[08:16] <lifulinghan> hello anyone
[09:52] <Aquina> hy
[12:20] <Mandrew> hello
[12:23] <Mandrew> have you guy been thinking of adding conky to the distro as an default feature?
[12:24] <knome> Mandrew, as a default feature... probably not going to happen
[12:24] <Mandrew> ok
[12:24] <knome> isn't it in the repositories anyway?
[12:24] <micahg> why not switch to unity then?
[12:24] <knome> uhh?
[12:25] <Mandrew> knome, it is indeed
[12:25] <micahg> ah, sorry, I was thinking of docky :-/
[12:25]  * micahg hasn't really slept in ~21 hours
[12:26] <Mandrew> docky is not in ubuntu/ unity by default ;)
[12:26] <micahg> Mandrew: right, but it's a similar idea to unity, nevermind my comment :)
[12:26] <knome> Mandrew, lol :))
[12:26] <knome> err, micahg 
[12:27]  * knome went to bed at 6am as well, and only slept 6 hours
[12:27] <Mandrew> micahg, docky i can understand, but unity is totally different
[12:27] <knome> we're not going for docky nor unity
[12:27] <knome> ;)
[12:27] <Mandrew> well that is a relief   ;)
[12:28] <knome> i actually think there is some kind of special joke style in the FOSS world, which you need to identify ;)
[12:28] <Mandrew> your thinking of unity and gnome-shell ;)
[12:29] <Mandrew> think that the joke is on me now :D
[15:08] <charlie-tca> desktop cd's are bad today
[15:08] <charlie-tca> alternate should install, though
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I will be running installs this afternoon, got to work on the grass while it is cool (early morning)
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel at 19:00 UTC today. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[16:41] <ochosi> uh, that's already pretty soon
[16:41] <ochosi> charlie-tca: how do you feel about the scrollbars now?
[18:10] <Unit193> charlie-tca: You going with 64bit alt? I might be able to do 32bit alt. I also can't make the meeting again :(
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Unit193: yes, I will do 64bit
[18:20] <charlie-tca> ochosi: I like them
[18:20] <ochosi> ok nice :)
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Meeting in about 1.5 hours
[18:20] <charlie-tca> I can't really see the arrows, though
[18:20] <ochosi> that's the idea
[18:21] <ochosi> since we liked arrow-less scrollbars, i just made them very small and almost invisible
[18:21] <ochosi> (at least ff and ooffice don't break like this9
[18:23] <GridCube> :D
[18:23] <GridCube> that was my idea :D
[18:23] <GridCube> and i've updated murrine on my 10.04 and im using this last theme, i like it
[18:24] <GridCube> the arrows aren't "that" invisible, if you lurk for them you can see them, also they are bigger on ff
[18:24] <ochosi> yeah, i know, nothing i can do about ff
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Yup, I agree, being as close to invisible as possible without removing them is good
[18:25] <charlie-tca> GridCube: depends on eyesight, too
[18:25] <charlie-tca> On my 22 inch monitor, they are like dots of dirt on the monitor
[18:26] <GridCube> XD on my 17" monitor they are pretty notisable
[18:26] <ochosi> yeah, i agree that they look a bit "dirty", but after using them for a while i started to like those dots
[18:26] <ochosi> GridCube: screenshot?
[18:26] <GridCube> mmm im on windows now :(
[18:27] <ochosi> awwwh :)
[18:28] <charlie-tca> GridCube: you are young, too! 
[18:28] <charlie-tca> bad eyesight makes it harder to see "tiny" 
[18:28] <GridCube> XD i use glasses 24/7
[18:30] <ochosi> me too, that's not an argument ;)
[18:32] <GridCube> well i actually need them to see far away, not for close viewing :P 
[18:34] <Unit193> I could use (but don't NEED)  glasses, but I don't have any
[18:37] <GridCube> ochosi, http://imagebin.org/160240
[18:38] <Unit193> I don't even remember what the topic was...
[18:39] <charlie-tca> why is GridCube changing the topic?
[18:40] <knome> charlie-tca, there is no +t in #xubuntu-devel
[18:40] <GridCube> what?
[18:40] <GridCube> what did i did?
[18:40] <ochosi> GridCube: re:screenshot: ok, that's exactly how it looks for me as well, i guess that's ok
[18:40] <charlie-tca> What does having a +t got to do with playing with the topic?
[18:41] <GridCube> oh... i changed the topic...
[18:41] <knome> charlie-tca, if we have +t, unopped users can't change the topic. that's what.
[18:41] <GridCube> i'm not even op here...
[18:41] <charlie-tca> They shouldn't be touching it anyway. Usually we just throw them out for that
[18:41] <GridCube> but i did nothing
[18:41] <GridCube> D: i just logged in
[18:42] <charlie-tca> and, I did not ban you :)
[18:42] <knome> charlie-tca, then add +t, so you don't need to try to remember what the old topic was
[18:42] <charlie-tca> I can see it in weechat
[18:42] <charlie-tca> It gives me both the old and the new topics
[18:43] <GridCube> i have it logged for the last few weeks that i've logged this channel XD
[18:43] <charlie-tca> That too
[18:43] <Unit193> What was the old one? Are there any changes?
[18:43] <GridCube> nope its the same
[18:44] <charlie-tca> There were no changes made, no
[18:44] <GridCube> thats really weird i dont see how i changed the topic
[18:44] <GridCube> unless... can i try something?
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Must be a keypress in the IRC client
[18:44] <charlie-tca> go
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Like I said, I see both 
[18:45] <charlie-tca> magic keys, huh?
[18:45] <GridCube> no, apparently on xchat if you touch the topic on the top bar and press enter it changes the topic
[18:45] <charlie-tca> again?
[18:46] <charlie-tca> Really?
[18:46] <GridCube> i added the stuff i removed on the previous edition
[18:46] <GridCube> yes
[18:46] <charlie-tca> weird
[18:46] <GridCube> apparently i tabbed and hit return
[18:46] <charlie-tca> All the months (over 24) I used Xchat, I never did that
[18:47] <GridCube> you should add +t
[18:47] <Unit193> charlie-tca: You might want to do the topic so it's not "Topic set by GridCube (~noneof@190.49.173.47) (Mon Jun 27 13:37:26 2011)"
[18:47] <charlie-tca> I don't care who it is set by. That gives a record if something does change
[18:48] <Unit193> I noticed it didn't have +t long time ago and kinda liked it in a way (And never touched it!)
[18:48] <charlie-tca> It hasn't changed, but when you see the name is changed, you know to look at it
[18:48] <charlie-tca> knome: you know how to set +t?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> I never do all this stuff, and would have to research it
[18:49] <knome> charlie-tca, yesm but i don't have operator privileges in #xubuntu-devel 
[18:49] <charlie-tca> you ain't?
[18:49] <knome> nope
[18:49] <charlie-tca> how do I do it then?
[18:49] <knome> first get ops for yourself
[18:49] <charlie-tca> I thought you were an operatior in all our channels
[18:49] <knome> no, just #xubuntu 
[18:50] <charlie-tca> okay, got that far
[18:51] <knome> then simply try /mode +t
[18:51] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:51] <knome> done
[18:51] <charlie-tca> now you want to be an op in here?
[18:51] <knome> no
[18:51] <Unit193>  /msg chanserv set #xubuntu-devel topiclock on  Might work better...
[18:51] <charlie-tca> okay :(
[18:51] <knome> now only ops can change the topic
[18:51] <knome> Unit193, that's different
[18:52] <knome> charlie-tca, well, i can be, no problem in that ;)
[18:52] <knome> charlie-tca, but as i said, now the +t mode is set
[18:52] <charlie-tca> who are the ops in here? Where would I find the list?
[18:53] <Unit193> knome: Bah... Wrong one... From what I know, it was best to set it with ChanServ...
[18:53] <knome> charlie-tca, /msg chanserv access #xubuntu-devel list
[18:54] <charlie-tca> hm, I would like to see j1mc and crimsun removed and you added, I think
[18:55] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: you around today?
[18:56] <knome> charlie-tca, as far as i understand it, you have all the access rights
[18:56] <charlie-tca> oh
[18:57] <charlie-tca> I will go find how to do this, then. 
[18:59] <Unit193> charlie-tca: /msg chanserv help flags    ?
[18:59] <GridCube> :) gotta go, sources of information test today, gotta study :D good luck to you all and have a nice community meeting
[19:06] <charlie-tca> knome: done
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Thanks for your help
[19:06] <charlie-tca> knome: you are now an op in here
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I didn't make you one in #xubuntu-offtopic, though
[19:07] <Unit193> So we can't make fun of him anymore...
[19:07] <knome> charlie-tca, thanks
[19:07] <ochosi> Unit193: :D
[19:11] <charlie-tca> knome really does know more about ops and IRC than I do
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 15 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:49] <orngjce223> Okay, so I heard that the ubuntustudio people are going to move to an xfce-based desktop around 12.04 or so, so I may as well just idle and absorb information by osmosis.
[19:50] <holstein> orngjce223: hey :)
[19:50] <orngjce223> Hehe
[19:50] <holstein> yeah... im exited about the move
[19:51] <orngjce223> Excited? :v If you were exited you'd stop using it
[19:51] <holstein> and watching the xubuntu team in action is quite inspiring
[19:51] <orngjce223> Mmmm.
[19:51] <orngjce223> So yeah, just going to idle
[20:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[20:02] <knome> ugh
[20:03]  * micahg waves in a daze
[20:03] <mr_pouit> o hai
[20:03] <charlie-tca> heh, don't try a new vertical mouse without a lot of time
[20:04] <charlie-tca> So, let's have a meeting
[20:04] <ochosi> o/
[20:04] <charlie-tca> #STARTMEETING
[20:04] <charlie-tca> The full agenda for the meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meeting
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Today's agenda:
[20:05] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[20:05] <charlie-tca>   * Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU
[20:05] <charlie-tca> * Team updates - Team Leads
[20:05] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[20:05] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[20:05] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[20:05] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[20:05] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[20:05] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[20:05] <charlie-tca>   * TeamReports need to be updated
[20:05] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure - all
[20:05] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business - all/anyone
[20:05] <charlie-tca> So, I have not dug up the xscreensaver stuff, so let's go to team updates
[20:06] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Packaging & Development
[20:06] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : go ahead, please
[20:06] <mr_pouit> the usual round of merges/syncs from Debian (almost finished, should be ok at the end of this week)
[20:07] <mr_pouit> I don't think we changed anything in the default package set last week
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Have we added pastebinit?
[20:07] <mr_pouit> (might be worth to put file-roller back, now that it won't pull in nautilus anymore)
[20:07] <mr_pouit> eh, sorry, I forgot
[20:07] <ochosi> fileroller +1
[20:08] <charlie-tca> +1 fileroller and pastebinit
[20:08] <micahg> wow, xarchiver is really that bad?
[20:08] <mr_pouit> =)
[20:08] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:09] <charlie-tca> micahg hasn't had the pleasure of fighting with xarchiver yet
[20:09] <micahg> I hope to take a look at the seeds after the platform rally to see if we can get the size down
[20:09] <charlie-tca> size down would be good, too
[20:09] <charlie-tca> The 64bit alternate install image grew last night
[20:10] <charlie-tca> live desktop is still broken, raised in the release team meeting
[20:11] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: any thoughts on 10.04.3? Do we want to push it or just stay where we are
[20:11] <charlie-tca> The only thing I see it might do is help with the logout instead of shutdown bug
[20:11] <mr_pouit> mmh, we don't have any update at all in it
[20:12] <micahg> nope, just a newer Firefox and THunderbird (point releases)
[20:12] <mr_pouit> yeah, but this fix includes a regression, so it's not really suitable
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Then I won't push that one. We can work on Oneiric instead
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Any questions for development and packaging?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Bug Triage & Testing
[20:14] <charlie-tca> We are triaging a few bugs, mostly hitting the oneiric ones. 
[20:14] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit seems to be doing more bugs than I am again. 
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Testing is going great! Of course, we lost a couple of volunteers as soon as we said we need them to test.
[20:15] <charlie-tca> We are running tests almost daily, alternating partition methods and install methods to cover everything
[20:15] <charlie-tca> any questions?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Website & Marketing
[20:16] <charlie-tca> knome, pleia2 : your turn
[20:17] <pleia2> over the weekend I sent a mail to -devel asking for some review of the website content
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Yeah! 
[20:18] <charlie-tca> We are gaining
[20:18] <charlie-tca> We do need some marketing help still. As Ubuntu builds Unity, we are picking up a lot of users
[20:18] <pleia2> I've completed a basic review, but if others with expertise in the other areas could make sure the information is accurate linked from http://xubuntu.org/contribute it would be great
[20:19] <knome> should check that later that week
[20:19] <pleia2> I haven't gotten the page up for displaying our logos for people to use in marketing, I'll add that to my todo list now
[20:19] <pleia2> knome: any updates on our wp theme?
[20:20] <knome> no, not right now
[20:20] <knome> but the picslider is a wordpress plugin now
[20:20] <knome> you can see it in action in http://shimmerproject.org/project/albatross/
[20:21] <knome> (you can even ry to navigate the images)
[20:21] <knome> *try
[20:21] <pleia2> knome: is the plugin hosted online somewhere?
[20:21] <pleia2> we can submit it for review by canonical if it's ready while we finish the rest of the theme
[20:21] <knome> pleia2, not yet, i'm still doing a few modifications to it
[20:21] <knome> actually, i'm working with it right now
[20:22] <pleia2> ok :)
[20:22] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I think that's all we've got
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Okay, everybody please review the website for content
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Let's stay on top of this website change, too. The sooner we get things in for approval, the sooner we get operational
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Any questions for website?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Artwork
[20:23] <charlie-tca> ochosi: you get to be here today?
[20:23] <ochosi> yep
[20:23] <ochosi> so, basically the "big news" is that i think we settled on a new scrollbar style
[20:24] <ochosi> at least for now
[20:24] <ochosi> we went through several iterations
[20:24] <ochosi> and i fixed it insofar that firefox and libreoffice work with it now
[20:24] <ochosi> we dropped the scrollbar-arrows (at least visually)
[20:25] <ochosi> other than that, not many changes to be honest, mainly cleaning up behind the changes we did during the last few weeks
[20:25] <ochosi> feedback has been ok so far, but there could be more
[20:25] <ochosi> so feel free to test
[20:26] <charlie-tca> Feedback seems to be directly to connected to what is hated most?
[20:26] <ochosi> hm, up to now it was mainly feedback about the scrollbar
[20:26] <ochosi> but actually i think it has become positive (from sceptic in the beginning)
[20:26] <charlie-tca> Please, if you can test the new theme, do so. It is fully testable in Natty, right?
[20:26] <ochosi> yep
[20:27] <charlie-tca> You don't even have to install oneiric yet, so let's get some feedback on this new scrollbar.
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Any questions ?
[20:28] <Mandrew> hope i dont intrude. but if you drop me a link to the new theme im glad to be testing it
[20:28] <ochosi> Mandrew: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
[20:29] <charlie-tca> anyone else?
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Mandrew: thanks for testing the theme.
[20:29] <Mandrew> no thank you ;)
[20:29] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Documentation
[20:29] <charlie-tca> This is one of the areas that appears the weakest for us. 
[20:29] <charlie-tca> We had a person in that was looking into the wiki, is he here?
[20:31] <charlie-tca> well, okay then
[20:31] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Announcements
[20:31] <charlie-tca> That favorite subject is back again... Team Reports are due for June
[20:32] <charlie-tca> These can be updated by anyone, not just a select few.
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Just go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports
[20:32] <charlie-tca> click on the edit link for this month, and add your updates.
[20:32] <charlie-tca> We do a lot of work in Xubuntu, and this is how we get credit for it and track a lot of it.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Important dates coming rapidly:
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Debian Import Freeze: June 30
[20:33] <charlie-tca> 10.04.3 Freeze: June 30
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7
[20:34] <charlie-tca> We will need a new release for alpha2, and it should give the changes to default apps if we can.
[20:34] <charlie-tca> We can include the most critical bugs from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot
[20:36] <charlie-tca> We are trying to track things for the release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/OneiricOcelot/AlphaNotes
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> TOPIC - Any Other Business 
[20:38] <charlie-tca> Anything else we need to discuss? Anything we missed?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> oh, yes
[20:38] <jarnos> I missed a lot, I suppose.
[20:38] <charlie-tca> knome is now an IRC op in #xubuntu-devel
[20:39] <charlie-tca> jarnos: yes, we are almost finished, but there will be minutes posted to the wiki and ML's
[20:39] <jarnos> Did you chat about themes/style
[20:40] <charlie-tca> A little, yes. Did you have something specific in mind?
[20:40] <jarnos> Well, I have survived by one panel with many releases.
[20:41] <jarnos> Even with small screen 1024x600.
[20:41] <knome> and?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> So, launchers only on the bottom panel make it much easier to remove?
[20:42] <jarnos> Well, I think it would be worth thinking, if everything a default user needs can be in one panel. By the way, 
[20:43] <jarnos> In Natty there are many new panel elements.
[20:43] <Mandrew> i like the two panels that you guys have now:)
[20:43] <charlie-tca> In natty, we switched to Xfce 4.8, and that affected most of the components
[20:44] <charlie-tca> The panels were a complete re-write for Xfce, so it was a good opportunity to change them
[20:44] <jarnos> Mandrew, sometimes the autoshown bottom panel can be on way, if you e.g. scroll.
[20:44] <jarnos> Inicator plugin takes unneccessary lot panel space.
[20:44] <charlie-tca> It has never gotten in my way, even scrolling. We do have full size scroll areas, which helps
[20:45] <charlie-tca> What is in indicator panel that would not be on the panel in the notification area?
[20:46] <jarnos> charlie-tca, if you are careful, you don't accidentally unhide the panel.
[20:47] <jarnos> charlie-tca, well, I need currently only network manager, but it has volume control and that letter box and a lot of empty space in between.
[20:48] <charlie-tca> but that is you, personally.
[20:48] <jarnos> charlie-tca, volume control can be handled to some extent by conventional mixer in panel.
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Most of the users really prefer the mixer, and having the chat application.
[20:49] <charlie-tca> the mixer takes the same space, whether in notification area or indicator panel
[20:49] <charlie-tca> it is just a speaker icon
[20:49] <jarnos> charlie-tca, no, there is a lot of space between the icons in the indicator plugin.
[20:50] <charlie-tca> Truth be told, looking at my 11.04 and 10.04 side by side at the same resolution, it took more space for network manager applet and mixer in 10.04
[20:51] <jarnos> indicator plugin does not offer configuration
[20:51] <Mandrew> charlie-tca, i think he says that there is a lot of space between the icons
[20:51] <charlie-tca> We must always look at the overall user experience, not a single user. Every user is free to change the defaults
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Mandrew: I know, but 10.04 without indicator panel used more space than indicators do
[20:52] <Mandrew> i like that it makes it airy so to say
[20:52] <charlie-tca> You can remove indicator  plugin and use the notification area instead. 
[20:53] <jarnos> charlie-tca, when I removed the indicator plugin, I didn't get network manager in the notification area.
[20:54] <charlie-tca> I think you are correct. Ubuntu has tied network manager to indicators.
[20:54] <charlie-tca> And they may even tie more to them. We are not going to rebuild every app to undo what they do.
[20:55] <charlie-tca> Again, as a individual, you are allowed to make changes that fit your work style.
[20:56] <jarnos> By the way, wouldn't Switch user be a nice default item in panel? Without it you can switch, it you lock screen and make a new login, though.
[20:56] <jarnos> I wonder why it is not in the session menu.
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Won't that take even more room in the panel?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> ochosi: what do you think of adding the user switcher plugin to the panel by default?
[20:58] <jarnos> No, if it is in Session Menu, which itself may take a lot of space depending on your user name.
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Not sure we can add to the session menu, anyone know the answer?
[21:00] <jarnos> Is there any sense of keeping both Session Menu and Log Out Dialog?
[21:01] <charlie-tca> huh?
[21:01] <Unit193> I'm now here and read up :/
[21:01] <charlie-tca> by default you don't have both
[21:01] <jarnos> If I remember right, Ubuntu had switch user in it before.
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Default is now session menu. If you have both, you probably should delete the old ~/.config and ~/.cache and rebuild things
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu doesn't use the xfce session menu, it uses gnome stuff, which is different
[21:03] <charlie-tca> So, not having an answer, and having taken the allotted hour for this now, we could pursue this better on the Mailing List
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I want to thank everyone for participating in the weekly meeting. Your participation is important to us!
[21:03] <Mandrew> i can logout under my name in the right corner and in the bottom of my "start menu", and i have a fresh install
[21:03] <charlie-tca> The next meeting will be Sunday, July 3rd, at 22:00 UTC.
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Let's go update Team Reports!
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Mandrew: that's different
[21:04] <Mandrew> ok
[21:04] <charlie-tca> log out dialog is a quit button
[21:04] <charlie-tca> which the session menu replaced
[21:04] <charlie-tca> You can see the log out dialogs by using right-click on the panel, panel, logout
[21:05] <charlie-tca> which is a builtin for Xfce
[21:05] <Mandrew> ok cool
[21:07] <charlie-tca> ENDMEETING
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Now, I need help...
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Anyone know how to make the Evoluent Vertical Mouse work with a ps/2 adapter?
[21:19] <Mandrew> i would have a look in #ubuntu cuz its really alot of ppl there, but dont say your running xubuntu it might get nasty :(
[21:20] <charlie-tca> I never go in there 
[21:21] <charlie-tca> I can always a third keyboard to my desk, so I can bypass the kvm swithc
[21:21] <charlie-tca> s/swithc/switch
[21:21] <Mandrew> ok
[21:22] <Mandrew> charlie-tca, what is the tips and tricks part in this menu?    http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/fi6np6l7/1_007.png
[21:23] <charlie-tca> It's a tip that appears every time you login. They change each time, going through them at random
[21:23] <charlie-tca> They are tips for Xfce
[21:24] <Mandrew> ok cool i might just add that to the start then
[21:24] <charlie-tca> Most of them are valid for us, but there will be a couple that don't apply
[21:24] <Mandrew> ok
[21:24] <charlie-tca> yeah, it is just one more thing to close though
[21:24] <Mandrew> could be useful as a new user of xfce ;) 
[21:25] <Mandrew> ill try it and if i get enough its just to remove it
[21:26] <Mandrew> i posted you question in ubuntu but there is no reply, so i guess no one in there right now knows
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[21:29] <Mandrew> np ;)
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I guess I can make the server headless, too. Then I won't need the third keyboard
[22:59] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i've never used the user-switcher before tbh
[22:59] <ochosi> i'll install it and have a look
[23:04] <ochosi> charlie-tca: there are a few problems with that as far as i can see. the main problem is that it's an indicator, not a panel-plugin, which means we can't freely place it where we want (meaning that item will land anywhere among the other indicators installed)
[23:11] <orngjce223> I'm still in lucid and the panel-plugin user-switcher is in the package "xfswitch-plugin"
[23:11] <orngjce223> Not sure if it still exists in newer versions but it's there
[23:11] <ochosi> oh right
[23:11] <ochosi> thanks orngjce223, i'll try that one as well
[23:12] <ochosi> but anyway, it sounded a bit like they wanted indicator-session, because it includes user-switching and stuff from the session-menu
[23:12] <orngjce223> ...Not that it works on my system
[23:13] <ochosi> what doesn't work?
[23:13] <orngjce223> user switching
[23:13] <ochosi> oh
[23:13] <orngjce223> But that's why I'm going to install natty, fresh, on another partition
[23:13] <ochosi> just tested it, works for me
[23:13] <orngjce223> see if the bug's still there
[23:13] <orngjce223> Meh
[23:13] <ochosi> :)
[23:13] <ochosi> but anyway, it's a rather fugly plugin if you ask me
[23:13] <ochosi> only a button with an icon and no options at all
[23:13] <orngjce223> Could be specific to "hi I have a lowlatency kernel and a bunch of really contrived audio settings"
[23:14] <orngjce223> I dunno
[23:14] <ochosi> hm, prolly, dunno
[23:14] <orngjce223> If I had to put money on it I'd say more likely to be the audio fault
[23:14] <ochosi> i think having the user-switching as an item in the session-menu plugin would make more sense than this tiny launcher
[23:14] <orngjce223> the lowlatency kernel does nothing interesting by itself honestly, only when it's called by a program that's aware
[23:14] <orngjce223> But yeah
[23:14] <orngjce223> Meh
[23:26] <charlie-tca> ochosi: thanks for looking at it
[23:26] <ochosi> no problem
[23:26] <ochosi> i think that the user-switching should either go in the session menu or not into the panel, at least wrt how things are atm
[23:26] <charlie-tca> yup, jarnos wanted it in session menu, but I don't think we can tell it where to go in those terms
[23:27] <ochosi> well, we can file a feature request
[23:27] <ochosi> it's not a bad idea
[23:27] <charlie-tca> I have told it a couple of times "where to go", but never there
[23:27] <ochosi> same goes for locking the screen
[23:27] <charlie-tca> Well, personally, I think if people want all the pretties and functions of Ubuntu, they should have installed Ubuntu
[23:28] <ochosi> that's true in a wa
[23:28] <ochosi> y
[23:28] <ochosi> though i think as long as a request is meaningful i wouldn't drop it just because ubuntu has it
[23:29] <charlie-tca> No, but I get tired of hearing "Ubuntu does it"
[23:29] <ochosi> sure