[01:15] <orangeninja> I installed xubuntu on an older p4 desktop I have and was wonddering how do I get it to see the slave HD?
[01:16] <Unit193> It should just mount it. What FS type? sudo blkid
[01:17] <orangeninja> I think it was NTFS before.... Does linux even support NTFS?
[01:17] <Unit193> And now I'm ticked because my main flash was (barely) dban'd
[01:17] <Unit193> orangeninja: NTFS-3g
[01:17] <orangeninja> So that might be why I dont see it huh?
[01:18] <Unit193> What does   sudo blkid   give you?
[01:18] <orangeninja> hmmm let me try it, going into computer room now...
[01:20] <orangeninja> booting it up now
[01:22] <orangeninja> sda1 ext4 sda5 swap  sdb1 type ntfs
[01:24] <Unit193> Can you pastebin it? (Or use pastebinit ?)
[01:24] <orangeninja> yep prob
[01:27]  * wrst never thought he would find himself bragging on kde... but he does
[01:27] <Unit193> KDE = Kubuntu?
[01:27] <orangeninja> http://pastebin.com/9iviNTmZ
[01:28] <wrst> Unit193: yuck no, on arch
[01:28] <wrst> kubuntu is the absolute worst kde distro out there
[01:28]  * wrst is in the wrong place to say that probably
[01:28] <wrst> Unit193: i'm running kde and gnome 3 and they work well together
[01:29] <Unit193> wrst: Just don't go to #kubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu and say that...
[01:30] <wrst> Unit193: no... but it really is a sorry implementation, mageia/mandriva is great, arch is great and its totally vanilla but somehow they make it slow and awful
[01:30] <wrst> in kubuntu
[01:30] <Unit193> When was the last time you tried it? (Not that I am a big fan...)
[01:30] <wrst> 11.04
[01:31] <Unit193> Mka
[01:31] <wrst> its slow the effects and graphics are just not right on any of my hardware short of my sli desktop
[01:31] <wrst> i'm not a huge kde fan but 4.6 is very good
[01:31] <Unit193> orangeninja: I'm not exactly sure it's not automounting... Can you open gigolo?
[01:32] <orangeninja> what is gigolo?
[01:33] <Unit193> Menu/Rat > System > gigolo
[01:33] <orangeninja> found it
[01:34] <orangeninja> it shows up there.... sorry I'm still a newb
[01:34] <Unit193> Double click it
[01:34] <Unit193> orangeninja: So am I
[01:35] <orangeninja> yeah I can see the files on it.... I guess I thiought it would show up in the "Places" area
[01:36] <wrst> Unit193: I was trying to figure out what application Rat was... :)
[01:36] <wrst> its been a while since I've used xfce
[01:36] <Unit193> I like Xubuntu...
[01:36] <wrst> Unit193: I've just never used it
[01:36] <Unit193> And Lubuntu. So I'm not exactly sure what I will put on this one...
[01:37] <wrst> probably a really good alternate for those who are not unity fans
[01:37] <wrst> yes lubuntu is excellent
[01:37] <Unit193> The current OS on it is DBAN
[01:37] <Unit193> :D
[01:38] <orangeninja> I have only had it for a day but it is pretty clean.
[01:46] <wrst> orangeninja: I might give it a try again, I love the ubuntu base, but I don't love unity so much :)
[01:46]  * Unit193 Doesn't like Unity (Can't say for a fact) and wasn't too fond of gnome
[01:47] <Unit193> XFCE and LXDE are just fine though
[01:49] <wrst> Unit193: I really like gnome and gnome 3/shell but... unity, I don't care for it at all
[01:52] <Unit193> wrst: Whatever works for you! I don't have to like what you use :P (To be fair, it's not the worst)
[01:52] <wrst> ha ha oh yeah Unit193 :)
[01:53] <wrst> Unit193: I prefer a rather full featured desktop, i'm not much on going the openbox, rat poison etc route
[01:53] <Unit193> wrst: I have Xubuntu, Lubuntu, a dualboot of Kubuntu (NEVER used...) and a few VMs (One is built from mini and is openbox)
[01:54] <wrst> I have tried to like kubuntu but it really stinks
[01:55] <Unit193> I'm not going to be using it... But I do like the openbox one...
[01:55] <wrst> when I open the kickoff menu on kubuntu its all choppy and just really not smoothe, on everything else its smoothe, but its the same way on debian also
[01:55] <wrst> openbox looks like something I would like to mess with just don't have the time
[01:56] <Unit193> Did you see my screenshots? (And I am by far not the best person to make one...)
[01:56] <wrst> no I haven't... but would love to!
[01:57] <Unit193> I only have a few, and I have changed it a little since then...
[01:59] <Unit193> http://imgur.com/H67hc - http://imgur.com/0BiKH - http://imgur.com/UzDqc   Like I said, not the best... (And I did change some :P )
[02:00] <wrst> nice Unit193
[02:43] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i've captured the latest big cat from cupertino
[02:54] <wrst> ahh pace_t_zulu, that's a mac testing release if I'm not mistaken?
[02:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: pm
[03:02] <linuxman410> anyone here
[03:06] <wrst> nope :P
[03:06] <wrst> how are you doing linuxman410
[03:06] <linuxman410> wrst nothing much what are you doing
[03:07] <wrst> nothing getting ready to head to bed in a few
[03:07] <wrst> linuxman410: I am updating the 11.10 alpha and seeing whats going on
[03:07] <wrst> oneric is that right?
[03:07] <Unit193> wrst: May not look much different
[03:07] <Unit193> http://i.imgur.com/iHokj.png
[03:08] <linuxman410> wrst i hate to say it but i would not reccomend ubuntu to anyone anymore
[03:08] <Unit193> Not even L/X?
[03:08] <Unit193> linuxman410: ^^
[03:08] <wrst> linuxman410: just because of unity?
[03:09] <wrst> nice Unit193 thats a nice looking desktop
[03:09] <linuxman410> Unit193 what is that screenshot from
[03:09] <Unit193> Ubuntu mini.iso ^_^
[03:10] <linuxman410> Unit193 where did you get that
[03:10] <Unit193> linuxman410: You didn't hear it from me, but fluxbuntu may very well move to debian
[03:10] <Unit193> linuxman410: I added programs/configured everything 'til I liked it
[03:10] <Unit193> (And it's not done yet...)
[03:10] <wrst> linuxman410: your disdain for ubuntu because of unity?
[03:10] <Unit193> It's using LightDM too ;)
[03:11] <linuxman410> wrst  i do not like where ubuntu is headed there are starting to act like windows release a version buy a new computer
[03:12] <Unit193> linuxman410: I've seen you in Lubuntu, what's wrong with that one?
[03:12] <wrst> well I don't know if its that bad but to run gnome or kde you do need more than 256MB of ram
[03:13] <linuxman410> Unit193 nothing wrong with lubuntu those guys have their head on straight
[03:13] <linuxman410> wrst to run unity you need at least 1 gig of ram
[03:14] <linuxman410> then it runs slow
[03:14] <wrst> linuxman410: i'm sure gnome shell probably needs that
[03:15] <linuxman410> wrst that is why i am looking into lighter versions like lxde fluxbox and openbox
[03:15] <wrst> yeah but I don't think that's really ubuntu's fault its just sorta the way things are going
[03:16] <wrst> but if you wanta  light system go with what Unit193 did the mini.iso or debian or arch or something you kinda build as you go
[03:17] <linuxman410> wrst where do you get the mini iso
[03:17] <wrst> not for sure... better ask Unit193 for that one :)
[03:17] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[03:17] <linuxman410> Unit193 where is the mini iso
[03:18] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10950331#post10950331 Also take a look at that
[03:19] <Unit193> I could give you my dpkg selections ;)
[03:25] <Unit193> Still not the best login: http://i.imgur.com/oAMrR.png
[03:29] <linuxman410> Unit193 do i choose second choice on mini iso
[03:29] <Unit193> Install from commandline
[03:30] <linuxman410> Unit193 use second one that says commandline install
[03:32] <Unit193> linuxman410: Yep, that's basically what I just said
[03:43] <linuxman410> Unit193 i choose expert commandline install only one that would work
[13:13] <vychune> o/
[15:29] <electricus> here we go:  battle of the 'clouds'...  http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/28/microsoft-challenges-google-embraces-cloud-computing/
[15:30] <electricus> if M$ version involves ie, they have a loooong way to go  .. haha
[15:30] <electricus> not even thinkable imo
[15:31] <electricus> but because of the masses and their love of ie.. could this be the re-birth of ie?  LOL
[16:50] <pace_t_zulu> hmmm ... where is wrst
[17:53] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: wrst is hiding behind wrst_
[17:55] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that sneaky bastard
[17:55] <cyberanger> he could be a little sneakier though
[17:55]  * cyberanger knows he can be a real sneaky bugger
[17:57] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: seems I'm holding to the free tier, but my usage is equalling linode in cost
[17:58] <cyberanger> so next year I'll want to migrate back
[17:58] <cyberanger> (if I can't figure out why the difference in usage)
[18:03] <vychune> o/
=== wrst_ is now known as wrst
[22:14] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: something funny happened to my cloud deployment
[22:16] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: really, what
[22:16] <Unit193> Alrighty http://www.vincenzolarosa.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Windows-vs-Linux.jpg
[22:17] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: not sure... but you'll probably notice i was offline for a while ... and when i was back on i had the '_' appended
[22:17] <vychune> o/
[22:17] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: could have just been the connection between the cloud deployment and the irc server ... on of those netsplits
[22:18] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: ah, only noticed a fairly big netsplit
[22:18] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i guess quassel core wasn't up to it
[22:20] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you were'nt the only user, it looks like an irc split, not you splitting off of irc
[22:38] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i just don't like seeing that i disconnected
[23:14] <pace_t_zulu> anyone else a google apps user?
[23:18] <wrst> I have used them pace_t_zulu_ can't say I'm a big-time user
[23:25] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I have used it
[23:28] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: so i have one of my google apps account setup as a google account as well
[23:28] <pace_t_zulu> but they failed to account for a critical detail in the migration process... which affects me directly
[23:33] <cyberanger> that doesn't sound like a fun evening