jml: did you know that the django test runner manages to be EVEN MORE terrible than the zope one? | 23:21 |
| lifeless | I just want that to be an actual network service | 23:21 |
| lifeless | mwhudson: thats quite an achievement | 23:21 |
| jml | mwhudson: no, I didn't. | 23:21 |
| jml | mwhudson: I didn't even know it *had* its own test runner | 23:21 |
| wgrant | Django manages to be pretty terrible. | 23:21 |
| jml | lifeless: you don't mind having multiple language implementations for a protocol in one tree :P | 23:21 |
| wgrant | Without the few redeeming qualities that Zope has. | 23:21 |
| mwhudson | lifeless: it rips apart testsuites in the same way zope's does, and has database management baked into the runner directly | 23:22 |
| jml | eww | 23:22 |
| lifeless | jml: I don't, but its been pretty awkward | 23:23 |
| mwhudson | i may try to convince them this is a bad idea | 23:23 |
| * jml nods | 23:23 | |
| lifeless | jml: and I'm a bottleneck on changes in that project, something I want to structurally avoid for our services | 23:23 |
| jml | lifeless: ok. I think that's fair enough. | 23:23 |
| lifeless | jml: another facet here | 23:24 |
| lifeless | jml: we're aiming for 'crisp, clean and strongly defined layers' | 23:24 |
| jml | lifeless: the main thing *I* want to avoid is perfect defeating good. Would rather work towards correctness from a starting point of functionality than from where we are now. | 23:25 |
| lifeless | jml: anything whose contract is in python is pretty poor at that :) | 23:25 |
| jml | lifeless: good point. | 23:25 |
| lifeless | jml: have you looked at my draft microservice for gpg signature checking ? | 23:25 |
| jml | lifeless: no, but your email about it is flagged for reading | 23:26 |
| lifeless | jml: I don't mind the path taken to reach correctness! I mentioned these things so you know where I want us to aim. | 23:26 |
| jml | lifeless: cool. | 23:26 |
| lifeless | jml: I *do* mind if we try to go live with something without either reaching these things or having and explicit ack from me to waive them in this case. | 23:26 |
| lifeless | jml: the point about importing stuff, is that if the rabbit fixture is moved into this other-server-tree, it becomes unusable by Launchpad | 23:27 |
| jml | multiplying tiny projects :( | 23:28 |
| lifeless | yes | 23:28 |
| lifeless | so we put them all in ~launchpad/+junk | 23:28 |
| lifeless | this is something LP needs to be much better at | 23:28 |
| jml | well, LP doesn't even begin to help you answer the question "how the hell do I land stuff on this project" | 23:28 |
| jml | lifeless: I think the 'not importing' requirement should be made explicit in that doc, btw. | 23:29 |
| lifeless | wgrant: if there is more than long polling in the tree, exercise rm :) | 23:30 |
| wgrant | lifeless: s/rm/split/, I suspect. | 23:30 |
| wgrant | lifeless: We need to analyse tomorrow. | 23:31 |
| lifeless | wgrant: sure | 23:31 |
| lifeless | jml: I will transscribe this discussion in some form today | 23:31 |
| wgrant | I didn't look at the code until I was somewhat impaired. | 23:31 |
| lifeless | jml: after I get my slides ready | 23:31 |
| wgrant | Today was just spent getting it working. | 23:31 |
| jml | lifeless: thanks. | 23:31 |
| lifeless | jml: I am open to negotation on everything, but I think I have a cohesive story with interlocking supports | 23:32 |
| jml | wgrant: and, (I do hate sounding like a broken record here), it's not actually working yet, insofar as it isn't doing what we want. | 23:33 |
| wgrant | jml: Sure. | 23:33 |
| wgrant | Getting it working, not succeeding in that endeavour :) | 23:34 |
| jml | :) | 23:34 |
| jml | I'm off to catch some Zs | 23:42 |
| jml | g'night. | 23:42 |
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