[01:16] <linuxman410> can u update to lubuntu 11.10 yet
[02:37] <head_victim> linuxman410: I'm sure you can, it's just a matter of how broken you want it to be. It's still in very early alphas so stability is not it's focus at the moment.
[02:37] <head_victim> I'm running it in a virtual machine
[03:47] <john_rambo> I am a little confused ... does lubuntu use pulse audio ?
[03:51] <KM0201> john_rambo: yup.
[03:52] <KM0201> install pavucontrol to make adjustments
[03:52] <KM0201> !info pavucontrol
[03:52] <KM0201> hmm
[03:52] <john_rambo> KM0201, Roger
[03:52] <KM0201> there we go.
[03:52] <KM0201> ubot5 was sleeping
[03:52] <john_rambo> KM0201, I was actually after a system wide equalizer
[03:53] <KM0201> it is
[08:54] <yesitisjustme> can i use lubuntu with 256mb?
[09:39] <head_victim> Anyone else having issues getting lxterminal to be transparent?
[09:40] <head_victim> I can change the colour easily and "change" the slider bar for transparency but it doesn't make it transparent.
[13:00] <kristian-aalborg> hi
[13:01] <kristian-aalborg> what's the name of the system monitor in Lubuntu? The one where you can read about memory etc?
[13:02] <head_victim> lxtask ?
[13:03] <kristian-aalborg> hi head_victim
[13:04] <head_victim> Gday kristian-aalborg
[13:04] <kristian-aalborg> could be... it's just that the screenshots I find of that is only a graphical representation of "top"
[13:05] <head_victim> That's pretty much all a system monitor is
[13:05] <head_victim> Is there something specific you're after?
[13:05] <kristian-aalborg> yes, I want to check a hdd
[13:05] <head_victim> Ah there is a disk analyser program as well
[13:05] <kristian-aalborg> but, I just remembered gsmartcontrol
[13:07] <head_victim> Sorry it's called "Disk Utility"
[13:07] <kristian-aalborg> so, this is weird... aptitude install lxtask acts like it's already there... but it's not
[13:08] <head_victim> It's under "Accessories" and "System INfo"
[13:08] <kristian-aalborg> sorry, I was about to say... this is Ubuntu w/ fluxbox
[13:08] <kristian-aalborg> I use some LX tools, though... the terminal is aces
[13:09] <head_victim> Ah fair enough, I can't be sure then, maybe try running it from command?
[13:09] <kristian-aalborg> not found
[13:10] <kristian-aalborg> I might need some repos added?
[13:10] <head_victim> Should be in there, but maybe try the Lubuntu PPA?
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> kristian@lugosi2:~$ aptitude show lxtask
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> No current or candidate version found for lxtask
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> Package: lxtask
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> State: not a real package
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, yes... I'll try that
[13:27] <kristian-aalborg> still no luck
[13:28] <head_victim> What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[13:29] <kristian-aalborg> lucid / 10.04 LTS
[13:32] <head_victim> kristian-aalborg: according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxtask it resides in an LXDE ppa for Lucid
[13:33] <kristian-aalborg> aha!
[13:33] <head_victim> Click the "other versions of lxtask  in untrusted  archives" to check it
[13:33] <kristian-aalborg> is APT clever enough to choose the newest version of stuff in several different repos?
[13:34] <head_victim>  I believe so, unless you pin it
[13:38] <kristian-aalborg> haha, it finally worked... and it's not the one I was looking for
[13:39] <kristian-aalborg> counter-awesome
[13:49] <head_victim> Hah
[13:49] <head_victim> So you're looking for a program to display how much disk space you have used?
[13:52] <head_victim> If so I'd recommend gnome-disk-utilities , it doesn't appear to ahve lots of dependencies
[13:53] <kristian-aalborg> no, I want to test the health of a disk I'm about to pop in
[13:53] <kristian-aalborg> gsmartcontrol will do it, but it's tricky for me
[13:53] <head_victim> Ah, that gnome-disk-utility does interrogate SMART
[13:56] <kristian-aalborg> do you remember which command to start it with?
[13:56] <head_victim> I was also going to suggest the gsmartcontrol but if that doesn't do what you want either I'm stumped
[13:57] <head_victim> I used the menu
[13:58] <kristian-aalborg> I suppose gsmartmontool is okay... I'm just afraid if I can mess anything up by running it as root on a mounted drive?
[14:00] <head_victim> Shouldn't, it's just reporting SMART data from what I understand
[14:00] <head_victim> You can do it all cli with smartctl as well
[14:00] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[14:02] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, yes... I am aware of that tool it's just very hard to use properly, I think
[14:02] <kristian-aalborg> I just recently discovered the difference between SATA and IDE... hardware is secondary to me, to say the least
[14:03] <head_victim> Oh ok, well I've only used gnome-disk-utility from the menu but there are screenshots on how to use the gsmartmontool around as well
[14:06] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, I'm going to shut down this box and try the hdd
[14:06] <kristian-aalborg> see ya
[14:06] <head_victim> No worries, good luck
[14:31] <kristian-aalborg> hi again head_victim
[14:31] <kristian-aalborg> sorry about hijacking this channel ;)
[14:31] <head_victim> No worries
[14:31] <kristian-aalborg> preliminary test indicates that the drive is cool
[14:31] <head_victim> I'm half busy with other things so sorry I've taken a while to respond at times
[14:32] <kristian-aalborg> and it's only 2.5", so it'll sit nicely on the GPU :D
[14:32] <head_victim> Ok does it have anything installed on it currently?
[14:33] <head_victim> Be careful sitting things on GPUs and the like, make sure they have plenty of airflow as overheating is the most common cause of basically every PC component.
[14:40] <kristian-aalborg> I will use some double-edged tape or whatever to call it... gives a few mm
[14:40] <kristian-aalborg> the GPU is pretty cold most times
[14:41] <head_victim> No worries, just making sure :)
[14:44] <kristian-aalborg> I have a 3.5 that is jammed in where the diskette drive was... that worries me a bit, though
[14:50] <head_victim> Sounds like you need a bigger case or some bigger capacity hard drivers :P
[14:51] <kristian-aalborg> yeah
[14:52] <kristian-aalborg> executable name for the gnome tool is palimpsest... what in the world...
[14:52] <kristian-aalborg> "cannot parse smartctl output: no ATA sections could be parsed" - when running conveyance test with gsmartmontool
[14:57] <head_victim> No idea sorry mate
[15:02] <kristian-aalborg> the gnome tool says it's okay when it performs the same test
[15:03] <kristian-aalborg> aha!
[15:03] <kristian-aalborg> it seems that my test on the faulty box this was in before are still being "smartly" kept
[15:13] <kristian-aalborg> I'm going to log off and install it properly... see ya
[15:13] <head_victim> Sorry I think you've lost me
[15:13] <head_victim> No worries, have fun
[15:13] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, I'm also seeking help on #hardware, so I am prone to forget what I told where :)
[15:14] <head_victim> Hah no worries mate
[15:14] <kristian-aalborg> this HDD was in a laptop that recently died... I used a very cheap bay for it... a crummy piece of plastic
[15:14] <kristian-aalborg> plus the laptop was acting weird in general
[15:15] <kristian-aalborg> on that box, this drive had a bunch of errors
[15:15] <kristian-aalborg> and the logs are still in the metadata, it seems... thus the "some tests in the pasts have reported problems"
[15:16] <kristian-aalborg> anyway, see ya
[17:21] <AmberJ> Hello
[17:24] <kristian-aalborg> hi again
[17:24] <kristian-aalborg> stupid drive keeps acting up
[17:24] <kristian-aalborg> however, I was thinking of something...
[17:25] <kristian-aalborg> will a net-install of Ubuntu or Debian with LXDE on top use less resources than Lubuntu? Be honest, now ;)
[17:35] <AmberJ> kristian-aalborg, honestly speaking, I dont know :P
[17:35] <AmberJ> j/k
[17:36] <AmberJ> It surely will be less resource hungry
[17:36] <kristian-aalborg> which? ;)
[17:36] <kristian-aalborg> the "custom" install...?
[17:37] <AmberJ> Given the fact that there's stuff that's installed with lubuntu that you might not need.....scratch/custom install will be less resource hungry...
[17:37] <AmberJ> But think carefully if it is worth it (?)...
[17:48] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, that's the thing
[17:48] <kristian-aalborg> install is not for me, but a n00b
[17:48] <kristian-aalborg> box is P4 w/ 1.5 gigs of memory
[17:59] <AmberJ> kristian-aalborg, This machine (P4, 1 GB RAM) has lubuntu and it runs very very well for me...
[18:01] <kristian-aalborg> not saying that Lubuntu would be "bad", o/c
[18:01] <KM0201> kristian-aalborg: what exact problem are you having?
[18:02] <KM0201> i'm running a similarly spec'd laptop, and its fine.
[18:02] <kristian-aalborg> none... I've not installed anything yet
[18:03] <kristian-aalborg> what do you use for disabling daemons?
[18:03] <KM0201> and no, ubuntu w/ lxde on top will not use less than Ubuntu, Debian w/ LXDE.. yes, it would.. however it's not as easy to use w/ as Lubuntu...
[18:03] <KM0201> what daemon are you wanting to disable
[18:03] <kristian-aalborg> ideally, the end user won't see the underlaying stuff much
[18:04] <kristian-aalborg> KM0201, this and that... I like the simplicity of rcconf, but I think it's acting a bit faulty (as in not really disabling stuff)
[18:04] <KM0201> kristian-aalborg: i'm having trouble finding th "this and that" daemon on my machine.
[18:04] <kristian-aalborg> it may be a virus ;)
[18:05] <kristian-aalborg> you know... bluetooth, unused stuff...
[18:06] <KM0201> hmm, no i don't know.
[18:06] <KM0201> brb though, i need to restart.
[18:06] <AmberJ> KM0201, I think he meant lxde on top of ubuntu-mini rather than ubuntu-desktop edition
[18:06] <KM0201> AmberJ: i still don't think its gonna be any "lighter" per se...
[18:06] <KM0201> brb
[18:07] <AmberJ> kristian-aalborg, lxde_menu -> Preferences -> Desktop session settings to disable autorun/autostart 'stuff'
[18:10] <kristian-aalborg> ah yes
[18:10] <kristian-aalborg> hmmm
[18:11] <kristian-aalborg> I suppose you can theme Lubuntu as much as you can theme regular LXDE?
[18:12] <kristian-aalborg> bbl, gotta reboot
[18:15] <KM0201> man i'm having a weird issue w/ weather indicator
[18:53] <pmatulis> is there a way to have, upon login, certain applications lauched and then have their windows placed in prescribed positions?  i have dual screens if it matters
[18:53] <pmatulis> *launched
[18:55] <AmberJ> pmatulis,  lxde_menu -> Preferences -> Desktop session settings   .............this is to add apps to add to autostart list...no idea about placing windows in specific positions
[18:55] <pmatulis> AmberJ: k, i got that far
[19:07] <KM0201> where can you make suggestions for lubuntu 11.10?
[19:07] <KM0201> i have a minor one ( i love it as is..)
[19:08] <pmatulis> KM0201: file a (wishlist) bug
[19:08] <KM0201> i couldn't find how to do that on launchpad
[19:09] <KM0201> i'm signed in, but i see no option to let me post a question/bug, just to search them
[19:11] <KM0201> i'd lke to see a "log in window"... that has a list of current users on the machine, rther than making you type usernames..
[19:12] <KM0201> i dont mind typing usernames, but others in the family are brain dead, i'm constantly reminding them of email passwords, etc.. (I have my email addy set as the recovery address for all their passwords)
[19:12] <pmatulis> KM0201: that would be lxdm
[19:12] <KM0201> lxdm?
[19:12] <pmatulis> KM0201: so open a bug there
[19:12] <pmatulis> !info lxdm
[19:13] <Unit193> KM0201: Using Natty? Do you mind bleeding edge?
[19:13] <KM0201> Unit193: naa, i don't mind bleeding edge, but yes i'm using natty
[19:13] <KM0201> i tried using some app yesterda.. SLIP? i think.. and it bricked my install..
[19:13]  * pmatulis senses a ppa coming up
[19:14] <KM0201> that'd be fine, so long as it works
[19:14] <KM0201> just seems it should be a default option though
[19:14] <Unit193> Use LightDM. It might work (This is still alpha/beta software!)
[19:15] <KM0201> whats lightdm
[19:15] <KM0201> ?
[19:15] <pmatulis> !find lightdm
[19:15] <KM0201> is there an ubuntu PPA for it?
[19:15] <pmatulis> !info lightdm
[19:16] <Unit193> http://ubuntu4beginners.blogspot.com/2011/06/testing-new-login-manger-for-ubuntu.html
[19:16] <KM0201> lol
[19:16] <KM0201> "dick worthing"..lol
[19:16] <Unit193> gnome-theme isn't the best choice (And again, this is testing software)
[19:17] <KM0201> yeah, from the screenshots it seems like it would work ok.
[19:17] <KM0201> brb
[19:18] <Unit193> Dang... I found a better link...
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> lol, the HDD was dead
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> also, hi phillw and the rest
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> where's harjour these days?
[20:44] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-beginners/2011-May/002087.html
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> I hope she is well
[20:46] <kristian-aalborg> for a moment I thought something terrible had happened :/
[20:55] <Unit193> KM0201: http://iloveubuntu.net/lightdm-has-landed-oneirics-main-repos-natty-available-ppa
[20:56] <KM0201> Unit193: i might check it out.
[20:57] <Unit193> That uses a better theme (But again, this is beta at best) You could always go for GDM ;)
[20:57] <KM0201> i thought about GDM actually
[20:58] <KM0201> i'm finishing up the install now, so i'll see in a minute.. :)
[20:59] <KM0201> if i install GDM though, that won't effect the actual desktop anywill it?  that will only be the login window, right?
[21:00] <Unit193> I have never used GDM with it, but as long as it finds Lubuntu Desktop login session, you should be fine
[21:00] <KM0201> hmm
[21:00] <KM0201> well, i'll try that real quick, so i don't get along to far, in case i brick something
[21:01] <KM0201> lol
[21:01] <Unit193> You can always switch back to LXDM if it doesn't work
[21:01] <KM0201> ok, brb.
[21:07] <ken__> Unit193: u around?.. that resulted in epic fail.. i ry to sign in, and it kicks me to console..lol
[21:08] <ken__> thank goodness for irssi
[21:08] <ken__> lol
[21:08] <ken__> brb, gonna tryt o uninstall this real quick.
[21:13] <ken___> grr
[21:13] <ken___> looks like i might get to reinstall..lol
[21:13] <ken___> Unit193: ?
[21:13] <ken___> u got me into this mess, where are you?..lol
[21:14] <Unit193> ken___: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[21:14] <ken___> hmm
[21:14] <ken___> i think i tried that
[21:14] <ken___> i uninstalled gdm anyway
[21:14] <ken___> then i tried dpkg-reconfigure lxdm
[21:14] <ken___> and no joy
[21:14] <ken___> lemme try that one more time..
[21:15] <ken___> brb
[21:21] <KM0201> ok
[21:21] <KM0201> well, i got lxde back
[21:21] <KM0201> but now everytime i start, i get a crash failure saying GDM failed to install or upgrade
[21:21] <KM0201> but when i check synaptic, it is removed
[21:22] <Unit193> Did you purge gdm? or just remove?
[21:22] <KM0201> i think i purged it.
[21:22] <KM0201> well
[21:22] <KM0201> i removed it, sorry
[21:23] <KM0201> lemme try purging
[21:23] <Unit193> autoremove --purge ?
[21:23] <KM0201> i ran autoremove, but not autoremove --purge
[21:24] <Unit193> I like --purge a little too much anyway...
[21:24] <KM0201> well, it says its removed and purged
[21:24] <KM0201> i got nothing done on both commands
[21:25] <KM0201> now if i go to synaptic
[21:25] <KM0201> and i go to gdm  i can right click it and choose "mark for complete removal".. but then Apply never becomes available to click
[21:25] <KM0201> this sucks.
[21:26] <KM0201> any other ideas, before i just reinstall?
[21:26] <KM0201> lol
[21:26] <Unit193> That's because it's not installed... You can't remove somthing that isn't there!
[21:26] <Unit193> Did dpkg-reconfigure ask what one you wanted to use?
[21:26] <KM0201> so why am i getting an error that it's failed to install or upgrade when i log in?
[21:26] <KM0201> yes
[21:26] <KM0201> and i chose lxdm
[21:26] <KM0201> thats how i got back to my desktop
[21:27] <KM0201> otherwise, i'd get to GDM, try to sign in, it would go to console, then back to the GUI login
[21:27] <KM0201> never got to the desktop
[21:27] <KM0201> it's no big deal if i have to install
[21:27] <KM0201> i just don't want that error coming up everytime i start
[21:27] <KM0201> lemme see if i can remove it again
[21:28] <Unit193> Wait, did you try to change session types in GDM??
[21:28] <KM0201> *configure it again
[21:28] <KM0201> no.. it wouldn't let me
[21:28] <KM0201> cuz my mouse wouln't work... and it wouldn't let me tab to sessions
[21:28] <KM0201> ok..
[21:29] <KM0201> i just ran this... "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm"  and i got the message "gdm is broken or not fully installed" (granted, i'm not in console at the moment.
[21:29] <KM0201> synaptic however, shows no broken packages
[21:30] <KM0201> lemme try a few more things, then it's a reinsall..lol
[21:33] <KM0201> hmm
[21:34] <KM0201> ok, i reconfigured lxdm again, it didn't seem to do anything,
[21:34] <KM0201> but now when i reboot, i don't get the error
[21:34] <KM0201> so all is right in the world now
[21:34] <Unit193> I'm going to install GDM and LightDM to see what's up
[21:34] <KM0201> have fun w/ it
[21:35] <KM0201> like i said.. just didn't bode well for me
[21:53] <KM0201> Unit193: any luck?