| Wizard | hi | 09:09 |
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| Wizard | what is the ubuntu policy with gnome3? | 09:09 |
| Wizard | will it be included into official repositories? | 09:10 |
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| jpds | Wizard: It already is. | 09:12 |
| Wizard | hmm | 09:14 |
| Wizard | so what is the difference between gnome3-team ppa and official packages? | 09:14 |
| Wizard | ppa replaced alot of packages | 09:15 |
| jpds | gnome3-team is probably more up to date. | 09:15 |
| Wizard | ah, so they shift packages from ppa to main from time to time? | 09:15 |
| jpds | No. | 09:15 |
| jpds | The packages in a release are frozen. | 09:16 |
| Wizard | hmm | 09:16 |
| seb128 | jpds, gnome3 is not newer that oneiric | 09:16 |
| seb128 | Wizard, the ppa was for natty since stayed on 2.32 | 09:16 |
| Wizard | seb128: natty stayed, right? and they provide backports? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | not sure to understand the question | 09:17 |
| seb128 | you can use the gnome3-team ppa to try GNOME3 on natty | 09:17 |
| tkamppeter | jasoncwarner_, hi | 09:17 |
| Wizard | i am | 09:17 |
| seb128 | the ppa is of no use in oneiric since GNOME3 is in oneiric | 09:17 |
| Wizard | great, that's what i wanted to know :) | 09:18 |
| Wizard | where there any considerations of replacing unity by gnome3? | 09:22 |
| Wizard | were* | 09:23 |
| Amaranth | Wizard: hehe, no :) | 09:30 |
| Wizard | too bad ;) | 09:31 |
| ayan | Laney: ping | 12:00 |
| cdbs | didrocks: I've forwarded the patch upstream https://code.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/gedit/unity-quicklist/+merge/63696 | 12:49 |
| cdbs | didrocks: Sorry for the delay, personal stuff came in the way, and when I was done with all of that, my laptop died. I might have to demote 2-3 work items to A3 | 12:50 |
| cdbs | didrocks: Also, what would you say about bug #789867 ? | 13:03 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 789867 in unity "Unity violates freedesktop.org desktop entry spec" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789867 | 13:03 |
| didrocks | cdbs: excellent, thanks a lot! | 13:05 |
| didrocks | cdbs: hum, let me see | 13:05 |
| Laney | hi ayan | 13:06 |
| Laney | it's easier if you say what you want up front, saves time | 13:06 |
| didrocks | cdbs: should not be an issue | 13:07 |
| didrocks | it's valid | 13:07 |
| didrocks | we should fix freedesktop | 13:07 |
| didrocks | going to lunch, brb | 13:07 |
| cdbs | :) | 13:08 |
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| mterry | ronoc, btw, I've found some issues with the gtk3 port of indicator-sound, so I'm working on the fixes | 14:40 |
| ronoc | mterry, ah so am I ! | 14:41 |
| mterry | ronoc, oh! | 14:41 |
| ronoc | mterry, I'm working on the metadata-widget.c | 14:41 |
| ronoc | ill come down | 14:41 |
| ronoc | one sec | 14:41 |
| mterry | ronoc, ok | 14:41 |
| mterry | ronoc, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-sound/gtk3-draw-transport/+merge/65988 | 14:46 |
| ronoc | mterry, thanks | 14:47 |
| psusi | why are we switching to lightdm instead of gdm? I thought that gdm loading an actual gnome session was a good thing because it allowed for things like wifi connectivity to handle network logins, and accessibility and such? | 15:21 |
| RAOF | Robert's thinking is that explicitly loading the set of services that you need to work properly is easier than loading a full session and trying to blacklist the services that shouldn't be run in the login session. | 15:26 |
| RAOF | And you don't need a gnome session to handle wifi anyway :) | 15:27 |
| psusi | I thought that a gnome session was all or nothing and that gdm went through a big rewrite to just load the gnome session instead of reimplementing half of it and getting it wrong. That sounds like what lightdm is going back to. | 15:31 |
| psusi | is there somewhere I can read up on what services constitute a normal gnome session and which aren't needed/wanted for the greeter? | 15:32 |
| RAOF | Apparently /usr/share/gdm/autostart (or something like that) is the interesting bit. | 15:32 |
| pitti | /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/*.desktop is the reduced gnome session for gdm | 15:32 |
| pitti | (it's not a blacklist, it's a whitelist) | 15:33 |
| RAOF | But you don't want to be able to do things like, say, spawn a browser from gdm :) | 15:33 |
| pitti | as for network sessions, I think we really shold default to system wide wifi connections | 15:33 |
| psusi | you still need the network manager to display them and connect don't you? | 15:34 |
| RAOF | Which is run as a system service. | 15:34 |
| pitti | cyphermox just confirmed that from oneiric on new wifi connections are system wide by default | 15:35 |
| psusi | what do you mean? it's a gnome app; it's run as part of your gnome session isn't it? | 15:35 |
| pitti | so you don't need nm-applet | 15:35 |
| psusi | how so? personal vs system wide just means where the settings are stored doesn't it? still need nm-applet to read them and actually negotiate the connection | 15:35 |
| RAOF | No, the system service does the detection and connection stuff. | 15:36 |
| RAOF | Wifi works without X with system wide network-manager connections. | 15:36 |
| psusi | so you mean nm-applet is only the gui front end part, and there is another system wide daemon that actually manages the interface? | 15:36 |
| RAOF | Yes. | 15:37 |
| psusi | what's the back-end part? | 15:37 |
| RAOF | Network-manager. | 15:37 |
| cyphermox | it's NetworkManager | 15:37 |
| psusi | ahh, of course | 15:37 |
| cyphermox | what this means too, is that for CLI you can turn on connections using nmcli con up id "Blah" | 15:37 |
| psusi | so it will connect to the highest priority approved network it finds automatically, and that's what you're stuck with for the greeter? can't see signal str and/or change to another network? | 15:38 |
| cyphermox | nm-applet was already just saying to NM "turn on this connection kthxbai, here's the passwerd"; now it just doesn't give a password anymore except for some small exceptions | 15:38 |
| cyphermox | psusi: ultimately I would expect nm-applet to be usable from the greeter (already possible on Maverick and up, just needed the .desktop file in the right spot) | 15:39 |
| psusi | that's what I thought the idea was, but it sounds like lightdm doesn't use .desktop files | 15:40 |
| RAOF | I don't think the greeter that Robert's writing does, no. There's no reason you couldn't write a greeter that fired up a full gnome-session, though. | 15:42 |
| RAOF | The KDE greeter will obviously want to do something different, for example. | 15:42 |
| psusi | from what I've read so far, one of the main reasons for using lightdm in the first place is to get rid of the full gnome session, so... | 15:45 |
| dobey | pitti: are you trying to convince everyone to drop banshee/mono this week? ;) | 16:15 |
| pitti | not so far :) | 16:33 |
| TheMuso | heh | 16:47 |
| TheMuso | We only just changed to banshee. | 16:47 |
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| * bryce_ waves | 17:00 | |
| pitti | hey bryce_ | 17:06 |
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| rodrigo_ | g-s-d 3.1.2 is now available in the GNOME3 ppa -> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 | 17:42 |
| rodrigo_ | I'd appreciate some testing before uploading | 17:42 |
| rodrigo_ | it seems to work ok for me, so just need a few people to tell me it works for them also :) | 17:42 |
| dobey | rodrigo_: does it magically avoid crashing? :) | 17:46 |
| rodrigo_ | dobey, yes, and it makes your laundry also | 17:48 |
| dobey | great, i need some laundry done | 17:49 |
| bigon | should libnautilus-extension1 be bumped? | 18:06 |
| bigon | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627361 | 18:06 |
| ubot2 | Debian bug 627361 in libnautilus-extension1 "GTK2 / GTK3 mismatch breaks nautilus" [Serious,Fixed] | 18:06 |
| dobey | bigon: i guess that's an upstream problem? | 18:15 |
| bigon | dobey: indeed | 18:23 |
| dobey | don't know why they didn't change the libname | 18:25 |
| bigon | dobey: well I guess that the distribution has to fix this if upstream has not | 18:33 |
| dobey | bigon: it sounds like you should discuss it with upstream if nobody else is | 18:34 |
| salty-horse | hey. I'm looking for someone to help push awareness of this nasty metacity regression caused by an ubuntu patch: (see comment #1) -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/696864 | 21:54 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 696864 in unity-2d "[window management] Add option to metacity to avoid unmapping minimized windows" [High,Fix released] | 21:54 |
| salty-horse | anyone from the desktop team around? | 21:54 |
| dobey | salty-horse: ugh. well that explains why i get invisible windows some times :( | 21:56 |
| salty-horse | dobey, indeed :( | 21:57 |
| dobey | i figured it was a firefox issue, since i seem to always get it with firefox | 21:57 |
| salty-horse | dobey, I mostly get it with totem :) | 21:58 |
| salty-horse | anyhow, I'm not sure what to do. #ayatana is silent. maybe I should open a bug against metacity in launchpad and link back | 21:59 |
| dobey | yes you should | 21:59 |
| salty-horse | ok. in a few minutes | 22:00 |
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| salty-horse | dobey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/802747 | 22:38 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 802747 in metacity "window redraw glitches caused by ubuntu patch" [Undecided,New] | 22:38 |
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