[09:09] <Wizard> hi
[09:09] <Wizard> what is the ubuntu policy with gnome3?
[09:10] <Wizard> will it be included into official repositories?
[09:12] <jpds> Wizard: It already is.
[09:14] <Wizard> hmm
[09:14] <Wizard> so what is the difference between gnome3-team ppa and official packages?
[09:15] <Wizard> ppa replaced alot of packages
[09:15] <jpds> gnome3-team is probably more up to date.
[09:15] <Wizard> ah, so they shift packages from ppa to main from time to time?
[09:15] <jpds> No.
[09:16] <jpds> The packages in a release are frozen.
[09:16] <Wizard> hmm
[09:16] <seb128> jpds, gnome3 is not newer that oneiric
[09:16] <seb128> Wizard, the ppa was for natty since stayed on 2.32
[09:17] <Wizard> seb128: natty stayed, right? and they provide backports?
[09:17] <seb128> not sure to understand the question
[09:17] <seb128> you can use the gnome3-team ppa to try GNOME3 on natty
[09:17] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner_, hi
[09:17] <Wizard> i am
[09:17] <seb128> the ppa is of no use in oneiric since GNOME3 is in oneiric
[09:18] <Wizard> great, that's what i wanted to know :)
[09:22] <Wizard> where there any considerations of replacing unity by gnome3?
[09:23] <Wizard> were*
[09:30] <Amaranth> Wizard: hehe, no :)
[09:31] <Wizard> too bad ;)
[12:00] <ayan> Laney: ping
[12:49] <cdbs> didrocks: I've forwarded the patch upstream https://code.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/gedit/unity-quicklist/+merge/63696
[12:50] <cdbs> didrocks: Sorry for the delay, personal stuff came in the way, and when I was done with all of that, my laptop died. I might have to demote 2-3 work items to A3
[13:03] <cdbs> didrocks: Also, what would you say about bug #789867 ?
[13:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 789867 in unity "Unity violates freedesktop.org desktop entry spec" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789867
[13:05] <didrocks> cdbs: excellent, thanks a lot!
[13:05] <didrocks> cdbs: hum, let me see
[13:06] <Laney> hi ayan
[13:06] <Laney> it's easier if you say what you want up front, saves time
[13:07] <didrocks> cdbs: should not be an issue
[13:07] <didrocks> it's valid
[13:07] <didrocks> we should fix freedesktop
[13:07] <didrocks> going to lunch, brb
[13:08] <cdbs> :)
[14:40] <mterry> ronoc, btw, I've found some issues with the gtk3 port of indicator-sound, so I'm working on the fixes
[14:41] <ronoc> mterry, ah so am I !
[14:41] <mterry> ronoc, oh!
[14:41] <ronoc> mterry, I'm working on the metadata-widget.c
[14:41] <ronoc> ill come down
[14:41] <ronoc> one sec
[14:41] <mterry> ronoc, ok
[14:46] <mterry> ronoc, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-sound/gtk3-draw-transport/+merge/65988
[14:47] <ronoc> mterry, thanks
[15:21] <psusi> why are we switching to lightdm instead of gdm?  I thought that gdm loading an actual gnome session was a good thing because it allowed for things like wifi connectivity to handle network logins, and accessibility and such?
[15:26] <RAOF> Robert's thinking is that explicitly loading the set of services that you need to work properly is easier than loading a full session and trying to blacklist the services that shouldn't be run in the login session.
[15:27] <RAOF> And you don't need a gnome session to handle wifi anyway :)
[15:31] <psusi> I thought that a gnome session was all or nothing and that gdm went through a big rewrite to just load the gnome session instead of reimplementing half of it and getting it wrong.  That sounds like what lightdm is going back to.
[15:32] <psusi> is there somewhere I can read up on what services constitute a normal gnome session and which aren't needed/wanted for the greeter?
[15:32] <RAOF> Apparently /usr/share/gdm/autostart (or something like that) is the interesting bit.
[15:32] <pitti> /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/*.desktop is the reduced gnome session for gdm
[15:33] <pitti> (it's not a blacklist, it's a whitelist)
[15:33] <RAOF> But you don't want to be able to do things like, say, spawn a browser from gdm :)
[15:33] <pitti> as for network sessions, I think we really shold default to system wide wifi connections
[15:34] <psusi> you still need the network manager to display them and connect don't you?
[15:34] <RAOF> Which is run as a system service.
[15:35] <pitti> cyphermox just confirmed that from oneiric on new wifi connections are system wide by default
[15:35] <psusi> what do you mean?  it's a gnome app; it's run as part of your gnome session isn't it?
[15:35] <pitti> so you don't need nm-applet
[15:35] <psusi> how so?  personal vs system wide just means where the settings are stored doesn't it?  still need nm-applet to read them and actually negotiate the connection
[15:36] <RAOF> No, the system service does the detection and connection stuff.
[15:36] <RAOF> Wifi works without X with system wide network-manager connections.
[15:36] <psusi> so you mean nm-applet is only the gui front end part, and there is another system wide daemon that actually  manages the interface?
[15:37] <RAOF> Yes.
[15:37] <psusi> what's the back-end part?
[15:37] <RAOF> Network-manager.
[15:37] <cyphermox> it's NetworkManager
[15:37] <psusi> ahh, of course
[15:37] <cyphermox> what this means too, is that for CLI you can turn on connections using nmcli con up id "Blah"
[15:38] <psusi> so it will connect to the highest priority approved network it finds automatically, and that's what you're stuck with for the greeter?  can't see signal str and/or change to another network?
[15:38] <cyphermox> nm-applet was already just saying to NM "turn on this connection kthxbai, here's the passwerd"; now it just doesn't give a password anymore except for some small exceptions
[15:39] <cyphermox> psusi: ultimately I would expect nm-applet to be usable from the greeter (already possible on Maverick and up, just needed the .desktop file in the right spot)
[15:40] <psusi> that's what I thought the idea was, but it sounds like lightdm doesn't use .desktop files
[15:42] <RAOF> I don't think the greeter that Robert's writing does, no.  There's no reason you couldn't write a greeter that fired up a full gnome-session, though.
[15:42] <RAOF> The KDE greeter will obviously want to do something different, for example.
[15:45] <psusi> from what I've read so far, one of the main reasons for using lightdm in the first place is to get rid of the full gnome session, so...
[16:15] <dobey> pitti: are you trying to convince everyone to drop banshee/mono this week? ;)
[16:33] <pitti> not so far :)
[16:47] <TheMuso> heh
[16:47] <TheMuso> We only just changed to banshee.
[16:48]  * Laney looks around suspiciously
[17:00]  * bryce_ waves
[17:06] <pitti> hey bryce_
[17:42] <rodrigo_> g-s-d 3.1.2 is now available in the GNOME3 ppa -> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[17:42] <rodrigo_> I'd appreciate some testing before uploading
[17:42] <rodrigo_> it seems to work ok for me, so just need a few people to tell me it works for them also :)
[17:46] <dobey> rodrigo_: does it magically avoid crashing? :)
[17:48] <rodrigo_> dobey, yes, and it makes your laundry also
[17:49] <dobey> great, i need some laundry done
[18:06] <bigon> should libnautilus-extension1 be bumped?
[18:06] <bigon> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627361
[18:06] <ubot2> Debian bug 627361 in libnautilus-extension1 "GTK2 / GTK3 mismatch breaks nautilus" [Serious,Fixed]
[18:15] <dobey> bigon: i guess that's an upstream problem?
[18:23] <bigon> dobey: indeed
[18:25] <dobey> don't know why they didn't change the libname
[18:33] <bigon> dobey: well I guess that the distribution has to fix this if upstream has not
[18:34] <dobey> bigon: it sounds like you should discuss it with upstream if nobody else is
[21:54] <salty-horse> hey. I'm looking for someone to help push awareness of this nasty metacity regression caused by an ubuntu patch: (see comment #1) -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/696864
[21:54] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 696864 in unity-2d "[window management] Add option to metacity to avoid unmapping minimized windows" [High,Fix released]
[21:54] <salty-horse> anyone from the desktop team around?
[21:56] <dobey> salty-horse: ugh. well that explains why i get invisible windows some times :(
[21:57] <salty-horse> dobey, indeed :(
[21:57] <dobey> i figured it was a firefox issue, since i seem to always get it with firefox
[21:58] <salty-horse> dobey, I mostly get it with totem :)
[21:59] <salty-horse> anyhow, I'm not sure what to do. #ayatana is silent. maybe I should open a bug against metacity in launchpad and link back
[21:59] <dobey> yes you should
[22:00] <salty-horse> ok. in a few minutes
[22:38] <salty-horse> dobey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/802747
[22:38] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 802747 in metacity "window redraw glitches caused by ubuntu patch" [Undecided,New]