[03:46] <GridCube> ochosi is not here correct? but he reads later? i have a question regarding greybird, on xfce4-terminal the bars look different http://imagebin.org/160337
[03:47] <GridCube> i don't know if this is intented or not
[04:00] <charlie-tca> GridCube: yes, just leave your question here, ochosi will read the backlog, if you start with his nick
[04:00] <GridCube> :)
[04:01] <charlie-tca> Most of us will check the backlog, if addressed specifically
[04:01] <GridCube> :D ok
[04:02] <GridCube> thats why i choosed to post, because else i would forgot about it
[08:04] <Unit193> charlie-tca, et all: I know this is kind of out there, what would be the chance of using PCManFM? (as alt or default) as it has some really nice features over Thunar
[09:26] <mr_pouit> when we change thunar for pcmanfm we'll also rename xubuntu to lubuntu
[09:26] <mr_pouit> oh, wait
[09:27] <mr_pouit> so, zero chance ;-)
[09:28] <Unit193> I didn't think there was, it's just got a few features I'm looking for (But if we can add them ;) )
[09:40] <Unit193> I should probably say that I was looking at having the address bar and a menu option to open as root or in terminal...
[09:41] <mr_pouit> Unit193: you can "open a terminal here" in the context menu
[09:41] <mr_pouit> so you can also add a smilar action for "open as root"
[09:46] <Unit193> mr_pouit: Oddly, when I use gigolo to open a folder, I don't have the terminal option anymore (And I can cd to it with the same user)
[09:50] <Unit193> Anywho, it's almost 5am and I still need some sleep
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Anyone testing the images today/yesterday should be updating the chart, please. http://2tu.us/3dmh
[15:21] <GridCube> :D testing alternate x86
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Lost the Xubuntu session on the images again
[17:18] <charlie-tca> it goes to Xfce session even if Xubuntu session is selected
[17:18] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: ^ ^ 
[18:05] <GridCube> charlie-tca, what's the default media player on 11.04/10? parole?
[18:06] <charlie-tca> parole
[18:06] <charlie-tca> and gmusicbrowser
[18:06] <GridCube> is there a ppa for it to 10.04?
[18:08] <GridCube> im searching for it, its just that exaile doesnt let me save music lists on m3u or lst, or whatever, and audacious doesnt allow drag and drop, for now i just love Decibel-audio-player, but then again it neither understand lists
[18:09] <charlie-tca> No, I don't believe there is
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Why are you running 10.04?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> upgrade to something better?
[18:09] <GridCube> XD jeje, parole and probation administration > ppa 
[18:09] <GridCube> because its lts?
[18:10] <charlie-tca> Ah, then you get to put up with LTS not having parole ;)
[18:10] <GridCube> and because i have installed it a week before 11.04 went live and i did not feel like changing it
[18:10] <GridCube> had*
[18:10] <charlie-tca> I think it was very unstable at that point in time
[18:10] <charlie-tca> We put parole in 10.10, too
[18:11] <charlie-tca> But I don't think it was ready for use in 10.04
[18:11] <GridCube> mmm does it use media lists?
[18:11] <charlie-tca> I have no idea. I don't do enough with music to know much 
[18:12] <charlie-tca> I seem to watch a video every six months, though. I also play at least one song on one cd every six months
[18:12] <GridCube> XD
[18:12] <charlie-tca> Sometimes I even play cd's for beta testing
[18:13] <GridCube> we do listen lots of music, my brother and I, so we like to have our lists
[18:29] <GridCube> D: oh great the update manager is updating the kernel
[18:29] <GridCube> shouldn't that be on the latest image? the latest kernel?
[18:31] <ochosi> GridCube: about the terminal, it's funny you asked that because i just commited a few changes to the terminal style
[18:31] <ochosi> and yes, i'm aware of the tab-problem
[18:31] <ochosi> but i'm not sure it's really solvable in a satisfactory way
[18:31] <GridCube> :D
[18:32] <GridCube> yes i was about to say that too, the alt-tab looks funny
[18:32] <ochosi> alt-tab?
[18:32] <ochosi> you mean the window-switcher?
[18:32] <GridCube> yes
[18:32] <GridCube> i guess
[18:33] <ochosi> how does it look funny?
[18:33] <GridCube> screenshoting
[18:33] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/160417
[18:34] <ochosi> i mean i know how it looks, but in what respect funny?
[18:34] <GridCube> its not in the same grey style, its kind of violet or something
[18:34] <GridCube> which is weird
[18:34] <ochosi> it's greyblue or something, yes
[18:34] <ochosi> it's similar to the selection-style
[18:34] <ochosi> so not really entirely random
[18:35] <ochosi> but since we changed the selection-style, i might change that as well
[18:35] <ochosi> maybe darken it to black
[18:35] <ochosi> but i'm not entirely sure
[18:35] <GridCube> selection.. i see
[18:35] <ochosi> if you wanna see what dark looks like you can check elementary's gtk, i did their window-switcher in black
[18:45] <ochosi> GridCube: i'm also still considering a black panel, at least for personal use: http://imagebin.org/160421
[18:49] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i guess you're not a fan of that screenshot ^ , hm? ;)
[18:55] <GridCube> oh, the terminal bars are desinged to be used whit a black terminal XD
[18:56] <GridCube> i understend now
[18:56] <GridCube> thats why it looked weird
[18:57] <ochosi> yeah, i fixed the scrollbars
[18:57] <ochosi> but i didn't fix the tab/notebook-style of the terms yet
[18:57] <GridCube> i was wondering if it could be made it to be all grey in the same style than the rest of the window :^P
[18:58] <ochosi> what could be made grey?
[18:58] <ochosi> the terminal?
[18:58] <GridCube> the terminal yes
[18:58] <ochosi> hm, not sure grey would look very nice
[18:58] <ochosi> i think it would look rather insensitive
[18:58] <GridCube> in the same grey degradé
[18:58] <ochosi> because usually you don't write into the grey area
[18:58] <ochosi> or "background-area"
[18:58] <GridCube> true that
[18:59] <ochosi> we considered white/bright a while ago
[18:59] <ochosi> but never pulled it off
[19:00] <GridCube> no i understend now, the bar is meant to be used whit a black terminal, if you change it to other color it wont work
[19:00] <ochosi> obviously the scrollbar would have to be changed as well, yeah
[19:00] <ochosi> but that's not really a big deal tbh
[19:00] <ochosi> more a question of what we want
[19:01] <GridCube> cant it dinamycally change whit the main color choosed?
[19:02] <GridCube> thats ridicully complex, nevermind
[19:04] <ochosi> i don't think that's possible in gtk2 at all
[19:04] <ochosi> but they planned stuff like that for gtk3
[19:04] <ochosi> e.g. the icons in the gnome-panel (symbolic icons) change with the bg-color
[19:04] <ochosi> that's why they have to be svg and monochrome
[19:04] <GridCube> i see
[19:05] <GridCube> then why don't just make it like the rest of the system?
[19:05] <GridCube> its funny that that only bar is different
[19:07] <ochosi> i wanted it to blend in with the terminal
[19:07] <GridCube> i see
[19:07] <ochosi> in the older greybird it made even more sense
[19:07] <ochosi> because the scrollbar always blended in
[19:07] <ochosi> and i guess another reason was "because i can" :)
[19:07] <GridCube> XD
[19:08] <GridCube> ok it was my faul for changing the terminal colors :P
[19:08] <ochosi> ;)
[19:08] <ochosi> that's problematic, i know
[19:08] <ochosi> i at first wanted to change the term bg-color to white
[19:08] <ochosi> but many people opposed, so we ended up keeping what we had
[19:08] <GridCube> i propose orange whit green font
[19:08] <GridCube> XD
[19:10] <ochosi> lol
[19:18] <GridCube> charlie-tca, after the update of today's image the trash folder icon from the desktop dissapeared, don't know if thats important
[19:18] <ochosi> bbl
[19:19] <GridCube> :D
[21:42] <charlie-tca> ochosi: if you want black panels, why aren't you modifying bluebird, which had them, instead of something that did not start dark
[21:42] <charlie-tca> greybird was supposed to be lighter, not a match for dark themes
[21:43] <charlie-tca> GridCube: don't know anything about a trash can, I don't have one in Oneiric, didn't know we should have one. I kind of don't like having it, though
[21:43] <knome> charlie-tca, i agree with ochosi that a darker panel does look better in greybird as well. i don't see this issue as changing the direction of the theme, only an improvement to the current style.
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Well, I guess I can go back to clearlooks then. I can't use black panels anymore then I can use white text on black background
[21:45] <charlie-tca> The darker the panel, the lower the accessibility level goes
[21:45] <knome> i thought ochosi asked you if the latest version was fine, and you said yes?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> discussion here earlier today, thinking about making panels black
[21:46] <knome> well, i don't agree making the panels *black*
[21:47] <charlie-tca> 11:45:24      ochosi | GridCube: i'm also still considering a     
[21:47] <charlie-tca>                      | black panel, at least for personal use:    
[21:47] <charlie-tca>                      | http://imagebin.org/160421                 
[21:47] <charlie-tca> 11:49:35      ochosi | charlie-tca: i guess you're not a fan of   
[21:47] <charlie-tca>                      | that screenshot ^ , hm? ;)                 
[21:48] <knome> "at least for personal use"
[21:49] <knome> answer to "why not edit bluebird": he probably likes greybird more :)
[21:57] <ochosi> charlie-tca: this panel was/is just for fun, so no worries, didn't commit it or anything
[21:58] <charlie-tca> okay, no black backgrounds anywhere?
[21:58] <ochosi> nope
[21:58]  * charlie-tca relaxes again
[21:58] <ochosi> the only thing i'm thinking about atm is darkening the window-switcher (alt+tab) a bit
[21:58]  * charlie-tca must now to kick the heart again, make it calm down
[21:59] <ochosi> don't worry too much, i hardly do anything dramatic or drastic without talking to people ;)
[22:03] <charlie-tca> That is true. 
[22:11] <knome> ochosi, except when our plan to take over the world is finished, and we will instantly change everything to black-on-black
[22:11] <knome> OOPS
[22:17] <charlie-tca> hm, I guess black on black has not hurt my eyes when I see it
[22:17]  * charlie-tca sees it often when testing these new oneiric images :)
[22:18] <ochosi> hehe
[23:01] <charlie-tca> By the way, I found a way to consistently crash midori in Oneiric. Just use any extensions with it :(
[23:02] <dtchen> yikes. Is it in an existing user account and/or a new one?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> new
[23:05] <charlie-tca> bug 801837
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Something in webkit, I think
[23:07] <micahg> \o/