[00:00] <zub> by this point I have to say I don't care about being able to go to #ubuntu, though I do wonder why have I got the ban
[00:00] <LjL> zub: the issue is that you appears to have been caught by a ban on some possibly malicious people/bots.
[00:00] <zub> ok, finally some info
[00:00] <zub> after two days of kefkesque replies
[00:00] <LjL> zub: i assume you're very sure you don't have anything to do with them bots?
[00:01] <zub> I am sure and I want to know why and why banned me...
[00:01] <LjL> zub: it's your ident. may i ask what it is? it seems relatively unique.
[00:01] <mneptok> zub: they did not ban *you*. they banned abusive clients and your ident/mask is caught in that net.
[00:01] <zub> from what I know I got the ban on may 15th, and last time I was in #ubuntu was on may 10th
[00:02] <zub> mneptok: aah
[00:02] <zub> I thought the "ident" means me = my registered nick, though obviously I don't know freenode
[00:02] <zub> funny thing is that up to now nobody told me
[00:02] <LjL> zub: nope, your ident appears to be "U2FsdGVkX1"
[00:02] <mneptok> zub: change ident and the problem will resolve itself. however, if it turns out later that you ARE one of the abusive clients (and i'm not saying you are) we will probably escalate the issue to Freenode.
[00:03] <LjL> zub: are you connecting from some sort of institution perhaps?
[00:03] <mneptok> zub: in other words, "tread lightly once that ident is changed"
[00:03] <zub> LjL: yes - http://www-en.fjfi.cvut.cz/DesktopDefault.aspx?ModuleId=1379
[00:04] <LjL> zub: then i assume you can't change that ident. hmm
[00:04] <mneptok> LjL: a previous abusive client with that ident was from chello.nl, so i doubt it's institutional.
[00:04] <zub> well, now I'm finally getting some info, which is good
[00:04] <zub> as for the particular ban - I don't care, it can stay in place
[00:04] <zub> it just that I had the feeling I was banned personally and that made me moderately angry and curious...
[00:05] <mneptok> zub: it wasn't you. but i can ban you personally if you'd like justification for you indignation. ;)
[00:05] <LjL> zub: until we can discuss the issue with the operator who set the ban, if you want, we can set a temporary exemption for you from the ban. but it will have to be reset every time you join. just ask here. would you like one now?
[00:05] <zub> hm, so, before I leave you... could anybody pls. explain this ident thing on freenode?
[00:06] <LjL> zub: type /whois zub
[00:06] <LjL> it will show that [01:06:10] [Whois] zub is U2FsdGVkX1@linux.fjfi.cvut.cz (David)
[00:06] <mneptok> zub: it's not just Freenode. it's part of the IRC RFC.
[00:06] <zub> well, the idents here seem different than what I'm used to
[00:06] <LjL> zub: zub!U2FsdGVkX1@linux.fjfi.cvut.cz is called your "hostmask", and in particular the "U2FsdGVkX1" part is called your ident
[00:06] <mneptok> ident daemons on Unix servers usually use UNAME for ident
[00:07] <zub> well, normally I see ^username or ~username here, not U2FsdGVkX1
[00:07] <LjL> zub: your ident can be set in two ways. either from your client, or from an "identd" daemon running on your machine. in this case, it's the latter - and that means you can't change it yourself, the sysadmin has to
[00:07] <zub> (on ircnet for example)
[00:07] <LjL> zub: well i don't know why that is, but maybe your sysadmin treats freenode specially for some reason unknown to me
[00:08] <zub> ah, I see you have a reasonable ident - so I wonder how come I have this
[00:08] <zub> anyway - I giess that's all I needed to no
[00:08] <LjL> i have no idea
[00:08] <LjL> all i know from the web is this: The first several characters – U2FsdGVkX1/ – are the base64 encoding of “salted__”.
[00:08] <mneptok> zub: also, if your sysadmin uses the same ident string for *every* user, that's an extremely poor idea.
[00:08] <LjL> so this is not a random ident
[00:08] <LjL> but i have no clue why you would have it
[00:08] <zub> mneptok: by "user" I mean $USER = zub
[00:08] <LjL> zub: that's usually what the ident is set to, indeed, the user name on the machine
[00:09] <zub> ok, I'll look into why does it eng up with such ugly string
[00:09] <mneptok> zub: it is possible to tell an ident daemon to return the same ident string for every user. this is a terrible idea. ensure your sysadmin is not doing this, or is struck with a cluebat.
[00:09] <zub> anyway now I know all I needed (apart from why I ahev such ugly ident, which is for me to investigate)
[00:10] <LjL> zub: i'm sorry for the delay in letting you know, but we were a bit puzzled as well.
[00:10] <zub> I got the assumption (wrong one) that freenode just reinterprets the ident somehow
[00:10] <zub> I wodner why, though... I do not wish to pry into your secrets :-P
[00:10] <zub> but it felt kafquesque...
[00:11] <zub> anyway, so I consider this resolved... I don't need any exception and I don't care if the ban stays in place
[00:11] <zub> thanks and bye
[00:11] <LjL> zub: well just pop back here if you do need one later
[00:11] <mneptok> zub: well, i can /kick you, and prove there is an exit. with Kafka, there is *never* an exit. ;)
[00:12] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops zub Please provide an exempt for zub from #ubuntu-ops-monitor when they request one. They're seemingly caught by an ident ban on a bunch of bots.
[00:12] <mneptok> LjL: my wife just discovered the existence of Nutellerias. if there is one near you, we may need to borrow your sofa.
[00:14] <IdleOne> I remember as a kid my grand mother refusing to by any "threats" of any kind but nutella was like buying pasta. we ALWAYS had some in the house
[00:15] <IdleOne> treats*
[00:15] <IdleOne> heh
[00:15] <LjL> we don't have nutellerias :(
[00:15] <IdleOne> she wouldn't buy threats either though
[00:15] <IdleOne> dinner...
[00:16] <mneptok> LjL: apparently there is one in Bologna
[00:16] <popey> i had to google, but also guessed a nutellerias is basically a shop that sells nutella?
[00:17] <mneptok> popey: quite so.
[00:17] <popey> golly
[00:23] <bazhang> uhgtt same one as this ooohwhateverblah
[00:40] <bazhang> hes making no sense
[02:20] <Corey> Time to add a !zune factoid?
[02:20] <Corey> aka "It don't work."
[02:56] <mneptok> "Consult your OEMs published system requirements."
[03:08] <Corey> mneptok: Indeed.
[07:25] <Jordan_U> Anyone mind dealing with bronaugh in #ubuntu-offtopic? (see initial problem in #ubuntu).
[07:37] <Corey> Sure.
[08:28] <ikonia> hello Canis
[08:28] <Canis> Hello
[08:28] <ikonia> how can we help you today ?
[08:28] <Canis> Oh no, I just clicked a link here
[08:29] <Canis> I forgot to exit
[08:29] <Canis> Good day/night
[08:29] <ikonia> ha
[08:29] <ikonia> no problem
[13:35] <bazhang> shockrates = Goliath
[13:36] <Pici> Is he banned?
[13:36] <Pici> I was thinking about removing the bot bug stuff from !bugs
[13:37] <bazhang> not by his cloak, if so
[13:37] <tsimpson> Pici: I think that's probably a good idea and moving that to another factoid
[13:37] <Pici> tsimpson: great, I'll make the change then.
[13:38] <Pici> I'll leave it in !botbugs when I'm done.
[13:38] <tsimpson> great :)
[13:39] <Pici> !botbugs
[13:39] <Pici> !bugs
[13:44] <tsimpson> hopefully I'll get no more ubuntu bugs reported against ubuntu-bots, though that did reduce after ubuntu made it "harder" to use the +reportbug page
[13:44] <Pici> It never really did belong in the !bugs factoid anyway, and the folks more-likely to log a bug against the bot probably know how to do so anyway.
[14:36] <genii-around> Heh, I thought jpds was kidding about international caps lock day, but apparently it really is!
[14:38] <Pici> great.
[14:39] <LjL> GREAT!
[14:40] <jpds> genii-around: WOULD I LIE TO YOU!??!
[14:40] <jpds> Oh, wait... don't answer that.
[14:40] <genii-around> jpds: Hmmm
[14:40] <genii-around> Well, at least caps lock day isn't falling on speak like a pirate day....
[14:45] <jpds> Why do people insist on using unsupport releases.
[14:58] <Pici> le sigh
[15:27] <gord> those people are great :P
[15:27] <gord> bug reports \o/
[17:35] <Pici> PythonSnake: Can we help you?
[17:36] <PythonSnake> No thanks ;D
[17:36] <Pici> PythonSnake: If you have nothing to discuss, then we ask that you depart the channel.
[17:36] <Pici> See /topic
[17:37] <PythonSnake> I was chatting with ubottu
[17:37] <PythonSnake> and entered "anything that is here"
[17:37] <ikonia> I'm getting tired of this
[17:37] <PythonSnake> he answered Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail
[17:38] <PythonSnake> is that a bug ?
[17:38] <Pici> PythonSnake: No, ubottu thought that you were making a factoid edit.
[17:38] <Pici> [something] *is* [something else]
[17:38] <PythonSnake> oh
[17:38] <PythonSnake> sorry
[17:38] <PythonSnake> :)
[17:40] <Pici> !usage > PythonSnake
[18:01] <ikonia> @mark
[18:01] <ikonia> oops
[18:02] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu Puuks was given the answer in the channel to his question, was given the answer in pm to his question after he hassled me directly, then asked again in the channel despite others also telling him the info
[18:03] <Pici> Why not put that on the banforward comment?
[18:04] <ikonia> Pici: I shall
[18:31] <IdleOne> !bot > anonboo
[18:52] <Corey> I probably should have asked here first, but is www.askmebetter.com considered appropriate?
[18:54] <oCean> it's somewhat similar to !details, so I don't see why it would not be appropriate
[18:54] <Corey> !details
[18:54] <Corey> Gotcha.
[18:54] <Corey> I didn't know that was there.
[18:54] <Corey> Thanks!
[18:54] <Pici> nooww you knooowww
[19:41] <shockrates> hey
[19:41] <Pici> Hello
[19:41] <Pici> How can we help you today?
[19:42] <shockrates> can someone please add those 2 deb packages in ubuntu repository? http://pcsxr.codeplex.com/releases/view/50048 Thanks
[19:43] <Pici> shockrates: you should have received information from ubottu on how to go about requesting those be added/
[19:43] <shockrates> Pici: i read it
[19:43] <shockrates> its already packaged
[19:43] <shockrates> someone just should add it. (if i was in archlinux i would have addeded myself)
[19:43] <Pici> shockrates: Okay, and that lead you to this channel how?
[19:43] <maco> shockrates: did you put the source packages on REVU?
[19:44] <maco> shockrates: if so, #ubuntu-motu is the place to go to get the package reviewed and sponsored. if not, go do that
[19:46] <Pici> shockrates: could you answer our questions?
[19:52] <Pici> I need a break from IRC for a few hours. I'm getting edgy.
[20:05] <jussi> Pici: you are an awesome source of info today :)
[20:09] <LjL> s/today//
[20:09] <Pici> Thanks :)
[20:24] <LjL-Yaaic> i am without electricity, no idea when itll come back
[20:24] <oCean> aye
[20:25] <Pici> is your AC tripping your circuit breakers?
[20:29] <jussi> Congratulations to genii-around on being the first IRC member approved by the IRCC :=)
[20:29] <Tm_T> uh, we had a meeting?
[20:29] <genii-around> Coffee for all!
[20:29] <Pici> genii-around: congrats :)
[20:30]  * oCean grabs his mug
[20:30] <Tm_T> genii-around: congratulations and welcome aboard
[20:30] <Corey> Yay!
[20:32] <genii-around> Thanks people
[20:32] <jussi> Tm_T: on sunday, yes
[20:32] <jussi> Tm_T: I expect you were juhannus'ing
[20:32] <Tm_T> jussi: you forget I don't do any of those (:
[20:33] <Tm_T> just like I don't do birthdays or any other holidays
[20:33] <jussi> genii-around: I expect you want a cloak?
[20:33] <genii-around> jussi: Yes please. Do I go ask now in #freenode ?
[20:33] <jussi> no
[20:34] <jussi> Corey: can has cloak for genii-around?
[20:34] <jussi> or nhandler?
[20:34] <tsimpson> or niko
[20:34] <genii-around> Work :( Back in 5-10
[20:35] <niko> hi
[20:35] <niko> ubuntu/member cloak ?
[20:35] <tsimpson> please :)
[20:35] <Pici> o.O
[20:36] <Tm_T> gnii-around?
[20:36] <oCean> gnii !
[20:36] <jussi> niko: ?
[20:36] <jussi> lol
[20:36] <oCean> gniihihihi
[20:36] <Pici> the account name is genii too
[20:36] <niko> lol, sorry
[20:36]  * Tm_T huggles all with all warmness they can
[20:37] <niko> stupid alias
[20:37] <nhandler> Fixed
[20:37] <jussi> 3 different cloaks! :D
[20:37] <Corey> Doh,niko beat me to it.
[20:38] <jussi> haha
[20:38] <genii-around> Cool.
[20:38] <niko> genii-around: you should record that :)
[20:54] <oCean> hi edbian
[20:54] <edbian> We volunteer on this channel to help others.  Are there people that do this support as their job?
[20:54] <edbian> oCean: whatup
[20:54] <edbian> :)
[20:55] <oCean> sure there are 'real' jobs in support
[20:55] <oCean> how come you ask us?
[20:55] <edbian> IDK who else to ask
[20:55] <edbian> :P
[20:55] <edbian> Does Ubuntu offer these jobs?
[20:56] <edbian> Who should I be talking to ?
[20:56] <Tm_T> Ubuntu doesn't offer jobs, its companies like Canonical (:
[20:56] <oCean> well, there's canonical, that does provide support, so they must have jobs for that
[20:57] <edbian> oCean: thanks, I'll check out that site.
[21:00] <oCean> LjL-Yaaic: are you a known troll?
[21:00] <LjL-PowerPlz> oCean: positive
[21:01] <oCean> cool
[21:01] <LjL-PowerPlz> i need a hand crank for my air conditioning
[21:02] <LjL-PowerPlz> and also for 3g, if this lasts much longer :P
[21:03] <oCean> I may have a hand crank radio somewhere...
[21:04] <LjL-PowerPlz> nerd
[21:05] <oCean> and a solar-power-cell-phone-recharger
[21:05] <oCean> never used either one
[21:06] <LjL-PowerPlz> those are expensive
[21:07] <oCean> the recharger? It's like 25 or 30 euros
[21:07] <oCean> it comes with batteries!
[21:07] <LjL-PowerPlz> hmm i've seen them for more
[21:09] <oCean> If I could find it, it'd be yours
[21:09] <oCean> batteries not included :p
[21:12] <jussi> LjL-PowerPlz: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dynamo-hand-crank-usb-cell-phone-emergency-charger-24036 and http://www.dealextreme.com/p/solar-powered-self-recharging-3-led-flashlight-phone-charger-28935 for example
[21:14] <oCean> good ol' dealextreme :)
[21:14] <jussi> dealextreme is awesom
[21:14] <jussi> the first one is under 3$
[21:14] <jussi> :D
[21:19] <LjL-PowerPlz> or maybe i could buy an UPS :P
[21:19] <LjL-PowerPlz> the 800 number says there's blackouts in several streets, will take "about an hour" to fix
[21:20] <LjL-PowerPlz> pity an hour has already passed since this started
[21:20] <oCean> we have this massive V12 diesel generator at work
[21:20] <oCean> it NOISY when it runs
[21:23] <genii-around> LjL-PowerPlz: How long is your phone good for like this?
[21:23] <LjL-PowerPlz> genii-around: not very long i'm afraid, i'm using it as wifi hotspot and it gets VERY hot
[21:23] <LjL-PowerPlz> oh lord now alarms are going off, yay
[21:24] <genii-around> Air Raid!
[21:43] <Tm_T> good night
[21:56] <LjL> maybe it's back for real
[22:04] <Testbe_> hello
[22:04] <Testbe_> i want complain
[22:04] <LjL> hi
[22:04] <Testbe_> LjL: Why can BluesKaj always post  the list
[22:04] <Testbe_> i do not need it
[22:04] <LjL> Testbe_: blueskaj didn't "post a list", he called the ops to deal with you
[22:05] <Testbe_> yes he post it
[22:05] <Testbe_> he did
[22:05] <LjL> ok so he did
[22:05] <LjL> who cares
[22:05] <Testbe_> he typed !ops > and ! ops |
[22:05] <Testbe_> and it annoys me always to get a pm
[22:05] <LjL> Testbe_: the point is, you're really not supposed to say things like "everyone stop talking" and "we can't help you because i need help now" on #Ubuntu
[22:05] <Testbe_> and to get a highlight
[22:05] <LjL> Testbe_: well then perhaps you shouldn't troll the channel
[22:05] <LjL> then people wouldn't call ops on you
[22:05] <Testbe_> and pms are forbidden
[22:05] <LjL> no they aren't
[22:05] <Testbe_> i do not know how he did this
[22:06] <Testbe_> to call an op
[22:06] <Testbe_> s
[22:06] <LjL> PMs are not "forbidden", i don't know where you get that idea
[22:06] <Testbe_> i feel worst harassment
[22:06] <Testbe_> ok
[22:06] <Testbe_> it is the rules
[22:06] <LjL> which rules?
[22:06] <Testbe_> "Ask your question in the channel that is most relevant to your query"
[22:06] <Testbe_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[22:07] <LjL> and that forbids PMs, how?
[22:07] <Testbe_> there stands he should ask in the channel
[22:07] <Testbe_> and not me in the query
[22:07] <genii-around> Testbe_: Which actually in this case when you asked about installing kubuntu, should have been the #kubuntu channel
[22:07] <LjL> you're misreading it.
[22:07] <LjL> that rule absolutely doesn't forbid PMs
[22:07] <Testbe_> ok
[22:07] <Testbe_> you should add this rule
[22:08] <Testbe_> it is very annoying to be highlighted
[22:08] <LjL> no
[22:08] <Corey> Testbe_: Most unlikely.
[22:08] <LjL> we shouldn't
[22:08] <LjL> Testbe_: are you Lars?
[22:08] <Testbe_> no
[22:08] <Testbe_> okay can i get voice
[22:08] <LjL> Testbe_: only if you understand that you are really not supposed to behave like you behaved
[22:08] <Testbe_> ok
[22:08] <LjL> Testbe_: or for that matter, to complain loudly if someone highlights you
[22:08] <Testbe_> less arroganze ?
[22:09] <LjL> Testbe_: less of the whole "i need help so everyone shut up" thing
[22:09] <Testbe_> ok
[22:09] <Testbe_> thanks
[22:09] <Testbe_> but everybody talkes
[22:09] <Testbe_> and writes something
[22:09] <LjL> that's what a big channel causes
[22:09] <LjL> can't be helped
[22:09] <Testbe_> ok ok
[22:09] <Corey> Testbe_: Quite. That's why you ask your question all on one line, and wait for people to assist.
[22:10] <Gary> a /lastlog testbe_ seems to show that they were just trolling, imho
[22:10] <Corey> Gary!
[22:10] <Gary> hey Corey babes!
[22:10] <LjL> hi gary
[22:11] <Gary> hey LjL, you lot all good then?
[22:11] <LjL> i'm alright, you?
[22:11] <oCean> who's Gary ?
[22:11] <oCean> hi Gary!
[22:12] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops Testbe_ Probably LarsTorbens, anyway ban removed for now
[22:12] <Gary> I'm good, still busy irl, but doing well.
[22:13] <Gary> hey oCean, you're a new(ish) op in #u aren't you?  welcome!
[22:13] <oCean> indeed and thx
[22:16] <Corey> Gary: Same here.
[23:27] <IdleOne> !scope > PythonSnake
[23:34] <LjL> wut
[23:34] <LjL> ah
[23:39] <LjL> [00:38:28] <grex23> what the hell
[23:39] <LjL> [00:38:36] <grex23> how the fuck did you get ops?
[23:39] <LjL> [00:38:45] <LjL> that's none of your business
[23:39] <LjL> [00:38:55] <grex23> yes its my business cause ill get you klined
[23:39] <LjL> [00:39:11] <grex23> now scram
[23:39] <tonyyarusso> heh
[23:43] <LjL> [00:41:47] <grex23> BANG BANG BANG your italian you must be familiar with la famiglia
[23:43] <LjL> [00:42:29] <grex23> *BANG* still ignored tho
[23:46] <tonyyarusso> just add them to the bantracker notes
[23:46] <LjL> i did
[23:47] <Corey> I fail to see the value that shellmix.com brings to our namespace.
[23:48] <LjL> it would be better if they had a least a cloak