[01:54] <sprite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Sonvibgoc
[02:51] <Azelphur> My servers are officially averaging 1 hit every 10 seconds \o/
[03:00] <shauno> that doesn't sound too bad?
[03:00] <Azelphur> shauno: indeed, it's awesome :D
[03:00] <shauno> fantastic traffic as far as your adsense goes, but nowhere near painful :)
[03:01] <Azelphur> indeed :p
[07:14] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:13] <gord> someone has made a website that streams in the latest ubuntu bugs, that is terrifying in ways i can't describe
[08:22] <DJones> Morning
[08:42] <hoover_> morning
[08:51] <nigelb> gord: Its paultag, but how is it terrifying? We already have had an IRC channel that does it for the longest time
[09:02] <popey> PHEW! It's a scortcher!
[09:02] <popey> gord: http://pault.ag:8080/firehose.html ?
[09:15] <gord> popey, yup
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning peeps
[09:20] <popey> lo
[09:24] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:26] <diplo> morning all
[09:27] <hoover_> mornin
[09:35] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:37] <popey> lo bigcalm
[09:37] <dogmatic69> sup bigcalm
[09:42] <danfish> hello hello
[09:46] <danfish> a dilemma - do I turn the aircon on? (it's ancient and very noisy, so can't hear what people say)
[09:48] <tsimpson> didn't you have it on yesterday?
[09:48]  * dogmatic69 quickly dies of heat
[09:50] <danfish> tsimpson: wasn't in work yesterday
[09:52]  * danfish throws a bucket of ice over dogmatic69 
[09:53] <tsimpson> at work? turn it on, the fact that it drowns other people out is only a positive :)
[09:53] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/1032/detail/
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[09:55]  * MartijnVdS clicks "Attend"
[09:56] <danfish> AlanBell: what sort of age group is this expo for? Is 4 too young?
[09:56] <AlanBell> you are never too young for science fiction
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> danfish: http://bl.uk/sciencefiction
[09:57] <AlanBell> I am quite impressed by the bl.uk domain
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: It's one of the oldest .uk domains
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> However, some domains delegated before the creation of Nominet UK remain. Examples include mod.uk (Ministry of Defence), parliament.uk (Parliament), bl.uk and british-library.uk (the British Library), nls.uk (the National Library of Scotland), nhs.uk (The National Health Service), and jet.uk (UKAEA as operator of the Joint European Torus experimental fusion tokamak).
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[09:58] <AlanBell> jet is awesome, went there on a school trip
[09:59]  * MartijnVdS went to the BL last year, when they had the "Beauty of Maps" exhibition
[10:28] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:28] <popey> morning MooDoo
[10:28] <MooDoo> that was quick popey :)
[10:29] <em> morning
[10:30] <MooDoo> good weekend everyone?
[10:30] <bigcalm> I'm melting
[10:31] <MooDoo> bigcalm, thank goodness for air con
[10:32] <bigcalm> I guess I should go and set mine up
[10:40] <MooDoo> everyone have a good weekend?
[10:41] <MooDoo> i didn't realise we have localised loco teams for the uk.
[10:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:42] <directhex> MooDoo, someone needs to patch the os to say "spiffing!" at random points!"
[10:42] <MooDoo> brobostigon, hello
[10:42] <directhex> without uk localization, who would do it?
[10:43] <MooDoo> directhex, i meant do we have nottingham loco or birmingham loco, or even north east loco.......just read something that confused me
[10:43] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and directhex
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> poco loco?
[10:57] <AlanBell> MooDoo: yeah, surprised me too a bit :)
[10:57] <AlanBell> there are regional/city based locos in various places in the US
[10:58] <AlanBell> and we have ubuntu-cym as a kind of sub-team for wales and the welsh translation
[10:58] <MooDoo> AlanBell, yeah that's what confused me as we don't have that over here
[10:58] <directhex> i guess the birmingham loco translates ubuntu to brummie
[10:58] <MooDoo> i though local loco's were call lugs :)
[10:58] <AlanBell> yeah, but it is all good
[10:59] <MooDoo> of course, was just confused, thought there was something new i didn'tknow about :)
[11:16] <MooDoo> morning s-fox how are you this fine day?
[11:17] <s-fox> Good afternoon MooDoo
[11:17] <s-fox> I am a little sun burned, but okay.
[11:17] <s-fox> How are you MooDoo ?
[11:18] <MooDoo> s-fox, yeah very good thanks,i put sun cream on :p
[11:19] <s-fox> Good to hear you are okay.  I did put cream on,  obviously not enough. I did a 10 mile run yesterday. lol
[11:19] <MooDoo> s-fox, 10 miles? are you mad?  lol i have two speeds, slow and stop :)
[11:20] <s-fox> Haha
[11:20] <s-fox> That is a little like chuck norris.  2 speeds - walk and kill
[11:21] <MooDoo> s-fox, you can't find chuck norris, he finds you
[11:21] <s-fox> Not mad.  I like running, it keeps me in good shape
[11:21] <MooDoo> s-fox, cool :)
[11:23] <s-fox> Did you do anything fun over the weekend MooDoo  ?
[11:23] <mac_nibblet> Heya anyone here good at iptables?
[11:23] <MooDoo> s-fox, yeah spent the weekend in Bakewell derbyshire, got some good photos
[11:24] <s-fox> Sorry mac_nibblet ,  this is the best guide i know of though - http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/iptables
[11:25] <mac_nibblet> s-fox: thanks ill read it
[11:25] <s-fox> MooDoo,  That is about 70 miles from here
[11:25] <s-fox> :D
[11:25] <MooDoo> s-fox, next time i'm up there i'll give you a buzz
[11:26] <s-fox> k
[11:27] <MooDoo> s-fox, don't know how, but i'll just use my psychotic ability ;)
[11:28] <s-fox> i'll be listening
[11:28] <s-fox> :)
[11:28] <MooDoo> s-fox, hear that?
[11:28] <MooDoo> lol
[11:29] <s-fox> MooDoo,  Yes, I take my tea black. Thanks
[11:29] <s-fox> :)
[11:29] <MooDoo> s-fox, you got it :)   and oi you behave ;) lol
[11:30] <s-fox> lol
[11:30] <MooDoo> lol
[11:42] <MooDoo> damn it's sunny
[11:43] <brobostigon> any good documents on setting up ssh tunnels?
[11:44] <BigRedS> they're not particularly complex in themselves, so most howtos should do
[11:45] <BigRedS> http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/ssh-tunnel.html ?
[11:45] <brobostigon> ok, thank you BigRedS
[11:47] <MooDoo> blimey, almost lunch
[12:16] <mac_nibblet> s-fox i cant get this dam thing to work
[12:16] <mac_nibblet> i want to portforward port 80 from our linux server to my workstation
[12:16] <mac_nibblet> but all im getting is connection refused
[12:23] <JGJones> A question - in your opinion, what's the best twitter client? I still can't bring myself to like gwibber.
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> there isn't a "best" one :)
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> just one  you like the most
[12:23]  * MartijnVdS uses the website and the official android app
[12:25]  * brobostigon uses the website, gwibber, and android mustard.
[12:25] <directhex> i use tweetdeck
[12:28]  * BigRedS uses Net::Twitter::Lite :)
[12:28] <BigRedS> and, more frequently now the website
[12:29] <brobostigon> the website is soslow though, it takkes ages to load, and slow in scrollling, and elemnt interaction, this is in chromium. so i would rather use a different client.
[12:31] <JGJones> I know there's no "best" but wanted to know what other flavours are available in Linux :) I don't really want to use TweetDeck
[12:31] <JGJones> Not much point in doing so since Adobe Air isn't being developed for Linux anymore.
[12:32] <brobostigon> also, there is bitlbee's twitter/identica plugin.
[12:33] <directhex> smuxi!
[12:38] <brobostigon> no smuxi android frontend, it seems.
[12:39] <andylockran> howdy all
[12:40] <daubers> lo
[12:42] <JGJones> Trying out Hotot
[12:44] <andylockran> I'm playing with glusterFS today.
[13:12] <Safiyyah> ali1234: Azelphur  I  got a system crash again! But this time it isn't recovering. So I ran the disk checking tool from Samsung and it returned an error
[13:13] <Safiyyah> I checked Samsung's website and, you basically self-diagnose, get a returns number and ship it to them, they test it and replace it. All of which will take 3 weeks or so
[13:14] <Safiyyah> is there no way or getting a cash refund from these companies?
[13:17] <JGJones> Safiyyah, not really - you didn't buy it directly from them - you can get it from the supplier (subject to T&C's) though.
[13:18] <Safiyyah> i got it from Amazon on the 31st of March, is it them I chase?
[13:28] <AlanBell> glad I am not in London today, it is rather warmish
[13:30] <jpds> AlanBell: All is well over here.
[13:30] <directhex> AlanBell,  i put my aircon on for luck. it's not all that hot tbh, but i keep reading about hot people
[13:30] <daubers> Glad we get the keys to our new office shortly, aircon ftw \o/
[13:30] <AlanBell> I am inappropriately dressed, or would be if I was in an office
[13:31] <daubers> Pyjamas?
[13:32]  * daubers needs a robot to go configure some servers while he sleeps
[13:38] <diplo> Started raining here :(
[13:40] <daubers> I want rain :(
[13:41] <MooDoo> i want beer
[13:41] <directhex> i want candy
[13:45] <diplo> Short sharp shower it seems, was fairly heavy but just grey again
[13:45] <diplo> And stonking hot still :)
[14:09] <andylockran> diplo: where are ye?
[14:09] <MooDoo> diplo, to hot :(
[14:11] <diplo> Near Bath
[14:25] <BigRedS> heh. thunderbird is being hilarious with its text wrapping today
[14:51] <czajkowski> eh no popey tis the end of the world
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell, daubers: I will bring stroopwafels to the SciFi thing :)
[14:57] <MattJ> stroopwafels \o/
[14:59] <AlanBell> nom
[15:01] <MooDoo> never heard of them :)
[15:03] <daubers> MartijnVdS: \o/
[15:07] <BigRedS> the 'events' page on the uuk website still only lists christmas 2010
[15:07] <BigRedS> well, events category
[15:48] <Azelphur> omg, it's 35c in my room lol
[15:48] <Azelphur> set up the AC in my gpu cluster room, nearly got heat stroke in the process \o/
[15:48] <jpds> Azelphur: Or put another way, room temperature.
[15:49] <Azelphur> room temperature isn't 35c :o
[15:49] <BigRedS> it is in that room
[15:49] <Azelphur> true xD
[15:49] <hamitron> :D
[15:49] <Azelphur> I've got 1 AC, a swamp cooler and a desk fan running on this floor at the moment lol
[15:50] <Azelphur> and I'm generating about 2kw of heat from hardware \o/
[15:50] <Azelphur> hottest day of the year + 2kw of heat = fun
[15:51] <jpds> Ah, body temperature is 37*C.
[15:55] <AlanBell> BigRedS: yes, fair point
[16:02] <BigRedS> ah yeah, I should probably have directed that at someone :)
[16:14] <andylockran> Azelphur: this for your bitcoin stuff?
[16:14] <andylockran> value recovered?
[16:14] <Azelphur> yep
[16:14] <Azelphur> andylockran: I have about £2.7k's worth but a lot of that is still in bitcoins
[16:14] <andylockran> http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2011/06/bitcoin-value-plummets-as-main.html
[16:14] <Azelphur> I'm waiting for a high price to come along
[16:14] <Azelphur> old news is old, all transactions was reversed
[16:14] <Azelphur> https://www.mtgox.com/ have a look at the new chart
[16:15] <BigRedS> is mtgox still the only real exchange?
[16:15] <popey> no
[16:15] <popey> britcoin
[16:16] <Azelphur> tradehill
[16:16] <Azelphur> http://bitcoincharts.com
[16:17] <BigRedS> yeah, I know there are more, but i thought mtgox had something daft like 90% of all transactions
[16:19] <AlanBell> Azelphur: you got £2.7k from farming?
[16:19] <AlanBell> or mining or whatever it is
[16:19] <Azelphur> AlanBell: yea but like half of that is still in bit/namecoins
[16:19] <bigcalm> How much did you spend on the hardware?
[16:19] <Azelphur> £2000
[16:19] <bigcalm> And how much is the electricity costing?
[16:19] <Azelphur> like £100 a month I think
[16:20] <bigcalm> I hope it's worth it :)
[16:20] <Azelphur> I only pay 6.8p/kwh
[16:20] <Azelphur> and it pulls 1776KW constant
[16:20] <Laney> heh
[16:21] <Laney> await the knock at the door from the drug squad
[16:21] <Azelphur> my brother went and reported it to the police haha
[16:31] <czajkowski> popey: yay popey back
[16:35] <Azelphur> 06/25/11     25.55 GiB |  112.20 GiB |  137.75 GiB |   13.37 Mbit/s
[16:35] <Azelphur> leet server is leet \o/
[16:49] <Safiyyah> western digital HDD have good online reviews, perhaps that is what I should buy
[16:54] <directhex> are WD greens the ones that stop spinning every 5 seconds?
[16:55] <Safiyyah> directhex:  i was thinking of getting the black
[16:55] <Safiyyah> because they have a 5 year warranty
[16:55] <directhex> i like spinpoints, personally, as far as spinning rust goes
[16:56] <Safiyyah> which means nothing other than hopefully its better quality/longer life
[16:56] <Safiyyah> my only concern is long life
[16:56] <Safiyyah> it can be slow
[16:57] <directhex> on that front, honestly: there's not much in it, in a well-ventillated system. some drives will just blow. they're mechanical, mechanics sometimes fail
[16:58] <Safiyyah> so it's my fault I have a well ventilated machine?
[16:58] <Safiyyah> lol
[17:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've used Samsung Spinpoints for years and (touch-wood) they have been very reliable and quiet. Shame they just got sold off IMHO
[17:00] <directhex> some drives will tend to run hotter, so suffer more in hot systems
[17:00] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, que?
[17:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wne to Seagate
[17:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> went
[17:01] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, que? i see nothing on samsung's press site about that
[17:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/366886/seagate-buys-samsungs-hard-drives-for-1-4bn
[17:01] <directhex> !!! :(
[17:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed.
[17:02] <directhex> everyone sucks, then. invest in SSD!
[17:04] <Safiyyah> no money for SSD
[17:04] <Safiyyah> it's like 200 quid for no space
[17:06] <Safiyyah> is anyone running SSD?
[17:06] <popey> yes
[17:06] <popey> my desktop has two 120GB SSDs
[17:07] <popey> and I have a 120GB in my laptop
[17:07] <popey> "no space", delete all the crap or move it off onto other spinning rust disks
[17:08] <hamitron> "how do you decide what to delete?" ;/
[17:08] <Safiyyah> lol budget does not extend beyond 100 quid
[17:08] <Safiyyah> 100 quid won't buy me 120gb
[17:09] <hamitron> 60Gb is plenty
[17:09] <hamitron> for the average user anyway
[17:09] <hamitron> :)
[17:09] <Safiyyah> rofl
[17:09] <Safiyyah> yeah. load virtual box and all the space goes to zilch
[17:09]  * hamitron has 7 x 1Tb disks
[17:10] <jpds> < ~hamitron> 60Gb is plenty
[17:10] <jpds> ~hamitron has 7 x 1Tb disks
[17:10] <jpds> OK.
[17:10] <Safiyyah> hamitron i would hate to see your backup procedure
[17:10] <Laney> I got over hoarding a while ago
[17:10] <hamitron> Safiyyah: I hate to see the lack of it ;)
[17:10] <Laney> (besides the music collection)
[17:10] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[17:11] <hamitron> jpds: 60Gb is plenty, most my machines only have 80Gb or less
[17:11] <Safiyyah> popey: so you are suggesting I buy SSD, and use my current faulty HDD to store stuff (well after it comes back from samsung warranty?)
[17:11] <Safiyyah> it is a good suggestion actually
[17:12] <hamitron> sounds good :)
[17:14] <hamitron> and then buy another hdd to backup the hdd
[17:14] <hamitron> ;)
[17:15] <popey> dont forget to backup the ssd
[17:15] <popey> I'm not suggesting you do anything Safiyyah
[17:15] <popey> just saying what I do
[17:15] <Safiyyah> popey i am asking for you opinion
[17:19] <popey> I have no idea what your requirements are
[17:21] <Azelphur> 37 degrees in my bedroom now \o/
[17:21] <hamitron> Azelphur: wtf you doing?
[17:21] <Azelphur> nothing :(
[17:21] <Azelphur> I have the window open and a swamp cooler running
[17:22] <hamitron> is your comp still overclocked?
[17:22] <hamitron> and you should turn off some screens
[17:22] <jpds> You have a cooler on, while having the window open?
[17:22] <hamitron> ;)
[17:22] <daubers> Azelphur: 1776KW???? Surely you mean 1776W?
[17:22] <Azelphur> I do indeed
[17:23] <daubers> 1776KW is like running 200 electric showers constantly!
[17:23] <Azelphur> haha
[17:23] <hamitron> I need 200 electric showers atm :/
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> eclectic showers
[17:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sounds quite promising: http://www.guardian.co.uk/government-computing-network/2011/jun/27/liam-maxwell-appointed-director-of-ict-futures
[17:39] <AlanBell> yay, it has been announced now :)
[17:50] <Safiyyah> sorry the phone went
[17:50] <Safiyyah> popey:requirements, stable HDD, I have suffered from dead HDD to often
[17:50] <Safiyyah> i dont game
[17:50] <Azelphur> Safiyyah: back again with hdd problems? :(
[17:51] <Safiyyah> yes Azelphur  it finally died
[17:51] <shauno> I dunno what you're all complaining about .. a lovely 14º here :)
[17:51] <Azelphur> Safiyyah: :(
[17:52] <Safiyyah> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/222310
[17:52] <Safiyyah> how about this one guys?
[17:53] <Azelphur> Safiyyah: western digital are what I usually buy for reliability :P
[17:53] <Safiyyah> Popey sais something that got my brain ticking
[17:54] <Azelphur> http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&sort=pricelow&limit=10&q=western+digital&filtermfr=15 shiny list :p
[17:54] <Safiyyah> I should get an SSD, then use the normal HDD for further storage... usually just media, but my main data source etc would be stable
[17:54] <Azelphur> yea, I very nearly recommended that
[17:54] <Azelphur> SSDs are more reliable and faster
[17:54] <jpds> Safiyyah: SSD drives can die too.
[17:54] <Azelphur> ^ that too though
[17:55] <jpds> I know someone who had 3 fail in about 3 months.
[17:55] <Safiyyah> jpds:  raining  on my parade.... OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:55] <Safiyyah> 3 months?????????
[17:55] <popey> i know someone who has never had an ssd fail
[17:55] <jpds> Safiyyah: No, that's just British weather.
[17:55] <popey> you're not going to base your purchasing decisions on either one of those statements are you?
[17:55] <Safiyyah> so there is no solution, it's the luck of the draw?
[17:56] <directhex> Safiyyah, yes, it's luck - assuming good ventillation
[17:56] <popey> they are devics
[17:56] <popey> devices fail
[17:56] <directhex> hot hard drives die, regardless of brand
[17:56] <shauno> mechanical devices especially so
[17:56] <Safiyyah> directhex, we said my HDD drives died of too good ventilation
[17:56] <Safiyyah> :P
[17:57] <Safiyyah> popey you guys know more than I do, so I didnt come here to debate HDD.... came ask seriously
[17:57] <popey> i understand that
[17:58] <popey> maybe do a bit of research, dunno
[17:58]  * hamitron goes with lots of mechanical hdd
[17:58] <Safiyyah> hamitron, yeah with 7tb i have nothing today
[17:58] <hamitron> loads of storage space, and you can afford more drives for the same money :)
[17:59] <Safiyyah> 500gb is more than plenty for me!
[17:59] <directhex> get a nice affordable 960gb pcie ssd
[17:59] <hamitron> well, it allows backup
[17:59] <hamitron> :)
[17:59] <hamitron> haha directhex
[18:00] <Azelphur> Safiyyah: you don't need to pay £80 for a 500GB drive that's crazy
[18:00] <hamitron> £30
[18:00] <hamitron> :)
[18:00] <hamitron> well, maybe £35
[18:00] <hamitron> but around there
[18:00] <popey> its not a standard 500G drive
[18:00] <hamitron> oh, the hybrid one?
[18:01] <popey> ya
[18:01] <Safiyyah> i dont actually get hybrid
[18:01] <Safiyyah> so basically is it more reliable?
[18:01] <popey> Safiyyah: i am currently in the process of wiping some disks
[18:01] <popey> I will happily send you one for nothing
[18:01] <popey> 250G any good to you?
[18:01] <Safiyyah> sure, are you serious?
[18:01] <popey> yes
[18:01] <Safiyyah> I would really appreciate it
[18:02] <popey> pm me your address and I'll try to get to the post office tomorrow
[18:02] <popey> i was going to put them on freecycle
[18:02] <Safiyyah> lol
[18:02] <Safiyyah> 250 old school HDD might be more stable than this new ish
[18:02] <popey> oh hang on
[18:02] <popey> SATA or PATA?
[18:03] <Safiyyah> SATA is what I have
[18:03] <popey> ok, i only have 200G SATA
[18:03] <popey> or 250G PATA
[18:04] <Safiyyah> I have never used PATA, don't know what it is
[18:04] <popey> IDE
[18:04] <popey> the older interface with 40 pins
[18:04] <popey> Parallel ATA as opposed to Serial ATA
[18:04] <Safiyyah> my motherboard doesn't even have an IDE pin
[18:04] <Safiyyah> from what I remember
[18:04] <popey> ok, so is 200G any good to you?
[18:04] <Safiyyah> yes thanks
[18:04] <popey> ok
[18:04] <Safiyyah> send them both
[18:04] <popey> will package up and post tomorrow if I can find a box
[18:05] <Safiyyah> it really is becoming a case of old is better
[18:05] <popey> hah
[18:05] <hamitron> it certainly is
[18:05] <hamitron> :)
[18:05] <popey> this comes with no guarantee :D
[18:05] <Safiyyah> none of my IDE (PATA HDD ever died
[18:05] <hamitron> popey: you can offer a full refund though?
[18:05] <hamitron> ;)
[18:05] <popey> hah
[18:05] <Safiyyah> lol
[18:06] <Safiyyah> I guess I will eagerly await the parcel on wed or Thursday then
[18:06] <shauno> I've had plenty of ide drives die.  drives simply split into two camps.  those that have failed, and those that are going to
[18:07] <Safiyyah> I really appreciate it truely
[18:07] <hamitron> I have a 80Mb IDE drive that works 24/7, still strong
[18:07] <hamitron> :)
[18:07] <Safiyyah> yeah am regretting giving away my old IDEs
[18:07] <hamitron> well, I say strong.... I mean works
[18:07] <Safiyyah> but popey will revive that now
[18:08] <hamitron> ;/
[18:08] <shauno> heh.  I had an 80Mb that failed.  bummed me out, because I could only afford to replace it with 40 at the time
[18:08] <hamitron> :\
[18:08] <Safiyyah> So shauno, you bought 40 and when you got money you bought another new one?
[18:08] <shauno> nah, it stayed like that till I got my next machine
[18:09] <shauno> that was my first linux box tho :)  32Mb root, 4.5Mb swap :)
[18:10] <hamitron> those were teh days :)
[18:10] <hamitron> when things were fun
[18:11] <shauno> pft.  that was never fun
[18:11] <hamitron> :-o
[18:11] <Safiyyah> this hybrid sure looks interesting
[18:11] <hamitron> I've heard mixed views on that hybrid
[18:12] <hamitron> personally, I don't consider SSD old enough tech for me to get
[18:12] <hamitron> :)
[18:12] <popey> i love my ssds
[18:12] <popey> not sure I'd go back to HDD in laptops/desktops
[18:12] <shauno> heh, ditto
[18:12] <hamitron> you look at the prices, and they are falling each month so much
[18:12] <hamitron> :/
[18:13] <hamitron> I admit they are better ofc
[18:13] <hamitron> :)
[18:13] <hamitron> I like to argue, but can't arguement against their performance
[18:13] <hamitron> ;/
[18:13] <shauno> it'd be fun to setup a business to market to hamilton
[18:13] <hamitron> argue even
[18:13] <popey> shauno: a business in the past?
[18:13] <shauno> buy in ssds, stick them in a shoebox under my desk until they're dusty, and then he'll buy 'em :)
[18:14] <hamitron> haha
[18:14] <hamitron> so long as the value drops 99%, sure
[18:14] <hamitron> ;)
[18:15] <hamitron> I can place some pre-orders now if that is the case
[18:15] <Safiyyah> popey what have SSDs given you personally that you are hooked
[18:15] <popey> speed
[18:15] <hamitron> can I just ask.... what uses that speed?
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> They gave you amphetamines (speed)?
[18:16] <popey> anything that does IO
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: starting programs, browser cache(!)
[18:16] <popey> s/anything/everything
[18:16] <hamitron> so £100 to save a few ms?
[18:16] <shauno> I was amazed how much difference it makes.  my laptop goes from powered off to running firefox, quicker than my work laptop can launch firefox at all
[18:16]  * MartijnVdS is considering an SSD for his new machine.. next year when Ivy Bridge is out
[18:17] <popey> hamitron: no
[18:17] <popey> if it were a few ms then that would be insane
[18:18] <hamitron> would it not be more cost effective to just have more RAM, then cache the regular stuff?
[18:18] <popey> no
[18:18] <popey> plus this machine is full of RAM
[18:18] <popey> can't get any more in it
[18:18] <hamitron> :/
[18:19] <popey> 8GB on laptop, 8GB in desktop
[18:19] <popey> 3GB in other laptop which can't take anymore
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: you rich man you :)
[18:19] <Safiyyah> sorry so popey, can i ask ..... on a ubuntu user who have documents, pics, video and virtual box as the main bloaters (me)
[18:20] <Safiyyah> I am seriously thinking an SSD for root and home and then bang all the media on the ones you send me
[18:20] <popey> s/ones/one/
[18:20] <shauno> that's pretty much what I do
[18:20] <popey> yup, same here
[18:20] <hamitron> I do too
[18:20] <hamitron> :)
[18:21] <directhex> i will do it when someone mails me a couple of hundred quid and i buy myself an ssd
[18:21] <hamitron> apart from I am cheap and have a 80Gb hdd (non-SSD)
[18:21] <hamitron> ;)
[18:21] <shauno> music on an ssd is a waste of money, as long as they come off the disk in less than the 3-5 minutes it takes to play them, I won't notice.
[18:21] <Safiyyah> hamitron i work on my PC, the irregularity with crashes recently has disrupted my work heavily
[18:21] <Safiyyah> even though money is tight
[18:21] <Safiyyah> I need to consider a small SSD
[18:22] <Safiyyah> (which might still fail) but better op of not it seems
[18:22] <hamitron> and regular backups
[18:22] <hamitron> ;)
[18:22] <Safiyyah> i do back up
[18:22] <hamitron> :/
[18:22] <Safiyyah> I haven't lost any data
[18:22] <hamitron> good :D
[18:22] <Safiyyah> just lost a working system
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> you will eventually, if you don't do backups
[18:22] <directhex> backups are for scared little children
[18:23] <hamitron> haha directhex
[18:23] <directhex> real grown-ups just nfs-export /, and then the cloud magically backs up their data!
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I like being a scare little kid then.
[18:23] <Safiyyah> backups are for people with important info on their HDD
[18:23]  * hamitron is a scared little child who has already lost a lot of stuff
[18:23] <Safiyyah> maybe you only have games!
[18:23] <directhex> let my data BURN
[18:23] <hamitron> games are important
[18:23] <hamitron> :/
[18:23] <Safiyyah> sorry to ask a silly question
[18:24]  * hamitron opens games more than work files
[18:24] <Safiyyah> but how to SSDs connect to the motherboard.... are they SATA?
[18:24] <hamitron> most are, yes
[18:24] <popey> yes
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> some are PCIE
[18:26] <hamitron> yep
[18:26]  * hamitron wants a USB 3.0 one
[18:26] <Safiyyah> which company, Kingston, Crucial,  OCZ or Corsair?
[18:27] <hamitron> depends what special offers they have on
[18:27] <hamitron> ;)
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: none are better/worse than others?
[18:27]  * MartijnVdS doesn't trust "OCZ".. they market to overclockers :)
[18:27] <popey> yes, they differ wildly
[18:28] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/237098
[18:28] <popey> i have two of those in my desktop
[18:28] <hamitron> they are the sort I'd get
[18:28] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/239663
[18:28] <popey> and one of those in my minecraft server laptop :D
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: anything special for your FS? Does linux do "TRIM" automagically?
[18:29] <popey> I have just got a default install
[18:29] <hamitron> popey: your minecraft server has a better drive than any of my comps
[18:29] <hamitron> :D
[18:29] <popey> hah
[18:30] <hamitron> I guess I can conclude I don't invest heavily in storage
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you add "discard" to the mount options in /etc/fstab?
[18:30] <hamitron> ;/
[18:30] <popey> no
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: if you add that, the kernel will notify the SSD that parts are unused and can be reclaimed/used in load balancing
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> (wear leveling)
[18:31] <popey> nice
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: see the mount(8) manpage
[18:31] <hamitron> ouuuu http://www.ebuyer.com/product/268239
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: you can add it to the default mount options using tune2fs -o
[18:32]  * hamitron cracks open his piggy bank
[18:33] <Safiyyah> this is the best deal i have found http://www.ebuyer.com/product/225415
[18:34] <popey> cannot believe how hard it is to get new ram into an eee 1008HA
[18:34] <popey> you have to practically dismantle the entire laptop
[18:35] <directhex> popey, i had trouble likle that dismantling wifey's acer aspire one
[18:35] <directhex> broke it on the way, sadly
[18:35] <popey> oops
[18:35] <popey> I think I am gonna skip this
[18:35] <popey> its bonkers
[18:36] <popey> Safiyyah: looks like a nice deal
[18:36] <hamitron> or this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/261846
[18:36] <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/5hqeos
[18:36] <czajkowski> wow
[18:36] <hamitron> but I dunno which is better
[18:36] <hamitron> ;)
[18:37] <popey> look at the read / write iops
[18:37] <popey> czajkowski: london in "is busy" non-shocker :D
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: not access time?
[18:37] <czajkowski> popey: trains not working
[18:37] <czajkowski> shocker IN HEAT
[18:37] <czajkowski> or SNOW
[18:37] <popey> MartijnVdS: that too
[18:37] <czajkowski> or RAIN
[18:37] <czajkowski> or LEAVES
[18:37] <czajkowski> when do they exactly work ?
[18:37] <czajkowski> :)
[18:37] <Safiyyah> SATA III would require new SATA cables or new motherboard I take it
[18:37]  * popey packs czajkowski back on a plane to dublin
[18:38] <czajkowski> popey: monday week
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: or a plug-in sata card (pcie)
[18:38] <directhex> Safiyyah, both!
[18:38] <czajkowski> may not come back wish will be granted then
[18:38] <popey> hah
[18:38] <directhex> Safiyyah, although you can use a sata3 drive on sata2, in slow-speed mode
[18:38] <hamitron> czajkowski: it is only "the wrong type of rain" ;/
[18:38] <Safiyyah> something about that picture, you can almost smell the heat and sweat
[18:39] <hamitron> how long will a SSD live?
[18:39] <hamitron> typically I mean
[18:39] <directhex> hamitron, "some years".
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: if you enable the "discard" option, it should be "long enough"
[18:39] <directhex> hamitron, depends on how much you use it, basically
[18:40] <hamitron> say 10 writes per day
[18:40] <hamitron> ;)
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: that's not a lot
[18:40] <hamitron> ok :)
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: as one sector write is 2kb :)
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> so.. 20kb?
[18:41] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: I was meaning 10 writes on the same part of the disk
[18:41] <Safiyyah> do you have  buy a bracket to help it hold in a PC case?
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: no they come in standard 3.5 and 2.5" sizes
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: if you want to mount a 2.5" disk in a 3.5" case, you need an adapter brakcet
[18:41] <directhex> Safiyyah, an ssd? if you have no 2.5" mounts, and buy a 25" drive, then yes
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> but most PC stores have adapter brackets
[18:42] <popey> all my SSDs came with brackets
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> even better!
[18:42] <Safiyyah> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004APRLTY/sr=8-15/qid=1309196378/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1309196378&sr=8-15&seller=
[18:43] <Safiyyah> did you buy from ebuyer popey?
[18:43] <popey> yes
[18:43] <hamitron> that kingston is slow :/
[18:43] <hamitron> by SSD standards
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> SATA3 is backwards compatible
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> you can attach sata3 devices to a sata1/2 bus and it'll work
[18:43] <hamitron> Safiyyah: I tend to place 6-8 orders per month from ebuyer.com
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> not at top speed, but it'll work
[18:44] <directhex> popey, wifey's one didn't. packaging was barely bigger than a blu-ray case
[18:44] <hamitron> just dunno if it is worth getting SATA600 over SATA300 :/
[18:44] <popey> heh
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: for SSD it is
[18:44] <Safiyyah> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/225804 is this good?
[18:44] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: even if a comp only has sata300?
[18:44] <popey> can you get sata600 pcie cards?
[18:45] <Safiyyah> or stick to the curcica?
[18:45] <Safiyyah> corsair* i mean
[18:45] <hamitron> popey: yes, need a PCIe 4x slot I believe
[18:45] <popey> golly
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: yes, you'll just use sata300 speed
[18:46] <Safiyyah> how can the SATA III be slower to write? I don't get it http://www.ebuyer.com/product/225804
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: if you later upgrade to sata600 on both controller and device (and cable) you'll get the faster speed
[18:47] <directhex> Safiyyah, it's not. it's a coincidence, because they changed the memory chips they use
[18:47] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: but I mean, when i get another device, may want a new drive? ;)
[18:48] <Safiyyah> okay which do I buy this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/225804 or this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/261846
[18:48] <hamitron> I'd have to get this one: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/268239
[18:48] <Safiyyah> final 2
[18:48] <Safiyyah> :)
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: sure, but you can upgrade parts separately
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: is what I'm trying to say
[18:48] <hamitron> Safiyyah: out of them 2, I'd get the Corsair
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: Arrr! :)
[18:49] <hamitron> :D
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> "I'd get me the corsair, matey! Arrr!"
[18:49] <hamitron> ;)
[18:49] <hamitron> Safiyyah: but maybe worth an extra 15 quid to get sata3?
[18:49] <Safiyyah> hamitron am still a girl who gets confused
[18:50] <Safiyyah> not for 15 quid
[18:50] <hamitron> 50% increase in speed if you put it in a new comp
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: nothing to do with being a girl, afaik
[18:50] <Safiyyah> MartijnVdS:  I meant I had brought the list down to 2 and he added a third one - still a girl with that
[18:50] <Safiyyah> dont confuse the girl!
[18:50] <Safiyyah> lol
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> OK :)
[18:51] <hamitron> I suppose there is something else to consider.....
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Now I'm looking at computer parts again.. I promised myself I wouldn't until Ivy Bridge got released
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> :|
[18:51] <Safiyyah> wth is Ivy Bridge?
[18:51] <hamitron> do the SSD with slower write speeds, last longer?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: it's the next generation of Intel CPU/GPUs
[18:51] <Safiyyah> hamitron v good question!
[18:52] <Safiyyah> no more pentiums?
[18:52] <Safiyyah> wow!
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: Supposed to come out Q1 2012
[18:52] <Safiyyah> well I will probably get one 2 years after it comes out
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: well, they'll still be called "i3", "i5", "i7" etc. probably, like Sandy Bridge is now
[18:52] <Safiyyah> so let me know how fanstastic they are
[18:53] <hamitron> Safiyyah: and you can let me know after you got one
[18:53] <hamitron> ;)
[18:53] <hamitron> once they're down to £20
[18:53] <Safiyyah> Sandy bridge... listen, the only processors I know are Intel Quads, Celerons and Am... I cant remember the other one
[18:53] <Safiyyah> lol
[18:53] <Safiyyah> hamitron lololololol
[18:53] <hamitron> anyways, I think I have a plate of food with my name on it
[18:53] <hamitron> so bbl
[18:54] <hamitron> :)
[18:54]  * hamitron won over
[18:54] <Safiyyah> hamitron you just had to go and confused me! arrgghhhh
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: Sandy Bridge = this year's set, IB = Next year's set :)
[18:54] <hamitron> sorry, I ask too many questions
[18:54] <hamitron> :/
[18:54] <hamitron> o/
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: these are the generation after "Core 2 Duo" which you might have heard of
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: </boring> :)
[18:55] <Safiyyah> lol MartijnVdS  so how many name brand clothes are in your wardrobe? OR you only spend money on PC parts
[18:55] <Safiyyah> maybe the car too....
[18:55] <Safiyyah> I have a duo core
[18:56] <Safiyyah> so Sandy Bridge is a Quad Core?
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: good points... :)
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: often, but not always -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: some are 6-core, and the low-end (cheap) models 2-core
[18:57] <Safiyyah> okay so you have a 6 core?
[18:57] <Safiyyah> and is the best company still intel?
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: no, I have last year's cheap model, dual-core i3
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: imho, intel is still the best. AMD is currently in "follow Intel" mode :(
[18:58] <Safiyyah> rofl I think my processor is the same age as my daughter
[18:58] <Safiyyah> lol
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> I liked it when they were really head to head
[18:58] <Safiyyah> I build a new machine and just transfer it over
[18:58] <Safiyyah> I have changed my boards, CD drives and RAM
[18:58] <Safiyyah> same processor
[18:58] <Safiyyah> and even then I changed them because they had died, the only nonessential was I had to have the thermostat case
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> thermostat case? automatic fan controllers etc.?
[18:59] <Safiyyah> http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/
[19:00] <Safiyyah> thermals take
[19:00] <Safiyyah> yeah better circulation more fans, easier to clean, less dust, easier to clean dust out especially without opening it
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a bunch of good ideas
[19:01] <Safiyyah> http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Products.aspx?C=1314
[19:01] <Safiyyah> I went for the Saprano range, got it for #40-45 quid about a year and a few months ago
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> "The Sopranos" 8-)
[19:02]  * MartijnVdS has a .. Gigabyte something-or-other case
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> don't know really
[19:02] <Safiyyah> the whole thing is just more dust free, easier to clean the dust offm and the front comes off so you can hoover it without opening the case
[19:02] <Safiyyah> so I can just do it when I am cleaning the rest of the house
[19:03] <Safiyyah> thhat why we were joking that my HDD are dying from excellent circulation
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> It's TOO CLEAN
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> it can't handle it!
[19:03] <Safiyyah> ROFL
[19:08] <shauno> hm, Azelphur went quiet.  he didn't spend too long in his server closet did he?
[19:09] <Azelphur> still alive
[19:09] <Azelphur> that AC is kickass I must say, it's brought the room temp right down
[19:09] <Azelphur> my bedroom is way hotter than the server room now
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: have fun sleeping later ...
[19:09] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[19:09] <shauno> shaun's guide to heat waves; turn the cluster off, and bring the AC into your room :)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> shauno: !language :P
[19:14] <Safiyyah> okay i ordered the HDD, on priority mail, am broke but more days am out of work more days am not making money
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> Safiyyah: uhrm.. aren't there more important things than new hard disks? :)
[19:16] <Safiyyah> lol well when your home comp is your source of income and it is dead
[19:16] <Safiyyah> it can become a priority
[19:16] <Safiyyah> lol
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> OK, agreed :)
[19:20] <Safiyyah> I am going to watch the prime ministers questions,
[19:20] <Safiyyah> thank you for helping me get a SSD today
[19:21] <Safiyyah> and thanxs again popey
[19:27] <daubers1> Evening
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> windaub: how's your experiment progressing?
[19:44] <windaub> MartijnVdS: Starting to get in my way a bit now :(
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> windaub: what day are you on?
[19:47] <windaub> .... 18 I think
[19:47] <windaub> Something around that
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> "I paid good money for that windows license, I'm going to use it!"
[19:47] <windaub> Luckily, it doesn't stop the ice cream maker working \o/
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> \o/ ice cream
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Looks like we're getting a 200 discharges/5 minutes thunderstorm tomorrow
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> :\
[20:15] <StevenR> ok. So,... I'd like my laptop to link to various calendars and pop up reminders. I'd like to have something just start when I log in, and sit in the tray or notification area. At this stage, I don't want email as well
[20:16] <StevenR> (calendars include various ones linked to my gmail, and ideally work's outlook calendar too)
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: configure it in Evolution, you don't have to configure its email bits
[20:19] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: can it hide off in the background?
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: yes, and it integrates with the clock
[20:24] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: hmmm. how do I make it sync with outlook (I've only got OWA at home)
[20:24] <StevenR> and it's OWA 2010 at that :S
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> as long as it's >'07 it's good
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> evolution-exchange is the package you want
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> You can add a new account from the preferences screen I think?
[20:28] <StevenR> The server is running Exchange 5.5. Exchange Connector
[20:28] <StevenR> supports Microsoft Exchange 2000 and 2003 only.
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea about versions
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> except that we have '07 at work and it works fine
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> (for MS versions of "fine")
[20:30] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: is that via mapi?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea, sorry. I just used evolution-exchange and put in the https:// URL to OWA
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> the rest was automagic
[20:31] <StevenR> ok
[20:31] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: what release? (lucid? natty?)
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> natty
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> or did I just put in the OWA server name and it detected https? could also be that.
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> something like that anyway
[20:43] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: hmm. still doesn't seem to work. I'll keep it in mind when I update this laptop to natty. Thanks :)
[21:01] <shauno> I appear to be missing something here.  http://www.onlylinuxgames.com/onlive/
[21:02] <shauno> short version: the first line is "Requires: VMWare 7.1.3 & copy of Windows 7"
[21:02] <shauno> by that measure, we sure do have a lot of linux games :)
[21:03] <dwatkins> heh
[21:03] <directhex> onlive takes that further, given you aren't even playing games with it
[21:03] <directhex> the games run remotely, you're just running a video client & input relay
[21:04] <shauno> funky
[21:36] <andylockran> howdy all
[21:37] <BigRedS> good morning!
[21:38] <andylockran> BigRedS: what's new?
[21:39] <BigRedS> andylockran: I'm flitting between about six or seven projects, I've no idea what's going on :)
[21:39] <BigRedS> you?
[21:40]  * AlanBell is liking the Ubuntu mono font
[21:41]  * popey wonders what other tests to perform on this MeeNee laptop
[21:43] <hamitron> popey: minecraft?
[21:43] <popey> ooo, good call
[21:44] <BigRedS> haha
[21:44] <ali1234> does online have a free demo section?
[21:45] <ali1234> *onlive
[21:45] <ali1234> are they even in the UK yet?
[21:45] <dimas_> i am using ubuntu 11.04 and i am reading some instructions to configure my user account but i dont know how....the instructions says this: lets make sure your user account has audio group membership. You can do this in the Ubuntu System menu by selecting Users and Groups from the Administration menu and clicking the Manage Groups button. Choose audio and make sure the check-box is selected.
[21:45] <AlanBell> dimas_: what problem are you trying to solve?
[21:46] <popey> http://idjc.sourceforge.net/install_first_run.html
[21:46] <popey> probably
[21:46] <dimas_> connect a streamer application to  a jack (sound system)
[21:47] <ali1234> dimas_: canonical decided to remove that menu cos it's too complicated
[21:47] <ali1234> dimas_: instead you should click on the dash and then type in "users and groups" and then you will get the same thing
[21:47] <ali1234> dimas_: don't ask me how you're supposed to figure that out if you don't already know, though
[21:48] <hamitron> ali1234: now now, there is technically nothing there to confuse the user ;)
[21:48] <dimas_> click on the dash?
[21:48] <ali1234> it's that thing in the top left hand corner
[21:48] <brobostigon> dimas_: the thingie in the top right hand corner.
[21:49] <ali1234> LEFT
[21:49] <popey> thats not the dash
[21:49] <brobostigon> let*
[21:49] <brobostigon> left*
[21:49] <popey> thats the BFB
[21:49] <popey> the big f button
[21:49] <ali1234> what is the dash then?
[21:49] <popey> the thing that appears
[21:49] <popey> after you press the button
[21:49]  * hamitron points
[21:49] <ali1234> lol
[21:49] <ali1234> totally not confusing at all, right guys? right?
[21:49]  * popey shrugs
[21:49] <ali1234> btw what does BAMF stand for in the context of unity?
[21:49] <popey> "press the button in the corner"
[21:50] <ali1234> i keep seeing it everywhere on packages
[21:50] <popey> is what I would have said
[21:50] <hamitron> in all seriousness, I am not confused ;)
[21:50] <popey> anyway.
[21:50] <hamitron> too hot :/
[21:50] <andylockran> :)
[21:50] <andylockran> I'm toasty :)
[21:50] <hamitron> when will the tornado hit to cool me down?
[21:50] <popey> hamitron: it runs minecraft
[21:50] <hamitron> :/
[21:50] <popey> slowly
[21:51] <popey> 3fps
[21:51] <hamitron> popey: next test, run bitcoin miner alongside it
[21:51] <hamitron> run for 3 hours
[21:51] <hamitron> and see if it still lives
[21:52] <hamitron> you must also stand it on the crown jewels throughout this test, to ensure heat is not a problem
[21:52] <hamitron> \o/
[21:52] <popey> bless
[21:52] <popey> Atom N455
[21:52] <hamitron> thorough testing
[21:52] <hamitron> :D
[21:52] <hamitron> or thrashing
[21:57] <popey> chaps
[21:58] <popey> CSD T56SY320
[21:58] <popey> thats not a hard disk is it?
[21:58] <popey> i am only finding lots of stuff in chinese
[21:59] <popey> is it some kind of flash drive
[21:59] <jpds> Thank you Google Translate.
[22:04]  * Azelphur just tried a cool wikihow tip
[22:05] <Azelphur> soak tshirt in cold water > wear tshirt > sit in front of desk fan > you are now cold. \o/
[22:05] <bigcalm> Just how sweating works
[22:05] <brobostigon> quite bigcalm :)
[22:08] <shauno> wet t-shirts smell better tho :)
[22:09] <Azelphur> haha
[22:11] <czajkowski> *sigh(
[22:11] <czajkowski> evening
[22:11] <shauno> howdy
[22:16] <bigcalm> Hi czajkowski
[22:16] <czajkowski> bigcalm: hi
[22:17] <bigcalm> What's causing the sigh tonight?
[22:18] <czajkowski> reading material
[22:18] <bigcalm> You shouldn't be sighing with oggcamp so close at hand :D
[22:19] <czajkowski> http://www.spine-health.com/treatment/back-surgery/lumbar-decompression-back-surgery
[22:19] <bigcalm> :(
[22:21] <dwatkins> czajkowski: eek, I've just been looking up information about my back problems
[22:27] <andylockran> guys - it's legal to use any XP iso isn't it - providing you have a correct product key?
[22:27] <andylockran> need to reinstall a client's PC.. but they came with no install media.
[22:28] <zleap> hmm
[22:28] <andylockran> and I change jobs at the end of the week so not got time left to request a CD from MS.
[22:28] <zleap> don't you have to make your own these days
[22:28] <Azelphur> andylockran: I'm not sure, I think in America it's a DMCA violation
[22:28] <andylockran> ah, ok.
[22:28] <shauno> andylockran: I believe it's kosher, as long as it's the right one (eg, pro, home, blah blah blah)
[22:29] <shauno> you buy a license, not a chunk of plastic
[22:30] <andylockran> kewl. ok - cheers guys
[22:30] <shauno> (with the usual disclaimers, not a lawyer, etc :)
[22:32] <czajkowski> popey: ROFLOL!!!!
[22:32] <popey> ?
[22:32] <czajkowski> popey: comment on ml
[22:32] <popey> oh ☹
[22:32] <czajkowski> given who lives on the island
[22:34] <czajkowski> not sure folks get the difference in LUGS, LoCos and language teams though
[22:34] <popey> what difference?
[22:34] <czajkowski> their purpose
[22:35] <czajkowski> ok reading back material is scaring me
[22:35] <czajkowski> so not reading any more before tomorrow
[22:35] <popey> How to LUGs and LoCos differ in their purpose (aside from being specific to one distro)?
[22:35] <czajkowski> that's a big difference at least IMO
[22:36] <czajkowski> a lug prmotes lots of stuff
[22:36] <czajkowski> locos specifically only Ubuntu and focuses more on a community
[22:36] <czajkowski> again just mo
[22:37] <popey> I said _aside_ from locos being specific to ubuntu?
[22:37] <popey> I dont see that much difference
[22:40] <andylockran> talking shops. :p
[22:40] <andylockran> and a place for flamers :)
[22:41] <andylockran> and /me - offering self-perpetuating analysis
[22:44] <andylockran>  /join #echo-chamber
[22:49] <czajkowski> popey: I find mannerisms very different
[22:50] <czajkowski> popey: locos more welcoming and open to helping more say for example on irc
[22:50] <popey> ah thats people
[22:50] <czajkowski> lugs tend to be a bit more crude, and some are not
[22:50] <popey> yeah, I agree
[22:50] <popey> but thats almost certainly 98% due to the code of conduct
[22:50] <czajkowski> yes which I think is a great thing
[22:50] <popey> not that its a stick to bash people with
[22:51] <czajkowski> also people in locos tend not to flame as much (depends on lists)
[22:51] <popey> just that it makes people realise that their doofish behaviour is unwanted
[22:51] <popey> hahahaha
[22:51] <popey> O RLY
[22:51] <czajkowski> lugs tend to derail and go mine is better than yours syndrome
[22:51] <popey> Ok, I see where you're coming from
[22:51] <czajkowski> I said depends on lists!
[22:52] <czajkowski> I find locos more focused and willing to help new users which is great and why I got involved in Ubuntu over other distros
[22:52] <popey> My point was more that if ubuntu got _so_ big that the UK team (lets take uk only here) was so overpopulated we needed a better way to manage it
[22:52] <czajkowski> for me thats what made the difference
[22:52] <czajkowski> popey: indeed
[22:52] <popey> i would think that a county or city level loco within the loco would suit
[22:52] <popey> and I dont think we're far from that now
[22:52] <popey> i.e. I think I could muster 10-20 people in the farnborough/aldershot/farnham area alone to come to an ubuntu event
[22:52] <czajkowski> indeed as long as those countys/citys don't go down a lug route
[22:52] <popey> and thats just 2 towns
[22:53] <czajkowski> as in 15 members 2 ubuntu if you get me
[22:53] <popey> no, I am not suggesting that
[22:53] <czajkowski> perhaps it's me not being clear which tends to happen when I talk to you :(
[22:53] <popey> I am specifically saying people who are already in the loco
[22:53] <popey> no, we're talking at different purposes
[22:53] <popey> forget lugs
[22:53] <popey> forget they exist
[22:53] <czajkowski> ok
[22:53] <popey> just think about locos
[22:53] <popey> think about the number of people and how to manage that number as it gets bigger
[22:54] <popey> they're still "Ubuntu" people
[22:54] <popey> but they might want something more local
[22:54]  * popey shrugs
[22:54] <popey> dunno
[22:54] <czajkowski> nope all valid points
[22:55] <czajkowski> we had to do similar back home, it's unfortunate it only really works well in dublin and to a smaller but still to some degree in the other 3 cities, if only 5 people turn up there we're happy
[22:55] <popey> yeah, you need critical mass
[22:55] <czajkowski> but we got the college students and hacker spaces involved but we will never ever go down the road of a dublin limierkck cork  loco
[22:55] <czajkowski> just wouldnt work out
[22:55] <shauno> I was gonna say, we make a great comparison.  not so many people go from galway/limerick/cork to a dublin meet
[22:55] <AlanBell> local events all over the place should work fine
[22:57] <czajkowski> for a small country we do pretty well imo, yes a lot of stuff happens in dublin, mainly as most it jobs as there but also more people willing to meet up, limerick events are happening but also depend on college but the hacker space there has helped as has Galways
[22:57] <AlanBell> in terms of sub-teams the whole southwest thing doesn't make sense, however there is a much stronger argument in favour of wales as a team
[22:57] <shauno> galway's hackerspace is homeless now.  and the galway lug died a silent death a while back
[22:58]  * BigRedS grumbles about devolution :)
[22:58]  * popey grumbles about people wanting fifedoms
[22:58] <czajkowski> shauno: how did the galway hackerspace become homeless
[22:59] <czajkowski> never knew there was a lug it's always been ILUG and CLUG
[22:59] <shauno> my understanding was that they were in a commercial space that was being rented on very favorable terms until a 'real tennant' came along
[22:59] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[23:00] <czajkowski> shauno:  we do a lot considering our size tbh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IrishTeamReApprovalApplication  that's just in the past 2 years.
[23:00] <shauno> so while it was a fantastic space, it had that hanging over their head since day 1.  and the inevitable came
[23:00] <czajkowski> but they never had a plan B
[23:00] <czajkowski> :(
[23:00] <czajkowski> shame
[23:01] <shauno> they're still going.  they're just homeless.  so while there's still very regular meetups, they've lost something very valuable.  hackerspace with no space :/
[23:01] <czajkowski> nods
[23:02] <czajkowski> taken milklabs a while to find a home
[23:02] <czajkowski> and they've been working on it wow almost a year
[23:03] <shauno> I can see a valid use for hyper-local groups tho.  it'd be interesting to see if anyone can manage it without fragmentation
[23:05] <shauno> eg, having meetups in cork makes a lot of sense to them.  having a cork loco, not so much.  I think locos just need to recognise that not everyone lives in dublin/london/etc and make that effort
[23:06] <AlanBell> so I tried contacting the computing societies of oxford, cambridge and a couple of london universities telling them I had free CDs to give them
[23:06] <AlanBell> no reply
[23:07] <AlanBell> and I am staggered by the number of universities I found with no computing society at all
[23:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye we work directly with the student, over here most colleges have clubs and socs, and a few haev computer socs, UL Skynet where I'm from DCU redbrick and so forth, we mail them and ask them do they want some and we either send them or they get collected
[23:08] <czajkowski> AlanBell: most of the college student servers in skynet run Ubuntu :D
[23:08] <AlanBell> yeah, cambridge uses ubuntu apparently
[23:08] <czajkowski> AlanBell: worked well then when we wanted to have talks.
[23:08] <czajkowski> they provided the venue and we sorted the talks
[23:08] <AlanBell> would love to do that
[23:09] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well everyone,
[23:10] <AlanBell> I spent a few hours last week going through university websites trying to find computer society contact details
[23:11] <AlanBell> most of them seem to be non-existent or abandoned
[23:14] <czajkowski> hard to know really
[23:14] <czajkowski> works well for 1 team may not work well for another
[23:14] <hamitron> considering universities are for studying, a lot there are lazy bastards ;/
[23:15] <hamitron> people
[23:19] <shauno> had to explain to HazRPG what the old grey whistle test was :/  thanks for making me feel old man
[23:20] <AlanBell> http://www.upsu.net/activities/societies/atoz computer games, but not computers
[23:21] <AlanBell> I am doing something wrong
[23:21] <AlanBell> I pick a uni, go to the student union thing, find the list of societies, fail to find anything relevant
[23:22] <AlanBell> I can't even find an iPad owners club or some such
[23:22] <czajkowski> AlanBell: maybe they dont one
[23:22] <czajkowski> not all the unis here do
[23:23] <AlanBell> there are a few like this http://users.cs.cf.ac.uk/CSS/v3/home.php looks great, but all dated 2005
[23:25] <shauno> perhaps they simply don't exist anymore?  most the people at uni now likely grew up with a computer.  it's not something special anymore
[23:25] <AlanBell> I am coming to that conclusion
[23:27] <shauno> I mean, if you're 20 now, windows 95 came out before you started school.  xp was before secondary school.
[23:28] <czajkowski> we developed this http://www.clubsandsocs.ul.ie/
[23:28] <shauno> the generation that grew up tinkering with bbc's and the 16bit micros have grey hair already
[23:29] <popey> Oi!
[23:29]  * popey sadly resembles that
[23:29] <popey> Oh oh! Must tell you
[23:29] <popey> I put a printer on freecycle today
[23:29] <popey> Guy turns up, grey long beard, sandles, dodgy t-shirt
[23:29] <popey> loaded printer into his car
[23:29] <popey> him: "So what do you do?"
[23:30] <popey> me: "Oh, IT Nerd, Linux, Ubuntu, that kind of thing"
[23:30] <popey> him: "Ah yes, Ubuntu. I picked up a CD from a computer fair in bracknell recently"
[23:30] <popey> (that would be from Alan Cocks ☺
[23:30] <popey> He's looking for a PHP developer to help him make some whacky website
[23:31] <popey> started telling me how you can run ubuntu inside windows. it was fascinating :D
[23:31] <czajkowski> hah deadly
[23:31] <czajkowski> :)
[23:31] <czajkowski> that's kinda cool
[23:42] <gord> everyone on irish tv is angry at each other about banks or something, so instead i'm watching batman!
[23:44] <shauno> heh.  if you were paying rediculous taxes to pay for a housing boom that burst before you even got here, you'd be angry at banks too.  but hey, batman \o/
[23:44] <gord> maybe ireland should do what batman does and punch people until the problem goes away
[23:45] <shauno> irish tv is the #1 reason I got cable :/
[23:45] <hamitron> I thought Ireland had low taxes?
[23:45] <hamitron> or is it just corperation tax?
[23:45] <shauno> the corporation tax is low.  which is lovely if you're a company.  does the rest of us not a jot of good
[23:46] <hamitron> what is the basic rate of tax?
[23:46] <hamitron> :/
[23:46] <shauno> well, it helps bring jobs & such. but it does my pay cheque not much good :)
[23:46] <hamitron> yeh
[23:46] <shauno> I tihnk it's somewhere roughly 20% income, and 21% vat
[23:46] <shauno> but they keep inventing new 'fees' and 'levies' that sit beside income tax as seperate beasties now
[23:46] <hamitron> similar to the UK then
[23:46] <hamitron> haha
[23:47] <hamitron> I swear they are all as bad as each other
[23:47] <shauno> the most I've paid on one pay cheque was 47% :(
[23:47] <hamitron> Mr Taxman (in whatever country), gets ya!
[23:47] <hamitron> :(
[23:48] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-June/247020.html
[23:48] <popey> wonder if I'll get a kicking for that
[23:49] <hamitron> haha
[23:49] <shauno> heh, nice photochop
[23:49] <hamitron> still loading
[23:49] <popey> i actually held the stickers up to my screen
[23:49] <hamitron> :/
[23:49] <popey> and took a photo with my phone
[23:49] <popey> and discovered a bug in ubuntu whilst I was at it
[23:49] <popey> everyone wins!
[23:49] <shauno> really?  that came out better than I'd have expected :)
[23:50] <popey> iphone :D
[23:50] <hamitron> have cananananical given up on geeks now?
[23:50] <popey> Yes
[23:50] <popey> The want to put them all in a field and set fire to them.
[23:50] <popey> or something
[23:51] <hamitron> I shall use that as an excuse for "acting" stupid then
[23:51] <hamitron> ;/
[23:51] <Laney> that'll be why the last few UDS hotels have mysteriously burned down
[23:51] <popey> haha
[23:51] <popey> was dave there?
[23:51] <popey> did he have his magic tabacco?
[23:52] <popey> By the way, my cat likes to tweet
[23:52] <hamitron> imo, they should sell ubuntu LTS in 1 packs, with stickers and goodies for £10
[23:52] <directhex> :O
[23:52] <hamitron> :D
[23:52] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/salempope
[23:52] <directhex> just read on engadget about a usb thumbdrive with a full-blown Sandforce SSD controller in it
[23:52]  * hamitron has no stickers
[23:53] <shauno> I used to get case badges from linuxemporium when I got my discs :)
[23:53] <hamitron> I'm always worried I'll just get a cdr
[23:54] <hamitron> I like pressed disks
[23:54] <hamitron> :)
[23:54] <shauno> I think they may have been cdr (with labels) at the time.  but when woody came on 14 disks, and I was on dialup, it was worth the money
[23:54] <hamitron> and glossy boxes
[23:54] <hamitron> yeh
[23:54] <hamitron> I used to buy disks from there
[23:55] <hamitron> but ubuntu ship-it sorta made me want nice disks
[23:55] <shauno> you're spoilt now :p
[23:55] <hamitron> I am a child that was given sweets, and they've been snatched off me
[23:55] <shauno> ps: http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=17
[23:55] <hamitron> and I feel like crying ;/
[23:56] <hamitron> omg, no 10.04 disks?
[23:56] <shauno> *thunk*
[23:56] <shauno> newflash man.  it's 2011 :p
[23:57] <hamitron> LTS are loads better
[23:57] <hamitron> got longer support
[23:57] <hamitron> ;)
[23:58] <shauno> odd, they have 10.04 server & kubuntu, but not desktop. makes me wonder if they simply sold 'em all ( / gave them all away)
[23:58] <hamitron> yeh
[23:58] <popey> run out I guess
[23:58] <hamitron> but they still only sell packs of 5
[23:59] <hamitron> if they sold me 1, with a bunch of goodie for the same price, I'd get it
[23:59] <hamitron> :)
[23:59] <shauno> you want a bunch of goodies for a fiver?
[23:59] <hamitron> just a pin badge or something
[23:59] <hamitron> :/
[23:59] <czajkowski> popey: nice stickers, did you get the rest of them in the booklets I left you to give away