[00:00] <Sekm> how do i fully qualify a path that is like, ~/.ssh/id_dsa ?
[00:03] <wereveal> Sekm: ~ refers to your home directory… cd ~ then pwd to get full path to it
[00:04] <Sekm> oh great, thankyou
[00:05] <wereveal> and some might say ~/.ssh/id_dsa is a fully qualified path
[00:05] <Sekm> not the program i'm using wereveal..
[00:06] <wereveal> hehe, yeah, only on the cli basically
[03:45] <AlphaPsi> When I set the windows partition to mount /windows , will it slow it down? Just setting it to mount /windows will allow me to access the file within it correct? Any other things I need to know about doing that?
[03:46] <holstein> AlphaPsi: that should do it
[03:46] <holstein> you might need to mess with permissions to write there, but i forget
[03:47] <AlphaPsi> And Windows can by default access the other partitions right?
[03:47] <holstein> AlphaPsi: did you go with a wubi?
[03:47] <holstein> or is this a native install
[03:47] <holstein> ?
[03:47] <AlphaPsi> native install
[03:47] <holstein> you can try it... i dont think windows can see ext partitions out of the box
[03:47] <holstein> but im sure there are tools for that
[03:48] <AlphaPsi> Oh oh well, thats okay if it didn't. But would setting it to mount slow down ubuntu ? Just curious
[03:48] <holstein> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-read-ext3ext4-linux-partition-from-windows-7.html
[03:49] <holstein> AlphaPsi: in theory, if you wanted it to auto mount at boot, it might take longer to boot..
[03:49] <holstein> other than that, i dont know how you would notice
[03:49] <holstein> speed-wise
[03:50] <AlphaPsi> So I probably should just set it /windows ?
[03:50] <AlphaPsi> I probably won't even notice the difference if I did than if I didn't, right?
[03:50] <holstein> AlphaPsi: i would give it some thought... im not dual booting
[03:50] <holstein> and you dont want to break anything in your windows partition
[03:51] <AlphaPsi> Hmm true, is there anyone else with experience with this?
[03:51] <holstein> AlphaPsi: i cant imagine how having a drive mounted or not would effect the speed of the OS
[03:51] <holstein> AlphaPsi: sure... i mean, i have one box set up to dual boot
[03:51] <holstein> BUT, i havent used windows on it
[03:51] <holstein> so im not going to do that next time
[03:51] <AlphaPsi> My windows partition is pretty big I think
[03:51] <holstein> i mean... do you need it?
[03:52] <AlphaPsi> I dont think so
[03:52] <AlphaPsi> probably not
[03:52] <holstein> i think most guys have a windows OS part, a linux OS part, and some kind of comfortable shared partition
[03:52] <holstein> assuming you need that
[03:53] <AlphaPsi> A shared partition?
[03:53] <AlphaPsi> How would I set that up?
[03:53] <holstein> AlphaPsi: lots of ways
[03:53] <holstein> something that both OS's use.. like a FAT32 partition that both OS's boot at login
[03:54] <holstein> then, you dont have to mount the windows OS partition
[03:54] <holstein> *not that theres anything wrong with that
[03:54] <holstein> i say, just use what you got, and see what you need
[03:54] <AlphaPsi> Hmm I /can/ make it so its mounted later on after I install right?
[03:54] <holstein> you can always just pop in nautilus and navigate that windows partition for a file real quick
[03:55] <holstein> AlphaPsi: you can make if do literally whatever you want :)
[03:55] <holstein> *within reason
[03:55] <AlphaPsi> haha alright, but how easy would making the partition mounted?
[03:55] <holstein> AlphaPsi: at boot?
[03:55] <holstein> you edit a file
[03:56] <AlphaPsi> Wait
[03:56] <AlphaPsi> What do you mean at boot? I don't think I'm understanding
[03:56] <AlphaPsi> I'm very new to this in general
[03:56] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[03:56] <holstein> AlphaPsi: when you log into ubuntu, the windows partition is mounted where ever you want it mounted
[03:56] <holstein> automatically.. at boot
[03:57] <AlphaPsi> so  I can literally set it up so its mounted at /ldjkgaskdhgakjsdhgakshdgkh if I wanted to?
[03:57] <holstein> sure
[03:58] <AlphaPsi> Hmm I probably won't set it mounted for now
[03:58] <AlphaPsi> I don't think I would even use it really
[03:58] <holstein> i set it up once, just to see it in action
[03:58] <holstein> i didnt use it at all though
[03:59] <holstein> i have an audio production machine that mounts an extra internal drive i use to record audio onto
[03:59] <holstein> that gets mounted at boot to ~/audio
[03:59] <holstein> or ~/tracker ? something like that
[03:59] <AlphaPsi> extra internal drive as in a partition?
[03:59] <AlphaPsi> or?
[04:00] <holstein> its just one big partition on there, yeah
[04:01] <AlphaPsi> Meh I don't think I even have files of importance/interest in the windows partition
[04:01] <AlphaPsi> So I won't haha
[04:01] <AlphaPsi> Hmm although I may make a shared partition
[04:02] <AlphaPsi> Whats the difference with FAT32 and Ext4?
[04:02] <holstein> well, if you are linux only, you want ext4 (arguably)
[04:03] <holstein> if not, then FAT32 is actually not a bad file system that mac win and lin can use with decent support all around
[04:03] <holstein> theres a limit to filesize with FAT32 i think
[04:03] <holstein> something big though...
[04:03]  * holstein looking
[04:04] <holstein> http://www.genie9.com/support/kb/KnowledgeArticle.aspx?KBID=113+
[04:04] <holstein> 4GB's is the limit
[04:04] <holstein> ntfs is not bad, but OSX doesnt seem to like it
[04:04] <holstein> at least thats been my finding
[04:05] <AlphaPsi> I don't think I'll hit that problem. Although I'm thinking of making a maybe 10GB partition thats shared, then the rest is my /home
[04:05] <AlphaPsi> is that a good idea?
[04:05] <holstein> AlphaPsi: you can always do ext, and use ext2read from http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2read/
[04:06] <holstein> AlphaPsi: really depends on what you need
[04:06] <holstein> i say, keep your data backed up, and your options open
[04:06] <holstein> try and live in it for a while, and see what you really want/need
[04:07] <AlphaPsi> Hmm alright I think I'm not going to make a shared partition nor mount the windows, I probably won't even use it heh
[04:08] <AlphaPsi> Haha, alright thanks holstein :) I'm going to do a native install now I guess
[05:23] <seidos> anyone know how to run tuxtype in a window?
[05:23] <robbmunson> I thought it originally did this?
[05:24] <seidos> hmmm, could be
[05:52] <selynda> ok so I was trying to play battle for wesnoth and when I run the program, it changes the screen resolution, then crashes, but I don't see the main title screen or anything, just my desktop, any ideas on what would cause this or even how to fix it?
[05:53] <holstein> selynda: my guess would be the graphics driver
[05:54] <holstein> selynda: you can try starting the game from the terminal
[05:54] <holstein> see if you get any helpful error information
[05:57] <selynda> good idea, am reinstalling right now, to see if that will do anything to
[05:58] <holstein> selynda: you can try stepping a version up or down on wesnoth
[05:59] <selynda> true, but 1.8 was working fine just a few days ago
[05:59] <holstein> selynda: OH.. you didnt say that
[05:59] <holstein> so, it was working fine?
[06:01] <selynda> soeey, yes it WAS working fine, now not so much
[06:01] <selynda> *sorry
[06:01] <holstein> selynda: you did an update, i assume?
[06:01] <holstein> and things went sour?
[06:01] <selynda> I did a system update yes
[06:01] <holstein> its really easy to go and boot into an older kernel
[06:02] <holstein> some other things are more challenging to troubleshoot
[06:02] <holstein> try and see what exactly got updated last upgrad
[06:02] <holstein> e
[06:02] <holstein> the temporary fix'll be downgrading whatever broke it
[06:03] <holstein> you'd need to find/make a bug report, and start pestering the proper folk
[06:05] <selynda_> how do I see a history of what was updated?
[06:06] <holstein> selynda_: check in synaptic
[06:06] <holstein> file - history
[06:10] <selynda_> http://pastebin.com/NMgg6hGE
[06:10] <holstein> selynda_: hey, that looks easy enough :)
[06:12] <selynda_> please tell me you're being sarcastic :P because I can't tell what it would be....
[06:12] <holstein> selynda_: i was thinking you'd get a list of like 100+ packages
[06:13] <holstein> my vote is one of the python updates
[06:13] <selynda_> that would make sense.....
[06:14] <selynda_> well I could try to reinstall video drivers, but I can't remember the command line to see which video driver/cards are installed
[06:15] <holstein> you could try something like https://launchpad.net/~vincent-c/+archive/wesnoth as well
[06:15] <holstein> selynda_: nah, i might be wrong, but i dont think its going to be the graphics driver now that you've sais it used to work fine
[06:16] <selynda_> ok
[06:19] <holstein> im out... good luck :)
[06:20] <selynda_> this is strange....
[06:20] <selynda_> http://pastebin.com/5x5qNnSd
[06:20] <selynda_> after I press "y" to install it aborts....
[06:22] <selynda_> nevermind, it has to be a "Y" as opposed to a "y".....
[06:37] <firstIRCtest> As you see from the name, I'm trying out IRC for the first time. Just seeing if anyone is there and trying to figure out how this works.
[06:38] <akshatj> firstIRCtest: try /me <some random thing you want to say>
[06:39] <akshatj> like /me is happy would produce
[06:39]  * akshatj is happy
[06:39]  * firstIRCtest I'm tying to get audio working on this machine.
[06:40]  * firstIRCtest What does the /me thing do?
[06:40]  * firstIRCtest I think it prints my screen name?
[06:40] <akshatj> you can also use /action which does the same thing as /me
[06:41]  * firstIRCtest test
[06:41]  * firstIRCtest I love troubleshooting linux problems.
[06:42] <akshatj> firstIRCtest: wrong usage of it :P
[06:42]  * akshatj loves troubleshooting
[06:43] <akshatj> use it like this
[06:43]  * firstIRCtest says hello to everyone, and thanks for the help.
[06:44] <akshatj> no problem :)
[06:45]  * firstIRCtest is wondering how many people tend to use IRC and why he was in the dark all this time.
[06:45] <firstIRCtest> :)
[08:02] <s0f7_mach1n> o/
[08:02]  * s0f7_mach1n finished his config of irssi
[08:03]  * s0f7_mach1n needs to burn one and chat
[08:47] <s0f7_mach1n> anyboby know how to get links to open in browser from irssi?
[08:47] <Unit193> s0f7_mach1n: What terminal?
[08:48] <s0f7_mach1n> using gnome-terminal
[08:49] <s0f7_mach1n> unless another is better
[08:52] <Unit193> Hmmm... Never used that one. You should be able to right click or scroller click
[08:58] <s0f7_mach1n> nvrmd
[08:58] <s0f7_mach1n> it has a built in feature that needed enabling
[08:58] <s0f7_mach1n> its almost TOO scriptable :D
[09:09] <balaji_> when using "ubuntu classic",menu bar is not displaying.. what may be the problem?
[09:11] <s0f7_mach1n> balaji_: natty?
[09:12] <balaji_> yeah
[09:12] <s0f7_mach1n> try ALT+F2 <gnome-panel> save desktop
[09:15] <s0f7_mach1n> pressing alt+f2 should still bring up the 'run dialog"
[09:15] <s0f7_mach1n> enter gnome-panel
[09:16] <s0f7_mach1n> or gnome-panel enter
[09:16] <s0f7_mach1n> your choice
[09:16] <balaji_> after entering gnome-panel nothing happens
[09:35] <kristian-aalborg> hi, any sewers/crafters out there who know of related software for Linux?
[09:44] <s0f7_mach1n> linux is powerful but crafts are still for humans
[09:46] <head_victim> kristian-aalborg: I've used kxstitch in the past to get cross stitch patterns for the wife.
[09:47] <head_victim> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/5289751097/in/photostream/
[09:48] <kristian-aalborg> hi, head_victim
[09:48] <head_victim> Gday kristian-aalborg
[09:49] <kristian-aalborg> lol @ the Ubuntu embroidering... lol in a good way :)
[09:52] <head_victim> She knocked it up as a birthday present for me and framed it. It sits here on my desk in the study.
[10:07] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, is it a heavy program to run? I see that it starts with a "K"...
[10:08] <head_victim> I'm not sure, I've only used it on a quad core with 10GB of ram so it didn't really even notice the "load"
[10:08] <head_victim> So it might be heavy or it might be extremely light sorry
[10:09] <kristian-aalborg> np, I'll figure it out
[10:10] <kristian-aalborg> I see there's a few pieces of software that will do this... I guess I'll find something light
[10:20] <head_victim> That's the main one in the repos, the others you'll need to manually install or add ppa's for.
[10:44] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, yes, I'll figure that out
[10:45] <coalwater> hi guys
[10:53] <s0f7_mach1n> anyone got a good text to lrn perl
[11:14] <coalwater> s0f7_mach1n, i dont really know perl, u might try asking in #ubuntu-beginners-dev
[11:14] <coalwater> if someone's around there they might know
[11:16] <s0f7_mach1n> coalwater: thanks
[17:51] <helios91> hey, i just upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10
[17:51] <helios91> and my computer won't boot
[17:51] <helios91> plz help
[17:52] <helios91> it says "disconnected from plymouth"
[17:52] <helios91> does anybody know where I can get help? I tried many ubuntuforums threads
[17:52] <helios91> couldn't solve my problem
[17:52] <helios91> plz help
[17:52] <helios91> anyone?
[17:58] <Abhijit> helios91, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1747784
[17:59] <helios91> @Abhijit, umm..there doesn't seem to be any solutions there?
[18:00] <helios91> plz forgive me I'm a newbie at ubuntu
[18:02] <Abhijit> ok
[18:02] <Abhijit> helios91, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1719572.html
[18:03] <helios91> @abhijit, yea I looked at it before coming here. Do you know how I can 'do a clean install of 11.04 on the root partition of 10.10'?
[18:03] <helios91> and thanks a lot for replying :)
[18:05] <Abhijit> helios91, just a regular install and select the root partition of 10.10 to be root partition of 11.04 tahts it
[18:06] <helios91> so like, can you tell me what to do now? as in I'm inside a previous version of ubuntu after 11.04 failed to boot.
[18:06] <helios91> do you mean insert the 10.10 CD?
[18:06] <helios91> and do the regular installation?
[18:07] <Abhijit> nope
[18:07] <Abhijit> insert 11.04 cd and just do the regular steps
[18:07] <helios91> I don't have the CD for that as I used the upgrade manager to upgrade to 11.04
[18:07] <helios91> What can I do from here?
[18:08] <helios91> Please refer to that thread you gave me..as I think it has the solution but I couldn't interpret it
[18:09] <Abhijit> cd of 11.04 is a must for clean install of 11.04
[18:10] <helios91> ah..so I guess I need to download it from ubuntu website and burn it?
[18:10] <helios91> or maybe create a usb from the iso image?
[18:10] <Abhijit> yeah
[18:10] <Abhijit> you can create usb
[18:11] <helios91> alright man, thanks a lot for the help. Much appreciated!
[19:27] <s-fox> Hello.
[19:37] <gillyman> i have my buddys computer, and it will not boot past the HP start up screen, can i do a system recovery with out the back up disks
[19:38] <gillyman> can one one help me please
[19:38] <holstein> gillyman: unfortunately, without being in front of the machine, its challenging to say what you can and cant do
[19:39] <gillyman> what i mean is can i do the system recov
[19:39] <holstein> i can say, if you are not familiar with recovery techniques, and you are trying to recover lost data, you can make the issue worse
[19:39] <holstein> gillyman: you mean *can* ? like, do you have the option to?
[19:39] <holstein> sure
[19:39] <gillyman> im just trying to get his computer going again
[19:40] <holstein> if its hanging at the boot screen, it could be hardware
[19:40] <gillyman> thats why im asking im trying to learn how to do all of this stuff
[19:40] <holstein> what i usually do is use an ubuntu live CD
[19:40] <gillyman> i tryed that once and thats want is was doing
[19:40] <holstein> i take the hard drive out, or unplug it... and see if i can get a live CD to boot
[19:41] <gillyman> i can get knoppics to boot
[19:41] <holstein> gillyman: if you cant get the machine to boot the live CD, then, the issue has *nothing* to do with the current hard drive, or whats on it
[19:41] <gillyman> i can get it to do the live boot, just not from the hard drive
[19:41] <holstein> gillyman: from that knoppix live boot, i would want to start testing
[19:42] <gillyman> ok
[20:04] <coalwater> i need help to fix my grub
[20:04] <coalwater> anyone's around
[20:04] <coalwater> i got thru the grub rescue and booted, now i want to save the settings ,but i dont know how or where
[20:06] <Unit193> coalwater: I'm not exactly sure what you are looking for, but is it this? /etc/default/grub
[20:08] <coalwater> ill check
[20:11] <coalwater> Unit193, well, i want something that makes me choose which hda it shoulaccess
[20:11] <coalwater> should access*
[20:11] <coalwater> i think it uses UUID
[20:11] <coalwater> hm
[20:14] <Unit193> os-prober will check to see what operating systems you have, commenting out GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 in /etc/default/grub will give you the grub boot menu (I still don't seem to follow, maybe you should wait for the next person)
[20:15] <stlsaint> coalwater: are you using legacy or 2?
[20:15] <coalwater> grub2, its natty
[20:16] <coalwater> i already see the grub menu, because i have a windows and a previous kernel i think
[20:16] <stlsaint> coalwater: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Command Line and Rescue Mode
[20:17] <coalwater> the pc goes into grub rescue, i printed out a grub rescue how to from work today, and when i got home it only took me 2 mins to get my self working
[20:18] <coalwater> yea i think i need to change the root UUID
[20:18] <stlsaint> coalwater: that link should square you away
[20:19] <coalwater> but isn't that uuid a bit shor
[20:19] <coalwater> short
[20:20] <coalwater> in gparted it says the partition i want has uuid=531c0140-6715-412b-94d3-442b3e31154c
[20:20] <coalwater> do i remove the dashes
[20:22] <stlsaint> nope
[20:22] <stlsaint> you mean for grub?
[20:22] <coalwater> yea
[20:22] <stlsaint> no the dashes remain
[20:24] <coalwater> ok
[20:24] <coalwater> ill reboot and try adding this uuid
[20:24] <coalwater> but i need to write it down first lol
[20:24] <coalwater> is there a way to list uuid from grub or something
[20:27] <coalwater> ok brb :D
[20:37] <coalwater> ok how can i fix grub from an active session :D lol, i failed on the uuid thing
[20:37] <holstein> coalwater: ive had success with the live CD method
[20:38] <holstein> if you somehow got booted into the box with the issue, sudo update-grub should fix everything
[20:38] <holstein> but thats never been the case for me...
[20:42] <coalwater> ok holstein , ill give it one more reboot, just done the update, and i did something before grub-mkconfig, w/e that is lol
[20:44] <coalwater> holstein, nope :D needed to do grub rescue again
[20:46] <coalwater> ok a new idea to try :D rebooting
[21:06] <coalwater> victory :D
[21:07] <coalwater> though i needed to use a gui app, but o well, we could learn to do it from terminal some other time lol
[21:46] <otisthinair> hello all
[21:50] <otisthinair> am I just talking to myself or are yall away?
[21:50] <Sidewinder1> otisthinair, Hi
[21:51] <holstein> otisthinair: check out -team if you'd like to hang out and talk :)
[21:54] <Sidewinder1> otisthinair,  Or, #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:57] <otisthinair> first IRC, still have no idea what I am doing
[21:57] <holstein> otisthinair: welcome to the channel
[21:58] <holstein> when you join a channel, its a good idea to take a look at the topic
[21:58] <holstein> if you dont see it at the top of your client somewhere, you can run the command
[21:58] <holstein>   /topic
[21:59] <otisthinair> so do I just type "/topic"
[22:00] <holstein> otisthinair: try it :)
[22:03] <otisthinair> it popped up with: Usage: /topic <topic>: set the topic of the current conversation 16:58
[22:03] <otisthinair> so no topic right now?
[22:03] <holstein> otisthinair: depends on what chat client you are using
[22:03] <holstein> what are you using?
[22:15] <otisthinair> emapathy. does that make sense?
[22:17] <Sidewinder1> otisthinair, To heck with the topic (within reason), just type your question...
[22:20] <otisthinair> Sorry. How would I go about changing my server?