| sn9 | some of those penguins are gay | 00:02 |
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| MarkDude | yep | 00:09 |
| === BrightAmbition is now known as EminemGirl | ||
| EminemGirl | Sorry i'm being anti-social | 01:15 |
| EminemGirl | hello all | 01:15 |
| grantbow | EminemGirl: greetings | 02:16 |
| MarkDude | Dangerous G - grantbow how goes it | 02:29 |
| MarkDude | ? | 02:29 |
| MarkDude | Nice seeing you the other night | 02:29 |
| EminemGirl | grantbow:Sorry i wasn't feeling that well so i was sleeping | 02:49 |
| grantbow | MarkDude: great | 02:57 |
| grantbow | EminemGirl: I hope you feel better | 02:57 |
| EminemGirl | thx | 02:58 |
| MarkDude | Ok they are showing the pride parade on TV | 06:31 |
| MarkDude | I think the rest of the country might freak the eff out if they saw some of it | 06:31 |
| MarkDude | Looks like it was a party | 06:31 |
| MarkDude | Awesome- gay angels and a rainbow cross | 06:39 |
| * MarkDude is watching it with Grandma | 06:40 | |
| TURKEYMAN21 | hi friends | 13:31 |
| TURKEYMAN21 | ????? | 13:32 |
| TURKEYMAN21 | girl | 13:33 |
| TURKEYMAN21 | you | 13:33 |
| TURKEYMAN21 | my male | 13:34 |
| TURKEYMAN21 | good bye friends | 13:34 |
| crashsystems | Are there any Perl devs in the channel who are looking for a job? I seem to recall seeing one a while ago. | 18:28 |
| seidos | i'm looking for an apprenticeship, and i've done some perl | 18:28 |
| seidos | do you have a job description crashsystems ? | 18:29 |
| crashsystems | https://www.whitehatsec.com/abt/careers.html not sure if we do apprenticeships or not. | 18:30 |
| seidos | i'm finding not many people do. the only apprenticeships i've found are in more construction oriented jobs. | 18:34 |
| seidos | there was an internship i applied to for syynlabs.com though | 18:35 |
| seidos | well, just looking at the description, i don't have a B.S. or M.S. in comp sci, and i wouldn't say my OO perl is "strong" | 18:35 |
| seidos | i think i just have a foundation in perl | 18:36 |
| seidos | tbh | 18:36 |
| crashsystems | I enjoy the degree abbreviation of B.S. | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | fwiw I find education requirements somewhat nonsense, I focus on skills listings | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | in tech experience frequently trumps BS ;) | 18:37 |
| seidos | i enjoy the B.A. degree abbreviation | 18:37 |
| sn9 | bad attitude | 18:38 |
| sn9 | b.a. | 18:38 |
| seidos | it means "mooning" in my head | 18:38 |
| sn9 | how so? | 18:38 |
| seidos | happy moon day, btw | 18:38 |
| seidos | the B is for bare | 18:38 |
| sn9 | oh | 18:38 |
| seidos | B.A. probably hasn't meant that since the 80s though | 18:39 |
| nhaines | I've been lucky a couple times by ignoring the education requirements and listing experience. | 18:39 |
| seidos | i tend to take what someone posts at face value | 18:39 |
| seidos | if it says x-y-z requirement, and i don't have it, then i don't apply | 18:39 |
| seidos | it is says "preferred" then i apply | 18:40 |
| seidos | it=if | 18:40 |
| seidos | blah, you know what i mean | 18:40 |
| sn9 | well, in my case, there are always, always, always requirements that i don't have | 18:40 |
| sn9 | just different ones each time | 18:40 |
| sn9 | some of them are unwritten, too | 18:41 |
| seidos | i apply to like 3 posititions a week that i meet the basic requirements, around | 18:41 |
| seidos | well, i applied for a volunteership at kaiser last week | 18:41 |
| seidos | so, they aren't necessarily tech related jobs | 18:41 |
| nhaines | I don't apply for anyhthing I can't do (or couldn't after a month of training). | 18:42 |
| sn9 | well, most things i can't do | 18:42 |
| seidos | hmmm, a month of training... | 18:42 |
| seidos | it depends how one defines "Do", i guess | 18:42 |
| nhaines | But for example when I worked at Fonality my Linux experience and teaching experience was a huge plus. It didn't matter that I didn't Asterisk or VoIP experience. | 18:42 |
| sn9 | how do you make it not matter? | 18:43 |
| seidos | i think i'm just looking for a place that i can get along with the people that work there, then work my way up | 18:43 |
| seidos | but, i'm not in a hurry anymore | 18:43 |
| nhaines | And when I referred Anna there she didn't have any "real" IT experience (it was all contract work) but she had a ton of customer service experience and they hired her based on that. | 18:43 |
| sn9 | i'd prefer a place where there is stuff to do that i can do, then work my way up | 18:44 |
| nhaines | sn9: anyone who is technically proficient can learn any specific skill. That's not difficult at all. And they already have to train you for their products and quirks anyway. | 18:44 |
| sn9 | and i am in more of a hurry than ever | 18:44 |
| nhaines | sn9: so if you have solid related experience sometimes a clueful manager will look at that and decide to accept your application anyway. | 18:44 |
| seidos | sn9: that is unfortunate. do you have anyone that can help you out in a pinch? | 18:45 |
| sn9 | nhaines: that's always blindingly obvious, but requires that one be given a chance, which i have not seen happen | 18:45 |
| sn9 | seidos: explain | 18:45 |
| seidos | sn9: food, rent, utilities (in that order) | 18:45 |
| sn9 | seidos: it's been difficult | 18:46 |
| seidos | sn9: you're in sacramento now right? have you looked at the jobs at the dmv? | 18:46 |
| nhaines | sn9: I've had it happen a couple of times. The trick is to get that resume in. :) | 18:46 |
| sn9 | seidos: friend of mine worked at the dmv; i wouldn't last a month there | 18:47 |
| seidos | sn9: you can't just lay low? | 18:47 |
| sn9 | nhaines: that would require having something on a resume that anyone wants | 18:47 |
| nhaines | sn9: you're crazy smart when it comes to hardware. I'm sure you have something that could go on a resume. | 18:48 |
| sn9 | not to my knowledge | 18:48 |
| nhaines | Get a friend to help you with it. | 18:49 |
| sn9 | also, i keep getting told that i'm not a hardware person and never can be, because i have a software mindset | 18:49 |
| sn9 | ne'er the twain shall meet | 18:50 |
| sn9 | no one has been able to help in a particularly useful capacity | 18:50 |
| seidos | it probably helps to be able to design hardware to be called a hardware person | 18:51 |
| nhaines | sn9: do you program? | 18:51 |
| sn9 | seidos: that is the conventional wisdom, which i believe to be no longer true | 18:51 |
| seidos | i wonder if this graphic is a metaphor for free software and employment: http://i.imgur.com/LjNHU.jpg | 18:51 |
| sn9 | nhaines: my language of choice is C, but without python skills, that doesn't go far | 18:52 |
| seidos | sn9: are you saying there isn't a demand for individuals with the capacity to design hardware? | 18:52 |
| nhaines | sn9: python is fun and easy. | 18:53 |
| sn9 | "capacity" means nothing. demonstrated skill is everything | 18:53 |
| seidos | capacity right now is what is meant. i wasn't talking about potential. | 18:54 |
| pleia2 | seidos: have you tried temp agencies? I did temp to hire and eventually got into a pretty decent accounting position | 18:54 |
| seidos | pleia2: yeah, i've been around the block several times | 18:54 |
| sn9 | nhaines: i've never been able to fully grasp the whole OOP concept, because it does not exist at the cpu level | 18:54 |
| seidos | i'll get something, i'm not really worried. thanks for your concern pleia2 | 18:54 |
| sn9 | seidos: potential is all i can offer | 18:54 |
| nhaines | sn9: it depends on the job. Tech support call center jobs require customer service skills as much as technical skills. | 18:55 |
| sn9 | well, i don't have those | 18:55 |
| sn9 | i'm a technical person, not a politician | 18:55 |
| seidos | hmmm | 18:56 |
| seidos | it's amazing what we're willing to do to survive | 18:56 |
| sn9 | willingness is not as important as skill | 18:57 |
| seidos | skill takes practice | 18:57 |
| seidos | nobody is born a politician | 18:57 |
| sn9 | some learn better than others | 18:57 |
| seidos | customer service doesn't necessarily mean lying, either. just a positive attitude, really. | 18:57 |
| nhaines | Willingness is more important than skill, because skills are acquired. | 18:57 |
| seidos | some have too much ego to learn | 18:57 |
| seidos | myself especially :) | 18:58 |
| nhaines | On the downside, that means I have to admit that my skill in juggling scarves is on purpose. :) | 18:58 |
| seidos | speaking of perl, i wanted to run the perl bot i made again, but the code is on a hdd, and i don't have a monitor for a desktop (left it @ ma's) or an enclosure so it'll going to have to wait 'til july | 19:02 |
| seidos | the tao of type-o do | 19:03 |
| MarkDude | Ability to learn new skills is heavy in demand | 19:04 |
| seidos | hey MarkDude | 19:04 |
| MarkDude | many times they just want to know you can learn there stuff | 19:04 |
| MarkDude | hey there seidos | 19:04 |
| seidos | the problem is how to convince them you can with a cover letter and a resume | 19:05 |
| seidos | maybe make you resume in Tex | 19:05 |
| seidos | that's probably something i could work on | 19:05 |
| seidos | i think it's d'oh in the west, and not do | 19:06 |
| sn9 | i'm not great with learning new skills | 19:06 |
| seidos | sn9: i find that hard to believe | 19:07 |
| seidos | i think contract work might be good for me right now. "get $task done, and we'll pay you $fee" | 19:08 |
| seidos | it would certainly be a way to build trust, i would think | 19:09 |
| seidos | sn9: if i had $fee, i would hire you. i'm not sure i could afford you though. | 19:10 |
| seidos | what's the going rate for potential these days, anyway? | 19:10 |
| seidos | $2? | 19:10 |
| seidos | hehe | 19:11 |
| sn9 | i can learn new skills just fine, but it exhausts everyone's patience | 19:19 |
| seidos | sn9: want to work with me today? we negotiate your fee in a pm | 19:26 |
| seidos | si se puede | 19:26 |
| seidos | i gotta' count my cash. i think i have $100 | 19:27 |
| seidos | i think i have $5 in my paypal account, and yes, i'm serious | 19:28 |
| seidos | if you don't have paypal, it will get complicated, because my checking account is tapped right now | 19:28 |
| sn9 | seidos: awesome; my number is (408)37-COMPU | 19:36 |
| sn9 | i have to leave in a min, but you can call me as i drive. me out. | 19:37 |
| seidos | sn9: number didn't work :( | 19:38 |
| sn9 | you might have misdialed | 19:38 |
| seidos | sn9: tried twice | 19:39 |
| seidos | :) | 19:39 |
| sn9 | if you have a blackberry or something, you might want to doublecheck the digits | 19:39 |
| seidos | sn9: nope, just on regular land line. 408-37-26678 | 19:41 |
| sn9 | did you dial the leading 1 for the area code, then? | 19:43 |
| seidos | sn9: yeah, says "call cannot be completed as dialed" | 19:43 |
| sn9 | i've gotten calls on it today already, so i know it works | 19:44 |
| seidos | maybe this phone doesn't have a long distance carrier | 19:44 |
| sn9 | duh | 19:45 |
| seidos | it's not my phone | 19:45 |
| sn9 | you can check (on an at&t line) by dialing 1-700-555-4141 | 19:45 |
| sn9 | not sure about verizon lines | 19:47 |
| seidos | i'll just use my cell phone | 19:48 |
| sn9 | the 562 number? | 19:48 |
| seidos | yeah | 19:49 |
| seidos | i'm trying to reinstall a hdd, it was easier to pull out | 19:49 |
| seidos | der, i had the enclosure's prongs in the wrong slots | 19:53 |
| MarkDude | derp | 20:00 |
| MarkDude | :) | 20:00 |
| MarkDude | Sounds like sumthin' I would do | 20:00 |
| seidos | no harm no foul :) | 20:37 |
| seidos | now a diff problem | 20:37 |
| seidos | hardware problem, it can wait for 2 weeks | 20:41 |
| seidos | cool picture of the golden gate bridge: http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnfp1rhkXh1qc39i3o1_500.jpg | 20:43 |
| seidos | how funny: dollar replaced soon? http://cancelourdebt.blogspot.com/2011/06/dollar-replacement-soon-russia-and.html | 20:44 |
| seidos | probably replaced by bitcoins | 20:44 |
| seidos | has anyone accumulated any bitcoins? i tried mining some, but didn't have the computational power | 20:49 |
| seidos | is anybody planning on working with diaspora? perhaps setting up an ubuntu sponsored server for ubuntu folks? | 22:21 |
| MarkDude | seidos, I tried it a few months ago | 22:26 |
| MarkDude | It was painful | 22:26 |
| MarkDude | I figured I would check in again after Summer | 22:26 |
| MarkDude | hoping | 22:26 |
| pleia2 | I'm only on facebook because that's what non-geek people use (old friends, family), diaspora is only used by geeks so far, and geeks know how to contact me properly ;) | 22:27 |
| pleia2 | it's like identi.ca and twitter | 22:27 |
| seidos | hey philipballew | 22:28 |
| seidos | ah, it isn't a feasible facebook replacement in reality | 22:28 |
| philipballew | hey seidos! | 22:28 |
| seidos | philipballew: sam is a character in a novel i wrote, fyi | 22:28 |
| philipballew | oh nice, haha. whats the novel about? | 22:29 |
| seidos | philipballew: confusion | 22:29 |
| philipballew | sounds like its deep | 22:31 |
| seidos | deep and shallow | 22:31 |
| seidos | just like identi.ca isn't a feasible replacement for twitter | 22:32 |
| MarkDude | Not yet seidos it is theoretically possible next year | 22:32 |
| MarkDude | not likely tho | 22:33 |
| philipballew | how so MarkDude ? | 22:33 |
| MarkDude | Well it has to be smooth 1st | 22:33 |
| MarkDude | it is not yet | 22:33 |
| MarkDude | once it was smooth | 22:33 |
| MarkDude | it could be possible for regular folks to use it | 22:34 |
| * MarkDude likes idea of something keeping FB in check | 22:34 | |
| MarkDude | Like how I like that bing exists | 22:34 |
| seidos | there isn't much going on w/ facebook anymore | 22:34 |
| seidos | at least w/ me | 22:34 |
| MarkDude | I dont want MS to rock it, but, keeping Googles in check is a good thing | 22:35 |
| nhaines | !enter | 22:35 |
| Eureka | Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 22:35 |
| seidos | i wonder if twitter is the reason | 22:35 |
| MarkDude | Well twitter can get in way | 22:35 |
| * MarkDude has to remind self to use it | 22:35 | |
| seidos | i just import feeds from twitter into facebook | 22:35 |
| seidos | i don't sign in to facebook very often anymore | 22:36 |
| seidos | and when i do, it's pretty much dead | 22:36 |
| seidos | "...and when i do, i drink dos equis" | 22:36 |
| MarkDude | yes nhaines I will keep my responses on one line, where ever possible. I like going on fb. It helps me keep in touch, there are a few nephews and nieces it would be harder to keep up with. Matt likes doing parkour, seeing pics of him doing that is kinda cool to me | 22:37 |
| MarkDude | :) | 22:37 |
| nhaines | There we go, that's far easier to read. | 22:37 |
| MarkDude | np | 22:37 |
| seidos | parkour is pretty cool...i just rarely have a destination | 22:38 |
| seidos | and running through people's backyards, a la ferris bueller doesn't seem like a good idea unless it's an emergency | 22:38 |
| MarkDude | Well, it is about the groups too. I like talking with folsk that have similar interests | 22:38 |
| seidos | i'm not really involved w/ active groups on facebook. there's the bhikku samahita group, but it's pretty uni-directional | 22:39 |
| * MarkDude would not recommend the trespassing thing, unles you gotta good reason | 22:39 | |
| MarkDude | No- he answered a question I had | 22:39 |
| MarkDude | Waay better than anyone I have asked before, btw | 22:40 |
| seidos | MarkDude: like i said, pretty uni-directional | 22:40 |
| seidos | he is the expert, so there isn't much cross talk | 22:40 |
| * MarkDude suggests that is a very non-Buddhist way to look at it | 22:40 | |
| seidos | i follow him via email and twitter too | 22:40 |
| seidos | i'm just observing and reporting | 22:41 |
| seidos | it's not a bad thing, it's just how it appears to me | 22:41 |
| MarkDude | teacher/student = one word. Master, journeyer, apprentice- they all chop wood carry water | 22:41 |
| seidos | i'm not sure that is the case re: the Dhamma | 22:41 |
| seidos | Bhikku Samahita has specialized in the Dhamma, it would be expected that he would comprehend it better than most | 22:42 |
| * MarkDude 's understanding is that everything is connected. Even the fish at the bottom of the mountain is linked to start of stream at top | 22:42 | |
| seidos | that is also my understanding | 22:43 |
| MarkDude | Well he has a differing background(doctor)- do you listen to Buddhist Geeks? | 22:43 |
| seidos | i think there's a word in Pali for interdependence | 22:43 |
| seidos | i'm listening to you, aren't i MarkDude? :P | 22:43 |
| * MarkDude always thought the Buddha would prefer speakers to use native language when possible :D | 22:44 | |
| MarkDude | lol | 22:44 |
| seidos | Da and Ma is quite native | 22:44 |
| MarkDude | It is podcast | 22:44 |
| MarkDude | Sure from Proto Indo European roots XD | 22:44 |
| seidos | native languages may not have words that really translate well, and coining words ain't easy | 22:44 |
| seidos | i think it may be a little more fundamental than that | 22:44 |
| seidos | i could be wrong though | 22:45 |
| MarkDude | True. Still can be a bit much learning words- as opposed to process | 22:45 |
| seidos | perhaps Pa or Fa is just as paternal as Da is | 22:45 |
| seidos | example? | 22:46 |
| seidos | this is odd: http://i.imgur.com/zY47I.jpg | 22:47 |
| MarkDude | That is way cool- I want to do that now | 22:48 |
| seidos | somebody posted it on crashspace's mailing list | 22:48 |
| * MarkDude is learning new words now. Practicing Spanish with friend. I figure I might as well go all out | 22:48 | |
| MarkDude | It is creative | 22:49 |
| MarkDude | I want to see the pics they got. | 22:49 |
| seidos | that's cool, i had a video of RMS speaking spanish | 22:49 |
| seidos | maybe someone will post it online :P | 22:49 |
| seidos | maybe that's what http://ideaboner.tumblr.com is about | 22:50 |
| MarkDude | You need to give a nsfw warning on that stuff dude- some folks are delicate | 22:53 |
| MarkDude | :) | 22:53 |
| seidos | yeah, i thought about that after the fact | 22:53 |
| seidos | probably shouldn't have posted it here | 22:53 |
| MarkDude | Dont want anyone getting in trouble | 22:55 |
| MarkDude | Did you see the pics of the new hummingbird I posted on fb? | 22:55 |
| seidos | nah | 22:56 |
| MarkDude | Good stuff- a few new panoramas also | 23:01 |
| seidos | i like hummingbirds | 23:02 |
| seidos | i wonder where they go when they die | 23:02 |
| MarkDude | I think I saw one die once- it was sad. It just sorta spiraled down, and landed in rain gutter | 23:04 |
| MarkDude | I had a family emergency - right at that moment | 23:04 |
| MarkDude | was weird- did not go back to check on it- I felt bad | 23:05 |
| seidos | it's funny, death may be more mysterious than we think, but we wouldn't know if such mysterious dyings were rare | 23:08 |
| MarkDude | Well it is all around us- there are plenty of plants and critters that live a year or less | 23:12 |
| MarkDude | some much less | 23:14 |
| seidos | there was a mouse that died when i lived in long beach. it died in front of my neighbor's kid, she was going to keep it as a pet, but it died on her for seemingly no reason | 23:17 |
| seidos | an ant died the other day when i put it inside some ranch dressing. apparently it couldn't tread ranch, tried to save it, but couldn't | 23:17 |
| seidos | this happened with a gnat that landed on me once, but it was peanut butter that time | 23:18 |
| seidos | the last 2 aren't that mysterious, really :| | 23:18 |
| MarkDude | Well the dressing thing- I understand | 23:20 |
| seidos | i was actually surprised, i've seen ants go through more than that | 23:22 |
| seidos | they can tread water pretty good | 23:22 |
| seidos | well, the ant was crawling on me, so the dressing was my attempt at feeding it, which failed | 23:23 |
| seidos | 2nd time | 23:23 |
| nhaines | Ants don't tread water. They walk across the surface because they don't break the surface tension. | 23:24 |
| MarkDude | Yep- i rescue them from the pool every so often | 23:25 |
| seidos | i should've used the head of a pin to dish out the dressing | 23:26 |
| MarkDude | Sometimes it is not meant to be | 23:39 |
| seidos | after reading Chuck Lorre's snippet at the end of Big Bang Theory, i thought for a 2nd that he an Charlie Sheen might be the same person | 23:41 |
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