[00:02] some of those penguins are gay [00:09] yep === BrightAmbition is now known as EminemGirl [01:15] Sorry i'm being anti-social [01:15] hello all [02:16] EminemGirl: greetings [02:29] Dangerous G - grantbow how goes it [02:29] ? [02:29] Nice seeing you the other night [02:49] grantbow:Sorry i wasn't feeling that well so i was sleeping [02:57] MarkDude: great [02:57] EminemGirl: I hope you feel better [02:58] thx [06:31] Ok they are showing the pride parade on TV [06:31] I think the rest of the country might freak the eff out if they saw some of it [06:31] Looks like it was a party [06:39] Awesome- gay angels and a rainbow cross [06:40] * MarkDude is watching it with Grandma [13:31] hi friends [13:32] ????? [13:33] girl [13:33] you [13:34] my male [13:34] good bye friends [18:28] Are there any Perl devs in the channel who are looking for a job? I seem to recall seeing one a while ago. [18:28] i'm looking for an apprenticeship, and i've done some perl [18:29] do you have a job description crashsystems ? [18:30] https://www.whitehatsec.com/abt/careers.html not sure if we do apprenticeships or not. [18:34] i'm finding not many people do. the only apprenticeships i've found are in more construction oriented jobs. [18:35] there was an internship i applied to for syynlabs.com though [18:35] well, just looking at the description, i don't have a B.S. or M.S. in comp sci, and i wouldn't say my OO perl is "strong" [18:36] i think i just have a foundation in perl [18:36] tbh [18:37] I enjoy the degree abbreviation of B.S. [18:37] fwiw I find education requirements somewhat nonsense, I focus on skills listings [18:37] in tech experience frequently trumps BS ;) [18:37] i enjoy the B.A. degree abbreviation [18:38] bad attitude [18:38] b.a. [18:38] it means "mooning" in my head [18:38] how so? [18:38] happy moon day, btw [18:38] the B is for bare [18:38] oh [18:39] B.A. probably hasn't meant that since the 80s though [18:39] I've been lucky a couple times by ignoring the education requirements and listing experience. [18:39] i tend to take what someone posts at face value [18:39] if it says x-y-z requirement, and i don't have it, then i don't apply [18:40] it is says "preferred" then i apply [18:40] it=if [18:40] blah, you know what i mean [18:40] well, in my case, there are always, always, always requirements that i don't have [18:40] just different ones each time [18:41] some of them are unwritten, too [18:41] i apply to like 3 posititions a week that i meet the basic requirements, around [18:41] well, i applied for a volunteership at kaiser last week [18:41] so, they aren't necessarily tech related jobs [18:42] I don't apply for anyhthing I can't do (or couldn't after a month of training). [18:42] well, most things i can't do [18:42] hmmm, a month of training... [18:42] it depends how one defines "Do", i guess [18:42] But for example when I worked at Fonality my Linux experience and teaching experience was a huge plus. It didn't matter that I didn't Asterisk or VoIP experience. [18:43] how do you make it not matter? [18:43] i think i'm just looking for a place that i can get along with the people that work there, then work my way up [18:43] but, i'm not in a hurry anymore [18:43] And when I referred Anna there she didn't have any "real" IT experience (it was all contract work) but she had a ton of customer service experience and they hired her based on that. [18:44] i'd prefer a place where there is stuff to do that i can do, then work my way up [18:44] sn9: anyone who is technically proficient can learn any specific skill. That's not difficult at all. And they already have to train you for their products and quirks anyway. [18:44] and i am in more of a hurry than ever [18:44] sn9: so if you have solid related experience sometimes a clueful manager will look at that and decide to accept your application anyway. [18:45] sn9: that is unfortunate. do you have anyone that can help you out in a pinch? [18:45] nhaines: that's always blindingly obvious, but requires that one be given a chance, which i have not seen happen [18:45] seidos: explain [18:45] sn9: food, rent, utilities (in that order) [18:46] seidos: it's been difficult [18:46] sn9: you're in sacramento now right? have you looked at the jobs at the dmv? [18:46] sn9: I've had it happen a couple of times. The trick is to get that resume in. :) [18:47] seidos: friend of mine worked at the dmv; i wouldn't last a month there [18:47] sn9: you can't just lay low? [18:47] nhaines: that would require having something on a resume that anyone wants [18:48] sn9: you're crazy smart when it comes to hardware. I'm sure you have something that could go on a resume. [18:48] not to my knowledge [18:49] Get a friend to help you with it. [18:49] also, i keep getting told that i'm not a hardware person and never can be, because i have a software mindset [18:50] ne'er the twain shall meet [18:50] no one has been able to help in a particularly useful capacity [18:51] it probably helps to be able to design hardware to be called a hardware person [18:51] sn9: do you program? [18:51] seidos: that is the conventional wisdom, which i believe to be no longer true [18:51] i wonder if this graphic is a metaphor for free software and employment: http://i.imgur.com/LjNHU.jpg [18:52] nhaines: my language of choice is C, but without python skills, that doesn't go far [18:52] sn9: are you saying there isn't a demand for individuals with the capacity to design hardware? [18:53] sn9: python is fun and easy. [18:53] "capacity" means nothing. demonstrated skill is everything [18:54] capacity right now is what is meant. i wasn't talking about potential. [18:54] seidos: have you tried temp agencies? I did temp to hire and eventually got into a pretty decent accounting position [18:54] pleia2: yeah, i've been around the block several times [18:54] nhaines: i've never been able to fully grasp the whole OOP concept, because it does not exist at the cpu level [18:54] i'll get something, i'm not really worried. thanks for your concern pleia2 [18:54] seidos: potential is all i can offer [18:55] sn9: it depends on the job. Tech support call center jobs require customer service skills as much as technical skills. [18:55] well, i don't have those [18:55] i'm a technical person, not a politician [18:56] hmmm [18:56] it's amazing what we're willing to do to survive [18:57] willingness is not as important as skill [18:57] skill takes practice [18:57] nobody is born a politician [18:57] some learn better than others [18:57] customer service doesn't necessarily mean lying, either. just a positive attitude, really. [18:57] Willingness is more important than skill, because skills are acquired. [18:57] some have too much ego to learn [18:58] myself especially :) [18:58] On the downside, that means I have to admit that my skill in juggling scarves is on purpose. :) [19:02] speaking of perl, i wanted to run the perl bot i made again, but the code is on a hdd, and i don't have a monitor for a desktop (left it @ ma's) or an enclosure so it'll going to have to wait 'til july [19:03] the tao of type-o do [19:04] Ability to learn new skills is heavy in demand [19:04] hey MarkDude [19:04] many times they just want to know you can learn there stuff [19:04] hey there seidos [19:05] the problem is how to convince them you can with a cover letter and a resume [19:05] maybe make you resume in Tex [19:05] that's probably something i could work on [19:06] i think it's d'oh in the west, and not do [19:06] i'm not great with learning new skills [19:07] sn9: i find that hard to believe [19:08] i think contract work might be good for me right now. "get $task done, and we'll pay you $fee" [19:09] it would certainly be a way to build trust, i would think [19:10] sn9: if i had $fee, i would hire you. i'm not sure i could afford you though. [19:10] what's the going rate for potential these days, anyway? [19:10] $2? [19:11] hehe [19:19] i can learn new skills just fine, but it exhausts everyone's patience [19:26] sn9: want to work with me today? we negotiate your fee in a pm [19:26] si se puede [19:27] i gotta' count my cash. i think i have $100 [19:28] i think i have $5 in my paypal account, and yes, i'm serious [19:28] if you don't have paypal, it will get complicated, because my checking account is tapped right now [19:36] seidos: awesome; my number is (408)37-COMPU [19:37] i have to leave in a min, but you can call me as i drive. me out. [19:38] sn9: number didn't work :( [19:38] you might have misdialed [19:39] sn9: tried twice [19:39] :) [19:39] if you have a blackberry or something, you might want to doublecheck the digits [19:41] sn9: nope, just on regular land line. 408-37-26678 [19:43] did you dial the leading 1 for the area code, then? [19:43] sn9: yeah, says "call cannot be completed as dialed" [19:44] i've gotten calls on it today already, so i know it works [19:44] maybe this phone doesn't have a long distance carrier [19:45] duh [19:45] it's not my phone [19:45] you can check (on an at&t line) by dialing 1-700-555-4141 [19:47] not sure about verizon lines [19:48] i'll just use my cell phone [19:48] the 562 number? [19:49] yeah [19:49] i'm trying to reinstall a hdd, it was easier to pull out [19:53] der, i had the enclosure's prongs in the wrong slots [20:00] derp [20:00] :) [20:00] Sounds like sumthin' I would do [20:37] no harm no foul :) [20:37] now a diff problem [20:41] hardware problem, it can wait for 2 weeks [20:43] cool picture of the golden gate bridge: http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnfp1rhkXh1qc39i3o1_500.jpg [20:44] how funny: dollar replaced soon? http://cancelourdebt.blogspot.com/2011/06/dollar-replacement-soon-russia-and.html [20:44] probably replaced by bitcoins [20:49] has anyone accumulated any bitcoins? i tried mining some, but didn't have the computational power [22:21] is anybody planning on working with diaspora? perhaps setting up an ubuntu sponsored server for ubuntu folks? [22:26] seidos, I tried it a few months ago [22:26] It was painful [22:26] I figured I would check in again after Summer [22:26] hoping [22:27] I'm only on facebook because that's what non-geek people use (old friends, family), diaspora is only used by geeks so far, and geeks know how to contact me properly ;) [22:27] it's like identi.ca and twitter [22:28] hey philipballew [22:28] ah, it isn't a feasible facebook replacement in reality [22:28] hey seidos! [22:28] philipballew: sam is a character in a novel i wrote, fyi [22:29] oh nice, haha. whats the novel about? [22:29] philipballew: confusion [22:31] sounds like its deep [22:31] deep and shallow [22:32] just like identi.ca isn't a feasible replacement for twitter [22:32] Not yet seidos it is theoretically possible next year [22:33] not likely tho [22:33] how so MarkDude ? [22:33] Well it has to be smooth 1st [22:33] it is not yet [22:33] once it was smooth [22:34] it could be possible for regular folks to use it [22:34] * MarkDude likes idea of something keeping FB in check [22:34] Like how I like that bing exists [22:34] there isn't much going on w/ facebook anymore [22:34] at least w/ me [22:35] I dont want MS to rock it, but, keeping Googles in check is a good thing [22:35] !enter [22:35] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [22:35] i wonder if twitter is the reason [22:35] Well twitter can get in way [22:35] * MarkDude has to remind self to use it [22:35] i just import feeds from twitter into facebook [22:36] i don't sign in to facebook very often anymore [22:36] and when i do, it's pretty much dead [22:36] "...and when i do, i drink dos equis" [22:37] yes nhaines I will keep my responses on one line, where ever possible. I like going on fb. It helps me keep in touch, there are a few nephews and nieces it would be harder to keep up with. Matt likes doing parkour, seeing pics of him doing that is kinda cool to me [22:37] :) [22:37] There we go, that's far easier to read. [22:37] np [22:38] parkour is pretty cool...i just rarely have a destination [22:38] and running through people's backyards, a la ferris bueller doesn't seem like a good idea unless it's an emergency [22:38] Well, it is about the groups too. I like talking with folsk that have similar interests [22:39] i'm not really involved w/ active groups on facebook. there's the bhikku samahita group, but it's pretty uni-directional [22:39] * MarkDude would not recommend the trespassing thing, unles you gotta good reason [22:39] No- he answered a question I had [22:40] Waay better than anyone I have asked before, btw [22:40] MarkDude: like i said, pretty uni-directional [22:40] he is the expert, so there isn't much cross talk [22:40] * MarkDude suggests that is a very non-Buddhist way to look at it [22:40] i follow him via email and twitter too [22:41] i'm just observing and reporting [22:41] it's not a bad thing, it's just how it appears to me [22:41] teacher/student = one word. Master, journeyer, apprentice- they all chop wood carry water [22:41] i'm not sure that is the case re: the Dhamma [22:42] Bhikku Samahita has specialized in the Dhamma, it would be expected that he would comprehend it better than most [22:42] * MarkDude 's understanding is that everything is connected. Even the fish at the bottom of the mountain is linked to start of stream at top [22:43] that is also my understanding [22:43] Well he has a differing background(doctor)- do you listen to Buddhist Geeks? [22:43] i think there's a word in Pali for interdependence [22:43] i'm listening to you, aren't i MarkDude? :P [22:44] * MarkDude always thought the Buddha would prefer speakers to use native language when possible :D [22:44] lol [22:44] Da and Ma is quite native [22:44] It is podcast [22:44] Sure from Proto Indo European roots XD [22:44] native languages may not have words that really translate well, and coining words ain't easy [22:44] i think it may be a little more fundamental than that [22:45] i could be wrong though [22:45] True. Still can be a bit much learning words- as opposed to process [22:45] perhaps Pa or Fa is just as paternal as Da is [22:46] example? [22:47] this is odd: http://i.imgur.com/zY47I.jpg [22:48] That is way cool- I want to do that now [22:48] somebody posted it on crashspace's mailing list [22:48] * MarkDude is learning new words now. Practicing Spanish with friend. I figure I might as well go all out [22:49] It is creative [22:49] I want to see the pics they got. [22:49] that's cool, i had a video of RMS speaking spanish [22:49] maybe someone will post it online :P [22:50] maybe that's what http://ideaboner.tumblr.com is about [22:53] You need to give a nsfw warning on that stuff dude- some folks are delicate [22:53] :) [22:53] yeah, i thought about that after the fact [22:53] probably shouldn't have posted it here [22:55] Dont want anyone getting in trouble [22:55] Did you see the pics of the new hummingbird I posted on fb? [22:56] nah [23:01] Good stuff- a few new panoramas also [23:02] i like hummingbirds [23:02] i wonder where they go when they die [23:04] I think I saw one die once- it was sad. It just sorta spiraled down, and landed in rain gutter [23:04] I had a family emergency - right at that moment [23:05] was weird- did not go back to check on it- I felt bad [23:08] it's funny, death may be more mysterious than we think, but we wouldn't know if such mysterious dyings were rare [23:12] Well it is all around us- there are plenty of plants and critters that live a year or less [23:14] some much less [23:17] there was a mouse that died when i lived in long beach. it died in front of my neighbor's kid, she was going to keep it as a pet, but it died on her for seemingly no reason [23:17] an ant died the other day when i put it inside some ranch dressing. apparently it couldn't tread ranch, tried to save it, but couldn't [23:18] this happened with a gnat that landed on me once, but it was peanut butter that time [23:18] the last 2 aren't that mysterious, really :| [23:20] Well the dressing thing- I understand [23:22] i was actually surprised, i've seen ants go through more than that [23:22] they can tread water pretty good [23:23] well, the ant was crawling on me, so the dressing was my attempt at feeding it, which failed [23:23] 2nd time [23:24] Ants don't tread water. They walk across the surface because they don't break the surface tension. [23:25] Yep- i rescue them from the pool every so often [23:26] i should've used the head of a pin to dish out the dressing [23:39] Sometimes it is not meant to be [23:41] after reading Chuck Lorre's snippet at the end of Big Bang Theory, i thought for a 2nd that he an Charlie Sheen might be the same person