| lifulinghan | hello anyone | 08:16 |
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| Aquina | hy | 09:52 |
| Mandrew | hello | 12:20 |
| Mandrew | have you guy been thinking of adding conky to the distro as an default feature? | 12:23 |
| knome | Mandrew, as a default feature... probably not going to happen | 12:24 |
| Mandrew | ok | 12:24 |
| knome | isn't it in the repositories anyway? | 12:24 |
| micahg | why not switch to unity then? | 12:24 |
| knome | uhh? | 12:24 |
| Mandrew | knome, it is indeed | 12:25 |
| micahg | ah, sorry, I was thinking of docky :-/ | 12:25 |
| * micahg hasn't really slept in ~21 hours | 12:25 | |
| Mandrew | docky is not in ubuntu/ unity by default ;) | 12:26 |
| micahg | Mandrew: right, but it's a similar idea to unity, nevermind my comment :) | 12:26 |
| knome | Mandrew, lol :)) | 12:26 |
| knome | err, micahg | 12:26 |
| * knome went to bed at 6am as well, and only slept 6 hours | 12:27 | |
| Mandrew | micahg, docky i can understand, but unity is totally different | 12:27 |
| knome | we're not going for docky nor unity | 12:27 |
| knome | ;) | 12:27 |
| Mandrew | well that is a relief ;) | 12:27 |
| knome | i actually think there is some kind of special joke style in the FOSS world, which you need to identify ;) | 12:28 |
| Mandrew | your thinking of unity and gnome-shell ;) | 12:28 |
| Mandrew | think that the joke is on me now :D | 12:29 |
| charlie-tca | desktop cd's are bad today | 15:08 |
| charlie-tca | alternate should install, though | 15:08 |
| charlie-tca | I will be running installs this afternoon, got to work on the grass while it is cool (early morning) | 15:09 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 19:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 16:31 |
| ochosi | uh, that's already pretty soon | 16:41 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: how do you feel about the scrollbars now? | 16:41 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: You going with 64bit alt? I might be able to do 32bit alt. I also can't make the meeting again :( | 18:10 |
| charlie-tca | Unit193: yes, I will do 64bit | 18:20 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: I like them | 18:20 |
| ochosi | ok nice :) | 18:20 |
| charlie-tca | Meeting in about 1.5 hours | 18:20 |
| charlie-tca | I can't really see the arrows, though | 18:20 |
| ochosi | that's the idea | 18:20 |
| ochosi | since we liked arrow-less scrollbars, i just made them very small and almost invisible | 18:21 |
| ochosi | (at least ff and ooffice don't break like this9 | 18:21 |
| GridCube | :D | 18:23 |
| GridCube | that was my idea :D | 18:23 |
| GridCube | and i've updated murrine on my 10.04 and im using this last theme, i like it | 18:23 |
| GridCube | the arrows aren't "that" invisible, if you lurk for them you can see them, also they are bigger on ff | 18:24 |
| ochosi | yeah, i know, nothing i can do about ff | 18:24 |
| charlie-tca | Yup, I agree, being as close to invisible as possible without removing them is good | 18:24 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: depends on eyesight, too | 18:25 |
| charlie-tca | On my 22 inch monitor, they are like dots of dirt on the monitor | 18:25 |
| GridCube | XD on my 17" monitor they are pretty notisable | 18:26 |
| ochosi | yeah, i agree that they look a bit "dirty", but after using them for a while i started to like those dots | 18:26 |
| ochosi | GridCube: screenshot? | 18:26 |
| GridCube | mmm im on windows now :( | 18:26 |
| ochosi | awwwh :) | 18:27 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: you are young, too! | 18:28 |
| charlie-tca | bad eyesight makes it harder to see "tiny" | 18:28 |
| GridCube | XD i use glasses 24/7 | 18:28 |
| ochosi | me too, that's not an argument ;) | 18:30 |
| GridCube | well i actually need them to see far away, not for close viewing :P | 18:32 |
| Unit193 | I could use (but don't NEED) glasses, but I don't have any | 18:34 |
| === GridCube changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | ||
| GridCube | ochosi, http://imagebin.org/160240 | 18:37 |
| Unit193 | I don't even remember what the topic was... | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | why is GridCube changing the topic? | 18:39 |
| knome | charlie-tca, there is no +t in #xubuntu-devel | 18:40 |
| GridCube | what? | 18:40 |
| GridCube | what did i did? | 18:40 |
| ochosi | GridCube: re:screenshot: ok, that's exactly how it looks for me as well, i guess that's ok | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | What does having a +t got to do with playing with the topic? | 18:40 |
| GridCube | oh... i changed the topic... | 18:41 |
| knome | charlie-tca, if we have +t, unopped users can't change the topic. that's what. | 18:41 |
| GridCube | i'm not even op here... | 18:41 |
| charlie-tca | They shouldn't be touching it anyway. Usually we just throw them out for that | 18:41 |
| GridCube | but i did nothing | 18:41 |
| GridCube | D: i just logged in | 18:41 |
| charlie-tca | and, I did not ban you :) | 18:42 |
| knome | charlie-tca, then add +t, so you don't need to try to remember what the old topic was | 18:42 |
| charlie-tca | I can see it in weechat | 18:42 |
| charlie-tca | It gives me both the old and the new topics | 18:42 |
| GridCube | i have it logged for the last few weeks that i've logged this channel XD | 18:43 |
| charlie-tca | That too | 18:43 |
| Unit193 | What was the old one? Are there any changes? | 18:43 |
| GridCube | nope its the same | 18:43 |
| charlie-tca | There were no changes made, no | 18:44 |
| GridCube | thats really weird i dont see how i changed the topic | 18:44 |
| GridCube | unless... can i try something? | 18:44 |
| charlie-tca | Must be a keypress in the IRC client | 18:44 |
| charlie-tca | go | 18:44 |
| === GridCube changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | ||
| charlie-tca | Like I said, I see both | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | magic keys, huh? | 18:45 |
| === GridCube changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | ||
| GridCube | no, apparently on xchat if you touch the topic on the top bar and press enter it changes the topic | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | again? | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | Really? | 18:46 |
| GridCube | i added the stuff i removed on the previous edition | 18:46 |
| GridCube | yes | 18:46 |
| charlie-tca | weird | 18:46 |
| GridCube | apparently i tabbed and hit return | 18:46 |
| charlie-tca | All the months (over 24) I used Xchat, I never did that | 18:46 |
| GridCube | you should add +t | 18:47 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: You might want to do the topic so it's not "Topic set by GridCube (~noneof@190.49.173.47) (Mon Jun 27 13:37:26 2011)" | 18:47 |
| charlie-tca | I don't care who it is set by. That gives a record if something does change | 18:47 |
| Unit193 | I noticed it didn't have +t long time ago and kinda liked it in a way (And never touched it!) | 18:48 |
| charlie-tca | It hasn't changed, but when you see the name is changed, you know to look at it | 18:48 |
| charlie-tca | knome: you know how to set +t? | 18:48 |
| charlie-tca | I never do all this stuff, and would have to research it | 18:48 |
| knome | charlie-tca, yesm but i don't have operator privileges in #xubuntu-devel | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | you ain't? | 18:49 |
| knome | nope | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | how do I do it then? | 18:49 |
| knome | first get ops for yourself | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | I thought you were an operatior in all our channels | 18:49 |
| knome | no, just #xubuntu | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | okay, got that far | 18:50 |
| knome | then simply try /mode +t | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 18:51 |
| knome | done | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | now you want to be an op in here? | 18:51 |
| knome | no | 18:51 |
| Unit193 | /msg chanserv set #xubuntu-devel topiclock on Might work better... | 18:51 |
| charlie-tca | okay :( | 18:51 |
| knome | now only ops can change the topic | 18:51 |
| knome | Unit193, that's different | 18:51 |
| knome | charlie-tca, well, i can be, no problem in that ;) | 18:52 |
| knome | charlie-tca, but as i said, now the +t mode is set | 18:52 |
| charlie-tca | who are the ops in here? Where would I find the list? | 18:52 |
| Unit193 | knome: Bah... Wrong one... From what I know, it was best to set it with ChanServ... | 18:53 |
| knome | charlie-tca, /msg chanserv access #xubuntu-devel list | 18:53 |
| charlie-tca | hm, I would like to see j1mc and crimsun removed and you added, I think | 18:54 |
| charlie-tca | cody-somerville: you around today? | 18:55 |
| knome | charlie-tca, as far as i understand it, you have all the access rights | 18:56 |
| charlie-tca | oh | 18:56 |
| charlie-tca | I will go find how to do this, then. | 18:57 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: /msg chanserv help flags ? | 18:59 |
| GridCube | :) gotta go, sources of information test today, gotta study :D good luck to you all and have a nice community meeting | 18:59 |
| charlie-tca | knome: done | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks for your help | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | knome: you are now an op in here | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | I didn't make you one in #xubuntu-offtopic, though | 19:07 |
| Unit193 | So we can't make fun of him anymore... | 19:07 |
| knome | charlie-tca, thanks | 19:07 |
| ochosi | Unit193: :D | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | knome really does know more about ops and IRC than I do | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 15 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:44 |
| orngjce223 | Okay, so I heard that the ubuntustudio people are going to move to an xfce-based desktop around 12.04 or so, so I may as well just idle and absorb information by osmosis. | 19:49 |
| holstein | orngjce223: hey :) | 19:50 |
| orngjce223 | Hehe | 19:50 |
| holstein | yeah... im exited about the move | 19:50 |
| orngjce223 | Excited? :v If you were exited you'd stop using it | 19:51 |
| holstein | and watching the xubuntu team in action is quite inspiring | 19:51 |
| orngjce223 | Mmmm. | 19:51 |
| orngjce223 | So yeah, just going to idle | 19:51 |
| * charlie-tca waves | 20:01 | |
| knome | ugh | 20:02 |
| * micahg waves in a daze | 20:03 | |
| mr_pouit | o hai | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | heh, don't try a new vertical mouse without a lot of time | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | So, let's have a meeting | 20:04 |
| ochosi | o/ | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | #STARTMEETING | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | The full agenda for the meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meeting | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | Today's agenda: | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Old business | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Team updates - Team Leads | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Packaging & Development | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Bug Triage & Testing | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Website & Marketing | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Artwork | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Documentation | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Announcements | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * TeamReports need to be updated | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Governance structure - all | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | * Any Other Business - all/anyone | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | So, I have not dug up the xscreensaver stuff, so let's go to team updates | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Packaging & Development | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit, micahg : go ahead, please | 20:06 |
| mr_pouit | the usual round of merges/syncs from Debian (almost finished, should be ok at the end of this week) | 20:06 |
| mr_pouit | I don't think we changed anything in the default package set last week | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | Have we added pastebinit? | 20:07 |
| mr_pouit | (might be worth to put file-roller back, now that it won't pull in nautilus anymore) | 20:07 |
| mr_pouit | eh, sorry, I forgot | 20:07 |
| ochosi | fileroller +1 | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | +1 fileroller and pastebinit | 20:08 |
| micahg | wow, xarchiver is really that bad? | 20:08 |
| mr_pouit | =) | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | micahg hasn't had the pleasure of fighting with xarchiver yet | 20:09 |
| micahg | I hope to take a look at the seeds after the platform rally to see if we can get the size down | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | size down would be good, too | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | The 64bit alternate install image grew last night | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | live desktop is still broken, raised in the release team meeting | 20:10 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: any thoughts on 10.04.3? Do we want to push it or just stay where we are | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | The only thing I see it might do is help with the logout instead of shutdown bug | 20:11 |
| mr_pouit | mmh, we don't have any update at all in it | 20:11 |
| micahg | nope, just a newer Firefox and THunderbird (point releases) | 20:12 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, but this fix includes a regression, so it's not really suitable | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | Then I won't push that one. We can work on Oneiric instead | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions for development and packaging? | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Bug Triage & Testing | 20:13 |
| charlie-tca | We are triaging a few bugs, mostly hitting the oneiric ones. | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit seems to be doing more bugs than I am again. | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | Testing is going great! Of course, we lost a couple of volunteers as soon as we said we need them to test. | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | We are running tests almost daily, alternating partition methods and install methods to cover everything | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | any questions? | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Website & Marketing | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | knome, pleia2 : your turn | 20:16 |
| pleia2 | over the weekend I sent a mail to -devel asking for some review of the website content | 20:17 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah! | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | We are gaining | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | We do need some marketing help still. As Ubuntu builds Unity, we are picking up a lot of users | 20:18 |
| pleia2 | I've completed a basic review, but if others with expertise in the other areas could make sure the information is accurate linked from http://xubuntu.org/contribute it would be great | 20:18 |
| knome | should check that later that week | 20:19 |
| pleia2 | I haven't gotten the page up for displaying our logos for people to use in marketing, I'll add that to my todo list now | 20:19 |
| pleia2 | knome: any updates on our wp theme? | 20:19 |
| knome | no, not right now | 20:20 |
| knome | but the picslider is a wordpress plugin now | 20:20 |
| knome | you can see it in action in http://shimmerproject.org/project/albatross/ | 20:20 |
| knome | (you can even ry to navigate the images) | 20:21 |
| knome | *try | 20:21 |
| pleia2 | knome: is the plugin hosted online somewhere? | 20:21 |
| pleia2 | we can submit it for review by canonical if it's ready while we finish the rest of the theme | 20:21 |
| knome | pleia2, not yet, i'm still doing a few modifications to it | 20:21 |
| knome | actually, i'm working with it right now | 20:21 |
| pleia2 | ok :) | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: I think that's all we've got | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, everybody please review the website for content | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | Let's stay on top of this website change, too. The sooner we get things in for approval, the sooner we get operational | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions for website? | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Artwork | 20:23 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: you get to be here today? | 20:23 |
| ochosi | yep | 20:23 |
| ochosi | so, basically the "big news" is that i think we settled on a new scrollbar style | 20:23 |
| ochosi | at least for now | 20:24 |
| ochosi | we went through several iterations | 20:24 |
| ochosi | and i fixed it insofar that firefox and libreoffice work with it now | 20:24 |
| ochosi | we dropped the scrollbar-arrows (at least visually) | 20:24 |
| ochosi | other than that, not many changes to be honest, mainly cleaning up behind the changes we did during the last few weeks | 20:25 |
| ochosi | feedback has been ok so far, but there could be more | 20:25 |
| ochosi | so feel free to test | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | Feedback seems to be directly to connected to what is hated most? | 20:26 |
| ochosi | hm, up to now it was mainly feedback about the scrollbar | 20:26 |
| ochosi | but actually i think it has become positive (from sceptic in the beginning) | 20:26 |
| charlie-tca | Please, if you can test the new theme, do so. It is fully testable in Natty, right? | 20:26 |
| ochosi | yep | 20:26 |
| charlie-tca | You don't even have to install oneiric yet, so let's get some feedback on this new scrollbar. | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions ? | 20:27 |
| Mandrew | hope i dont intrude. but if you drop me a link to the new theme im glad to be testing it | 20:28 |
| ochosi | Mandrew: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird | 20:28 |
| charlie-tca | anyone else? | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | Mandrew: thanks for testing the theme. | 20:29 |
| Mandrew | no thank you ;) | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Documentation | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | This is one of the areas that appears the weakest for us. | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | We had a person in that was looking into the wiki, is he here? | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | well, okay then | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Announcements | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | That favorite subject is back again... Team Reports are due for June | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | These can be updated by anyone, not just a select few. | 20:32 |
| charlie-tca | Just go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports | 20:32 |
| charlie-tca | click on the edit link for this month, and add your updates. | 20:32 |
| charlie-tca | We do a lot of work in Xubuntu, and this is how we get credit for it and track a lot of it. | 20:32 |
| charlie-tca | Important dates coming rapidly: | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | Debian Import Freeze: June 30 | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | 10.04.3 Freeze: June 30 | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7 | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | We will need a new release for alpha2, and it should give the changes to default apps if we can. | 20:34 |
| charlie-tca | We can include the most critical bugs from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot | 20:34 |
| charlie-tca | We are trying to track things for the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/AlphaNotes | 20:36 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions? | 20:36 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Any Other Business | 20:37 |
| charlie-tca | Anything else we need to discuss? Anything we missed? | 20:38 |
| charlie-tca | oh, yes | 20:38 |
| jarnos | I missed a lot, I suppose. | 20:38 |
| charlie-tca | knome is now an IRC op in #xubuntu-devel | 20:38 |
| charlie-tca | jarnos: yes, we are almost finished, but there will be minutes posted to the wiki and ML's | 20:39 |
| jarnos | Did you chat about themes/style | 20:39 |
| charlie-tca | A little, yes. Did you have something specific in mind? | 20:40 |
| jarnos | Well, I have survived by one panel with many releases. | 20:40 |
| jarnos | Even with small screen 1024x600. | 20:41 |
| knome | and? | 20:41 |
| charlie-tca | So, launchers only on the bottom panel make it much easier to remove? | 20:41 |
| jarnos | Well, I think it would be worth thinking, if everything a default user needs can be in one panel. By the way, | 20:42 |
| jarnos | In Natty there are many new panel elements. | 20:43 |
| Mandrew | i like the two panels that you guys have now:) | 20:43 |
| charlie-tca | In natty, we switched to Xfce 4.8, and that affected most of the components | 20:43 |
| charlie-tca | The panels were a complete re-write for Xfce, so it was a good opportunity to change them | 20:44 |
| jarnos | Mandrew, sometimes the autoshown bottom panel can be on way, if you e.g. scroll. | 20:44 |
| jarnos | Inicator plugin takes unneccessary lot panel space. | 20:44 |
| charlie-tca | It has never gotten in my way, even scrolling. We do have full size scroll areas, which helps | 20:44 |
| charlie-tca | What is in indicator panel that would not be on the panel in the notification area? | 20:45 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, if you are careful, you don't accidentally unhide the panel. | 20:46 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, well, I need currently only network manager, but it has volume control and that letter box and a lot of empty space in between. | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | but that is you, personally. | 20:48 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, volume control can be handled to some extent by conventional mixer in panel. | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | Most of the users really prefer the mixer, and having the chat application. | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | the mixer takes the same space, whether in notification area or indicator panel | 20:49 |
| charlie-tca | it is just a speaker icon | 20:49 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, no, there is a lot of space between the icons in the indicator plugin. | 20:49 |
| charlie-tca | Truth be told, looking at my 11.04 and 10.04 side by side at the same resolution, it took more space for network manager applet and mixer in 10.04 | 20:50 |
| jarnos | indicator plugin does not offer configuration | 20:51 |
| Mandrew | charlie-tca, i think he says that there is a lot of space between the icons | 20:51 |
| charlie-tca | We must always look at the overall user experience, not a single user. Every user is free to change the defaults | 20:51 |
| charlie-tca | Mandrew: I know, but 10.04 without indicator panel used more space than indicators do | 20:52 |
| Mandrew | i like that it makes it airy so to say | 20:52 |
| charlie-tca | You can remove indicator plugin and use the notification area instead. | 20:52 |
| jarnos | charlie-tca, when I removed the indicator plugin, I didn't get network manager in the notification area. | 20:53 |
| charlie-tca | I think you are correct. Ubuntu has tied network manager to indicators. | 20:54 |
| charlie-tca | And they may even tie more to them. We are not going to rebuild every app to undo what they do. | 20:54 |
| charlie-tca | Again, as a individual, you are allowed to make changes that fit your work style. | 20:55 |
| jarnos | By the way, wouldn't Switch user be a nice default item in panel? Without it you can switch, it you lock screen and make a new login, though. | 20:56 |
| jarnos | I wonder why it is not in the session menu. | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | Won't that take even more room in the panel? | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: what do you think of adding the user switcher plugin to the panel by default? | 20:58 |
| jarnos | No, if it is in Session Menu, which itself may take a lot of space depending on your user name. | 20:58 |
| charlie-tca | Not sure we can add to the session menu, anyone know the answer? | 20:59 |
| jarnos | Is there any sense of keeping both Session Menu and Log Out Dialog? | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | huh? | 21:01 |
| Unit193 | I'm now here and read up :/ | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | by default you don't have both | 21:01 |
| jarnos | If I remember right, Ubuntu had switch user in it before. | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | Default is now session menu. If you have both, you probably should delete the old ~/.config and ~/.cache and rebuild things | 21:02 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu doesn't use the xfce session menu, it uses gnome stuff, which is different | 21:02 |
| charlie-tca | So, not having an answer, and having taken the allotted hour for this now, we could pursue this better on the Mailing List | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | I want to thank everyone for participating in the weekly meeting. Your participation is important to us! | 21:03 |
| Mandrew | i can logout under my name in the right corner and in the bottom of my "start menu", and i have a fresh install | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | The next meeting will be Sunday, July 3rd, at 22:00 UTC. | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | Let's go update Team Reports! | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | Mandrew: that's different | 21:04 |
| Mandrew | ok | 21:04 |
| charlie-tca | log out dialog is a quit button | 21:04 |
| charlie-tca | which the session menu replaced | 21:04 |
| charlie-tca | You can see the log out dialogs by using right-click on the panel, panel, logout | 21:04 |
| charlie-tca | which is a builtin for Xfce | 21:05 |
| Mandrew | ok cool | 21:05 |
| charlie-tca | ENDMEETING | 21:07 |
| charlie-tca | Now, I need help... | 21:11 |
| charlie-tca | Anyone know how to make the Evoluent Vertical Mouse work with a ps/2 adapter? | 21:11 |
| Mandrew | i would have a look in #ubuntu cuz its really alot of ppl there, but dont say your running xubuntu it might get nasty :( | 21:19 |
| charlie-tca | I never go in there | 21:20 |
| charlie-tca | I can always a third keyboard to my desk, so I can bypass the kvm swithc | 21:21 |
| charlie-tca | s/swithc/switch | 21:21 |
| Mandrew | ok | 21:21 |
| Mandrew | charlie-tca, what is the tips and tricks part in this menu? http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/fi6np6l7/1_007.png | 21:22 |
| charlie-tca | It's a tip that appears every time you login. They change each time, going through them at random | 21:23 |
| charlie-tca | They are tips for Xfce | 21:23 |
| Mandrew | ok cool i might just add that to the start then | 21:24 |
| charlie-tca | Most of them are valid for us, but there will be a couple that don't apply | 21:24 |
| Mandrew | ok | 21:24 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, it is just one more thing to close though | 21:24 |
| Mandrew | could be useful as a new user of xfce ;) | 21:24 |
| Mandrew | ill try it and if i get enough its just to remove it | 21:25 |
| Mandrew | i posted you question in ubuntu but there is no reply, so i guess no one in there right now knows | 21:26 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 21:29 |
| Mandrew | np ;) | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | I guess I can make the server headless, too. Then I won't need the third keyboard | 21:30 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: i've never used the user-switcher before tbh | 22:59 |
| ochosi | i'll install it and have a look | 22:59 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: there are a few problems with that as far as i can see. the main problem is that it's an indicator, not a panel-plugin, which means we can't freely place it where we want (meaning that item will land anywhere among the other indicators installed) | 23:04 |
| orngjce223 | I'm still in lucid and the panel-plugin user-switcher is in the package "xfswitch-plugin" | 23:11 |
| orngjce223 | Not sure if it still exists in newer versions but it's there | 23:11 |
| ochosi | oh right | 23:11 |
| ochosi | thanks orngjce223, i'll try that one as well | 23:11 |
| ochosi | but anyway, it sounded a bit like they wanted indicator-session, because it includes user-switching and stuff from the session-menu | 23:12 |
| orngjce223 | ...Not that it works on my system | 23:12 |
| ochosi | what doesn't work? | 23:13 |
| orngjce223 | user switching | 23:13 |
| ochosi | oh | 23:13 |
| orngjce223 | But that's why I'm going to install natty, fresh, on another partition | 23:13 |
| ochosi | just tested it, works for me | 23:13 |
| orngjce223 | see if the bug's still there | 23:13 |
| orngjce223 | Meh | 23:13 |
| ochosi | :) | 23:13 |
| ochosi | but anyway, it's a rather fugly plugin if you ask me | 23:13 |
| ochosi | only a button with an icon and no options at all | 23:13 |
| orngjce223 | Could be specific to "hi I have a lowlatency kernel and a bunch of really contrived audio settings" | 23:13 |
| orngjce223 | I dunno | 23:14 |
| ochosi | hm, prolly, dunno | 23:14 |
| orngjce223 | If I had to put money on it I'd say more likely to be the audio fault | 23:14 |
| ochosi | i think having the user-switching as an item in the session-menu plugin would make more sense than this tiny launcher | 23:14 |
| orngjce223 | the lowlatency kernel does nothing interesting by itself honestly, only when it's called by a program that's aware | 23:14 |
| orngjce223 | But yeah | 23:14 |
| orngjce223 | Meh | 23:14 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: thanks for looking at it | 23:26 |
| ochosi | no problem | 23:26 |
| ochosi | i think that the user-switching should either go in the session menu or not into the panel, at least wrt how things are atm | 23:26 |
| charlie-tca | yup, jarnos wanted it in session menu, but I don't think we can tell it where to go in those terms | 23:26 |
| ochosi | well, we can file a feature request | 23:27 |
| ochosi | it's not a bad idea | 23:27 |
| charlie-tca | I have told it a couple of times "where to go", but never there | 23:27 |
| ochosi | same goes for locking the screen | 23:27 |
| charlie-tca | Well, personally, I think if people want all the pretties and functions of Ubuntu, they should have installed Ubuntu | 23:27 |
| ochosi | that's true in a wa | 23:28 |
| ochosi | y | 23:28 |
| ochosi | though i think as long as a request is meaningful i wouldn't drop it just because ubuntu has it | 23:28 |
| charlie-tca | No, but I get tired of hearing "Ubuntu does it" | 23:29 |
| ochosi | sure | 23:29 |
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