| hamitron | shauno: I'd be getting 4 less cd | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| popey | now, where are those booklets! | 00:00 |
| popey | good question! | 00:00 |
| hamitron | shauno: I guess no goodies, but a range of version cd would be better | 00:00 |
| czajkowski | and you can give the bag to whoever wants it | 00:00 |
| shauno | surprised they don't sell any of the books. my head wants to think they'd make a decent bundle pack thingie | 00:00 |
| hamitron | 32/64bit, live+alt cd | 00:00 |
| czajkowski | popey: thank you for storing the stuff never said thanks! my manner! | 00:01 |
| hamitron | 4 cd in 1 pack = win | 00:01 |
| shauno | I think coming as a bunch of options would ruin the "this is easy" thing they're trying to sell | 00:01 |
| czajkowski | I'll bring you back an irish breakie roll, | 00:01 |
| * popey wanders off to look for things | 00:01 | |
| hamitron | shauno: make it "collectors edition for geek" | 00:01 |
| shauno | heh, the store say they're not shipping natty until early may. I wonder how often they update those =x | 00:02 |
| hamitron | in a tin box | 00:02 |
| hamitron | \o/ | 00:02 |
| shauno | hm, reminds me, I meant to take another bash at grub-efi and try writing some of it down this time | 00:04 |
| hamitron | oh | 00:04 |
| hamitron | http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=765 | 00:04 |
| hamitron | they do offer it | 00:04 |
| hamitron | just not the version I want | 00:05 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:05 |
| shauno | you mean they don't still sell 8.06? *gasp* | 00:05 |
| hamitron | be nice to have 32+64 bit as well | 00:05 |
| shauno | or is that too new :p | 00:05 |
| hamitron | I only want the latest LTS | 00:05 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 00:05 |
| hamitron | *latest* | 00:05 |
| hamitron | ;p | 00:05 |
| hamitron | cutting edge me | 00:06 |
| hamitron | ;) | 00:06 |
| shauno | lol | 00:06 |
| shauno | I'm just hoping ubuntu gets over it's ugly teenage years before the next lts. else I'm likely back to debian :/ | 00:07 |
| BigRedS | wait, you use debian and regard ubuntu as ugly? | 00:08 |
| hamitron | I'm giving it real consideration, packing my own stuff | 00:08 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:08 |
| hamitron | if I choose everything myself, I have nobody to moan at | 00:08 |
| BigRedS | ah, lfs! | 00:08 |
| hamitron | I'd certainly use lfs for reference | 00:09 |
| hamitron | :) | 00:09 |
| shauno | BigRedS: I more mean as an awkward stage it's going thru, more than actual aesthetics | 00:09 |
| BigRedS | Ah, we're back to me being an edge-case :) | 00:10 |
| hamitron | kinda like MS with Windows Vista? ;) | 00:11 |
| BigRedS | not really, it's only aesthetic here | 00:11 |
| BigRedS | and it's optional, just default | 00:11 |
| BigRedS | more like 2k to XP from a UI perspective | 00:12 |
| hamitron | that too | 00:12 |
| BigRedS | ish. I wasn't very aware of that one :) | 00:12 |
| hamitron | I jumped from windows 2000 to windows 7 | 00:12 |
| hamitron | haha | 00:12 |
| hamitron | I really found the UI a huge leap | 00:12 |
| hamitron | still feel lost tbh | 00:13 |
| BigRedS | I find 7 way easier than XP | 00:13 |
| BigRedS | I think. I don't do very much with 7 | 00:13 |
| hamitron | I just don't do much | 00:14 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:14 |
| hamitron | not finding anything easy | 00:14 |
| hamitron | LXDE is pretty good | 00:15 |
| hamitron | but that is just 1 thing | 00:15 |
| BigRedS | I got annoyed with lxde and went back to just editing the files myself... | 00:15 |
| BigRedS | it felt so thrown together | 00:15 |
| hamitron | you use something like fluxbox? | 00:16 |
| BigRedS | not at the minute, but lxde's just openbox | 00:16 |
| hamitron | I've found lxde to just work | 00:16 |
| hamitron | so not really given it much thought | 00:17 |
| hamitron | :) | 00:17 |
| BigRedS | and I keep going back to *box and then get bored of making it work how I want it to and going back to gnome :) | 00:17 |
| hamitron | Gnome kills my machines | 00:17 |
| BigRedS | ah yeah. New laptops rock :) | 00:17 |
| hamitron | I can run Gnome fine, but lack memory for firefox | 00:17 |
| hamitron | so lxde just gives me a little more free memory, so I am not "as short" | 00:18 |
| hamitron | still short ofc ;/ | 00:18 |
| BigRedS | ah yeah. XFCE's not the lightweight gnome it used to be, either :( | 00:18 |
| hamitron | nope | 00:19 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:19 |
| hamitron | fluxbox is good for sure | 00:19 |
| shauno | when you start using stuff like firefox & OOo, worrying about how much ram your DE uses becomes fairly pointless | 00:19 |
| hamitron | but I don't want to have to tweak something | 00:19 |
| hamitron | shauno: just firefox | 00:19 |
| hamitron | ;) | 00:19 |
| hamitron | firefox runs fine on 512Mb RAM, if there isn't much else there | 00:20 |
| hamitron | and I don't go crazy on tabs | 00:20 |
| hamitron | I do curse firefox too though, but gotta have a web browser | 00:20 |
| hamitron | I value the application more than the DE | 00:21 |
| BigRedS | Mm, firefox does seem to do alright on low memory, it just does use a bunch if it's available | 00:22 |
| * BigRedS notices the time | 00:22 | |
| BigRedS | sleepytime I think... night all! | 00:23 |
| hamitron | nn BR | 00:23 |
| shauno | was just thinking about the time too. just finished dinner & I'm still starving. I shouldn't have waited until everything was closed :/ | 00:23 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:24 |
| BigRedS | hah, yeah, I keep making that mistake. Cannot get used to things closing in the countryside, having grown up in London | 00:25 |
| Azelphur | is there any way to use ffmpeg to amplify the volume on a video? | 00:25 |
| hamitron | Azelphur: there will be | 00:26 |
| hamitron | ;) | 00:26 |
| hamitron | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1153179.html | 00:27 |
| Azelphur | fun | 00:28 |
| shauno | good lord. running VMs off the ssd is blistering. me likey! | 00:48 |
| hamitron | :) | 00:51 |
| hamitron | I want 4Gb of my RAM back :/ | 00:51 |
| hamitron | lent it to a temp rig for bitcoin mining | 00:51 |
| shauno | heh. one born every minute ;) | 00:52 |
| hamitron | I could put up with it before this heat | 00:52 |
| hamitron | but now I'm just getting impatient | 00:53 |
| popey | hah | 00:53 |
| popey | right, stuff this! bed | 00:53 |
| popey | nn chaps | 00:53 |
| shauno | what's responsible for the bubble notification things top-right? | 00:54 |
| shauno | or more importantly, how do I make them stop | 00:54 |
| popey | ask ali1234 | 00:54 |
| popey | he's the expert and making them FOAD | 00:55 |
| popey | nn | 00:55 |
| shauno | ali1234: help! I have fire. I want to burn them. where do I aim? | 00:55 |
| shauno | is there any way to dismiss them atleast? they disappear if I go near them. but come back again :/ | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | bubble notifications? | 02:05 |
| ali1234 | shauno: you mean the notify-osd? | 02:05 |
| shauno | yeah. popups top-right that tell me downloads have finished & such | 02:06 |
| shauno | I can't decide whether they're too different to what I'm used to. or if they really are as idiotic as they feel | 02:07 |
| ali1234 | dunno how to get rid of them | 02:08 |
| ali1234 | i don't see them very often due to a bug in unity | 02:08 |
| ali1234 | which renders them outside the visible screen area | 02:08 |
| shauno | I'm just using classic. it has a few things irk me, but unity has few things that don't | 02:09 |
| ali1234 | well bug is probably in libnofity or compiz actually | 02:11 |
| shauno | well that was easier than I expected. found /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd, chmod 000 & kill it | 02:24 |
| shauno | I really don't like that there's no way to dismiss them. I'd rather not get messages at all, than have them behave that daft | 02:25 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 07:23 |
| daubers | Morning | 07:41 |
| AlanBell | http://bugs.developers.facebook.net/show_bug.cgi?id=18701 wow | 08:07 |
| lubotu3` | bugs.developers.facebook.net bug 18701 in General "Application 107648075065 disappeared" [-,New] | 08:07 |
| AlanBell | facebook delete the photos of all kde users | 08:07 |
| DJones | AlanBell: I saw that mentioned on twitter last night | 08:12 |
| ali1234 | not just kde users | 08:14 |
| ali1234 | they've autobanned a large number of apps | 08:15 |
| MartijnVdS | spammy apps, I guess? | 08:16 |
| ali1234 | http://forum.developers.facebook.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355340#p355340 | 08:16 |
| DJones | http://bit.ly/mTy5fZ | 08:16 |
| ali1234 | MartijnVdS: it depends on your perspective | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | what seems to have happened is as follows: | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | users use a perfectly legit app to upload their photos | 08:17 |
| MartijnVdS | their "friends" mark those apps as spammy | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | then they post them on their wall and their friends wall | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | then the friends mark it as spam | 08:17 |
| MartijnVdS | then the app gets banned | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | so all the users of the app review it highly | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | and everyone else hates it | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | this is of course completely unfixable for facebook | 08:18 |
| ali1234 | it's a fundamental reason why i don't use the site | 08:18 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: unless they also add "More of this!" in addition to "Spammy" | 08:18 |
| MartijnVdS | there is always a way | 08:18 |
| ali1234 | no | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | that won't help | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | people will still click "spam" on everything they don't like | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | what they should actually do instead of blocking the app | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | is suggest you unfriend the person who uses it | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | but of course if they do that rapidly everyone will have no friends | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | and the site will implode | 08:19 |
| MartijnVdS | There are 2 options.. "Block" and "Mark as spam" | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | but there you go | 08:19 |
| MartijnVdS | (as in "Don't allow this app to post on my wall") | 08:20 |
| ali1234 | yes, that's what they are no wusing as feedback | 08:20 |
| ali1234 | if you block an app that is "bad user feedback" and it's why the apps have been banned | 08:20 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: then what is "Mark as spam"? | 08:21 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: (a separate option!) | 08:21 |
| ali1234 | i suspect most people just click them both | 08:21 |
| ali1234 | i know i do | 08:21 |
| MartijnVdS | spam implies block | 08:21 |
| ali1234 | well there you go then | 08:21 |
| ali1234 | when twitter started sending me suggestions in tweets the first thing i did was report the user for spamming | 08:22 |
| ali1234 | i didn't even realise it was an official twitter service | 08:22 |
| ali1234 | it just looked like some random joker sending me garbage | 08:22 |
| ali1234 | so i reported em | 08:22 |
| MartijnVdS | twitter sends suggestions? | 08:22 |
| ali1234 | yes | 08:22 |
| MartijnVdS | never seen that | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | http://support.twitter.com/articles/20075772 | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | i only saw it once | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | then i instantly reported and blocked it | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | because just blocking it isn't enough | 08:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: btw, Facebook also has positive feedback -- "Like" | 08:25 |
| ali1234 | why would i want to encourage them? | 08:25 |
| MartijnVdS | your choice ;) | 08:25 |
| ali1234 | when i heard about the facebook thing the first thing i thought of was "great. i will now go and report all the annoying apps in facebook" so i logged in... and they are all already gone :o | 08:28 |
| MartijnVdS | :) | 08:29 |
| ali1234 | so i am OK with this | 08:29 |
| ali1234 | i hope they don't come back | 08:29 |
| daubers | Was wondering why gedit wasn't installed for a moment, then realised I was using the wrong box :( | 08:44 |
| selinuxium | Morning all! o/ | 08:47 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:52 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | morning | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | yay my blog post made UWN :)( | 08:56 |
| bigcalm | uwn? | 08:56 |
| MooDoo | ubuntu weekly news | 08:56 |
| bigcalm | I see | 08:56 |
| MooDoo | how is everyone today? | 09:00 |
| dwatkins | enjoying amusing videos of people who love cats ;) how's everyone else | 09:01 |
| MooDoo | tired lol | 09:03 |
| bigcalm | Just used the sd card reader in the revo. How wonderfully useful that is | 09:03 |
| * bigcalm likes things that *just work* | 09:03 | |
| hoover_ | morning | 09:03 |
| === hoover_ is now known as hoover | ||
| bigcalm | Howdy hoover | 09:04 |
| dwatkins | bigcalm: seconded | 09:04 |
| wintellect | Mornin all | 09:07 |
| MooDoo | another quiet tuesday | 09:15 |
| selinuxium | Hey hippychick, long time, no chat... | 09:45 |
| * selinuxium is much more awake than yesterday... | 09:46 | |
| popey | morning all | 09:53 |
| diplo | Morning all | 09:53 |
| bigcalm | Hi popey | 09:54 |
| MooDoo | morning popey | 09:57 |
| * AlanBell sees people signing up to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/1032/detail/ | 09:57 | |
| selinuxium | morning o/ | 09:58 |
| * selinuxium cannot attend Geeknic... :( Doing an office move that weekend.. | 09:58 | |
| MooDoo | booo to office moves | 10:04 |
| MooDoo | not that i can make it anyway lol | 10:04 |
| * MooDoo prods czajkowski seeing as davmor2 is away this week | 10:05 | |
| MooDoo | hi all just a reminder about the team meeting tonight....8pm :) | 10:07 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, in ubuntu-meeting? | 10:08 |
| popey | #ubuntu-uk-meeting I think you mean? | 10:08 |
| AlanBell | yup | 10:09 |
| AlanBell | daubers: I picked 10AM for the library thing, think that is OK? | 10:09 |
| MooDoo | popey, thanks was just checking as it's not in the email. | 10:09 |
| gord | bah, i can't go to the ubuntu-ie thing :( team dinner at the same time | 10:10 |
| AlanBell | http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=156528094418552 | 10:12 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, shared on my facebook page :) | 10:14 |
| AlanBell | jolly good | 10:15 |
| AlanBell | I still don't really get facebook | 10:15 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, good stay well clear of it :) | 10:16 |
| daubers | AlanBell: Sounds good, should just be as the cheap trains kick in | 10:17 |
| * daubers has the easiest office move ever coming up! | 10:17 | |
| daubers | Step one, acquire sledgehammer, step too, put sledgehammer through wall, step 3, step through hole | 10:18 |
| daubers | s/too/two | 10:18 |
| daubers | stupid fingers | 10:18 |
| AlanBell | do we need a facebook page or something? | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | gord: poor planning the ubuntu-ie thing has been schculed and blogged ! | 10:18 |
| daubers | a what book page? | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | gord: go afterwards and meet the folks from tog.ie | 10:19 |
| AlanBell | I think me posting things is sub-optimal as I am a bit of a billy-no-mates | 10:19 |
| * daubers just misread the bbc news home page and thought there was a "geek" union | 10:20 | |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: sup | 10:22 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, ubuntu-uk facebook page? | 10:23 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I don't know | 10:23 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, it's easy enough to do :) | 10:23 |
| AlanBell | I know there is an ubuntu page somewhere with 400,000 fans or something | 10:23 |
| AlanBell | I created that event, and found 14 people to send it to, which feels a bit pointless | 10:24 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, https://www.facebook.com/pages/create.php | 10:24 |
| popey | AlanBell: ask jono to share via the ubuntu page | 10:24 |
| MooDoo | create it there | 10:24 |
| popey | do we need a page? | 10:25 |
| AlanBell | popey: share the facebook event I created or the loco directory page? | 10:25 |
| MooDoo | popey, probably not, just another place for news | 10:25 |
| popey | AlanBell: the event, which contains a link to the loco directory | 10:25 |
| AlanBell | ok | 10:26 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, are you sending a reminder out about the meeting? | 10:35 |
| AlanBell | yup . . . | 10:35 |
| daubers | "All are welcome" except Vogons | 10:44 |
| daubers | Feels like my office has more and more vogons every day :( stupid paper work | 10:44 |
| MooDoo | daubers, shush i'm drinking my pangalacticgargleblaster andwant to do it in peace :) | 10:45 |
| * MooDoo just hopes vogons were in hitch hikers lol | 10:46 | |
| daubers | MooDoo: They were | 10:46 |
| MooDoo | daithif, thought so, just had a brain freeze :) | 10:46 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:56 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon, morning :) | 10:56 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: morning :) | 10:57 |
| popey | I still don't get what "Digital Dogging" is that TheOpenSourcerer mentioned this morning | 10:59 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | :-D | 11:00 |
| brobostigon | maybe some activity in virtual, like second life ? | 11:00 |
| matti | ;] | 11:01 |
| popey | I don't have TheOpenSourcerer down as a Second Life kinda guy | 11:01 |
| popey | he's more of a First Life dude | 11:01 |
| brobostigon | hmm,ok. | 11:01 |
| brobostigon | maybe by some method, machines virtually dogging eachother? | 11:03 |
| AlanBell | it involves beer | 11:03 |
| brobostigon | using an arduino to brew beer? | 11:06 |
| AlanBell | you are over complicating things | 11:06 |
| ali1234 | um | 11:07 |
| daubers | popey: That phrase made me reach for the mind bleach | 11:07 |
| daubers | http://mindbleach.org/ | 11:08 |
| * brobostigon shakes fist at stupid telephone sales people. | 11:09 | |
| daubers | \o/ New phone day today | 11:09 |
| brobostigon | good luck daubers :) | 11:10 |
| geek1d | geetings fellow penguins | 11:16 |
| geek1d | greetings* | 11:16 |
| MooDoo | geek1d, greeting :) | 11:16 |
| brobostigon | AlanBell: sharing of beer meetups, over mobile. | 11:18 |
| AlanBell | it involves going to a pub and drinking most of it. Quite simple. | 11:19 |
| brobostigon | :) | 11:19 |
| * BigRedS appears to have focussed this window at the right sort of time | 11:19 | |
| brobostigon | i was overthinking it. | 11:19 |
| geek1d | MooDoo, :) | 11:20 |
| * AlanBell is getting slightly annoyed at LibreOffice windows randomly crashing and vanishing | 11:20 | |
| brobostigon | :( | 11:20 |
| geek1d | anything intresting going on in the ubuntu-uk channel! | 11:20 |
| MooDoo | geek1d, always :) we're here :) | 11:21 |
| popey | Anyone got any news we should cover on the podcast? | 11:21 |
| popey | we're pre-recording tonight for next week | 11:21 |
| popey | (no live show) | 11:21 |
| AlanBell | books and butties | 11:21 |
| MooDoo | popey, progress of oggcamp? well it's not news but would be interesting | 11:21 |
| popey | got that | 11:21 |
| popey | yup. oggcamp update too | 11:22 |
| MooDoo | popey, ubuntu-uk call to arms for the loco renewal? | 11:22 |
| MooDoo | clutchinbg at straws here :) | 11:22 |
| popey | do we have a date for re-approval meeting yet? | 11:23 |
| popey | It's not on the loco council agenda | 11:23 |
| popey | is it stil "some time before oneiric"? | 11:23 |
| AlanBell | it is some time before oneiric, I would like it to be the next loco-council meeting I don't intend to add it to the agenda until there is something worth looking at | 11:24 |
| popey | ok | 11:24 |
| * AlanBell prepares documents to present at the Home Office tomorrow | 11:24 | |
| * brobostigon noticed, we dont seem to have an autism/aspergers group. | 11:26 | |
| BigRedS | should we have one? | 11:27 |
| brobostigon | maybe, just an idea | 11:27 |
| AlanBell | freenode does, #wrongplanet | 11:27 |
| brobostigon | yes,but that is outside,not within ubuntu's community. | 11:28 |
| carl__ | #nowjs | 11:31 |
| daubers | popey: I keep meaning to drop the podcast an email about your "accessible server" thing the other episode | 11:32 |
| * popey hands carl__ a "/" and a "j", "o", "i" and finally an "s" | 11:32 | |
| popey | daubers: DO IT! | 11:32 |
| popey | do it now! | 11:32 |
| popey | s/s/n | 11:32 |
| daubers | popey: i.e. that is how I get my wages paid :) | 11:33 |
| popey | http://popey.com/minecraft/day/#/-952/64/-6777/-3/mcmapLighting | 11:34 |
| popey | we now have an area set aside for the welsh on the minecraft map | 11:35 |
| popey | zoom out and note how far away it is from the rest of the map | 11:35 |
| daubers | heh | 11:35 |
| AlanBell | it is a bit too flat and dry | 11:36 |
| dogmatic69_ | hehe | 11:36 |
| daubers | populations about right though | 11:36 |
| BigRedS | haha | 11:37 |
| dogmatic69_ | how many sheep are there in that section? | 11:37 |
| popey | hah | 11:38 |
| popey | I hear it's good for mining | 11:38 |
| popey | "Breaking news: RMS is attending in Vienna" | 11:39 |
| popey | bah, wrong channel | 11:39 |
| daubers | popey: Lots of coal? | 11:45 |
| bigcalm | Humm, I'm near Telford | 12:18 |
| andylockran | ok.. massively confused | 12:27 |
| andylockran | just went to download the 11.04 torrent | 12:27 |
| andylockran | clicked download | 12:27 |
| andylockran | transmission opened | 12:27 |
| andylockran | 10 seconds later it was downloaded | 12:28 |
| andylockran | 685 mb | 12:28 |
| MooDoo | wow | 12:29 |
| AlanBell | did you already have it? | 12:29 |
| andylockran | AlanBell: not that I know of | 12:30 |
| andylockran | and I saw the progress bar jumping up pretty fastr | 12:30 |
| JGJones | Purely on a off-chance anyone might have actually done so - have one tried using jabber-terminal from here: https://code.google.com/p/jabber-terminal/ | 12:30 |
| andylockran | unless it identified the same iso someplace else on my system | 12:30 |
| andylockran | i.e. spotlight is torrent aware | 12:30 |
| andylockran | I attempted download it through unetbootin directly a few days back.. but it stopped at 181MB | 12:31 |
| andylockran | (that was home, rather than the office connection). | 12:31 |
| MooDoo | well i'm not getting a 10 second download but 900KB/s aint bad | 12:32 |
| JGJones | A question regarding screen - With screen - you use Ctrl-A etc to pass commands to screen- but what if I'm using an app that also make use of CTRL-A too - how do I pass that to the app instead of screen (hope the question make sense?)? | 12:45 |
| hoover | you can remap the esc key JGJones | 12:48 |
| JGJones | hmm I'm actually using byobu - so it's using the function keys instead | 12:48 |
| hoover | byobu is just a spiced up screen with a cool init file ;-) | 12:49 |
| AlanBell | hmm. not raining. That means I have to go to the school sports day | 12:49 |
| hoover | you can change the control char with the -e option | 12:49 |
| brobostigon | have fun AlanBell :) | 12:50 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, went to my nephews last week....what fun ;) | 12:50 |
| * AlanBell gets set for the humiliating dads race | 12:51 | |
| JGJones | AlanBell, it's a bonus you get to run in the father's run! (and don't end up with an inflammed knee like I did)...it's not cool for the kids to see their father hobbling off in front of the whole school | 12:51 |
| popey | AlanBell: in the rain? | 12:51 |
| popey | raining here | 12:51 |
| AlanBell | no rain here | 12:51 |
| AlanBell | they don't actually let the dads run, it is generally some kind of hopping with a beanbag between your knees thing | 12:51 |
| AlanBell | I would actually be up for a proper 100M race | 12:52 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell, my son ran, well he ran up the lanes with the big kids, sneaked onto the track lol 2.5 years old lol bless | 12:52 |
| JGJones | AlanBell, ah...beanbag between knees :D My kid's school's a proper run, but think it's more like 70m | 12:54 |
| JGJones | hoover, ta - have remapped the esc key, that fixed it. | 12:55 |
| Laney | JGJones: C-a a | 12:58 |
| JGJones | Laney, so if using say...minicom - this would mean in screen I would need to go Ctrl-A a z to do Ctrl-A Z for minicom? | 12:59 |
| Laney | sounds right | 13:00 |
| JGJones | ah...that works too | 13:01 |
| JGJones | ta Laney although mapping esc key make it go quicker | 13:01 |
| JGJones | (1 less button to press) | 13:01 |
| === midoubleko_ is now known as midoubleko | ||
| JGJones | Would any hardware modem "just works" with Ubuntu? (not a winmodem) | 13:04 |
| JGJones | even if via USB if no serial port available? | 13:04 |
| ali1234 | JGJones: should do, yeah | 13:05 |
| ali1234 | using minicom inside screen is going to get confusing | 13:05 |
| ali1234 | jabber-terminal should make screen unnecessary anyway | 13:07 |
| AlanBell | great, cycled to the school, now pouring down | 13:07 |
| JGJones | ali1234, I've got that installed but doesn't seem to work for me - it logs on to the jabber...but...after that...no idea and it ends in an error anyway. | 13:08 |
| MattJ | Jabber \o/ | 13:08 |
| JGJones | and finally - minicom does use CTRL-A etc for menus - how would you pass that in jabber? :) | 13:09 |
| ali1234 | well you don't *have* to use minicom | 13:09 |
| ali1234 | you might be better of using something simpler like cu | 13:09 |
| JGJones | true...but first...would need to get jabber-terminal working anyway. | 13:09 |
| JGJones | you got it working? | 13:09 |
| ali1234 | i will dig out the old modem and try it | 13:09 |
| dwatkins | jabber-terminal? whatever next...? ;) | 13:10 |
| MattJ | smtp-terminal! | 13:10 |
| ali1234 | i remember putting those modem in a box the other day...... | 13:10 |
| dwatkins | serial graphics | 13:10 |
| directhex | it's halfway through 2011, and minecraft still ships a broken lwjgl? | 13:19 |
| MartijnVdS | lwjgl? | 13:20 |
| dutchie | LightWeight Java Game Library | 13:20 |
| BigRedS | lightweight? | 13:21 |
| BigRedS | Java? | 13:21 |
| BigRedS | I suppose it's all relative... | 13:22 |
| popey | game? | 13:22 |
| popey | java? | 13:22 |
| popey | etc | 13:22 |
| DanielRM | I can't think of a pithy comment to continue the chain. | 13:22 |
| AlanBell | Library? | 13:24 |
| * AlanBell is soaking | 13:24 | |
| ali1234 | what exactly is broken about it? | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | does anyone else get the thing where keys get stuck? is that what's broken about it? | 13:25 |
| directhex | ali1234, everyone on linux gets that, yes | 13:26 |
| directhex | ali1234, and yes, that's one of the two major flaws in the shipped version of lwjgl | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | JGJones: did you compile jabber-terminal from source? | 13:27 |
| popey | 12:51:19 < popey> AlanBell: in the rain? | 13:28 |
| popey | was my hint that it was likely to rain :D | 13:28 |
| AlanBell | yes, I know | 13:28 |
| popey | Good good. | 13:28 |
| AlanBell | but I would be even more of a failure if I hadn't turned up | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | you've got to love these none helpful error messages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/634253/ | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | it's dying because no ~/.jabber-terminal.com | 13:30 |
| === DanielRM^2 is now known as DanielRM | ||
| ali1234 | but i had to strace it to find that out | 13:30 |
| ali1234 | ok so there doesn't appear to be anywhere to enter the server.. | 13:40 |
| ali1234 | MattJ: got a minute to answer dumb questions about jabber? | 13:46 |
| MattJ | Jabber away | 13:46 |
| ali1234 | http://stderr.org/doc/libgloox-doc/html/classgloox_1_1Client.html | 13:46 |
| ali1234 | ever used libgloox? | 13:46 |
| MattJ | Yes | 13:46 |
| ali1234 | so, Client has three constructors | 13:47 |
| ali1234 | the code i'm using uses the second one, which uses a JID, and doesn't take a server ID | 13:47 |
| ali1234 | so how does it know what server to connect to? | 13:47 |
| ali1234 | does it just use the part of your jabber ID after the @? | 13:47 |
| MattJ | Yes | 13:47 |
| ali1234 | cs that won't work for gmail | 13:47 |
| MattJ | Yes it will, it uses SRV records to find which host to connect to | 13:48 |
| ali1234 | hmm. well, it doesn't work in practice | 13:48 |
| MattJ | which is the correct way to do it | 13:48 |
| ali1234 | so the problem must be somewhere else | 13:48 |
| ali1234 | how can i get some debugging out of this thing? | 13:48 |
| MattJ | The only time I've seen it fail is with broken home routers, which don't support SRV records | 13:48 |
| MattJ | Thankfully they're not very common, but they're /too/ common | 13:48 |
| ali1234 | oh Azelphur was talking about SRV records the other day... | 13:49 |
| ali1234 | so how do i check that? | 13:49 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: dig -t SRV some_hostname | 13:49 |
| ali1234 | um... and then how do i know if it worked? | 13:49 |
| ali1234 | i did dig -t SRV gmail.com (the part of my ID after the @) but i don't see "talk.google.com" anywhere in that output | 13:50 |
| MattJ | ali1234: Try: dig +short +ttlid srv _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com. | 13:50 |
| czajkowski | hello thunder! | 13:50 |
| ali1234 | ok *that* worked | 13:50 |
| ali1234 | i dont use my router's dns anyway | 13:50 |
| MattJ | Right, that's what gloox should do when you give a gmail.com JID | 13:51 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 13:52 |
| ali1234 | ok, so it just starts up... and then nothing happens. i don't see the user come online | 13:52 |
| MattJ | ali1234: sent presence? | 13:52 |
| ali1234 | dunno, i didn't write the code | 13:52 |
| ali1234 | i'm just trying to make it work :) | 13:52 |
| MattJ | which code is it? | 13:52 |
| ali1234 | jabber-terminal | 13:52 |
| hoover | cheers all | 13:53 |
| ali1234 | it appears to hang at a DNS query | 13:53 |
| ali1234 | oh no | 13:54 |
| ali1234 | port 5222 - connect just hangs | 13:54 |
| MattJ | Which host is it connecting to? | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | 74.125.230.150 | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | whch has no reverse dns | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | and it timed out | 13:55 |
| MattJ | Looks like gmail.com | 13:56 |
| ali1234 | it's none of the servers returned by the SRV | 13:58 |
| ali1234 | yeha, it's gmail.com | 13:58 |
| ali1234 | soooo..... what does this mean? | 13:58 |
| MattJ | Hmm, what version of gloox do you have? | 13:59 |
| ali1234 | the one that's in natty | 13:59 |
| MattJ | jabber-terminal doesn't want to build with mine :/ | 14:00 |
| MattJ | Hmm, ok | 14:00 |
| ali1234 | !info libgloox8 | 14:00 |
| lubotu3` | libgloox8 (source: gloox): C++ jabber/xmpp library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1ubuntu2 (natty), package size 437 kB, installed size 1184 kB | 14:00 |
| ali1234 | can i sidestep this for now by just manually specifying the server using the other Client constructor? | 14:01 |
| MattJ | Yeah, you can try | 14:02 |
| MattJ | libgloox8 won't work here, and I don't feel like compiling gloox from source right now | 14:03 |
| MattJ | Curious why it won't work, but my gloox hacking days are long past :) | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | ok so the version of gloox in natty doesn't have the constructors that take separate args | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | ok, gotta set everything manually | 14:09 |
| czajkowski | MooDoo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDl7S22fihk | 14:09 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski, ah lol don't ii feel silly :) | 14:11 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski, i never got to see davmor2 so i'm guessing i will end up meeting you first ;) lol | 14:21 |
| ali1234 | success | 14:22 |
| andylockran | guys, regexp (never been that good with it) | 14:31 |
| andylockran | I want to match a line that ends with $ or & | 14:32 |
| andylockran | any reference someone could point me toward | 14:32 |
| Azelphur | (\$|&)$ | 14:32 |
| jpds | andylockran: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0596520689/ | 14:33 |
| * MartijnVdS overcooks some regular expressions | 14:34 | |
| shauno | the sky's on fire. it's the endtimes! | 14:35 |
| MooDoo | shauno, not again :) | 14:37 |
| * popey pokes hippychick with a stick | 14:39 | |
| danfish | afternoon | 14:43 |
| MooDoo | howdy danfish | 14:43 |
| danfish | shauno: reminds me of the saying we had where I grew up "Red Sky in morning, sailor's warning, red sky at night, the kids have set the mill on fire" | 14:45 |
| danfish | lo MooDoo | 14:45 |
| hippychick | yikes | 14:45 |
| brobostigon | afternoonings danfish | 14:47 |
| danfish | o/ | 14:47 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 14:47 |
| * MooDoo is a gibbering wreck under the desk.....#scaredofthunderandlightning | 14:48 | |
| daubers | \o/ New Phone! | 14:49 |
| brobostigon | daubers: which ? | 14:49 |
| danfish | MooDoo: it's only angry sky magic - a small goat sacrifice should appease the relevant gods ;) | 14:49 |
| selinuxium | daubers, which one? | 14:49 |
| daubers | Galaxy S II | 14:49 |
| brobostigon | cool. | 14:49 |
| danfish | ooohh - shiny :) | 14:50 |
| danfish | have you rooted it yet? | 14:50 |
| selinuxium | daubers, and...? | 14:50 |
| daubers | 'tis very swanky | 14:50 |
| * selinuxium is waiting for delivery of my S II | 14:50 | |
| daubers | \o/ Need to start mucking around with the SDK now | 14:51 |
| directhex | android :( | 14:57 |
| MooDoo | danfish, i rooted my desire last week :) | 14:57 |
| daubers | \o/ Need to start mucking around with the SDK nowb3C38EbE | 14:58 |
| daubers | Urgh | 14:58 |
| daubers | Stupid computer | 14:58 |
| danfish | moo | 15:04 |
| danfish | oops | 15:04 |
| MooDoo | moo indeed | 15:04 |
| === issyl0 is now known as Guest73699 | ||
| danfish | MooDoo: have you changed the ROM? | 15:04 |
| MooDoo | danfish, followed the instructions on the cyanogen site..... | 15:05 |
| === Guest73699 is now known as issyl0 | ||
| TheOpenSourcerer | Oooh - A new and possibly interesting IM client from Mozilla: http://trunk.planet.mozillamessaging.com/ Not tried it yet though... | 15:05 |
| directhex | still waiting for pre3. should have been announced by now though i think :/ | 15:06 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | 1.0 | 15:06 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I like the idea of Twitter and IRC in the same app. Might cause all sorts of weird cross-postings ;-) | 15:07 |
| directhex | instantbird was terrible last i looked. xul is an awful platform for app development | 15:07 |
| directhex | TheOpenSourcerer, smuxi is an irc client which also support twitterings. you should use that. | 15:07 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/schizobird | 15:08 |
| popey | anyone tried that? | 15:08 |
| popey | i note twitter.com/conscioususer uses it | 15:08 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Love the name popey - I am rather happy and pleased with Hotot for the time being. | 15:09 |
| selinuxium | I also love the name! | 15:09 |
| selinuxium | MooDoo, you got an SII too? | 15:10 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | This is "a good thing" http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2082169/governments-technology-adviser-source-enthusiast | 15:10 |
| MooDoo | seeker, no just the desire | 15:10 |
| MooDoo | selinuxium, oops, no just got the desire | 15:10 |
| selinuxium | MooDoo, Okay... Is there a ROM for the SII already? /me goes googling.. | 15:11 |
| MooDoo | selinuxium, can only find one for the S not the SII | 15:12 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Blimey: "There are now over 500,000 Android devices activated every day, and it's growing at 4.4% w/w" | 15:13 |
| directhex | i don't want another android phone :/ | 15:13 |
| MattJ | directhex: what would you get instead? | 15:13 |
| directhex | MattJ, i'm eagerly awaiting the pre 3 | 15:14 |
| selinuxium | TheOpenSourcerer, No wonder Apple are trying every avenue of litigation... | 15:17 |
| Xei | тут на каком языке переписываются ??? | 15:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Oooh Russian. | 15:18 |
| Xei | rus ???? | 15:18 |
| Xei | or eng ???? | 15:18 |
| selinuxium | Xei, Eng | 15:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | This is Ubuntu UK (en_GB) | 15:19 |
| BigRedS | eng | 15:19 |
| jpds | !ru | Xei | 15:19 |
| lubotu3` | Xei: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke | 15:19 |
| Xei | lubotu3`: спасибочки за совет | 15:20 |
| selinuxium | jpds, You lurking... :) | 15:20 |
| jpds | это было легко. | 15:20 |
| KrisWillis | Hi guys, I've just swapped out 6GB of RAM for 12GB, and I can no longer get back into my OS, it just appears to freeze after the splash screen - I have a Windows 7 partition on the disk too that reboots after the splash screen - Any ideas? | 15:21 |
| jpds | selinuxium: As always. | 15:21 |
| KrisWillis | I have just successfully booted into a live CD ok, though | 15:21 |
| KrisWillis | and system monitor can see my new 12GB | 15:21 |
| KrisWillis | I ran memtest for 15 mins while downloading / burning the live CD, and that didn't find anything in admitidly a small amount of time | 15:24 |
| MattJ | 12GB?! | 15:25 |
| jpds | KrisWillis: Bad memory? | 15:25 |
| jpds | Oh wait, reread the last few lines. ;) | 15:26 |
| KrisWillis | Yeah, I have three monitors and 4 workspaces full of crap open most of the time, MattJ - my 6 was always getting full | 15:26 |
| MattJ | . | 15:26 |
| AlanBell | we have a server running cheerfully on 24GB | 15:26 |
| popey | i have a box with 4GB RAM that takes 8 hours to find an error in memtest | 15:27 |
| MattJ | AlanBell: server, sure | 15:27 |
| selinuxium | -:) | 15:28 |
| KrisWillis | Hmmm, after about an hour of rebooting, booting into live CDs, failing to boot into Win 7 - My Ubuntu partition has just managed to boot | 15:28 |
| KrisWillis | I wonder if it was a fuke... Rebooting... | 15:28 |
| ujjain | What do lollipops have to do with signs? | 15:28 |
| hamitron | they look similar? | 15:29 |
| ujjain | "At first I didn't beleive my dad stole from his work as a lollipop man, but all the signs were there". | 15:29 |
| KrisWillis | What *dont* they have to do with signs?! | 15:29 |
| ujjain | alollipop is something you lick? | 15:29 |
| daubers | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/09/article-1093185-02BEC595000005DC-504_468x383.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1093185/Council-Scrooges-ban-lollipop-mans-tinsel.html&h=383&w=468&sz=35&tbnid=1JVjBnzzcG26DM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=110&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlollipop%2Bman%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=lollipop+man&usg=__-6D6AUR8PDw5ul5iM6XdBxWpb5c=&sa=X&ei=TuUJToLyLo2xhAen4rT | 15:29 |
| daubers | 0Dw&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAQ&dur=240 <- lollipop man | 15:29 |
| jpds | ujjain: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lollipop_man | 15:30 |
| ujjain | ohhh, that's a lollipop man, I get it :D | 15:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | daubers: Every heard of bt.ly ;-) | 15:30 |
| KrisWillis | Just rebooted fine back into 10.10 - Maybe it was just having some teething issues with the new RAM :S | 15:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | KrisWillis: Your Win7 partition has been analysing and deciding the best way to fill up the 12GB with useless data. | 15:31 |
| jpds | TheOpenSourcerer: You support Libya? | 15:31 |
| ujjain | lol, I don't get any of these jokes | 15:31 |
| KrisWillis | TheOpenSourcerer: You're probably right - Just trying to boot back into that one now - Not too bothered about it though, I only rarely boot into Win7 to play Starcraft II | 15:32 |
| hamitron | Windows_Installation: Con...fused, can't compute route to slowdown | 15:32 |
| xapel | If I install Ubuntu over windows, will it keep any files? If so, which ones? | 15:32 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 15:32 |
| AlanBell | xapel: no, they will all be removed, unless you ask it to install alongside | 15:33 |
| hamitron | KrisWillis: doesn't starcraft 2 work on wine? | 15:33 |
| KrisWillis | hamitron: No idea - my 3 monitors need Xinerama to work properly, so I get no 3D support anyway... | 15:34 |
| directhex | xapel, you can either *replace* windows, which means no files at all are kept, or install *alongside* windows, at which point windows is kept in its entireity and you can select to boot it from a menu at boot time | 15:34 |
| hamitron | KrisWillis: ok :/ | 15:34 |
| xapel | directhex, AlanBell: Hi guys, I am quite familiar with dual boot. I seem to remember that the Ubuntu installer does keep files from My Documents if you install over Windows. Maybe it is for Wubi only, or perhaps it is only experimental. | 15:37 |
| asaaki | hello | 15:37 |
| AlanBell | it can keep /home if you install it over linux but if installing over windows it has to make a whole new filesystem | 15:38 |
| MooDoo | xapel, wubi would install along side windows but not need a seperate partition | 15:38 |
| asaaki | has anyone had any permission issues even though they're working as "root"? | 15:38 |
| asaaki | i just installed ubuntu 11.04 | 15:38 |
| xapel | AlanBell, ok thanks. | 15:39 |
| popey | asaaki: can you be more specific? | 15:40 |
| asaaki | i'm trying to install a few tools | 15:40 |
| asaaki | but when i say "sudo make" | 15:40 |
| asaaki | or ./configure | 15:40 |
| asaaki | i get "Permission denied" | 15:40 |
| asaaki | i used wubi for ubuntu 11.04 on 64-bit windows machine | 15:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | asaaki: You shouldn't build code as root. | 15:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | "sudo make install" yes. | 15:41 |
| asaaki | oh.. | 15:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | sudo make or sudo ./configure no. | 15:41 |
| asaaki | k i'll try as another user... | 15:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | But that isn't the issue you are suffering from. | 15:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Just some advice. | 15:42 |
| popey | you're probably getting permission denied because you did "sudo tar zxvf foo.tgz" | 15:42 |
| popey | which unpacked it and made it all owned by root | 15:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | The normal route to build something from source is ./configure, make, make install | 15:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yes, popey is right. | 15:43 |
| AlanBell | but first, is there a packaged version you can use? | 15:43 |
| asaaki | yes i know that | 15:43 |
| asaaki | 's the normal way to do it | 15:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | the only command you should use as root is make install. | 15:43 |
| popey | asaaki: what are you building? | 15:43 |
| asaaki | actually the tools i got give instructions | 15:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | which will put the binaries in (hopefully) sane places. | 15:43 |
| asaaki | i'm building SRILM (for speech recognition) | 15:44 |
| asaaki | here are the build instructions: | 15:44 |
| popey | dont paste them here | 15:44 |
| popey | if you have a link, sure, do that | 15:44 |
| popey | but not the whole text | 15:44 |
| popey | or stick them in http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | 15:45 |
| asaaki | k not pasting the whole text, but the sequence is this: 1. unpack, 2. set a varialbe in Makefile.PL, 3. make World | 15:45 |
| asaaki | GNU make is required... when i use the command "make", is that what I'm using? | 15:46 |
| popey | are you doing this on Ubuntu? | 15:46 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Have you installed the package build-essential ? | 15:46 |
| asaaki | i just searched for build-essential in Ubuntu Software Center, and yes it's installed | 15:47 |
| asaaki | here's a link to what I'm trying to build: http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/download.html | 15:48 |
| AlanBell | asaaki: are you doing research into srilm? | 15:48 |
| asaaki | but that's just one of the tools, i have permission denied problems in the other tools as well, eg. ./configure gives "Permission denied" | 15:48 |
| asaaki | AlanBell, i'm researching using the tool, yes | 15:48 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://www.speech.sri.com/pipermail/srilm-user/2010q2/000870.html | 15:49 |
| AlanBell | ok, there are some recognition libraries in the repos already | 15:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Do you have the C shell installed? csh/tcsh? | 15:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | See the next thread http://www.speech.sri.com/pipermail/srilm-user/2010q2/000871.html | 15:50 |
| asaaki | thanks TheOpenSourcerer, but yes I've seen that link, and I do have csh/tcsh installed, when i type "which csh" i get a path | 15:50 |
| asaaki | and i installed them myself too | 15:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | where are you trying to run ./configure? | 15:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Which directory? And what is that directory's perms/owner | 15:51 |
| asaaki | i'm trying to run it for this tool: http://chasen.org/~taku/software/yamcha/ | 15:52 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | "Where" not what. i.e. /home/asaaki/srilm or whatever | 15:53 |
| asaaki | all the tools are in /home/nlp/ | 15:53 |
| asaaki | so i try /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33$ ./configure | 15:54 |
| AlanBell | are you logged in as "nlp"? | 15:54 |
| asaaki | i'm logged in as asaaki | 15:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | what does ls -l /home/nlp say? | 15:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | !pastebinit | 15:54 |
| lubotu3` | pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com | 15:54 |
| asaaki | i did ls -l /home/nlp, and i think i have all permissions, because for each folder i get : drwx------ 11 | 15:55 |
| asaaki | i believe that's all the rights? | 15:55 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | No. | 15:55 |
| asaaki | but for the yamcha folder, i get : drwxr-xr-x 13 asaaki | 15:56 |
| asaaki | i did chmod 777 on yamcha | 15:56 |
| BigRedS | well, as long as you're the user who owns that directory you've full rights, but nobody else has any | 15:56 |
| asaaki | that's fine, i'm the only user on this machine | 15:56 |
| asaaki | ok i just did sudo chmod 777 on every single folder | 15:57 |
| AlanBell | ick | 15:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Why? | 15:58 |
| * selinuxium cringes.. | 15:58 | |
| asaaki | um... to get all the possible rights so i can just build something? | 15:58 |
| asaaki | i mean everything in /home/nlp, but still no luck | 15:58 |
| AlanBell | I would do sudo chown -R asaaki: /home/nlp | 15:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | paste the output of ls -l when you are in /home/nlp/yamcha | 15:59 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It might be that your files are not read/write or owned or executable... | 15:59 |
| asaaki | okay i just did what AlanBell said, chown | 15:59 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Use the http://paste.ubuntu.com | 16:00 |
| asaaki | the output of ls -l on yamcha is kind of long | 16:00 |
| asaaki | okay! i just pasted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/634345/ | 16:01 |
| MooDoo | asaaki, pipe it to pastebinit | 16:01 |
| MooDoo | ahi'm too slow :) | 16:01 |
| asaaki | :) | 16:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | None of the files that need to be are executable. | 16:01 |
| JGJones | ali1234, No I didn't complie jabber-terminal from source myself - is that what you're doing? | 16:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | -rw------- 1 asaaki asaaki 733171 2005-09-03 03:33 configure | 16:01 |
| asaaki | oh! | 16:02 |
| AlanBell | that has totally not been made 777 | 16:02 |
| asaaki | what does it take to give them permissions? | 16:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I would unpack the tarball again. | 16:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | only some files need to be executable. | 16:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | not all. | 16:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Your files are chmod 600 which is unusual | 16:03 |
| popey | the tarbal should unpack fine with the right perms | 16:03 |
| popey | if done in the right place with no messing with chmod/chown | 16:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | (16:02:14) TheOpenSourcerer: I would unpack the tarball again. | 16:03 |
| popey | indeed | 16:03 |
| asaaki | okay :) trying | 16:04 |
| popey | also, not sudo | 16:04 |
| asaaki | ok i just found the tarball again... kind of not that used to ubuntu.. | 16:08 |
| asaaki | aha! | 16:08 |
| asaaki | yamcha's configuring now! :) | 16:08 |
| asaaki | merci | 16:09 |
| asaaki | i suppose i should do the same for the rest | 16:09 |
| ujjain | I worked in produce, which wasn't exactly rocket salad. < What does this mean? | 16:11 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 16:11 |
| MartijnVdS | ujjain: it's a pun | 16:11 |
| jpds | ujjain: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?pid=6132#p6132 | 16:11 |
| MartijnVdS | ujjain: (rocket science and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_(vegetable) | 16:12 |
| MartijnVdS | jpds: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chaos :) | 16:13 |
| MartijnVdS | jpds: (http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j17/caos.php -- written by a Dutchman :P) | 16:13 |
| ujjain | uh, is produce dirty? | 16:14 |
| * jpds notes that he's not flying. | 16:14 | |
| jpds | ujjain: No. | 16:14 |
| ujjain | I am confused, ^^ rocket science != rocket vegetable, on a farm, | 16:14 |
| popey | oh dear | 16:14 |
| popey | ok, "It's not rocket science" is a quip | 16:14 |
| MartijnVdS | ujjain: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/produce#Noun --> meaning 3 | 16:14 |
| directhex | ujjain, something very complicated is described as "rocket science" | 16:14 |
| popey | one used to say "It's not hard!" | 16:14 |
| popey | "rocket salad" is something you eat, so could be considered "produce" | 16:15 |
| directhex | ujjain, something easy is "not rocket science" | 16:15 |
| popey | where "produce" is the aisle in the supermarket where you find salad | 16:15 |
| popey | ujjain: see also "it's not brain surgery" | 16:15 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I ? | 16:15 |
| ujjain | right, I get it's not rocket science, brain surgury, htose require a big learning process | 16:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | And they wonder why it's so hard to get a computer to do proper speech... | 16:16 |
| popey | ujjain: it's humour | 16:16 |
| bigcalm | popey: was | 16:16 |
| popey | and now that we are explaining it, it is becoming less and less funny | 16:16 |
| popey | well, yes | 16:16 |
| bigcalm | :) | 16:16 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: until we started butchering it? :) | 16:16 |
| bigcalm | Language is a bugger | 16:16 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: in the Ender's Game sense? :P | 16:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | But watching the explanation is rather funny from where I'm sitting :-D | 16:17 |
| ujjain | thanks :) | 16:17 |
| jussi | you know, chicken ramen + mango chutney isnt that bad... | 16:17 |
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| bigcalm | jussi: Sharwoods? | 16:17 |
| ujjain | I worked in a sweat shop, it was so-so. < how about this one? | 16:17 |
| jussi | err, maybe that was intended for elsewhere... but meh, works here as well | 16:18 |
| popey | ramen == supernoodels | 16:18 |
| ujjain | I don't get it either. | 16:18 |
| popey | ujjain: so sounds like sew | 16:18 |
| jussi | bigcalm: no | 16:18 |
| popey | sewing being something you do in a sweatshop | 16:18 |
| bigcalm | jussi: ah well :) | 16:18 |
| ujjain | ahh, I get it | 16:18 |
| ujjain | thanks | 16:18 |
| MooDoo | popey, captain picard to his seemstress......make it sew :) | 16:18 |
| jussi | bigcalm: Im not UK based ;) | 16:18 |
| bigcalm | jussi: fair enough | 16:19 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: and to his girlfriend: Engage! | 16:19 |
| popey | http://e.asset.soup.io/asset/2083/7342_6891_400.jpeg | 16:19 |
| popey | made me smile | 16:19 |
| ujjain | link not working for me. | 16:20 |
| ujjain | "works now, refresh | 16:20 |
| jpds | popey: Believers going to believe. | 16:20 |
| popey | haha | 16:20 |
| popey | i want that haters gonna hate animation with that please | 16:21 |
| popey | make it so jpds | 16:21 |
| popey | chop chop | 16:21 |
| ujjain | Ryo++ | 16:21 |
| MooDoo | lol | 16:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | popey: Did you see this one? http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/dear_emma_b.php | 16:23 |
| popey | ooo a picture of Mr Gumby! | 16:23 |
| ujjain | I have a last one I don't get. I used to be a pantel horse, but I quit while I was ahead" | 16:24 |
| ujjain | Some play on panty hose maybe? :P | 16:24 |
| BigRedS | no, panto horse | 16:24 |
| BigRedS | as in a pantomime, they're made up of two people, one is the head end, the other the back end | 16:24 |
| BigRedS | it's a pun on 'ahead' versus 'a head' | 16:24 |
| ujjain | ahhhh hehe t | 16:25 |
| ujjain | thanks :p | 16:25 |
| BigRedS | haha, no probs | 16:27 |
| popey | nice | 16:28 |
| jpds | popey: I'm sorry, I don't have PhotoShop. | 16:29 |
| popey | \o/ podcast recording night | 16:42 |
| popey | no live show | 16:42 |
| MooDoo | you ought to stream it via bambuser one night :) | 16:44 |
| AlanBell | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2011/06/uk-shakes-dust-off-open-source.html stuff I am doing tomorrow has been leaked to the press O_o | 16:48 |
| MartijnVdS | must be important then, if it's being leaked :) | 16:48 |
| MooDoo | leaked = deliberatly passed on right? | 16:49 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but not by me | 16:51 |
| AlanBell | don't expect articles about "the wet-ink proposal" when I just printed it out | 16:52 |
| Azelphur | when you put a hard drive into a different computer, the network interface names get borked (like eth0 becomes eth1) any idea how to fix it? | 16:54 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: in /etc/udev/rules.d/ there's "70-persistent-net.rules" | 16:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: remove that and it'll reset itself | 16:56 |
| Azelphur | ty, that's what I was looking for :) | 16:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: it gets written by a persistent-net.rules file in /etc/udev/ | 16:56 |
| asaaki | hi guys, i unpacked the tarballs again and everything's working fine and dandy, at least as far as permissions are concerned | 17:00 |
| asaaki | BUT, during some builds I'm getting this: cc1plus: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set | 17:00 |
| asaaki | i downloaded the i386 iso | 17:00 |
| asaaki | wouldn't that be the right one? i'm on a 64-bit windows machine and got ubuntu from wubi | 17:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Indeed, that wouldn't be the right iso | 17:03 |
| asaaki | no? oh dear... which one then | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | For 64-bit support you need the 64-bit version of Ubuntu | 17:04 |
| asaaki | is that i686? | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | "amd64" it's called (but it works on intel 64-bit CPUs as well) | 17:04 |
| asaaki | i did "uname -a", and got this: | 17:04 |
| asaaki | Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 17:05 |
| MartijnVdS | hm, that's the right one | 17:05 |
| MartijnVdS | x86_64 | 17:05 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: what does "lsb_release -a" say? | 17:05 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: (please use a pastebin) | 17:05 |
| asaaki | doesn't say a lot: http://pastebin.com/BZQKYBkX | 17:08 |
| MartijnVdS | hm. | 17:08 |
| MartijnVdS | mine says something about architecture | 17:08 |
| MartijnVdS | let me think.. | 17:08 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: file /bin/ls | 17:09 |
| asaaki | /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped | 17:09 |
| MartijnVdS | so you're already running the 64-bit version of Ubuntu | 17:10 |
| MartijnVdS | what are you trying to do, that gives that error? | 17:10 |
| asaaki | i actually had to edit a makefile according to my platform... hold on let me paste that | 17:11 |
| MartijnVdS | no earlier | 17:11 |
| MartijnVdS | what are you trying to do :) | 17:11 |
| MartijnVdS | ("bigger picture") | 17:11 |
| MartijnVdS | I didn't see your earlier questions/answers | 17:12 |
| asaaki | oh... i've been trying to build some tools on ubuntu | 17:12 |
| asaaki | earlier there were problems with permissions | 17:12 |
| asaaki | but you guys helped out so that's out of the way | 17:12 |
| asaaki | but now in building, i have to modify a makefile for one of the tools according to my machine | 17:13 |
| bigcalm_ | Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr | 17:13 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: what kind of tools? | 17:14 |
| asaaki | speech recognition and language model research stuff | 17:14 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_: calm! :) | 17:14 |
| asaaki | the tool i'm trying to build right now is: http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/download.html | 17:14 |
| asaaki | i just pasted the file that i edited (to be used in building) over here: http://pastebin.com/Djk8HXSk | 17:15 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: so you made a common/Makefile.machine.i686 or something? | 17:15 |
| asaaki | but maybe i've got some variables wrong? | 17:15 |
| asaaki | yeah that's the one - i just pasted Makefile.machine.i386-ubuntu | 17:16 |
| Multivitamin_ | guys, what was the word you put in after slash to change your nickname? | 17:16 |
| MartijnVdS | Multivitamin_: /nick | 17:16 |
| Multivitamin_ | thanks: ) | 17:16 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: why must they make it so hard :) | 17:16 |
| asaaki | MartijVdS: wish i knew | 17:17 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: I think you need the "i686-linux" one, and use the "make MACHINE_TYPE=i686-m64 World" command line | 17:17 |
| asaaki | MartijnVdS: k thanks! i'll try | 17:17 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: just guessing from the INSTALL file here :) | 17:17 |
| asaaki | MartijnVdS: why yes! i thought i shouldn't be using that since what i downloaded was i386 | 17:20 |
| asaaki | but this is building! :D | 17:20 |
| asaaki | MartijnVdS: it stops at this though: /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: fatal error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory | 17:21 |
| asaaki | "which gnu" gives nothing, but gnu doesn't seem to be anything that i can sudo get-apt install either | 17:22 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: it might be compiling for 32 bits, or you don't have headers installed | 17:24 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: install "apt-file", run "apt-file update", then "apt-file search gnu/stubs-32.h" | 17:24 |
| MartijnVdS | that should show you which package it's in | 17:24 |
| MartijnVdS | (if any) | 17:24 |
| asaaki | ok! | 17:25 |
| MartijnVdS | could happen more than once, headers for different libraries are in different packages | 17:25 |
| asaaki | oh | 17:25 |
| MartijnVdS | but eventually you should be able to finish the compile | 17:25 |
| asaaki | :) | 17:25 |
| asaaki | so you're saying i might have to do apt-file with every missing .h ? | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | yes | 17:27 |
| asaaki | ah ok | 17:27 |
| MartijnVdS | and depending on how many dependencies they have, that could take a while | 17:27 |
| asaaki | yep, it's half past midnight here :) | 17:27 |
| MartijnVdS | ooh, so you have the entire night to get it right ;) | 17:27 |
| asaaki | indeed i do :) | 17:28 |
| * MartijnVdS is waiting for a thunderstorm to hit | 17:30 | |
| bigcalm[tablet] | Vm are still being pants. So now have tablet tethered to phone for a bit of fun | 17:50 |
| * bigcalm[tablet] smells coffee | 17:50 | |
| BigRedS | vm being pants is a constant, I'd not expect it to change any time soon | 17:52 |
| bigcalm[tablet] | Well, my connection justcame back. Doubt it will stay though | 17:53 |
| MartijnVdS | anyone interested in 2x 256MB PC2100 sticks of RAM? | 17:54 |
| bigcalm[tablet] | Smooth off the edges and make yourself some keyfobs | 17:56 |
| * shauno looks @ hamitron | 17:56 | |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm[tablet]: these are HUGE | 17:57 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm[tablet]: if you've played Sam & Max (the old 90s video game one), you'll know the size :) | 17:57 |
| asaaki | okay apt-file update does take a while. after apparently receiving the full 18.3 M, it doesn't stop, it just keeps at it, so i Ctrl+C to stop it and ran apt-file search, but nothing happens | 18:02 |
| bigcalm[tablet] | Cant say that I have sadly | 18:02 |
| bigcalm[tablet] | asaaki: there will be a lock file you will have to remove as you intrupted apt | 18:03 |
| asaaki | oh...how can i unlock it? also, however long does the apt work? i guess it also depends on my connection, which is slow | 18:04 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm[tablet]: no that'll be fine | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: youll have to re-run apt-file update | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: it takes a while to finish | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | but it will, eventually, finish | 18:05 |
| asaaki | :) | 18:05 |
| asaaki | what does it do though, once it's run | 18:05 |
| bigcalm[tablet] | Oh bugger, it has gone 6pm. Late for dog walking | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: it downloads a list of all files in all packages | 18:06 |
| vikfreeze | hy | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: and puts them in an internal database for easy searching | 18:06 |
| asaaki | how can i know when it's finished, because it seems to finish 18.3 M, and then start on another cycle | 18:06 |
| vikfreeze | can anyone give me some help with samba shares? | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: it downloads one "Contents" file for each part of /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: some larger, some smaller | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | asaaki: could be 10-20 files | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | on a "normal" install | 18:07 |
| asaaki | oh okay i get it | 18:07 |
| vikfreeze | does anyone here have any experience with samba on lucid? | 18:12 |
| MartijnVdS | vikfreeze: client or server? | 18:14 |
| vikfreeze | in my case both | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | it's not very different from samba on other versions | 18:15 |
| MartijnVdS | do you have a specific problem? | 18:15 |
| vikfreeze | i have a client and a host but no matthere what config the mount has no write permissions | 18:15 |
| vikfreeze | i can mount the share but any write operation is denied even sudo operations | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | vikfreeze: and does the user you're using have write access on the server side? | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | in the directory you're trying to write to? | 18:16 |
| vikfreeze | permission on the system are correct | 18:16 |
| vikfreeze | i even made everything 777 still nothing | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | don't make everything 777 | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | that's not useful | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | I have no idea, you might get a quicker answer if you ask on a samba-specific channel | 18:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | vikfreeze: does the user exist in smbpasswd? Or are you trying to browse/mount as a guest? | 18:19 |
| vikfreeze | mabe im doing something wrong here, i have the server witch mounts the local resource on witch the user homes are located and shares it via samba witch is configured with ldap | 18:19 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer runs away at the sight of ldap. | 18:19 | |
| vikfreeze | everything works fine on the server but not in the mounts, more specificaly write denial only ocures in the mounted directory, the rest of the system is fine | 18:20 |
| asaaki | MartijnVdS: thanks! finally a successful build (i hope! haven't tested yet). but i found this, quicker search in place of apt-file http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents | 18:48 |
| asaaki | MartijnVdS: so i'm getting some sleep now :) | 18:49 |
| AlanBell | asaaki: would be interested to know how you get on with speech recognition | 18:56 |
| asaaki | AlanBell: sure. do you work in anything related? | 18:58 |
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| Myrtti | *sigh* | 19:46 |
| * popey hugs Myrtti | 19:50 | |
| hamitron | shauno: ? | 19:51 |
| hamitron | good looking am I not? ;) | 19:51 |
| MooDoo | evening all | 19:52 |
| AlanBell | evening all | 20:00 |
| MooDoo | hi alan | 20:00 |
| AlanBell | meeting about to start in #ubuntu-uk-meeting | 20:02 |
| brobostigon | oh,yes, minute. | 20:02 |
| daubers | lo | 20:12 |
| dimas_ | could someone tell me how to add a repository in synaptic? | 21:04 |
| brobostigon | dimas_: software sources. | 21:05 |
| dimas_ | brobostigon yes but i dont understand how the git thing works | 21:06 |
| dimas_ | or is it something different? | 21:06 |
| brobostigon | dimas_: you need to use git, to download from a gitrepo, asprosumablythe stuff inthe git repo needs to be compiled from source. | 21:07 |
| brobostigon | !git | 21:07 |
| lubotu3` | git is a distributed revision control/software code management project created by Linus Torvalds. For more information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software) | 21:07 |
| brobostigon | ie, you need a/the git cient, to download from git repo. | 21:07 |
| brobostigon | you cant use it, edirectly as apt repo. | 21:08 |
| dimas_ | is it possible that the repo miss a data? | 21:08 |
| brobostigon | ? | 21:08 |
| brobostigon | i dont understand youre question. | 21:08 |
| dimas_ | i did tryed to install the application from the source project page and in the middle i get a error saying i am missing a file | 21:09 |
| dimas_ | donwloading from a git | 21:09 |
| brobostigon | what did it say was missing? | 21:10 |
| dimas_ | wow...i dont remember anymore but it has to be to an automaking or something like that | 21:10 |
| brobostigon | i cant really tell you, how to complete it, unless you can tellme what is/was missing. did you have allthe build tools, like gcc etc ? | 21:11 |
| dimas_ | i just fallow the instructions on the page...they tell the dependencies that i need to install | 21:12 |
| brobostigon | !info build-essential | 21:13 |
| lubotu3` | build-essential (source: build-essential): Informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.5ubuntu1 (natty), package size 5 kB, installed size 48 kB | 21:13 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 21:13 |
| dimas_ | brobostigon i am just trying to install a radio station for my girlfriend and now i look like a moron..lol | 21:14 |
| dimas_ | could you help me with this? | 21:15 |
| dimas_ | i am trying to install idjc | 21:15 |
| brobostigon | dimas_: what is the software tou are trying to compile ? | 21:15 |
| brobostigon | ok, minute. | 21:15 |
| dimas_ | idjc-0.8.4 come with ubuntu 11.04 but i am having problems to connect to the jack server...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1792197&highlight=idjc+unable+connect+jack+server | 21:16 |
| brobostigon | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=idjc&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all | 21:16 |
| brobostigon | it is there inthe repos. | 21:17 |
| brobostigon | sudo apt-get install idjc | 21:17 |
| brobostigon | i knownothing, about jack, not aclue, i cant help with that one. | 21:18 |
| dimas_ | brobostigon thank you | 21:23 |
| brobostigon | dimas_: i would wait eround, there are people here, who do know about jack. | 21:23 |
| dimas_ | really | 21:23 |
| dimas_ | oke | 21:23 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 21:23 |
| brobostigon | within, androids service manegement, is google messaging service, inclusive of the mms service ? | 21:33 |
| AlanBell | http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | if people would like to like that that would be good | 22:01 |
| AlanBell | 25 people and it can have a vanity URL which is apparantly quite the thing to have | 22:01 |
| brunogirin | that's 2 of us so far, just 23 to go! | 22:07 |
| oopsies | i seemed to have installed, but there are no users, how can I create a user if I have no access rights? lol | 22:22 |
| AlanBell | oopsies: normally you create a user as part of the install process | 22:23 |
| oopsies | obviously, but i missed it out somehow | 22:23 |
| oopsies | can I create users using passwd file, or would that be too easy? | 22:24 |
| AlanBell | did you just go through the desktop install? | 22:25 |
| AlanBell | or the alternate CD or server or something | 22:25 |
| oopsies | network install | 22:26 |
| AlanBell | ok, do you think it completed? | 22:28 |
| AlanBell | you can use adduser to create a user if you can get in as root | 22:28 |
| oopsies | i get to a login screen, so i think its well enough, there are just no users | 22:28 |
| AlanBell | which you can do from the grub menu if you can get there | 22:28 |
| oopsies | there are no root by default, surely | 22:29 |
| AlanBell | when you boot if you hold shift you can get to the grub menu | 22:29 |
| AlanBell | if you pick a recovery kernel option it will go to another menu | 22:29 |
| AlanBell | from there you can drop to a single user root shell | 22:29 |
| AlanBell | and then you can "adduser oopsies" | 22:30 |
| AlanBell | and create yourself | 22:30 |
| oopsies | sure thing, I forgot about that actually :) | 22:30 |
| oopsies | haha I need a spank | 22:30 |
| AlanBell | do ls /home/ first to see if it created your home dir | 22:30 |
| Rafz | g'day | 22:31 |
| AlanBell | o/ Rafz | 22:31 |
| oopsies | AlanBell: yes :) cheers | 22:31 |
| === john_420 is now known as Rafz^ | ||
| * Rafz^ pats self on back | 22:35 | |
| Rafz^ | managed to figure out how to get here without using browser! | 22:35 |
| brobostigon | good night everyone, sleep well. | 22:37 |
| oopsies | night night | 22:38 |
| brobostigon | night oopsies | 22:38 |
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