[09:09] hi [09:09] what is the ubuntu policy with gnome3? [09:10] will it be included into official repositories? === vuntz|afk is now known as vuntz [09:12] Wizard: It already is. [09:14] hmm [09:14] so what is the difference between gnome3-team ppa and official packages? [09:15] ppa replaced alot of packages [09:15] gnome3-team is probably more up to date. [09:15] ah, so they shift packages from ppa to main from time to time? [09:15] No. [09:16] The packages in a release are frozen. [09:16] hmm [09:16] jpds, gnome3 is not newer that oneiric [09:16] Wizard, the ppa was for natty since stayed on 2.32 [09:17] seb128: natty stayed, right? and they provide backports? [09:17] not sure to understand the question [09:17] you can use the gnome3-team ppa to try GNOME3 on natty [09:17] jasoncwarner_, hi [09:17] i am [09:17] the ppa is of no use in oneiric since GNOME3 is in oneiric [09:18] great, that's what i wanted to know :) [09:22] where there any considerations of replacing unity by gnome3? [09:23] were* [09:30] Wizard: hehe, no :) [09:31] too bad ;) [12:00] Laney: ping [12:49] didrocks: I've forwarded the patch upstream https://code.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/gedit/unity-quicklist/+merge/63696 [12:50] didrocks: Sorry for the delay, personal stuff came in the way, and when I was done with all of that, my laptop died. I might have to demote 2-3 work items to A3 [13:03] didrocks: Also, what would you say about bug #789867 ? [13:03] Launchpad bug 789867 in unity "Unity violates freedesktop.org desktop entry spec" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789867 [13:05] cdbs: excellent, thanks a lot! [13:05] cdbs: hum, let me see [13:06] hi ayan [13:06] it's easier if you say what you want up front, saves time [13:07] cdbs: should not be an issue [13:07] it's valid [13:07] we should fix freedesktop [13:07] going to lunch, brb [13:08] :) === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === kklimonda^ is now known as kklimonda === kklimonda is now known as Guest43465 === Guest43465 is now known as kklimonda^ === kklimonda^ is now known as kklimonda === hallyn is now known as hallyn_afk [14:40] ronoc, btw, I've found some issues with the gtk3 port of indicator-sound, so I'm working on the fixes [14:41] mterry, ah so am I ! [14:41] ronoc, oh! [14:41] mterry, I'm working on the metadata-widget.c [14:41] ill come down [14:41] one sec [14:41] ronoc, ok [14:46] ronoc, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-sound/gtk3-draw-transport/+merge/65988 [14:47] mterry, thanks [15:21] why are we switching to lightdm instead of gdm? I thought that gdm loading an actual gnome session was a good thing because it allowed for things like wifi connectivity to handle network logins, and accessibility and such? [15:26] Robert's thinking is that explicitly loading the set of services that you need to work properly is easier than loading a full session and trying to blacklist the services that shouldn't be run in the login session. [15:27] And you don't need a gnome session to handle wifi anyway :) [15:31] I thought that a gnome session was all or nothing and that gdm went through a big rewrite to just load the gnome session instead of reimplementing half of it and getting it wrong. That sounds like what lightdm is going back to. [15:32] is there somewhere I can read up on what services constitute a normal gnome session and which aren't needed/wanted for the greeter? [15:32] Apparently /usr/share/gdm/autostart (or something like that) is the interesting bit. [15:32] /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/*.desktop is the reduced gnome session for gdm [15:33] (it's not a blacklist, it's a whitelist) [15:33] But you don't want to be able to do things like, say, spawn a browser from gdm :) [15:33] as for network sessions, I think we really shold default to system wide wifi connections [15:34] you still need the network manager to display them and connect don't you? [15:34] Which is run as a system service. [15:35] cyphermox just confirmed that from oneiric on new wifi connections are system wide by default [15:35] what do you mean? it's a gnome app; it's run as part of your gnome session isn't it? [15:35] so you don't need nm-applet [15:35] how so? personal vs system wide just means where the settings are stored doesn't it? still need nm-applet to read them and actually negotiate the connection [15:36] No, the system service does the detection and connection stuff. [15:36] Wifi works without X with system wide network-manager connections. [15:36] so you mean nm-applet is only the gui front end part, and there is another system wide daemon that actually manages the interface? [15:37] Yes. [15:37] what's the back-end part? [15:37] Network-manager. [15:37] it's NetworkManager [15:37] ahh, of course [15:37] what this means too, is that for CLI you can turn on connections using nmcli con up id "Blah" [15:38] so it will connect to the highest priority approved network it finds automatically, and that's what you're stuck with for the greeter? can't see signal str and/or change to another network? [15:38] nm-applet was already just saying to NM "turn on this connection kthxbai, here's the passwerd"; now it just doesn't give a password anymore except for some small exceptions [15:39] psusi: ultimately I would expect nm-applet to be usable from the greeter (already possible on Maverick and up, just needed the .desktop file in the right spot) [15:40] that's what I thought the idea was, but it sounds like lightdm doesn't use .desktop files [15:42] I don't think the greeter that Robert's writing does, no. There's no reason you couldn't write a greeter that fired up a full gnome-session, though. [15:42] The KDE greeter will obviously want to do something different, for example. [15:45] from what I've read so far, one of the main reasons for using lightdm in the first place is to get rid of the full gnome session, so... [16:15] pitti: are you trying to convince everyone to drop banshee/mono this week? ;) [16:33] not so far :) [16:47] heh [16:47] We only just changed to banshee. [16:48] * Laney looks around suspiciously === hallyn_afk is now known as hallyn [17:00] * bryce_ waves [17:06] hey bryce_ === korn_ is now known as c_korn [17:42] g-s-d 3.1.2 is now available in the GNOME3 ppa -> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 [17:42] I'd appreciate some testing before uploading [17:42] it seems to work ok for me, so just need a few people to tell me it works for them also :) [17:46] rodrigo_: does it magically avoid crashing? :) [17:48] dobey, yes, and it makes your laundry also [17:49] great, i need some laundry done [18:06] should libnautilus-extension1 be bumped? [18:06] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627361 [18:06] Debian bug 627361 in libnautilus-extension1 "GTK2 / GTK3 mismatch breaks nautilus" [Serious,Fixed] [18:15] bigon: i guess that's an upstream problem? [18:23] dobey: indeed [18:25] don't know why they didn't change the libname [18:33] dobey: well I guess that the distribution has to fix this if upstream has not [18:34] bigon: it sounds like you should discuss it with upstream if nobody else is [21:54] hey. I'm looking for someone to help push awareness of this nasty metacity regression caused by an ubuntu patch: (see comment #1) -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/696864 [21:54] Ubuntu bug 696864 in unity-2d "[window management] Add option to metacity to avoid unmapping minimized windows" [High,Fix released] [21:54] anyone from the desktop team around? [21:56] salty-horse: ugh. well that explains why i get invisible windows some times :( [21:57] dobey, indeed :( [21:57] i figured it was a firefox issue, since i seem to always get it with firefox [21:58] dobey, I mostly get it with totem :) [21:59] anyhow, I'm not sure what to do. #ayatana is silent. maybe I should open a bug against metacity in launchpad and link back [21:59] yes you should [22:00] ok. in a few minutes === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:38] dobey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/802747 [22:38] Ubuntu bug 802747 in metacity "window redraw glitches caused by ubuntu patch" [Undecided,New]