[00:00] shauno: I'd be getting 4 less cd [00:00] now, where are those booklets! [00:00] good question! [00:00] shauno: I guess no goodies, but a range of version cd would be better [00:00] and you can give the bag to whoever wants it [00:00] surprised they don't sell any of the books. my head wants to think they'd make a decent bundle pack thingie [00:00] 32/64bit, live+alt cd [00:01] popey: thank you for storing the stuff never said thanks! my manner! [00:01] 4 cd in 1 pack = win [00:01] I think coming as a bunch of options would ruin the "this is easy" thing they're trying to sell [00:01] I'll bring you back an irish breakie roll, [00:01] * popey wanders off to look for things [00:01] shauno: make it "collectors edition for geek" [00:02] heh, the store say they're not shipping natty until early may. I wonder how often they update those =x [00:02] in a tin box [00:02] \o/ [00:04] hm, reminds me, I meant to take another bash at grub-efi and try writing some of it down this time [00:04] oh [00:04] http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=765 [00:04] they do offer it [00:05] just not the version I want [00:05] :/ [00:05] you mean they don't still sell 8.06? *gasp* [00:05] be nice to have 32+64 bit as well [00:05] or is that too new :p [00:05] I only want the latest LTS [00:05] ;/ [00:05] *latest* [00:05] ;p [00:06] cutting edge me [00:06] ;) [00:06] lol [00:07] I'm just hoping ubuntu gets over it's ugly teenage years before the next lts. else I'm likely back to debian :/ [00:08] wait, you use debian and regard ubuntu as ugly? [00:08] I'm giving it real consideration, packing my own stuff [00:08] :/ [00:08] if I choose everything myself, I have nobody to moan at [00:08] ah, lfs! [00:09] I'd certainly use lfs for reference [00:09] :) [00:09] BigRedS: I more mean as an awkward stage it's going thru, more than actual aesthetics [00:10] Ah, we're back to me being an edge-case :) [00:11] kinda like MS with Windows Vista? ;) [00:11] not really, it's only aesthetic here [00:11] and it's optional, just default [00:12] more like 2k to XP from a UI perspective [00:12] that too [00:12] ish. I wasn't very aware of that one :) [00:12] I jumped from windows 2000 to windows 7 [00:12] haha [00:12] I really found the UI a huge leap [00:13] still feel lost tbh [00:13] I find 7 way easier than XP [00:13] I think. I don't do very much with 7 [00:14] I just don't do much [00:14] :/ [00:14] not finding anything easy [00:15] LXDE is pretty good [00:15] but that is just 1 thing [00:15] I got annoyed with lxde and went back to just editing the files myself... [00:15] it felt so thrown together [00:16] you use something like fluxbox? [00:16] not at the minute, but lxde's just openbox [00:16] I've found lxde to just work [00:17] so not really given it much thought [00:17] :) [00:17] and I keep going back to *box and then get bored of making it work how I want it to and going back to gnome :) [00:17] Gnome kills my machines [00:17] ah yeah. New laptops rock :) [00:17] I can run Gnome fine, but lack memory for firefox [00:18] so lxde just gives me a little more free memory, so I am not "as short" [00:18] still short ofc ;/ [00:18] ah yeah. XFCE's not the lightweight gnome it used to be, either :( [00:19] nope [00:19] :/ [00:19] fluxbox is good for sure [00:19] when you start using stuff like firefox & OOo, worrying about how much ram your DE uses becomes fairly pointless [00:19] but I don't want to have to tweak something [00:19] shauno: just firefox [00:19] ;) [00:20] firefox runs fine on 512Mb RAM, if there isn't much else there [00:20] and I don't go crazy on tabs [00:20] I do curse firefox too though, but gotta have a web browser [00:21] I value the application more than the DE [00:22] Mm, firefox does seem to do alright on low memory, it just does use a bunch if it's available [00:22] * BigRedS notices the time [00:23] sleepytime I think... night all! [00:23] nn BR [00:23] was just thinking about the time too. just finished dinner & I'm still starving. I shouldn't have waited until everything was closed :/ [00:24] :/ [00:25] hah, yeah, I keep making that mistake. Cannot get used to things closing in the countryside, having grown up in London [00:25] is there any way to use ffmpeg to amplify the volume on a video? [00:26] Azelphur: there will be [00:26] ;) [00:27] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1153179.html [00:28] fun [00:48] good lord. running VMs off the ssd is blistering. me likey! [00:51] :) [00:51] I want 4Gb of my RAM back :/ [00:51] lent it to a temp rig for bitcoin mining [00:52] heh. one born every minute ;) [00:52] I could put up with it before this heat [00:53] but now I'm just getting impatient [00:53] hah [00:53] right, stuff this! bed [00:53] nn chaps [00:54] what's responsible for the bubble notification things top-right? [00:54] or more importantly, how do I make them stop [00:54] ask ali1234 [00:55] he's the expert and making them FOAD [00:55] nn [00:55] ali1234: help! I have fire. I want to burn them. where do I aim? [00:57] is there any way to dismiss them atleast? they disappear if I go near them. but come back again :/ [02:05] bubble notifications? [02:05] shauno: you mean the notify-osd? [02:06] yeah. popups top-right that tell me downloads have finished & such [02:07] I can't decide whether they're too different to what I'm used to. or if they really are as idiotic as they feel [02:08] dunno how to get rid of them [02:08] i don't see them very often due to a bug in unity [02:08] which renders them outside the visible screen area [02:09] I'm just using classic. it has a few things irk me, but unity has few things that don't [02:11] well bug is probably in libnofity or compiz actually [02:24] well that was easier than I expected. found /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd, chmod 000 & kill it [02:25] I really don't like that there's no way to dismiss them. I'd rather not get messages at all, than have them behave that daft [07:23] morning all [07:41] Morning [08:07] http://bugs.developers.facebook.net/show_bug.cgi?id=18701 wow [08:07] bugs.developers.facebook.net bug 18701 in General "Application 107648075065 disappeared" [-,New] [08:07] facebook delete the photos of all kde users [08:12] AlanBell: I saw that mentioned on twitter last night [08:14] not just kde users [08:15] they've autobanned a large number of apps [08:16] spammy apps, I guess? [08:16] http://forum.developers.facebook.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355340#p355340 [08:16] http://bit.ly/mTy5fZ [08:17] MartijnVdS: it depends on your perspective [08:17] what seems to have happened is as follows: [08:17] users use a perfectly legit app to upload their photos [08:17] their "friends" mark those apps as spammy [08:17] then they post them on their wall and their friends wall [08:17] then the friends mark it as spam [08:17] then the app gets banned [08:17] so all the users of the app review it highly [08:17] and everyone else hates it [08:18] this is of course completely unfixable for facebook [08:18] it's a fundamental reason why i don't use the site [08:18] ali1234: unless they also add "More of this!" in addition to "Spammy" [08:18] there is always a way [08:19] no [08:19] that won't help [08:19] people will still click "spam" on everything they don't like [08:19] what they should actually do instead of blocking the app [08:19] is suggest you unfriend the person who uses it [08:19] but of course if they do that rapidly everyone will have no friends [08:19] and the site will implode [08:19] There are 2 options.. "Block" and "Mark as spam" [08:19] but there you go [08:20] (as in "Don't allow this app to post on my wall") [08:20] yes, that's what they are no wusing as feedback [08:20] if you block an app that is "bad user feedback" and it's why the apps have been banned [08:21] ali1234: then what is "Mark as spam"? [08:21] ali1234: (a separate option!) [08:21] i suspect most people just click them both [08:21] i know i do [08:21] spam implies block [08:21] well there you go then [08:22] when twitter started sending me suggestions in tweets the first thing i did was report the user for spamming [08:22] i didn't even realise it was an official twitter service [08:22] it just looked like some random joker sending me garbage [08:22] so i reported em [08:22] twitter sends suggestions? [08:22] yes [08:23] never seen that [08:23] http://support.twitter.com/articles/20075772 [08:23] i only saw it once [08:23] then i instantly reported and blocked it [08:23] because just blocking it isn't enough [08:25] ali1234: btw, Facebook also has positive feedback -- "Like" [08:25] why would i want to encourage them? [08:25] your choice ;) [08:28] when i heard about the facebook thing the first thing i thought of was "great. i will now go and report all the annoying apps in facebook" so i logged in... and they are all already gone :o [08:29] :) [08:29] so i am OK with this [08:29] i hope they don't come back [08:44] Was wondering why gedit wasn't installed for a moment, then realised I was using the wrong box :( [08:47] Morning all! o/ [08:52] morning all [08:54] Good morning peeps :) [08:54] morning [08:56] yay my blog post made UWN :)( [08:56] uwn? [08:56] ubuntu weekly news [08:56] I see [09:00] how is everyone today? [09:01] enjoying amusing videos of people who love cats ;) how's everyone else [09:03] tired lol [09:03] Just used the sd card reader in the revo. How wonderfully useful that is [09:03] * bigcalm likes things that *just work* [09:03] morning === hoover_ is now known as hoover [09:04] Howdy hoover [09:04] bigcalm: seconded [09:07] Mornin all [09:15] another quiet tuesday [09:45] Hey hippychick, long time, no chat... [09:46] * selinuxium is much more awake than yesterday... [09:53] morning all [09:53] Morning all [09:54] Hi popey [09:57] morning popey [09:57] * AlanBell sees people signing up to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/1032/detail/ [09:58] morning o/ [09:58] * selinuxium cannot attend Geeknic... :( Doing an office move that weekend.. [10:04] booo to office moves [10:04] not that i can make it anyway lol [10:05] * MooDoo prods czajkowski seeing as davmor2 is away this week [10:07] hi all just a reminder about the team meeting tonight....8pm :) [10:08] AlanBell, in ubuntu-meeting? [10:08] #ubuntu-uk-meeting I think you mean? [10:09] yup [10:09] daubers: I picked 10AM for the library thing, think that is OK? [10:09] popey, thanks was just checking as it's not in the email. [10:10] bah, i can't go to the ubuntu-ie thing :( team dinner at the same time [10:12] http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=156528094418552 [10:14] AlanBell, shared on my facebook page :) [10:15] jolly good [10:15] I still don't really get facebook [10:16] AlanBell, good stay well clear of it :) [10:17] AlanBell: Sounds good, should just be as the cheap trains kick in [10:17] * daubers has the easiest office move ever coming up! [10:18] Step one, acquire sledgehammer, step too, put sledgehammer through wall, step 3, step through hole [10:18] s/too/two [10:18] stupid fingers [10:18] do we need a facebook page or something? [10:18] gord: poor planning the ubuntu-ie thing has been schculed and blogged ! [10:18] a what book page? [10:19] gord: go afterwards and meet the folks from tog.ie [10:19] I think me posting things is sub-optimal as I am a bit of a billy-no-mates [10:20] * daubers just misread the bbc news home page and thought there was a "geek" union [10:22] AlanBell: sup [10:23] AlanBell, ubuntu-uk facebook page? [10:23] yeah, I don't know [10:23] AlanBell, it's easy enough to do :) [10:23] I know there is an ubuntu page somewhere with 400,000 fans or something [10:24] I created that event, and found 14 people to send it to, which feels a bit pointless [10:24] AlanBell, https://www.facebook.com/pages/create.php [10:24] AlanBell: ask jono to share via the ubuntu page [10:24] create it there [10:25] do we need a page? [10:25] popey: share the facebook event I created or the loco directory page? [10:25] popey, probably not, just another place for news [10:25] AlanBell: the event, which contains a link to the loco directory [10:26] ok [10:35] AlanBell, are you sending a reminder out about the meeting? [10:35] yup . . . [10:44] "All are welcome" except Vogons [10:44] Feels like my office has more and more vogons every day :( stupid paper work [10:45] daubers, shush i'm drinking my pangalacticgargleblaster andwant to do it in peace :) [10:46] * MooDoo just hopes vogons were in hitch hikers lol [10:46] MooDoo: They were [10:46] daithif, thought so, just had a brain freeze :) [10:56] good morning everyone. [10:56] brobostigon, morning :) [10:57] MooDoo: morning :) [10:59] I still don't get what "Digital Dogging" is that TheOpenSourcerer mentioned this morning [11:00] :-D [11:00] maybe some activity in virtual, like second life ? [11:01] ;] [11:01] I don't have TheOpenSourcerer down as a Second Life kinda guy [11:01] he's more of a First Life dude [11:01] hmm,ok. [11:03] maybe by some method, machines virtually dogging eachother? [11:03] it involves beer [11:06] using an arduino to brew beer? [11:06] you are over complicating things [11:07] um [11:07] popey: That phrase made me reach for the mind bleach [11:08] http://mindbleach.org/ [11:09] * brobostigon shakes fist at stupid telephone sales people. [11:09] \o/ New phone day today [11:10] good luck daubers :) [11:16] geetings fellow penguins [11:16] greetings* [11:16] geek1d, greeting :) [11:18] AlanBell: sharing of beer meetups, over mobile. [11:19] it involves going to a pub and drinking most of it. Quite simple. [11:19] :) [11:19] * BigRedS appears to have focussed this window at the right sort of time [11:19] i was overthinking it. [11:20] MooDoo, :) [11:20] * AlanBell is getting slightly annoyed at LibreOffice windows randomly crashing and vanishing [11:20] :( [11:20] anything intresting going on in the ubuntu-uk channel! [11:21] geek1d, always :) we're here :) [11:21] Anyone got any news we should cover on the podcast? [11:21] we're pre-recording tonight for next week [11:21] (no live show) [11:21] books and butties [11:21] popey, progress of oggcamp? well it's not news but would be interesting [11:21] got that [11:22] yup. oggcamp update too [11:22] popey, ubuntu-uk call to arms for the loco renewal? [11:22] clutchinbg at straws here :) [11:23] do we have a date for re-approval meeting yet? [11:23] It's not on the loco council agenda [11:23] is it stil "some time before oneiric"? [11:24] it is some time before oneiric, I would like it to be the next loco-council meeting I don't intend to add it to the agenda until there is something worth looking at [11:24] ok [11:24] * AlanBell prepares documents to present at the Home Office tomorrow [11:26] * brobostigon noticed, we dont seem to have an autism/aspergers group. [11:27] should we have one? [11:27] maybe, just an idea [11:27] freenode does, #wrongplanet [11:28] yes,but that is outside,not within ubuntu's community. [11:31] #nowjs [11:32] popey: I keep meaning to drop the podcast an email about your "accessible server" thing the other episode [11:32] * popey hands carl__ a "/" and a "j", "o", "i" and finally an "s" [11:32] daubers: DO IT! [11:32] do it now! [11:32] s/s/n [11:33] popey: i.e. that is how I get my wages paid :) [11:34] http://popey.com/minecraft/day/#/-952/64/-6777/-3/mcmapLighting [11:35] we now have an area set aside for the welsh on the minecraft map [11:35] zoom out and note how far away it is from the rest of the map [11:35] heh [11:36] it is a bit too flat and dry [11:36] hehe [11:36] populations about right though [11:37] haha [11:37] how many sheep are there in that section? [11:38] hah [11:38] I hear it's good for mining [11:39] "Breaking news: RMS is attending in Vienna" [11:39] bah, wrong channel [11:45] popey: Lots of coal? [12:18] Humm, I'm near Telford [12:27] ok.. massively confused [12:27] just went to download the 11.04 torrent [12:27] clicked download [12:27] transmission opened [12:28] 10 seconds later it was downloaded [12:28] 685 mb [12:29] wow [12:29] did you already have it? [12:30] AlanBell: not that I know of [12:30] and I saw the progress bar jumping up pretty fastr [12:30] Purely on a off-chance anyone might have actually done so - have one tried using jabber-terminal from here: https://code.google.com/p/jabber-terminal/ [12:30] unless it identified the same iso someplace else on my system [12:30] i.e. spotlight is torrent aware [12:31] I attempted download it through unetbootin directly a few days back.. but it stopped at 181MB [12:31] (that was home, rather than the office connection). [12:32] well i'm not getting a 10 second download but 900KB/s aint bad [12:45] A question regarding screen - With screen - you use Ctrl-A etc to pass commands to screen- but what if I'm using an app that also make use of CTRL-A too - how do I pass that to the app instead of screen (hope the question make sense?)? [12:48] you can remap the esc key JGJones [12:48] hmm I'm actually using byobu - so it's using the function keys instead [12:49] byobu is just a spiced up screen with a cool init file ;-) [12:49] hmm. not raining. That means I have to go to the school sports day [12:49] you can change the control char with the -e option [12:50] have fun AlanBell :) [12:50] AlanBell, went to my nephews last week....what fun ;) [12:51] * AlanBell gets set for the humiliating dads race [12:51] AlanBell, it's a bonus you get to run in the father's run! (and don't end up with an inflammed knee like I did)...it's not cool for the kids to see their father hobbling off in front of the whole school [12:51] AlanBell: in the rain? [12:51] raining here [12:51] no rain here [12:51] they don't actually let the dads run, it is generally some kind of hopping with a beanbag between your knees thing [12:52] I would actually be up for a proper 100M race [12:52] AlanBell, my son ran, well he ran up the lanes with the big kids, sneaked onto the track lol 2.5 years old lol bless [12:54] AlanBell, ah...beanbag between knees :D My kid's school's a proper run, but think it's more like 70m [12:55] hoover, ta - have remapped the esc key, that fixed it. [12:58] JGJones: C-a a [12:59] Laney, so if using say...minicom - this would mean in screen I would need to go Ctrl-A a z to do Ctrl-A Z for minicom? [13:00] sounds right [13:01] ah...that works too [13:01] ta Laney although mapping esc key make it go quicker [13:01] (1 less button to press) === midoubleko_ is now known as midoubleko [13:04] Would any hardware modem "just works" with Ubuntu? (not a winmodem) [13:04] even if via USB if no serial port available? [13:05] JGJones: should do, yeah [13:05] using minicom inside screen is going to get confusing [13:07] jabber-terminal should make screen unnecessary anyway [13:07] great, cycled to the school, now pouring down [13:08] ali1234, I've got that installed but doesn't seem to work for me - it logs on to the jabber...but...after that...no idea and it ends in an error anyway. [13:08] Jabber \o/ [13:09] and finally - minicom does use CTRL-A etc for menus - how would you pass that in jabber? :) [13:09] well you don't *have* to use minicom [13:09] you might be better of using something simpler like cu [13:09] true...but first...would need to get jabber-terminal working anyway. [13:09] you got it working? [13:09] i will dig out the old modem and try it [13:10] jabber-terminal? whatever next...? ;) [13:10] smtp-terminal! [13:10] i remember putting those modem in a box the other day...... [13:10] serial graphics [13:19] it's halfway through 2011, and minecraft still ships a broken lwjgl? [13:20] lwjgl? [13:20] LightWeight Java Game Library [13:21] lightweight? [13:21] Java? [13:22] I suppose it's all relative... [13:22] game? [13:22] java? [13:22] etc [13:22] I can't think of a pithy comment to continue the chain. [13:24] Library? [13:24] * AlanBell is soaking [13:25] what exactly is broken about it? [13:25] does anyone else get the thing where keys get stuck? is that what's broken about it? [13:26] ali1234, everyone on linux gets that, yes [13:26] ali1234, and yes, that's one of the two major flaws in the shipped version of lwjgl [13:27] JGJones: did you compile jabber-terminal from source? [13:28] 12:51:19 < popey> AlanBell: in the rain? [13:28] was my hint that it was likely to rain :D [13:28] yes, I know [13:28] Good good. [13:29] but I would be even more of a failure if I hadn't turned up [13:29] you've got to love these none helpful error messages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/634253/ [13:30] it's dying because no ~/.jabber-terminal.com === DanielRM^2 is now known as DanielRM [13:30] but i had to strace it to find that out [13:40]