[00:00] <hamitron> shauno: I'd be getting 4 less cd
[00:00] <popey> now, where are those booklets!
[00:00] <popey> good question!
[00:00] <hamitron> shauno: I guess no goodies, but a range of version cd would be better
[00:00] <czajkowski> and you can give the bag to whoever wants it
[00:00] <shauno> surprised they don't sell any of the books.  my head wants to think they'd make a decent bundle pack thingie
[00:00] <hamitron> 32/64bit, live+alt cd
[00:01] <czajkowski> popey: thank you for storing the stuff never said thanks! my manner!
[00:01] <hamitron> 4 cd in 1 pack = win
[00:01] <shauno> I think coming as a bunch of options would ruin the "this is easy" thing they're trying to sell
[00:01] <czajkowski> I'll bring you back an irish breakie roll,
[00:01]  * popey wanders off to look for things
[00:01] <hamitron> shauno: make it "collectors edition for geek"
[00:02] <shauno> heh, the store say they're not shipping natty until early may.  I wonder how often they update those =x
[00:02] <hamitron> in a tin box
[00:02] <hamitron> \o/
[00:04] <shauno> hm, reminds me, I meant to take another bash at grub-efi and try writing some of it down this time
[00:04] <hamitron> oh
[00:04] <hamitron> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=765
[00:04] <hamitron> they do offer it
[00:05] <hamitron> just not the version I want
[00:05] <hamitron> :/
[00:05] <shauno> you mean they don't still sell 8.06?  *gasp*
[00:05] <hamitron> be nice to have 32+64 bit as well
[00:05] <shauno> or is that too new :p
[00:05] <hamitron> I only want the latest LTS
[00:05] <hamitron> ;/
[00:05] <hamitron> *latest*
[00:05] <hamitron> ;p
[00:06] <hamitron> cutting edge me
[00:06] <hamitron> ;)
[00:06] <shauno> lol
[00:07] <shauno> I'm just hoping ubuntu gets over it's ugly teenage years before the next lts.  else I'm likely back to debian :/
[00:08] <BigRedS> wait, you use debian and regard ubuntu as ugly?
[00:08] <hamitron> I'm giving it real consideration, packing my own stuff
[00:08] <hamitron> :/
[00:08] <hamitron> if I choose everything myself, I have nobody to moan at
[00:08] <BigRedS> ah, lfs!
[00:09] <hamitron> I'd certainly use lfs for reference
[00:09] <hamitron> :)
[00:09] <shauno> BigRedS: I more mean as an awkward stage it's going thru, more than actual aesthetics
[00:10] <BigRedS> Ah, we're back to me being an edge-case :)
[00:11] <hamitron> kinda like MS with Windows Vista? ;)
[00:11] <BigRedS> not really, it's only aesthetic here
[00:11] <BigRedS> and it's optional, just default
[00:12] <BigRedS> more like 2k to XP from a UI perspective
[00:12] <hamitron> that too
[00:12] <BigRedS> ish. I wasn't very aware of that one :)
[00:12] <hamitron> I jumped from windows 2000 to windows 7
[00:12] <hamitron> haha
[00:12] <hamitron> I really found the UI a huge leap
[00:13] <hamitron> still feel lost tbh
[00:13] <BigRedS> I find 7 way easier than XP
[00:13] <BigRedS> I think. I don't do very much with 7
[00:14] <hamitron> I just don't do much
[00:14] <hamitron> :/
[00:14] <hamitron> not finding anything easy
[00:15] <hamitron> LXDE is pretty good
[00:15] <hamitron> but that is just 1 thing
[00:15] <BigRedS> I got annoyed with lxde and went back to just editing the files myself...
[00:15] <BigRedS> it felt so thrown together
[00:16] <hamitron> you use something like fluxbox?
[00:16] <BigRedS> not at the minute, but lxde's just openbox
[00:16] <hamitron> I've found lxde to just work
[00:17] <hamitron> so not really given it much thought
[00:17] <hamitron> :)
[00:17] <BigRedS> and I keep going back to *box and then get bored of making it work how I want it to and going back to gnome :)
[00:17] <hamitron> Gnome kills my machines
[00:17] <BigRedS> ah yeah. New laptops rock :)
[00:17] <hamitron> I can run Gnome fine, but lack memory for firefox
[00:18] <hamitron> so lxde just gives me a little more free memory, so I am not "as short"
[00:18] <hamitron> still short ofc ;/
[00:18] <BigRedS> ah yeah. XFCE's not the lightweight gnome it used to be, either :(
[00:19] <hamitron> nope
[00:19] <hamitron> :/
[00:19] <hamitron> fluxbox is good for sure
[00:19] <shauno> when you start using stuff like firefox & OOo, worrying about how much ram your DE uses becomes fairly pointless
[00:19] <hamitron> but I don't want to have to tweak something
[00:19] <hamitron> shauno: just firefox
[00:19] <hamitron> ;)
[00:20] <hamitron> firefox runs fine on 512Mb RAM, if there isn't much else there
[00:20] <hamitron> and I don't go crazy on tabs
[00:20] <hamitron> I do curse firefox too though, but gotta have a web browser
[00:21] <hamitron> I value the application more than the DE
[00:22] <BigRedS> Mm, firefox does seem to do alright on low memory, it just does use a bunch if it's available
[00:22]  * BigRedS notices the time
[00:23] <BigRedS> sleepytime I think... night all!
[00:23] <hamitron> nn BR
[00:23] <shauno> was just thinking about the time too.  just finished dinner & I'm still starving.  I shouldn't have waited until everything was closed :/
[00:24] <hamitron> :/
[00:25] <BigRedS> hah, yeah, I keep making that mistake. Cannot get used to things closing in the countryside, having grown up in London
[00:25] <Azelphur> is there any way to use ffmpeg to amplify the volume on a video?
[00:26] <hamitron> Azelphur: there will be
[00:26] <hamitron> ;)
[00:27] <hamitron> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1153179.html
[00:28] <Azelphur> fun
[00:48] <shauno> good lord.  running VMs off the ssd is blistering.  me likey!
[00:51] <hamitron> :)
[00:51] <hamitron> I want 4Gb of my RAM back :/
[00:51] <hamitron> lent it to a temp rig for bitcoin mining
[00:52] <shauno> heh.  one born every minute ;)
[00:52] <hamitron> I could put up with it before this heat
[00:53] <hamitron> but now I'm just getting impatient
[00:53] <popey> hah
[00:53] <popey> right, stuff this! bed
[00:53] <popey> nn chaps
[00:54] <shauno> what's responsible for the bubble notification things top-right?
[00:54] <shauno> or more importantly, how do I make them stop
[00:54] <popey> ask ali1234
[00:55] <popey> he's the expert and making them FOAD
[00:55] <popey> nn
[00:55] <shauno> ali1234: help!  I have fire.  I want to burn them.  where do I aim?
[00:57] <shauno> is there any way to dismiss them atleast? they disappear if I go near them.  but come back again :/
[02:05] <ali1234> bubble notifications?
[02:05] <ali1234> shauno: you mean the notify-osd?
[02:06] <shauno> yeah.  popups top-right that tell me downloads have finished & such
[02:07] <shauno> I can't decide whether they're too different to what I'm used to.  or if they really are as idiotic as they feel
[02:08] <ali1234> dunno how to get rid of them
[02:08] <ali1234> i don't see them very often due to a bug in unity
[02:08] <ali1234> which renders them outside the visible screen area
[02:09] <shauno> I'm just using classic.  it has a few things irk me, but unity has few things that don't
[02:11] <ali1234> well bug is probably in libnofity or compiz actually
[02:24] <shauno> well that was easier than I expected.  found /usr/lib/notify-osd/notify-osd, chmod 000 & kill it
[02:25] <shauno> I really don't like that there's no way to dismiss them.  I'd rather not get messages at all, than have them behave that daft
[07:23] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:41] <daubers> Morning
[08:07] <AlanBell> http://bugs.developers.facebook.net/show_bug.cgi?id=18701 wow
[08:07] <lubotu3`> bugs.developers.facebook.net bug 18701 in General "Application 107648075065 disappeared" [-,New]
[08:07] <AlanBell> facebook delete the photos of all kde users
[08:12] <DJones> AlanBell: I saw that mentioned on twitter last night
[08:14] <ali1234> not just kde users
[08:15] <ali1234> they've autobanned a large number of apps
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> spammy apps, I  guess?
[08:16] <ali1234> http://forum.developers.facebook.net/viewtopic.php?pid=355340#p355340
[08:16] <DJones> http://bit.ly/mTy5fZ
[08:17] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: it depends on your perspective
[08:17] <ali1234> what seems to have happened is as follows:
[08:17] <ali1234> users use a perfectly legit app to upload their photos
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> their "friends" mark those apps as spammy
[08:17] <ali1234> then they post them on their wall and their friends wall
[08:17] <ali1234> then the friends mark it as spam
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> then the app gets banned
[08:17] <ali1234> so all the users of the app review it highly
[08:17] <ali1234> and everyone else hates it
[08:18] <ali1234> this is of course completely unfixable for facebook
[08:18] <ali1234> it's a fundamental reason why i don't use the site
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: unless they also add "More of this!" in addition to "Spammy"
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> there is always a way
[08:19] <ali1234> no
[08:19] <ali1234> that won't help
[08:19] <ali1234> people will still click "spam" on everything they don't like
[08:19] <ali1234> what they should actually do instead of blocking the app
[08:19] <ali1234> is suggest you unfriend the person who uses it
[08:19] <ali1234> but of course if they do that rapidly everyone will have no friends
[08:19] <ali1234> and the site will implode
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> There are 2 options.. "Block" and "Mark as spam"
[08:19] <ali1234> but there you go
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> (as in "Don't allow this app to post on my wall")
[08:20] <ali1234> yes, that's what they are no wusing as feedback
[08:20] <ali1234> if you block an app that is "bad user feedback" and it's why the apps have been banned
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: then what is "Mark as spam"?
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: (a separate option!)
[08:21] <ali1234> i suspect most people just click them both
[08:21] <ali1234> i know i do
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> spam implies block
[08:21] <ali1234> well there you go then
[08:22] <ali1234> when twitter started sending me suggestions in tweets the first thing i did was report the user for spamming
[08:22] <ali1234> i didn't even realise it was an official twitter service
[08:22] <ali1234> it just looked like some random joker sending me garbage
[08:22] <ali1234> so i reported em
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> twitter sends suggestions?
[08:22] <ali1234> yes
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> never seen that
[08:23] <ali1234> http://support.twitter.com/articles/20075772
[08:23] <ali1234> i only saw it once
[08:23] <ali1234> then i instantly reported and blocked it
[08:23] <ali1234> because just blocking it isn't enough
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: btw, Facebook also has positive feedback -- "Like"
[08:25] <ali1234> why would i want to encourage them?
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> your choice ;)
[08:28] <ali1234> when i heard about the facebook thing the first thing i thought of was "great. i will now go and report all the annoying apps in facebook" so i logged in... and they are all already gone :o
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> :)
[08:29] <ali1234> so i am OK with this
[08:29] <ali1234> i hope they don't come back
[08:44] <daubers> Was wondering why gedit wasn't installed for a moment, then realised I was using the wrong box :(
[08:47] <selinuxium> Morning all!   o/
[08:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:54] <MooDoo> morning
[08:56] <MooDoo> yay my blog post made UWN :)(
[08:56] <bigcalm> uwn?
[08:56] <MooDoo> ubuntu weekly news
[08:56] <bigcalm> I see
[09:00] <MooDoo> how is everyone today?
[09:01] <dwatkins> enjoying amusing videos of people who love cats ;) how's everyone else
[09:03] <MooDoo> tired lol
[09:03] <bigcalm> Just used the sd card reader in the revo. How wonderfully useful that is
[09:03]  * bigcalm likes things that *just work*
[09:03] <hoover_> morning
[09:04] <bigcalm> Howdy hoover
[09:04] <dwatkins> bigcalm: seconded
[09:07] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:15] <MooDoo> another quiet tuesday
[09:45] <selinuxium> Hey hippychick, long time, no chat...
[09:46]  * selinuxium is much more awake than yesterday...
[09:53] <popey> morning all
[09:53] <diplo> Morning all
[09:54] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[09:57] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:57]  * AlanBell sees people signing up to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/1032/detail/
[09:58] <selinuxium> morning  o/
[09:58]  * selinuxium cannot attend Geeknic... :( Doing an office move that weekend..
[10:04] <MooDoo> booo to office moves
[10:04] <MooDoo> not that i can make it anyway lol
[10:05]  * MooDoo prods czajkowski seeing as davmor2 is away this week 
[10:07] <MooDoo> hi all just a reminder about the team meeting tonight....8pm :)
[10:08] <MooDoo> AlanBell, in ubuntu-meeting?
[10:08] <popey> #ubuntu-uk-meeting I think you mean?
[10:09] <AlanBell> yup
[10:09] <AlanBell> daubers: I picked 10AM for the library thing, think that is OK?
[10:09] <MooDoo> popey, thanks was just checking as it's not in the email.
[10:10] <gord> bah, i can't go to the ubuntu-ie thing :( team dinner at the same time
[10:12] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=156528094418552
[10:14] <MooDoo> AlanBell, shared on my facebook page :)
[10:15] <AlanBell> jolly good
[10:15] <AlanBell> I still don't really get facebook
[10:16] <MooDoo> AlanBell, good stay well clear of it :)
[10:17] <daubers> AlanBell: Sounds good, should just be as the cheap trains kick in
[10:17]  * daubers has the easiest office move ever coming up!
[10:18] <daubers> Step one, acquire sledgehammer, step too, put sledgehammer through wall, step 3, step through hole
[10:18] <daubers> s/too/two
[10:18] <daubers> stupid fingers
[10:18] <AlanBell> do we need a facebook page or something?
[10:18] <czajkowski> gord: poor planning the ubuntu-ie thing has been schculed and blogged !
[10:18] <daubers> a what book page?
[10:19] <czajkowski> gord: go afterwards and meet the folks from tog.ie
[10:19] <AlanBell> I think me posting things is sub-optimal as I am a bit of a billy-no-mates
[10:20]  * daubers just misread the bbc news home page and thought there was a "geek" union
[10:22] <czajkowski> AlanBell: sup
[10:23] <MooDoo> AlanBell, ubuntu-uk facebook page?
[10:23] <AlanBell> yeah, I don't know
[10:23] <MooDoo> AlanBell, it's easy enough to do :)
[10:23] <AlanBell> I know there is an ubuntu page somewhere with 400,000 fans or something
[10:24] <AlanBell> I created that event, and found 14 people to send it to, which feels a bit pointless
[10:24] <MooDoo> AlanBell, https://www.facebook.com/pages/create.php
[10:24] <popey> AlanBell: ask jono to share via the ubuntu page
[10:24] <MooDoo> create it there
[10:25] <popey> do we need a page?
[10:25] <AlanBell> popey: share the facebook event I created or the loco directory page?
[10:25] <MooDoo> popey, probably not, just another place for news
[10:25] <popey> AlanBell: the event, which contains a link to the loco directory
[10:26] <AlanBell> ok
[10:35] <MooDoo> AlanBell, are you sending a reminder out about the meeting?
[10:35] <AlanBell> yup . . .
[10:44] <daubers> "All are welcome" except Vogons
[10:44] <daubers> Feels like my office has more and more vogons every day :( stupid paper work
[10:45] <MooDoo> daubers, shush i'm drinking my pangalacticgargleblaster andwant to do it in peace :)
[10:46]  * MooDoo just hopes vogons were in hitch hikers lol
[10:46] <daubers> MooDoo: They were
[10:46] <MooDoo> daithif, thought so, just had a brain freeze :)
[10:56] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:56] <MooDoo> brobostigon, morning :)
[10:57] <brobostigon> MooDoo: morning :)
[10:59] <popey> I still don't get what "Digital Dogging" is that TheOpenSourcerer mentioned this morning
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[11:00] <brobostigon> maybe some activity in virtual, like second life ?
[11:01] <matti> ;]
[11:01] <popey> I don't have TheOpenSourcerer down as a Second Life kinda guy
[11:01] <popey> he's more of a First Life dude
[11:01] <brobostigon> hmm,ok.
[11:03] <brobostigon> maybe by some method, machines virtually dogging eachother?
[11:03] <AlanBell> it involves beer
[11:06] <brobostigon> using an arduino to brew beer?
[11:06] <AlanBell> you are over complicating things
[11:07] <ali1234> um
[11:07] <daubers> popey: That phrase made me reach for the mind bleach
[11:08] <daubers> http://mindbleach.org/
[11:09]  * brobostigon shakes fist at stupid telephone sales people.
[11:09] <daubers> \o/ New phone day today
[11:10] <brobostigon> good luck daubers :)
[11:16] <geek1d> geetings fellow penguins
[11:16] <geek1d> greetings*
[11:16] <MooDoo> geek1d, greeting :)
[11:18] <brobostigon> AlanBell: sharing of beer meetups, over mobile.
[11:19] <AlanBell> it involves going to a pub and drinking most of it. Quite simple.
[11:19] <brobostigon> :)
[11:19]  * BigRedS appears to have focussed this window at the right sort of time
[11:19] <brobostigon> i was overthinking it.
[11:20] <geek1d> MooDoo, :)
[11:20]  * AlanBell is getting slightly annoyed at LibreOffice windows randomly crashing and vanishing
[11:20] <brobostigon> :(
[11:20] <geek1d> anything intresting going on in the ubuntu-uk channel!
[11:21] <MooDoo> geek1d, always :) we're here :)
[11:21] <popey> Anyone got any news we should cover on the podcast?
[11:21] <popey> we're pre-recording tonight for next week
[11:21] <popey> (no live show)
[11:21] <AlanBell> books and butties
[11:21] <MooDoo> popey, progress of oggcamp?  well it's not news but would be interesting
[11:21] <popey> got that
[11:22] <popey> yup. oggcamp update too
[11:22] <MooDoo> popey, ubuntu-uk call to arms for the loco renewal?
[11:22] <MooDoo> clutchinbg at straws here :)
[11:23] <popey> do we have a date for re-approval meeting yet?
[11:23] <popey> It's not on the loco council agenda
[11:23] <popey> is it stil "some time before oneiric"?
[11:24] <AlanBell> it is some time before oneiric, I would like it to be the next loco-council meeting I don't intend to add it to the agenda until there is something worth looking at
[11:24] <popey> ok
[11:24]  * AlanBell prepares documents to present at the Home Office tomorrow
[11:26]  * brobostigon noticed, we dont seem to have an autism/aspergers group.
[11:27] <BigRedS> should we have one?
[11:27] <brobostigon> maybe, just an idea
[11:27] <AlanBell> freenode does, #wrongplanet
[11:28] <brobostigon> yes,but that is outside,not within ubuntu's community.
[11:31] <carl__> #nowjs
[11:32] <daubers> popey: I keep meaning to drop the podcast an email about your "accessible server" thing the other episode
[11:32]  * popey hands carl__ a "/" and a "j", "o", "i" and finally an "s"
[11:32] <popey> daubers: DO IT!
[11:32] <popey> do it now!
[11:32] <popey> s/s/n
[11:33] <daubers> popey: i.e. that is how I get my wages paid :)
[11:34] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/day/#/-952/64/-6777/-3/mcmapLighting
[11:35] <popey> we now have an area set aside for the welsh on the minecraft map
[11:35] <popey> zoom out and note how far away it is from the rest of the map
[11:35] <daubers> heh
[11:36] <AlanBell> it is a bit too flat and dry
[11:36] <dogmatic69_> hehe
[11:36] <daubers> populations about right though
[11:37] <BigRedS> haha
[11:37] <dogmatic69_> how many sheep are there in that section?
[11:38] <popey> hah
[11:38] <popey> I hear it's good for mining
[11:39] <popey> "Breaking news: RMS is attending in Vienna"
[11:39] <popey> bah, wrong channel
[11:45] <daubers> popey: Lots of coal?
[12:18] <bigcalm> Humm, I'm near Telford
[12:27] <andylockran> ok.. massively confused
[12:27] <andylockran> just went to download the 11.04 torrent
[12:27] <andylockran> clicked download
[12:27] <andylockran> transmission opened
[12:28] <andylockran> 10 seconds later it was downloaded
[12:28] <andylockran> 685 mb
[12:29] <MooDoo> wow
[12:29] <AlanBell> did you already have it?
[12:30] <andylockran> AlanBell: not that I know of
[12:30] <andylockran> and I saw the progress bar jumping up pretty fastr
[12:30] <JGJones> Purely on a off-chance anyone might have actually done so - have one tried using jabber-terminal from here: https://code.google.com/p/jabber-terminal/
[12:30] <andylockran> unless it identified the same iso someplace else on my system
[12:30] <andylockran> i.e. spotlight is torrent aware
[12:31] <andylockran> I attempted download it through unetbootin directly a few days back.. but it stopped at 181MB
[12:31] <andylockran> (that was home, rather than the office connection).
[12:32] <MooDoo> well i'm not getting a 10 second download but 900KB/s aint bad
[12:45] <JGJones> A question regarding screen - With screen - you use Ctrl-A etc to pass commands to screen- but what if I'm using an app that also make use of CTRL-A too - how do I pass that to the app instead of screen (hope the question make sense?)?
[12:48] <hoover> you can remap the esc key JGJones
[12:48] <JGJones> hmm I'm actually using byobu - so it's using the function keys instead
[12:49] <hoover> byobu is just a spiced up screen with a cool init file ;-)
[12:49] <AlanBell> hmm. not raining. That means I have to go to the school sports day
[12:49] <hoover> you can change the control char with the -e option
[12:50] <brobostigon> have fun AlanBell :)
[12:50] <MooDoo> AlanBell, went to my nephews last week....what fun ;)
[12:51]  * AlanBell gets set for the humiliating dads race
[12:51] <JGJones> AlanBell, it's a bonus  you get to run in the father's run! (and don't end up with an inflammed knee like I did)...it's not cool for the kids to see their father hobbling off in front of the whole school
[12:51] <popey> AlanBell: in the rain?
[12:51] <popey> raining here
[12:51] <AlanBell> no rain here
[12:51] <AlanBell> they don't actually let the dads run, it is generally some kind of hopping with a beanbag between your knees thing
[12:52] <AlanBell> I would actually be up for a proper 100M race
[12:52] <MooDoo> AlanBell, my son ran, well he ran up the lanes with the big kids, sneaked onto the track lol 2.5 years old lol bless
[12:54] <JGJones> AlanBell, ah...beanbag between knees :D My kid's school's a proper run, but think it's more like 70m
[12:55] <JGJones> hoover, ta - have remapped the esc key, that fixed it.
[12:58] <Laney> JGJones: C-a a
[12:59] <JGJones> Laney, so if using say...minicom - this would mean in screen I would need to go Ctrl-A a z to do Ctrl-A Z for minicom?
[13:00] <Laney> sounds right
[13:01] <JGJones> ah...that works too
[13:01] <JGJones> ta Laney although mapping esc key make it go quicker
[13:01] <JGJones> (1 less button to press)
[13:04] <JGJones> Would any hardware modem "just works" with Ubuntu? (not a winmodem)
[13:04] <JGJones> even if via USB if no serial port available?
[13:05] <ali1234> JGJones: should do, yeah
[13:05] <ali1234> using minicom inside screen is going to get confusing
[13:07] <ali1234> jabber-terminal should make screen unnecessary anyway
[13:07] <AlanBell> great, cycled to the school, now pouring down
[13:08] <JGJones> ali1234, I've got that installed but doesn't seem to work for me - it logs on to the jabber...but...after that...no idea and it ends in an error anyway.
[13:08] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[13:09] <JGJones> and finally - minicom does use CTRL-A etc for menus - how would you pass that in jabber? :)
[13:09] <ali1234> well you don't *have* to use minicom
[13:09] <ali1234> you might be better of using something simpler like cu
[13:09] <JGJones> true...but first...would need to get jabber-terminal working anyway.
[13:09] <JGJones> you got it working?
[13:09] <ali1234> i will dig out the old modem and try it
[13:10] <dwatkins> jabber-terminal? whatever next...? ;)
[13:10] <MattJ> smtp-terminal!
[13:10] <ali1234> i remember putting those modem in a box the other day......
[13:10] <dwatkins> serial graphics
[13:19] <directhex> it's halfway through 2011, and minecraft still ships a broken lwjgl?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> lwjgl?
[13:20] <dutchie> LightWeight Java Game Library
[13:21] <BigRedS> lightweight?
[13:21] <BigRedS> Java?
[13:22] <BigRedS> I suppose it's all relative...
[13:22] <popey> game?
[13:22] <popey> java?
[13:22] <popey> etc
[13:22] <DanielRM> I can't think of a pithy comment to continue the chain.
[13:24] <AlanBell> Library?
[13:24]  * AlanBell is soaking
[13:25] <ali1234> what exactly is broken about it?
[13:25] <ali1234> does anyone else get the thing where keys get stuck? is that what's broken about it?
[13:26] <directhex> ali1234, everyone on linux gets that, yes
[13:26] <directhex> ali1234, and yes, that's one of the two major flaws in the shipped version of lwjgl
[13:27] <ali1234> JGJones: did you compile jabber-terminal from source?
[13:28] <popey> 12:51:19 < popey> AlanBell: in the rain?
[13:28] <popey> was my hint that it was likely to rain :D
[13:28] <AlanBell> yes, I know
[13:28] <popey> Good good.
[13:29] <AlanBell> but I would be even more of a failure if I hadn't turned up
[13:29] <ali1234> you've got to love these none helpful error messages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/634253/
[13:30] <ali1234> it's dying because no ~/.jabber-terminal.com
[13:30] <ali1234> but i had to strace it to find that out
[13:40] <ali1234> ok so there doesn't appear to be anywhere to enter the server..
[13:46] <ali1234> MattJ: got a minute to answer dumb questions about jabber?
[13:46] <MattJ> Jabber away
[13:46] <ali1234> http://stderr.org/doc/libgloox-doc/html/classgloox_1_1Client.html
[13:46] <ali1234> ever used libgloox?
[13:46] <MattJ> Yes
[13:47] <ali1234> so, Client has three constructors
[13:47] <ali1234> the code i'm using uses the second one, which uses a JID, and doesn't take a server ID
[13:47] <ali1234> so how does it know what server to connect to?
[13:47] <ali1234> does it just use the part of your jabber ID after the @?
[13:47] <MattJ> Yes
[13:47] <ali1234> cs that won't work for gmail
[13:48] <MattJ> Yes it will, it uses SRV records to find which host to connect to
[13:48] <ali1234> hmm. well, it doesn't work in practice
[13:48] <MattJ> which is the correct way to do it
[13:48] <ali1234> so the problem must be somewhere else
[13:48] <ali1234> how can i get some debugging out of this thing?
[13:48] <MattJ> The only time I've seen it fail is with broken home routers, which don't support SRV records
[13:48] <MattJ> Thankfully they're not very common, but they're /too/ common
[13:49] <ali1234> oh Azelphur was talking about SRV records the other day...
[13:49] <ali1234> so how do i check that?
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: dig -t SRV some_hostname
[13:49] <ali1234> um... and then how do i know if it worked?
[13:50] <ali1234> i did dig -t SRV gmail.com (the part of my ID after the @) but i don't see "talk.google.com" anywhere in that output
[13:50] <MattJ> ali1234: Try: dig +short +ttlid srv _xmpp-client._tcp.gmail.com.
[13:50] <czajkowski> hello thunder!
[13:50] <ali1234> ok *that* worked
[13:50] <ali1234> i dont use my router's dns anyway
[13:51] <MattJ> Right, that's what gloox should do when you give a gmail.com JID
[13:52] <MooDoo> czajkowski, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[13:52] <ali1234> ok, so it just starts up... and then nothing happens. i don't see the user come online
[13:52] <MattJ> ali1234: sent presence?
[13:52] <ali1234> dunno, i didn't write the code
[13:52] <ali1234> i'm just trying to make it work :)
[13:52] <MattJ> which code is it?
[13:52] <ali1234> jabber-terminal
[13:53] <hoover> cheers all
[13:53] <ali1234> it appears to hang at a DNS query
[13:54] <ali1234> oh no
[13:54] <ali1234> port 5222 - connect just hangs
[13:55] <MattJ> Which host is it connecting to?
[13:55] <ali1234> 74.125.230.150
[13:55] <ali1234> whch has no reverse dns
[13:55] <ali1234> and it timed out
[13:56] <MattJ> Looks like gmail.com
[13:58] <ali1234> it's none of the servers returned by the SRV
[13:58] <ali1234> yeha, it's gmail.com
[13:58] <ali1234> soooo..... what does this mean?
[13:59] <MattJ> Hmm, what version of gloox do you have?
[13:59] <ali1234> the one that's in natty
[14:00] <MattJ> jabber-terminal doesn't want to build with mine :/
[14:00] <MattJ> Hmm, ok
[14:00] <ali1234> !info libgloox8
[14:00] <lubotu3`> libgloox8 (source: gloox): C++ jabber/xmpp library. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1ubuntu2 (natty), package size 437 kB, installed size 1184 kB
[14:01] <ali1234> can i sidestep this for now by just manually specifying the server using the other Client constructor?
[14:02] <MattJ> Yeah, you can try
[14:03] <MattJ> libgloox8 won't work here, and I don't feel like compiling gloox from source right now
[14:05] <MattJ> Curious why it won't work, but my gloox hacking days are long past :)
[14:07] <ali1234> ok so the version of gloox in natty doesn't have the constructors that take separate args
[14:09] <ali1234> ok, gotta set everything manually
[14:09] <czajkowski> MooDoo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDl7S22fihk
[14:11] <MooDoo> czajkowski, ah lol don't ii feel silly :)
[14:21] <MooDoo> czajkowski, i never got to see davmor2 so i'm guessing i will end up meeting you first ;) lol
[14:22] <ali1234> success
[14:31] <andylockran> guys, regexp (never been that good with it)
[14:32] <andylockran> I want to match a line that ends with $ or &
[14:32] <andylockran> any reference someone could point me toward
[14:32] <Azelphur> (\$|&)$
[14:33] <jpds> andylockran: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0596520689/
[14:34]  * MartijnVdS overcooks some regular expressions
[14:35] <shauno> the sky's on fire.  it's the endtimes!
[14:37] <MooDoo> shauno, not again :)
[14:39]  * popey pokes hippychick with a stick
[14:43] <danfish> afternoon
[14:43] <MooDoo> howdy danfish
[14:45] <danfish> shauno: reminds me of the saying we had where I grew up "Red Sky in morning, sailor's warning, red sky at night, the kids have set the mill on fire"
[14:45] <danfish> lo MooDoo
[14:45] <hippychick> yikes
[14:47] <brobostigon> afternoonings danfish
[14:47] <danfish> o/
[14:47] <brobostigon> o/
[14:48]  * MooDoo is a gibbering wreck under the desk.....#scaredofthunderandlightning
[14:49] <daubers> \o/ New Phone!
[14:49] <brobostigon> daubers: which ?
[14:49] <danfish> MooDoo: it's only angry sky magic - a small goat sacrifice should appease the relevant gods ;)
[14:49] <selinuxium> daubers, which one?
[14:49] <daubers> Galaxy S II
[14:49] <brobostigon> cool.
[14:50] <danfish> ooohh - shiny :)
[14:50] <danfish> have you rooted it yet?
[14:50] <selinuxium> daubers, and...?
[14:50] <daubers> 'tis very swanky
[14:50]  * selinuxium is waiting for delivery of my S II
[14:51] <daubers> \o/ Need to start mucking around with the SDK now
[14:57] <directhex> android :(
[14:57] <MooDoo> danfish, i rooted my desire last week :)
[14:58] <daubers> \o/ Need to start mucking around with the SDK nowb3C38EbE
[14:58] <daubers> Urgh
[14:58] <daubers> Stupid computer
[15:04] <danfish> moo
[15:04] <danfish> oops
[15:04] <MooDoo> moo indeed
[15:04] <danfish> MooDoo: have you changed the ROM?
[15:05] <MooDoo> danfish, followed the instructions on the cyanogen site.....
[15:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - A new and possibly interesting IM client from Mozilla: http://trunk.planet.mozillamessaging.com/ Not tried it yet though...
[15:06] <directhex> still waiting for pre3. should have been announced by now though i think :/
[15:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> 1.0
[15:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> I like the idea of Twitter and IRC in the same app. Might cause all sorts of weird cross-postings ;-)
[15:07] <directhex> instantbird was terrible last i looked. xul is an awful platform for app development
[15:07] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, smuxi is an irc client which also support twitterings. you should use that.
[15:08] <popey> https://launchpad.net/schizobird
[15:08] <popey> anyone tried that?
[15:08] <popey> i note twitter.com/conscioususer uses it
[15:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Love the name popey - I am rather happy and pleased with Hotot for the time being.
[15:09] <selinuxium> I also love the name!
[15:10] <selinuxium> MooDoo, you got an SII too?
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is "a good thing" http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2082169/governments-technology-adviser-source-enthusiast
[15:10] <MooDoo> seeker, no just the desire
[15:10] <MooDoo> selinuxium, oops, no just got the desire
[15:11] <selinuxium> MooDoo, Okay... Is there a ROM for the SII already? /me goes googling..
[15:12] <MooDoo> selinuxium, can only find one for the S not the SII
[15:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey: "There are now over 500,000 Android devices activated every day, and it's growing at 4.4% w/w"
[15:13] <directhex> i don't want another android phone :/
[15:13] <MattJ> directhex: what would you get instead?
[15:14] <directhex> MattJ, i'm eagerly awaiting the pre 3
[15:17] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, No wonder Apple are trying every avenue of litigation...
[15:18] <Xei> тут на каком языке переписываются ???
[15:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh Russian.
[15:18] <Xei> rus ????
[15:18] <Xei> or eng ????
[15:19] <selinuxium> Xei, Eng
[15:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is Ubuntu UK (en_GB)
[15:19] <BigRedS> eng
[15:19] <jpds> !ru | Xei
[15:19] <lubotu3`> Xei: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[15:20] <Xei> lubotu3`: спасибочки за совет
[15:20] <selinuxium> jpds, You lurking... :)
[15:20] <jpds> это было легко.
[15:21] <KrisWillis> Hi guys, I've just swapped out 6GB of RAM for 12GB, and I can no longer get back into my OS, it just appears to freeze after the splash screen - I have a Windows 7 partition on the disk too that reboots after the splash screen - Any ideas?
[15:21] <jpds> selinuxium: As always.
[15:21] <KrisWillis> I have just successfully booted into a live CD ok, though
[15:21] <KrisWillis> and system monitor can see my new 12GB
[15:24] <KrisWillis> I ran memtest for 15 mins while downloading / burning the live CD, and that didn't find anything in admitidly a small amount of time
[15:25] <MattJ> 12GB?!
[15:25] <jpds> KrisWillis: Bad memory?
[15:26] <jpds> Oh wait, reread the last few lines. ;)
[15:26] <KrisWillis> Yeah, I have three monitors and 4 workspaces full of crap open most of the time, MattJ - my 6 was always getting full
[15:26] <MattJ> .
[15:26] <AlanBell> we have a server running cheerfully on 24GB
[15:27] <popey> i have a box with 4GB RAM that takes 8 hours to find an error in memtest
[15:27] <MattJ> AlanBell: server, sure
[15:28] <selinuxium> -:)
[15:28] <KrisWillis> Hmmm, after about an hour of rebooting, booting into live CDs, failing to boot into Win 7 - My Ubuntu partition has just managed to boot
[15:28] <KrisWillis> I wonder if it was a fuke... Rebooting...
[15:28] <ujjain> What do lollipops have to do with signs?
[15:29] <hamitron> they look similar?
[15:29] <ujjain> "At first I didn't beleive my dad stole from his work as a lollipop man, but all the signs were there".
[15:29] <KrisWillis> What *dont* they have to do with signs?!
[15:29] <ujjain> alollipop is something you lick?
[15:29] <daubers> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/09/article-1093185-02BEC595000005DC-504_468x383.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1093185/Council-Scrooges-ban-lollipop-mans-tinsel.html&h=383&w=468&sz=35&tbnid=1JVjBnzzcG26DM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=110&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlollipop%2Bman%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=lollipop+man&usg=__-6D6AUR8PDw5ul5iM6XdBxWpb5c=&sa=X&ei=TuUJToLyLo2xhAen4rT
[15:29] <daubers> 0Dw&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAQ&dur=240 <- lollipop man
[15:30] <jpds> ujjain: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lollipop_man
[15:30] <ujjain> ohhh, that's a lollipop man, I get it :D
[15:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: Every heard of bt.ly ;-)
[15:30] <KrisWillis> Just rebooted fine back into 10.10 - Maybe it was just having some teething issues with the new RAM :S
[15:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> KrisWillis: Your Win7 partition has been analysing and deciding the best way to fill up the 12GB with useless data.
[15:31] <jpds> TheOpenSourcerer: You support Libya?
[15:31] <ujjain> lol, I don't get any of these jokes
[15:32] <KrisWillis> TheOpenSourcerer: You're probably right - Just trying to boot back into that one now - Not too bothered about it though, I only rarely boot into Win7 to play Starcraft II
[15:32] <hamitron> Windows_Installation: Con...fused, can't compute route to slowdown
[15:32] <xapel> If I install Ubuntu over windows, will it keep any files? If so, which ones?
[15:32] <hamitron> ;/
[15:33] <AlanBell> xapel: no, they will all be removed, unless you ask it to install alongside
[15:33] <hamitron> KrisWillis: doesn't starcraft 2 work on wine?
[15:34] <KrisWillis> hamitron: No idea - my 3 monitors need Xinerama to work properly, so I get no 3D support anyway...
[15:34] <directhex> xapel, you can either *replace* windows, which means no files at all are kept, or install *alongside* windows, at which point windows is kept in its entireity and you can select to boot it from a menu at boot time
[15:34] <hamitron> KrisWillis: ok :/
[15:37] <xapel> directhex, AlanBell: Hi guys, I am quite familiar with dual boot. I seem to remember that the Ubuntu installer does keep files from My Documents if you install over Windows. Maybe it is for Wubi only, or perhaps it is only experimental.
[15:37] <asaaki> hello
[15:38] <AlanBell> it can keep /home if you install it over linux but if installing over windows it has to make a whole new filesystem
[15:38] <MooDoo> xapel, wubi would install along side windows but not need a seperate partition
[15:38] <asaaki> has anyone had any permission issues even though they're working as "root"?
[15:38] <asaaki> i just installed ubuntu 11.04
[15:39] <xapel> AlanBell, ok thanks.
[15:40] <popey> asaaki: can you be more specific?
[15:40] <asaaki> i'm trying to install a few tools
[15:40] <asaaki> but when i say "sudo make"
[15:40] <asaaki> or ./configure
[15:40] <asaaki> i get "Permission denied"
[15:41] <asaaki> i used wubi for ubuntu 11.04 on 64-bit windows machine
[15:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> asaaki: You shouldn't build code as root.
[15:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> "sudo make install" yes.
[15:41] <asaaki> oh..
[15:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> sudo make or sudo ./configure no.
[15:41] <asaaki> k i'll try as another user...
[15:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> But that isn't the issue you are suffering from.
[15:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just some advice.
[15:42] <popey> you're probably getting permission denied because you did "sudo tar zxvf foo.tgz"
[15:42] <popey> which unpacked it and made it all owned by root
[15:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> The normal route to build something from source is ./configure, make, make install
[15:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, popey is right.
[15:43] <AlanBell> but first, is there a packaged version you can use?
[15:43] <asaaki> yes i know that
[15:43] <asaaki> 's the normal way to do it
[15:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> the only command you should use as root is make install.
[15:43] <popey> asaaki: what are you building?
[15:43] <asaaki> actually the tools i got give instructions
[15:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> which will put the binaries in (hopefully) sane places.
[15:44] <asaaki> i'm building SRILM (for speech recognition)
[15:44] <asaaki> here are the build instructions:
[15:44] <popey> dont paste them here
[15:44] <popey> if you have a link, sure, do that
[15:44] <popey> but not the whole text
[15:45] <popey> or stick them in http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:45] <asaaki> k not pasting the whole text, but the sequence is this: 1. unpack, 2. set a varialbe in Makefile.PL, 3. make World
[15:46] <asaaki> GNU make is required... when i use the command "make", is that what I'm using?
[15:46] <popey> are you doing this on Ubuntu?
[15:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have you installed the package build-essential ?
[15:47] <asaaki> i just searched for build-essential in Ubuntu Software Center, and yes it's installed
[15:48] <asaaki> here's a link to what I'm trying to build: http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/download.html
[15:48] <AlanBell> asaaki: are you doing research into srilm?
[15:48] <asaaki> but that's just one of the tools, i have permission denied problems in the other tools as well, eg. ./configure gives "Permission denied"
[15:48] <asaaki> AlanBell, i'm researching using the tool, yes
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.speech.sri.com/pipermail/srilm-user/2010q2/000870.html
[15:49] <AlanBell> ok, there are some recognition libraries in the repos already
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Do you have the C shell installed? csh/tcsh?
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> See the next thread http://www.speech.sri.com/pipermail/srilm-user/2010q2/000871.html
[15:50] <asaaki> thanks TheOpenSourcerer, but yes I've seen that link, and I do have csh/tcsh installed, when i type "which csh" i get a path
[15:50] <asaaki> and i installed them myself too
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> where are you trying to run ./configure?
[15:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Which directory? And what is that directory's perms/owner
[15:52] <asaaki> i'm trying to run it for this tool: http://chasen.org/~taku/software/yamcha/
[15:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Where" not what. i.e. /home/asaaki/srilm or whatever
[15:53] <asaaki> all the tools are in /home/nlp/
[15:54] <asaaki> so i try /home/nlp/yamcha-0.33$ ./configure
[15:54] <AlanBell> are you logged in as "nlp"?
[15:54] <asaaki> i'm logged in as asaaki
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> what does ls -l /home/nlp say?
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> !pastebinit
[15:54] <lubotu3`> pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[15:55] <asaaki> i did ls -l /home/nlp, and i think i have all permissions, because for each folder i get : drwx------ 11
[15:55] <asaaki> i believe that's all the rights?
[15:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> No.
[15:56] <asaaki> but for the yamcha folder, i get : drwxr-xr-x 13 asaaki
[15:56] <asaaki> i did chmod 777 on yamcha
[15:56] <BigRedS> well, as long as you're the user who owns that directory you've full rights, but nobody else has any
[15:56] <asaaki> that's fine, i'm the only user on this machine
[15:57] <asaaki> ok i just did sudo chmod 777 on every single folder
[15:58] <AlanBell> ick
[15:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why?
[15:58]  * selinuxium cringes..
[15:58] <asaaki> um... to get all the possible rights so i can just build something?
[15:58] <asaaki> i mean everything in /home/nlp, but still no luck
[15:58] <AlanBell> I would do sudo chown -R asaaki: /home/nlp
[15:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> paste the output of ls -l when you are in /home/nlp/yamcha
[15:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> It might be that your files are not read/write or owned or executable...
[15:59] <asaaki> okay i just did what AlanBell said, chown
[16:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Use the http://paste.ubuntu.com
[16:00] <asaaki> the output of ls -l on yamcha is kind of long
[16:01] <asaaki> okay! i just pasted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/634345/
[16:01] <MooDoo> asaaki, pipe it to pastebinit
[16:01] <MooDoo> ahi'm too slow :)
[16:01] <asaaki> :)
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> None of the files that need to be are executable.
[16:01] <JGJones> ali1234, No I didn't complie jabber-terminal from source myself - is that what you're doing?
[16:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> -rw------- 1 asaaki asaaki 733171 2005-09-03 03:33 configure
[16:02] <asaaki> oh!
[16:02] <AlanBell> that has totally not been made 777
[16:02] <asaaki> what does it take to give them permissions?
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> I would unpack the tarball again.
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> only some files need to be executable.
[16:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> not all.
[16:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Your files are chmod 600 which is unusual
[16:03] <popey> the tarbal should unpack fine with the right perms
[16:03] <popey> if done in the right place with no messing with chmod/chown
[16:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> (16:02:14) TheOpenSourcerer: I would unpack the tarball again.
[16:03] <popey> indeed
[16:04] <asaaki> okay :) trying
[16:04] <popey> also, not sudo
[16:08] <asaaki> ok i just found the tarball again... kind of not that used to ubuntu..
[16:08] <asaaki> aha!
[16:08] <asaaki> yamcha's configuring now! :)
[16:09] <asaaki> merci
[16:09] <asaaki> i suppose i should do the same for the rest
[16:11] <ujjain> I worked in produce, which wasn't exactly rocket salad. < What does this mean?
[16:11] <bigcalm> Hehe
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> ujjain: it's a pun
[16:11] <jpds> ujjain: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?pid=6132#p6132
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> ujjain: (rocket science and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_(vegetable)
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> jpds: also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chaos :)
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> jpds: (http://www.spellingsociety.org/journals/j17/caos.php -- written by a Dutchman :P)
[16:14] <ujjain> uh, is produce dirty?
[16:14]  * jpds notes that he's not flying.
[16:14] <jpds> ujjain: No.
[16:14] <ujjain> I am confused, ^^ rocket science != rocket vegetable, on a farm,
[16:14] <popey> oh dear
[16:14] <popey> ok, "It's not rocket science" is a quip
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> ujjain: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/produce#Noun --> meaning 3
[16:14] <directhex> ujjain, something very complicated is described as "rocket science"
[16:14] <popey> one used to say "It's not hard!"
[16:15] <popey> "rocket salad" is something you eat, so could be considered "produce"
[16:15] <directhex> ujjain, something easy is "not rocket science"
[16:15] <popey> where "produce" is the aisle in the supermarket where you find salad
[16:15] <popey> ujjain: see also "it's not brain surgery"
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I ?
[16:16] <ujjain> right, I get it's not rocket science, brain surgury, htose require a big learning process
[16:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> And they wonder why it's so hard to get a computer to do proper speech...
[16:16] <popey> ujjain: it's humour
[16:16] <bigcalm> popey: was
[16:16] <popey> and now that we are explaining it, it is becoming less and less funny
[16:16] <popey> well, yes
[16:16] <bigcalm> :)
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: until we started butchering it? :)
[16:16] <bigcalm> Language is a bugger
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: in the Ender's Game sense? :P
[16:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> But watching the explanation is rather funny from where I'm sitting :-D
[16:17] <ujjain> thanks :)
[16:17] <jussi> you know, chicken ramen + mango chutney isnt that bad...
[16:17] <bigcalm> jussi: Sharwoods?
[16:17] <ujjain> I worked in a sweat shop, it was so-so. < how about this one?
[16:18] <jussi> err, maybe that was intended for elsewhere... but meh, works here as well
[16:18] <popey> ramen == supernoodels
[16:18] <ujjain> I don't get it either.
[16:18] <popey> ujjain: so sounds like sew
[16:18] <jussi> bigcalm: no
[16:18] <popey> sewing being something you do in a sweatshop
[16:18] <bigcalm> jussi: ah well :)
[16:18] <ujjain> ahh, I get it
[16:18] <ujjain> thanks
[16:18] <MooDoo> popey, captain picard to his seemstress......make it sew :)
[16:18] <jussi> bigcalm: Im not UK based ;)
[16:19] <bigcalm> jussi: fair enough
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: and to his girlfriend: Engage!
[16:19] <popey> http://e.asset.soup.io/asset/2083/7342_6891_400.jpeg
[16:19] <popey> made me smile
[16:20] <ujjain> link not working for me.
[16:20] <ujjain> "works now, refresh
[16:20] <jpds> popey: Believers going to believe.
[16:20] <popey> haha
[16:21] <popey> i want that haters gonna hate animation with that please
[16:21] <popey> make it so jpds
[16:21] <popey> chop chop
[16:21] <ujjain> Ryo++
[16:21] <MooDoo> lol
[16:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Did you see this one? http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/dear_emma_b.php
[16:23] <popey> ooo a picture of Mr Gumby!
[16:24] <ujjain> I have a last one I don't get. I used to be a pantel horse, but I quit while I was ahead"
[16:24] <ujjain> Some play on panty hose maybe? :P
[16:24] <BigRedS> no, panto horse
[16:24] <BigRedS> as in a pantomime, they're made up of two people, one is the head end, the other the back end
[16:24] <BigRedS> it's a pun on 'ahead' versus 'a head'
[16:25] <ujjain> ahhhh hehe t
[16:25] <ujjain> thanks :p
[16:27] <BigRedS> haha, no probs
[16:28] <popey> nice
[16:29] <jpds> popey: I'm sorry, I don't have PhotoShop.
[16:42] <popey> \o/ podcast recording night
[16:42] <popey> no live show
[16:44] <MooDoo> you ought to stream it via bambuser one night :)
[16:48] <AlanBell> http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2011/06/uk-shakes-dust-off-open-source.html stuff I am doing tomorrow has been leaked to the press O_o
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> must be important then, if it's being leaked :)
[16:49] <MooDoo> leaked = deliberatly passed on right?
[16:51] <AlanBell> yeah, but not by me
[16:52] <AlanBell> don't expect articles about "the wet-ink proposal" when I just printed it out
[16:54] <Azelphur> when you put a hard drive into a different computer, the network interface names get borked (like eth0 becomes eth1) any idea how to fix it?
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in /etc/udev/rules.d/ there's "70-persistent-net.rules"
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: remove that and it'll reset itself
[16:56] <Azelphur> ty, that's what I was looking for :)
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it gets written by a persistent-net.rules file in /etc/udev/
[17:00] <asaaki> hi guys, i unpacked the tarballs again and everything's working fine and dandy, at least as far as permissions are concerned
[17:00] <asaaki> BUT, during some builds I'm getting this: cc1plus: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set
[17:00] <asaaki> i downloaded the i386 iso
[17:01] <asaaki> wouldn't that be the right one? i'm on a 64-bit windows machine and got ubuntu from wubi
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> Indeed, that wouldn't be the right iso
[17:04] <asaaki> no? oh dear... which one then
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> For 64-bit support  you need the 64-bit version of Ubuntu
[17:04] <asaaki> is that i686?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> "amd64" it's called (but it works on intel 64-bit CPUs as well)
[17:04] <asaaki> i did "uname -a", and got this:
[17:05] <asaaki> Linux ubuntu 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> hm, that's the right one
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> x86_64
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: what does "lsb_release -a" say?
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: (please use a pastebin)
[17:08] <asaaki> doesn't say a lot: http://pastebin.com/BZQKYBkX
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> hm.
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> mine says something about architecture
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> let me think..
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: file /bin/ls
[17:09] <asaaki> /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> so you're already running the 64-bit version of Ubuntu
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> what are you trying to do, that gives that error?
[17:11] <asaaki> i actually had to edit a makefile according to my platform... hold on let me paste that
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> no earlier
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> what are you trying to do :)
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> ("bigger picture")
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> I didn't see your earlier questions/answers
[17:12] <asaaki> oh... i've been trying to build some tools on ubuntu
[17:12] <asaaki> earlier there were problems with permissions
[17:12] <asaaki> but you guys helped out so that's out of the way
[17:13] <asaaki> but now in building, i have to modify a makefile for one of the tools according to my machine
[17:13] <bigcalm_> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: what kind of tools?
[17:14] <asaaki> speech recognition and language model research stuff
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_: calm! :)
[17:14] <asaaki> the tool i'm trying to build right now is: http://www.speech.sri.com/projects/srilm/download.html
[17:15] <asaaki> i just pasted the file that i edited (to be used in building) over here: http://pastebin.com/Djk8HXSk
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: so you made a common/Makefile.machine.i686 or something?
[17:15] <asaaki> but maybe i've got some variables wrong?
[17:16] <asaaki> yeah that's the one - i just pasted Makefile.machine.i386-ubuntu
[17:16] <Multivitamin_> guys, what was the word you put in after slash to change your nickname?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> Multivitamin_: /nick
[17:16] <Multivitamin_> thanks: )
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: why must they make it so hard :)
[17:17] <asaaki> MartijVdS: wish i knew
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: I think you need the "i686-linux" one, and use the "make MACHINE_TYPE=i686-m64 World" command line
[17:17] <asaaki> MartijnVdS: k thanks! i'll try
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: just guessing from the INSTALL file here :)
[17:20] <asaaki> MartijnVdS: why yes! i thought i shouldn't be using that since what i downloaded was i386
[17:20] <asaaki> but this is building! :D
[17:21] <asaaki> MartijnVdS: it stops at this though: /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: fatal error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
[17:22] <asaaki> "which gnu" gives nothing, but gnu doesn't seem to be anything that i can sudo get-apt install either
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: it might be compiling for 32 bits, or you don't have headers installed
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: install "apt-file", run "apt-file update", then "apt-file search gnu/stubs-32.h"
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> that should show you which package it's in
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> (if any)
[17:25] <asaaki> ok!
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> could happen more than once, headers for different libraries are in different packages
[17:25] <asaaki> oh
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> but eventually you should be able to finish the compile
[17:25] <asaaki> :)
[17:26] <asaaki> so you're saying i might have to do apt-file with every missing .h ?
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> yes
[17:27] <asaaki> ah ok
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> and depending on how many dependencies they have, that could take a while
[17:27] <asaaki> yep, it's half past midnight here :)
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> ooh, so you have the entire night to get it right ;)
[17:28] <asaaki> indeed i do :)
[17:30]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for a thunderstorm to hit
[17:50] <bigcalm[tablet]> Vm are still being pants. So now have tablet tethered to phone for a bit of fun
[17:50]  * bigcalm[tablet] smells coffee
[17:52] <BigRedS> vm being pants is a constant, I'd not expect it to change any time soon
[17:53] <bigcalm[tablet]> Well, my connection justcame back. Doubt it will stay though
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> anyone interested in 2x 256MB PC2100 sticks of RAM?
[17:56] <bigcalm[tablet]> Smooth off the edges and make yourself some keyfobs
[17:56]  * shauno looks @ hamitron 
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm[tablet]: these are HUGE
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm[tablet]: if you've played Sam & Max (the old 90s video game one), you'll know the size :)
[18:02] <asaaki> okay apt-file update does take a while. after apparently receiving the full 18.3 M, it doesn't stop, it just keeps at it, so i Ctrl+C to stop it and ran apt-file search, but nothing happens
[18:02] <bigcalm[tablet]> Cant say that I have sadly
[18:03] <bigcalm[tablet]> asaaki: there will be a lock file you will have to remove as you intrupted apt
[18:04] <asaaki> oh...how can i unlock it? also, however long does the apt work? i guess it also depends on my connection, which is slow
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm[tablet]: no that'll be fine
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: youll have to re-run apt-file update
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: it takes a while to finish
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> but it will, eventually, finish
[18:05] <asaaki> :)
[18:05] <asaaki> what does it do though, once it's run
[18:05] <bigcalm[tablet]> Oh bugger, it has gone 6pm. Late for dog walking
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: it downloads a list of all files in all packages
[18:06] <vikfreeze> hy
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: and puts them in an internal database for easy searching
[18:06] <asaaki> how can i know when it's finished, because it seems to finish 18.3 M, and then start on another cycle
[18:06] <vikfreeze> can anyone give me some help with samba shares?
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: it downloads one "Contents" file for each part of /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: some larger, some smaller
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> asaaki: could be 10-20 files
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> on a "normal" install
[18:07] <asaaki> oh okay i get it
[18:12] <vikfreeze> does anyone here have any experience with samba on lucid?
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> vikfreeze: client or server?
[18:14] <vikfreeze> in my case both
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> it's not very different from samba on other versions
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> do you have a specific problem?
[18:15] <vikfreeze> i have a client and a host but no matthere what config the mount has no write permissions
[18:16] <vikfreeze> i can mount the share but any write operation is denied even sudo operations
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> vikfreeze: and does the user you're using have write access on the server side?
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> in the directory you're trying to write to?
[18:16] <vikfreeze> permission on the system are correct
[18:17] <vikfreeze> i even made everything 777 still nothing
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> don't make everything 777
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> that's not useful
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea, you might get a quicker answer if you ask on a samba-specific channel
[18:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> vikfreeze: does the user exist in smbpasswd? Or are you trying to browse/mount as a guest?
[18:19] <vikfreeze> mabe im doing something wrong here, i have the server witch mounts the local resource on witch the user homes are located and shares it via samba witch is configured with ldap
[18:19]  * TheOpenSourcerer runs away at the sight of ldap.
[18:20] <vikfreeze> everything works fine on the server but not in the mounts, more specificaly write denial only ocures in the mounted directory, the rest of the system is fine
[18:48] <asaaki> MartijnVdS: thanks! finally a successful build (i hope! haven't tested yet). but i found this, quicker search in place of apt-file http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
[18:49] <asaaki> MartijnVdS: so i'm getting some sleep now :)
[18:56] <AlanBell> asaaki: would be interested to know how you get on with speech recognition
[18:58] <asaaki> AlanBell: sure. do you work in anything related?
[19:46] <Myrtti>                    *sigh*
[19:50]  * popey hugs Myrtti 
[19:51] <hamitron> shauno: ?
[19:51] <hamitron> good looking am I not? ;)
[19:52] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:00] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:00] <MooDoo> hi alan
[20:02] <AlanBell> meeting about to start in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[20:02] <brobostigon> oh,yes, minute.
[20:12] <daubers> lo
[21:04] <dimas_> could someone tell me how to add a repository in synaptic?
[21:05] <brobostigon> dimas_: software sources.
[21:06] <dimas_> brobostigon yes but i dont understand how the git thing works
[21:06] <dimas_> or is it something different?
[21:07] <brobostigon> dimas_: you need to use git, to download from a gitrepo, asprosumablythe stuff inthe git repo needs to be compiled from source.
[21:07] <brobostigon> !git
[21:07] <lubotu3`> git is a distributed revision control/software code management project created by Linus Torvalds. For more information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software)
[21:07] <brobostigon> ie, you need a/the git cient, to download from git repo.
[21:08] <brobostigon> you cant use it, edirectly as apt repo.
[21:08] <dimas_> is it possible that the repo miss a data?
[21:08] <brobostigon> ?
[21:08] <brobostigon> i dont understand youre question.
[21:09] <dimas_> i did tryed to install the application from the source project page and in the middle i get a error saying i am missing a file
[21:09] <dimas_> donwloading from a git
[21:10] <brobostigon> what did it say was missing?
[21:10] <dimas_> wow...i dont remember anymore but it has to be to an automaking or something like that
[21:11] <brobostigon> i cant really tell you, how to complete it, unless you can tellme what is/was missing. did you have allthe build tools, like gcc etc ?
[21:12] <dimas_> i just fallow the instructions on the page...they tell the dependencies that i need to install
[21:13] <brobostigon> !info build-essential
[21:13] <lubotu3`> build-essential (source: build-essential): Informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.5ubuntu1 (natty), package size 5 kB, installed size 48 kB
[21:13] <brobostigon> ok.
[21:14] <dimas_> brobostigon i am just trying to install a radio station for my girlfriend and now i look like a moron..lol
[21:15] <dimas_> could you help me with this?
[21:15] <dimas_> i am trying to install idjc
[21:15] <brobostigon> dimas_: what is the software tou are trying to compile ?
[21:15] <brobostigon> ok, minute.
[21:16] <dimas_> idjc-0.8.4 come with ubuntu 11.04 but i am having problems to connect to the jack server...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1792197&highlight=idjc+unable+connect+jack+server
[21:16] <brobostigon> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=idjc&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[21:17] <brobostigon> it is there inthe repos.
[21:17] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get install idjc
[21:18] <brobostigon> i knownothing, about jack, not aclue, i cant help with that one.
[21:23] <dimas_> brobostigon thank you
[21:23] <brobostigon> dimas_: i would wait eround, there are people here, who do know about jack.
[21:23] <dimas_> really
[21:23] <dimas_> oke
[21:23] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:33] <brobostigon> within, androids service manegement, is google messaging service, inclusive of the mms service ?
[22:00] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076
[22:01] <AlanBell> if people would like to like that that would be good
[22:01] <AlanBell> 25 people and it can have a vanity URL which is apparantly quite the thing to have
[22:07] <brunogirin> that's 2 of us so far, just 23 to go!
[22:22] <oopsies> i seemed to have installed, but there are no users, how can I create a user if I have no access rights? lol
[22:23] <AlanBell> oopsies: normally you create a user as part of the install process
[22:23] <oopsies> obviously, but i missed it out somehow
[22:24] <oopsies> can I create users using passwd file, or would that be too easy?
[22:25] <AlanBell> did you just go through the desktop install?
[22:25] <AlanBell> or the alternate CD or server or something
[22:26] <oopsies> network install
[22:28] <AlanBell> ok, do you think it completed?
[22:28] <AlanBell> you can use adduser to create a user if you can get in as root
[22:28] <oopsies> i get to a login screen, so i think its well enough, there are just no users
[22:28] <AlanBell> which you can do from the grub menu if you can get there
[22:29] <oopsies> there are no root by default, surely
[22:29] <AlanBell> when you boot if you hold shift you can get to the grub menu
[22:29] <AlanBell> if you pick a recovery kernel option it will go to another menu
[22:29] <AlanBell> from there you can drop to a single user root shell
[22:30] <AlanBell> and then you can "adduser oopsies"
[22:30] <AlanBell> and create yourself
[22:30] <oopsies> sure thing, I forgot about that actually :)
[22:30] <oopsies> haha I need a spank
[22:30] <AlanBell> do ls /home/ first to see if it created your home dir
[22:31] <Rafz> g'day
[22:31] <AlanBell> o/ Rafz
[22:31] <oopsies> AlanBell: yes :) cheers
[22:35]  * Rafz^ pats self on back
[22:35] <Rafz^> managed to figure out how to get here without using browser!
[22:37] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:38] <oopsies> night night
[22:38] <brobostigon> night oopsies