[03:46] ochosi is not here correct? but he reads later? i have a question regarding greybird, on xfce4-terminal the bars look different http://imagebin.org/160337 [03:47] i don't know if this is intented or not [04:00] GridCube: yes, just leave your question here, ochosi will read the backlog, if you start with his nick [04:00] :) [04:01] Most of us will check the backlog, if addressed specifically [04:01] :D ok [04:02] thats why i choosed to post, because else i would forgot about it [08:04] charlie-tca, et all: I know this is kind of out there, what would be the chance of using PCManFM? (as alt or default) as it has some really nice features over Thunar [09:26] when we change thunar for pcmanfm we'll also rename xubuntu to lubuntu [09:26] oh, wait [09:27] so, zero chance ;-) [09:28] I didn't think there was, it's just got a few features I'm looking for (But if we can add them ;) ) [09:40] I should probably say that I was looking at having the address bar and a menu option to open as root or in terminal... [09:41] Unit193: you can "open a terminal here" in the context menu [09:41] so you can also add a smilar action for "open as root" [09:46] mr_pouit: Oddly, when I use gigolo to open a folder, I don't have the terminal option anymore (And I can cd to it with the same user) [09:50] Anywho, it's almost 5am and I still need some sleep [15:19] Anyone testing the images today/yesterday should be updating the chart, please. http://2tu.us/3dmh [15:21] :D testing alternate x86 [17:18] Lost the Xubuntu session on the images again [17:18] it goes to Xfce session even if Xubuntu session is selected [17:18] mr_pouit: ^ ^ [18:05] charlie-tca, what's the default media player on 11.04/10? parole? [18:06] parole [18:06] and gmusicbrowser [18:06] is there a ppa for it to 10.04? [18:08] im searching for it, its just that exaile doesnt let me save music lists on m3u or lst, or whatever, and audacious doesnt allow drag and drop, for now i just love Decibel-audio-player, but then again it neither understand lists [18:09] No, I don't believe there is [18:09] Why are you running 10.04? [18:09] upgrade to something better? [18:09] XD jeje, parole and probation administration > ppa [18:09] because its lts? [18:10] Ah, then you get to put up with LTS not having parole ;) [18:10] and because i have installed it a week before 11.04 went live and i did not feel like changing it [18:10] had* [18:10] I think it was very unstable at that point in time [18:10] We put parole in 10.10, too [18:11] But I don't think it was ready for use in 10.04 [18:11] mmm does it use media lists? [18:11] I have no idea. I don't do enough with music to know much [18:12] I seem to watch a video every six months, though. I also play at least one song on one cd every six months [18:12] XD [18:12] Sometimes I even play cd's for beta testing [18:13] we do listen lots of music, my brother and I, so we like to have our lists === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [18:29] D: oh great the update manager is updating the kernel [18:29] shouldn't that be on the latest image? the latest kernel? [18:31] GridCube: about the terminal, it's funny you asked that because i just commited a few changes to the terminal style [18:31] and yes, i'm aware of the tab-problem [18:31] but i'm not sure it's really solvable in a satisfactory way [18:31] :D [18:32] yes i was about to say that too, the alt-tab looks funny [18:32] alt-tab? [18:32] you mean the window-switcher? [18:32] yes [18:32] i guess [18:33] how does it look funny? [18:33] screenshoting [18:33] http://imagebin.org/160417 [18:34] i mean i know how it looks, but in what respect funny? [18:34] its not in the same grey style, its kind of violet or something [18:34] which is weird [18:34] it's greyblue or something, yes [18:34] it's similar to the selection-style [18:34] so not really entirely random [18:35] but since we changed the selection-style, i might change that as well [18:35] maybe darken it to black [18:35] but i'm not entirely sure [18:35] selection.. i see [18:35] if you wanna see what dark looks like you can check elementary's gtk, i did their window-switcher in black [18:45] GridCube: i'm also still considering a black panel, at least for personal use: http://imagebin.org/160421 [18:49] charlie-tca: i guess you're not a fan of that screenshot ^ , hm? ;) [18:55] oh, the terminal bars are desinged to be used whit a black terminal XD [18:56] i understend now [18:56] thats why it looked weird [18:57] yeah, i fixed the scrollbars [18:57] but i didn't fix the tab/notebook-style of the terms yet [18:57] i was wondering if it could be made it to be all grey in the same style than the rest of the window :^P [18:58] what could be made grey? [18:58] the terminal? [18:58] the terminal yes [18:58] hm, not sure grey would look very nice [18:58] i think it would look rather insensitive [18:58] in the same grey degradé [18:58] because usually you don't write into the grey area [18:58] or "background-area" [18:58] true that [18:59] we considered white/bright a while ago [18:59] but never pulled it off [19:00] no i understend now, the bar is meant to be used whit a black terminal, if you change it to other color it wont work [19:00] obviously the scrollbar would have to be changed as well, yeah [19:00] but that's not really a big deal tbh [19:00] more a question of what we want [19:01] cant it dinamycally change whit the main color choosed? [19:02] thats ridicully complex, nevermind [19:04] i don't think that's possible in gtk2 at all [19:04] but they planned stuff like that for gtk3 [19:04] e.g. the icons in the gnome-panel (symbolic icons) change with the bg-color [19:04] that's why they have to be svg and monochrome [19:04] i see [19:05] then why don't just make it like the rest of the system? [19:05] its funny that that only bar is different [19:07] i wanted it to blend in with the terminal [19:07] i see [19:07] in the older greybird it made even more sense [19:07] because the scrollbar always blended in [19:07] and i guess another reason was "because i can" :) [19:07] XD [19:08] ok it was my faul for changing the terminal colors :P [19:08] ;) [19:08] that's problematic, i know [19:08] i at first wanted to change the term bg-color to white [19:08] but many people opposed, so we ended up keeping what we had [19:08] i propose orange whit green font [19:08] XD [19:10] lol [19:18] charlie-tca, after the update of today's image the trash folder icon from the desktop dissapeared, don't know if thats important [19:18] bbl [19:19] :D [21:42] ochosi: if you want black panels, why aren't you modifying bluebird, which had them, instead of something that did not start dark [21:42] greybird was supposed to be lighter, not a match for dark themes [21:43] GridCube: don't know anything about a trash can, I don't have one in Oneiric, didn't know we should have one. I kind of don't like having it, though [21:43] charlie-tca, i agree with ochosi that a darker panel does look better in greybird as well. i don't see this issue as changing the direction of the theme, only an improvement to the current style. [21:44] Well, I guess I can go back to clearlooks then. I can't use black panels anymore then I can use white text on black background [21:45] The darker the panel, the lower the accessibility level goes [21:45] i thought ochosi asked you if the latest version was fine, and you said yes? [21:46] discussion here earlier today, thinking about making panels black [21:46] well, i don't agree making the panels *black* [21:47] 11:45:24 ochosi | GridCube: i'm also still considering a [21:47] | black panel, at least for personal use: [21:47] | http://imagebin.org/160421 [21:47] 11:49:35 ochosi | charlie-tca: i guess you're not a fan of [21:47] | that screenshot ^ , hm? ;) [21:48] "at least for personal use" [21:49] answer to "why not edit bluebird": he probably likes greybird more :) [21:57] charlie-tca: this panel was/is just for fun, so no worries, didn't commit it or anything [21:58] okay, no black backgrounds anywhere? [21:58] nope [21:58] * charlie-tca relaxes again [21:58] the only thing i'm thinking about atm is darkening the window-switcher (alt+tab) a bit [21:58] * charlie-tca must now to kick the heart again, make it calm down [21:59] don't worry too much, i hardly do anything dramatic or drastic without talking to people ;) [22:03] That is true. [22:11] ochosi, except when our plan to take over the world is finished, and we will instantly change everything to black-on-black [22:11] OOPS [22:17] hm, I guess black on black has not hurt my eyes when I see it [22:17] * charlie-tca sees it often when testing these new oneiric images :) [22:18] hehe [23:01] By the way, I found a way to consistently crash midori in Oneiric. Just use any extensions with it :( [23:02] yikes. Is it in an existing user account and/or a new one? [23:04] new [23:05] bug 801837 [23:05] Launchpad bug 801837 in midori (Ubuntu) "midori crashed with signal 7 in webkit_web_view_get_resource()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801837 [23:05] Something in webkit, I think [23:07] \o/