/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/29/#ubuntu-ops.txt

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marienzwe've not had much luck explaining to shellmix that it'd be a good idea for them to run a reliable ident and discuss ilining/cloaking with us00:14
CoreyInstead they periodically have abusive users ruin things for everyone.00:15
Aadyaare you there ikonia?00:18
Aadyaare you there bazhang?00:18
Aadyaor Pici?00:18
Aadyarww?00:18
IdleOneAadya: How can we help you?00:19
bazhangAadya, whats up00:19
Aadyaummm , Did you guys know Vibhav went to a vacation to USA?00:19
bazhangyes00:19
AadyaI am Vibhav00:19
bazhangok00:19
Aadyain USA00:19
Aadyaso is my home IP unbanned?00:20
bazhangAadya, since you were to come here after your month break and discuss before its removal, no00:21
Aadyabazhing - vibhav=rpande=Adaya00:21
Aadyaon 7 July , will I be unbanned?00:21
bazhangcome and discuss then. why are you in #ubuntu now00:22
AadyaVery Sorry!00:22
bazhangthanks00:22
AadyaCan I go to offtopic then?00:22
bazhangwere you banned there?00:22
IdleOneyes00:22
Aadyathis is what ikonia did00:22
AadyaThanks100:23
IdleOneerr not yes to him00:23
bazhangyes banned? or yes, can go00:23
IdleOneyes to your question bazhang00:23
bazhangheh00:23
bazhangwell lets see if he behaves00:23
IdleOnelol but he was fast on the draw00:23
IdleOnethe fact that he came here to let us know is a good step I think00:23
bazhangyep00:24
bazhangand he parted #ubuntu immediately00:24
IdleOneright00:24
bazhanghe never even tried any of the proposed fixes03:59
Coreybazhang: Of course not.03:59
CoreyHe was looking for a way to rant at people.03:59
bazhangremastersys could do that, but thats a PPA04:00
IdleOnehe could just use !clone04:00
IdleOneno need remaster, who knows what changes they go make and break everything and then try to get support04:01
IdleOneonly tell you after you break your head for 3 hours trying to troubleshoot04:01
CoreyYou can't win them all.04:01
IdleOnenor should you try04:02
bazhang* [mikevPussyboy] (~none@DARIASIL.MIT.EDU): none04:02
bazhanggot a bad feeling...04:02
J_E_S_U_S#ubuntu04:07
J_E_S_U_Soh04:09
J_E_S_U_SBanned.04:09
J_E_S_U_Sguess i won't be helping people today04:09
bazhangfor what?04:09
J_E_S_U_Swhy was I banned?04:10
J_E_S_U_Sfor speaking french, "flooding", and telling an op to f* off04:10
J_E_S_U_Sall the while I was helping 5 people04:10
J_E_S_U_Sat the same time04:10
bazhangthat would do it04:10
bazhangthere is not karma that lets you flout guidelines04:11
J_E_S_U_Syeah04:11
=== J_E_S_U_S is now known as MrCleaWithHair
bazhangso why mention helping people04:12
MrCleaWithHairbecause it was an awkward situation04:12
bazhang!guidelines | MrCleaWithHair04:12
ubottuMrCleaWithHair: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines04:12
bazhang!coc | MrCleaWithHair and this too04:12
ubottuMrCleaWithHair and this too: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct04:12
MrCleaWithHairubottu: YOU WERE ONE OF THEM04:13
ubottuMrCleaWithHair: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)04:13
MrCleaWithHairyou and floodbot and Justin_??04:13
bazhangMrCleaWithHair, pardon? you wish to resolve this? or not04:13
MrCleaWithHairyeah04:13
bazhangMrCleaWithHair, if yes, then take a few minutes to read those.04:13
MrCleaWithHairyou want me to sign the code of conduct?04:14
bazhangjust reading the two linked guides is sufficient04:15
IdleOneDon't need to sign the code of conduct but you do need to abide by it if you wish to help in #ubuntu04:15
MrCleaWithHairI can do that for you04:15
bazhangtake your time04:16
MrCleaWithHairok done. I'm sorry for trolling last night.04:18
bazhangMrCleaWithHair, so you will abide by channel guidelines and rules?04:18
MrCleaWithHairyes04:18
bazhangokay04:18
bazhangMrCleaWithHair, try to join now04:20
MrCleaWithHairbazhang: thank you. i'll behave.04:20
bazhangyou're in it seems04:20
bazhangMrCleaWithHair, as we have resolved the issue, please part this channel thanks04:21
bronaughok, so can someone perhaps un-quiet me in #ubuntu?07:38
Flannelbronaugh: Howdy.07:43
bronaughhey, Flannel07:44
Tm_Tgood morning07:44
Flannelbronaugh: So, from what I can tell, it seems you were getting a bit frustrated and blew off some steam.07:44
bronaughpretty much.07:45
bronaughI ended up upgrading to 11.04 from 8.04 anyways. so whatever; in the end he was right.07:45
bronaughof course, new distro, new problems07:45
Flannelbronaugh: I'm not sure why this quiet still exists, I imagine it's mistakenly forgotten about, but just to be thorough, I'm going to just make sure you're comfortable participating in a non-grating manner.07:45
Flannelbronaugh: That is to say, people shutting you down rudely or otherwise merely for asking about EOL isn't something I endorse,07:46
bronaughalright...07:47
Flannelbut, being friendly (even if remaining friendly means taking a step away for a while) is also certainly something we like to see.07:47
Flannel(That helps you anyway, since people are less likely to help someone who is grating)07:48
Flannelanyway, I think I've rambled long enough, let me see about removing the quiet.07:48
bronaughalright.07:48
Flannelbronaugh: I think I got it.  Please join #ubuntu and say something so we can verify I didn't miss something.07:49
Flannelor, just say something, I guess, as you're already there.07:49
bronaughFlannel: I think you need -q07:50
Tm_Tdone07:51
FlannelThey should be equivalent in the backend, but that may not be true anymore.07:51
bronaughTm_T: thanks :)07:51
FlannelDid you actually try to say something after the -b?07:51
Tm_Tit's not the same07:51
Tm_TIIRC never been exactly the same07:51
FlannelTm_T: The ircd-seven for hyperion users faq said they were translated to be equivalent, or something similar to that.07:52
FlannelAh, no, it said that it no longer translates them.07:52
FlannelI knew I read something about that.07:53
Tm_T(:07:53
FlannelBantracker still translates them.  That's unfortunate.07:53
Tm_Tbronaugh: please confirm you can talk in the channel, and if you can, then you're free to leave this channel07:53
bronaughyeah, it's fine.07:56
Tm_Tjolly good07:56
bronaughthanks again.07:57
ikoniaI'm talking to pythonsnake in pm (if he responds)11:29
ikoniaPythonsnake responded well in pm, took the guidelines URL and genuninly appears to have read it, so there should be an improvement in his contribution11:52
bazhangalready complaining about 11.1012:50
bazhangxvilo and comics same IP12:52
Picihttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/ is rather handy.  /me bookmarks13:19
ikoniaagreed13:19
ikoniaPici: not very handy if the person you've just given it to doesn't read it13:20
Piciikonia: can you help me answer that last question, I'm not familiar with PCI compliance. I think I remember seeing you field a question on it previously.13:20
ikoniayes, sure, sorry, I wasn't paying attention13:21
Piciikonia: thats why I asked here ;)13:21
bazhangseems an odd way to remove older kernels13:41
ikoniaI suspect he's removed the package somehow and it's not picked up the file13:41
bazhangpythonsnake is telling every user to PM him for support13:51
ikoniayes, I've spoke to him about it earlier13:52
bazhanganyone got a clue what dood is saying?14:28
ikoniahello there BluesKaj14:45
BluesKajhi ikonia ..is there some kind of personal dislike amongst some members here ..I see a lot of picky coments about off topic talk when there little conversation in the chat14:47
ikoniawhich channel/where14:48
ikoniaI've not been paying %100 attention, so you'll need to fill me in, and be a little specific if possible14:48
BluesKaj#ubuntu and #ubuntu+114:48
ikoniaok, what's happened and when14:48
ikoniaI've not seen anything in #ubuntu while I was active, so just offer the details14:48
BluesKajbetween em and tsimpson ...tsimpson seems to ahgve an "attitude"  that I haven't seen before . Personally i think new linux users find that discouraging14:50
ikoniaBluesKaj: people are playing games and trying to be a problem in the channel, so on occasion you have to be direct/to the point/%100 clear14:50
ikoniaBluesKaj: I agree it's not useful and it won't be continuing14:51
BluesKajundesrtood but I saw no game playing14:51
ikoniayes, that's the intetion14:51
ikoniaemma / em is a long term problem user in the #ubuntu channels, and is for some reason upset about something and trying to make a point14:51
ikoniaall this has happened in other channels and now #ubuntu is being used to play games14:52
tsimpsonBluesKaj: me and em have been discussing the issues already14:52
ikoniait will stop14:52
BluesKajanyway ..a personal observation... a little levity doesn't hurt occasionally when the chat isn't busy14:52
ikoniaBluesKaj: agreed,14:52
BluesKajok thanks ikonia , that's all I have to say14:53
bazhanggenii-around, congrats! and an email from sabdfl himself as well!15:05
genii-aroundbazhang: Thanks15:05
* genii-around ponders the "somewhat dubious" part15:06
emHi15:17
ikoniahello15:17
bazhanghi15:17
emI do not accept that this is true:15:18
ikoniawhat?15:18
emikonia: emma/em is a long term problem user in the #ubuntu channels, and is for some reason upset about something and trying to make a point15:19
ikoniaok - don't accept it15:19
emI could just as well say you are a long term problem in #ubuntu channels and be equally correct.15:19
ikoniaif you want, that's fine15:19
emThanks then. :)15:19
ikoniaok, bye15:19
emOkay sure one moment.15:19
* Pici passes out a bottle of aspirin to everyone15:38
bazhangdood! where's my aspirin!15:39
mneptokPici: why is the pill you handed me labelled "Drano?"15:40
bazhang:015:40
Picimneptok: its a special pill just for you15:44
bazhangdont even remember his issue, lost the link15:44
mneptokPici: i feel the love ;)15:45
LjLDOOD, do you realize the channel has 1500 people and it's hard enough to follow it without people flooding and demanding immediate answers?15:50
DOODwell15:50
DOODi have been waiting for the links to a forum u know15:51
DOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!15:51
DOODfor along time15:51
DOODok. LjL15:52
LjLDOOD: people can be busy or whatever. anyway, we have a first problem i can see here15:52
LjL!enter15:52
ubottuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!15:52
LjLthe best way to keep #ubuntu the least busy is to ask an articulate question on one line, and reply on one line15:53
LjLthink about what you need to say, and then say it and press enter when you're ready - don't follow it with a trail of other stuff15:53
DOODwhat do u mean enter key15:53
LjLthe Return key. the key that lets you send a line.15:53
macoDOOD: return15:53
DOODso can i speak to dazhang15:54
LjLi don't know whether bazhang is busy now or not, but meanwhile i want you to check out these factoids before you're allowed back into #ubuntu15:54
LjL!etiquette > DOOD15:54
ubottuDOOD, please see my private message15:54
genii-aroundDOOD: For instance, what you wrote here earlier in five lines where you hit enter five times, starting with: "well" on a line of it's own, and ending with" "ok. LjL"  could have been written together at once, then hit the Enter key only at the end of it all.15:55
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bazhangnow in #ubuntu16:02
Piciwho?16:02
Picinevermind.16:03
Picithanks mneptok16:03
mneptokyessah16:04
LjLdood, are you stoned?16:04
LjLwhops16:04
LjLthat was to pici :)16:04
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LjLdooood: please don't try rejoining #ubuntu until the issue is resolved16:04
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dooodwhat do u mean16:04
mneptokdoood: changing your nick to avoid a ban16:05
LjLi mean you are currently banned from #ubuntu and redirected to here, and you're not supposed to attempt rejoining #ubuntu using other nicknames and stuff16:05
dooodbecause what did i do16:05
mneptokdoood: you just did it. you know you did it. please do not insult our intelligence by feigning ignorance.16:05
dooodok16:05
mneptokthank you.16:05
dooodbut what else did i do16:05
LjLdoood: i've tried to explain what you did, and until i'm sure you've got it, i won't remove the ban16:06
LjLdoood: you kept asking and asking again for something, *demanding* it be provided16:06
dooodcould u explain again plz16:06
LjLdoood: you're simply not supposed to do that in #ubuntu16:06
dooodi stopped afterwords16:06
dooodwhen i was DOOD16:06
LjLdoood: ask a question, in ONE line, have some patience, and if there is no answer, ask again later (let at least 10 minutes or so pass), again in ONE line without saying things like "did you see my question"16:07
LjLdoood: yes, you stopped because you were banned ;)16:07
dooodplz uplift the ban16:07
LjLdoood: only if it's clear that you understand the rules. have you read the !etiquette thing i sent you?16:07
dooodyes and i am sorry16:08
mneptokLjL: i'm off for a confcall. the ban i set is all yours to remove, if you wish.16:08
LjLdoood: another small thing, please type in full words. "plz" and "u" may not be clear to non-native speakers of english, of which #ubuntu has a large number16:08
LjLmneptok: ok16:08
dooodok16:09
dooodplease you16:09
LjLdoood: you need to understand now that if i remove the ban, you won't be cut ANY more slack. you're supposed to know the rules now. if you misbehave again, you will be banned for much longer.16:09
dooodok understood16:09
dooodbut can i change my username back to DOOD16:10
bazhangyes16:10
LjLdoood: you can change it to whatever you want, although i personally think it's important to maintain a single identity on freenode16:10
LjLdoood: the ban has been removed16:10
dooodthanks16:10
ikoniaI've seen that "well" <cr> before16:11
LjL(i also prefer not to have to chase my highlights, but i thought i wouldn't tell him that)16:12
Tm_Thi COOLDOOD, can we help you with something?17:51
COOLDOODcan i speak to LjL17:58
ikoniaCOOLDOOD: you've just spent 15 minutes discussing this with me17:59
ikoniayou can take a break for a day and come back after you've absorbed what I told you17:59
ikoniaif LjL is available you're welcome to speak to him18:00
COOLDOODplease un ban me18:01
ikoniaCOOLDOOD: come back in 24 hours - I explained things in great detail to you18:01
ikoniaif you keep asking, I'll assume you've not understood what I explained to you and ask that you take longer to consider it18:02
COOLDOODbur iwant wireless internet quickly18:02
ikoniaI understand that18:02
COOLDOODwithin at most1 hour18:02
ikoniabut maybe your need is clouding how you should behave, ljl spent time explaining it, and I've just done it again18:02
ikoniaCOOLDOOD: less haste = more speed18:02
COOLDOODok i uderstood very quickly i do 1 more bad thing and ban me 4ever18:03
ikoniano18:03
ikoniaI've explained it to you in pm for 15 minutes - no18:03
COOLDOODineed wirless quick18:03
ikoniayou can come back to tomorrow when you've thought it through18:04
COOLDOODcome on with a pat on the back18:04
ikoniaCOOLDOOD: no - please stop asking. We'll see you in 24 hours if you wish18:04
COOLDOODi wish2 minutes18:04
ikoniano, 24 hours18:05
COOLDOOD10 hours18:05
ikoniaCOOLDOOD: it's not a negotion18:05
ikonianegotiation18:05
COOLDOODbut u dont know how i feel so upset an crying18:06
ikoniaI'm sorry about that18:06
ikoniaCOOLDOOD: I think we are done now - I'll speak to you (or anyone in this channel) in 24 hours18:06
nhandlerCOOLDOOD: I would suggest parting this channel and waiting until tomorrow as ikonia has requested18:06
ikoniaplease try to consider the information LjL gave you18:06
COOLDOODi swear iam crying now18:07
* LjL rolls eyes until they fall out18:07
ikoniaLjL: you're welcome to give him more time, I've just tried for 15 minutes in pm18:08
LjLeh, my own PM was long enough18:08
ikoniafair enough18:08
PiciI think you both handled it well here.18:08
ikoniaI'll take and appreciate the compliment18:09
LjL:)18:09
mneptokthe users that *really* need networking support aren't asking for it on IRC, as IRC require a functioning network connection *somewhere*18:17
mneptokand i can assure you, people that have paid for a support contract from Canonical have far, far fewer constraints on their behavior than do IRC users. be as rude or demanding as you want. you paid good money.18:18
ikoniaI wouldn't take that attitude from paying customers18:20
genii-aroundMe either18:22
mneptokCanonical does not pay support engineers to teach etiquette. you're paid to solve problems. if a customer becomes unmanageable, that's why there's management. :)18:24
charlie-tcatrue in most customer support positions18:25
genii-aroundcustomer: $^%#@!!!    tech: Let me patch you through to my supervisor18:25
mneptokgenii-around: better - "I'm sorry. I did not quite hear that. Could you repeat it?"18:28
mneptok(most people won't repeat it)18:28
oCeanDOOD: what's up?19:14
DOODis LjL around19:15
oCeanI think you where told to return tomorrow19:15
oCeanDOOD: if there's nothing else, you can part now19:16
DOODunban please19:17
oCeannot now - you where told what to do19:17
DOODu cant just do it 4 me19:17
DOODcan u sole a problem with my wir;ess stick19:19
DOODsolve wireless19:19
mneptokDOOD: you will not be unbanned for at least 24h. that is non-negotiable. continuing to /join this channel and ask will result in increases to 48h, 72h etc. evetually the ban will become permanent if you do not stop asking.19:19
genii-aroundDOOD: When one operator has banned you and says "come back in 24 hours" .. another operator will not unban you before the original one would have.19:19
DOODok but can u solve aproblem 4 me19:20
mneptokno. this is not a support channel.19:20
DOODso what is ? the one i got banned from ?19:20
mneptokDOOD: yes. #ubuntu is the support channel.19:21
DOODoh bye19:21
mneptokDOOD: please "/part #ubuntu-ops" until tomorrow.19:22
DOODok19:23
* mneptok resets the timer19:23
mneptokwagers? anyone?19:23
genii-aroundI give em maybe 2 hours19:24
genii-aroundmneptok: Since it will be midnight in their timezone in about 1 hour 45 minutes, my bet is they return like 1 minute after midnight local time hoping ban auto-expires19:25
mneptok24h != tomorrow19:27
mneptokbut i'll bet you're right.19:27
* popey spies DOOD turn up in -uk19:58
popey(joined and left)19:58
Pici:(19:58
* jpds wonders how useful usr13 really is.20:12
ikoniawhy is it when you help people and ask questions to get them the help they need, they ignore them and give you other random bits of information that's just usless and do random things like reboot in the middle of debugging20:33
jpdsikonia: Have you tried turning it off and on again?20:34
ikoniahe's doing that on his own :)20:34
jpdsHe knows what a button looks like?20:34
genii-aroundikonia: I had that lots before. My usual response is something like: When you suddenly begin improvising on what you think you need to do, it makes it much more difficult to assist20:37
PiciIf I had a nickel for every time I saw ikonia write "thats not the command I asked you to run"...20:38
genii-aroundHeh20:38
genii-aroundikonia: It looks like md127 is a fallback name when there is a problem, as the link i posted indicates20:45
ikoniayes20:45
ikoniaalready tried to explain that to him20:45
ikoniajust seen your link too20:45
ikoniahello shockrates20:52
ikoniashockrates: do you need/want something ?20:55
ikoniashockrates: hello ?20:58
ActionParsniphey guys22:40
bazhanghey22:40
ActionParsnipcan we support users whom make custom ISOs using remastersyst?22:40
ActionParsnip*remastersys22:41
bazhangits a PPA so no22:41
ActionParsnipi see22:41
ActionParsnipcheers man22:51
ActionParsnip:)22:51
jpdsCheers? Where's the beer?23:30
knomejpds, it's in the fridge23:31
* nhandler isn't seeing it on fridge.ubuntu.com23:52
knomenhandler, in *my* fridge ;)23:55

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