[00:14] <marienz> we've not had much luck explaining to shellmix that it'd be a good idea for them to run a reliable ident and discuss ilining/cloaking with us
[00:15] <Corey> Instead they periodically have abusive users ruin things for everyone.
[00:18] <Aadya> are you there ikonia?
[00:18] <Aadya> are you there bazhang?
[00:18] <Aadya> or Pici?
[00:18] <Aadya> rww?
[00:19] <IdleOne> Aadya: How can we help you?
[00:19] <bazhang> Aadya, whats up
[00:19] <Aadya> ummm , Did you guys know Vibhav went to a vacation to USA?
[00:19] <bazhang> yes
[00:19] <Aadya> I am Vibhav
[00:19] <bazhang> ok
[00:19] <Aadya> in USA
[00:20] <Aadya> so is my home IP unbanned?
[00:21] <bazhang> Aadya, since you were to come here after your month break and discuss before its removal, no
[00:21] <Aadya> bazhing - vibhav=rpande=Adaya
[00:21] <Aadya> on 7 July , will I be unbanned?
[00:22] <bazhang> come and discuss then. why are you in #ubuntu now
[00:22] <Aadya> Very Sorry!
[00:22] <bazhang> thanks
[00:22] <Aadya> Can I go to offtopic then?
[00:22] <bazhang> were you banned there?
[00:22] <IdleOne> yes
[00:22] <Aadya> this is what ikonia did
[00:23] <Aadya> Thanks1
[00:23] <IdleOne> err not yes to him
[00:23] <bazhang> yes banned? or yes, can go
[00:23] <IdleOne> yes to your question bazhang
[00:23] <bazhang> heh
[00:23] <bazhang> well lets see if he behaves
[00:23] <IdleOne> lol but he was fast on the draw
[00:23] <IdleOne> the fact that he came here to let us know is a good step I think
[00:24] <bazhang> yep
[00:24] <bazhang> and he parted #ubuntu immediately
[00:24] <IdleOne> right
[03:59] <bazhang> he never even tried any of the proposed fixes
[03:59] <Corey> bazhang: Of course not.
[03:59] <Corey> He was looking for a way to rant at people.
[04:00] <bazhang> remastersys could do that, but thats a PPA
[04:00] <IdleOne> he could just use !clone
[04:01] <IdleOne> no need remaster, who knows what changes they go make and break everything and then try to get support
[04:01] <IdleOne> only tell you after you break your head for 3 hours trying to troubleshoot
[04:01] <Corey> You can't win them all.
[04:02] <IdleOne> nor should you try
[04:02] <bazhang> * [mikevPussyboy] (~none@DARIASIL.MIT.EDU): none
[04:02] <bazhang> got a bad feeling...
[04:07] <J_E_S_U_S> #ubuntu
[04:09] <J_E_S_U_S> oh
[04:09] <J_E_S_U_S> Banned.
[04:09] <J_E_S_U_S> guess i won't be helping people today
[04:09] <bazhang> for what?
[04:10] <J_E_S_U_S> why was I banned?
[04:10] <J_E_S_U_S> for speaking french, "flooding", and telling an op to f* off
[04:10] <J_E_S_U_S> all the while I was helping 5 people
[04:10] <J_E_S_U_S> at the same time
[04:10] <bazhang> that would do it
[04:11] <bazhang> there is not karma that lets you flout guidelines
[04:11] <J_E_S_U_S> yeah
[04:12] <bazhang> so why mention helping people
[04:12] <MrCleaWithHair> because it was an awkward situation
[04:12] <bazhang> !guidelines | MrCleaWithHair
[04:12] <bazhang> !coc | MrCleaWithHair and this too
[04:13] <MrCleaWithHair> ubottu: YOU WERE ONE OF THEM
[04:13] <MrCleaWithHair> you and floodbot and Justin_??
[04:13] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, pardon? you wish to resolve this? or not
[04:13] <MrCleaWithHair> yeah
[04:13] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, if yes, then take a few minutes to read those.
[04:14] <MrCleaWithHair> you want me to sign the code of conduct?
[04:15] <bazhang> just reading the two linked guides is sufficient
[04:15] <IdleOne> Don't need to sign the code of conduct but you do need to abide by it if you wish to help in #ubuntu
[04:15] <MrCleaWithHair> I can do that for you
[04:16] <bazhang> take your time
[04:18] <MrCleaWithHair> ok done. I'm sorry for trolling last night.
[04:18] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, so you will abide by channel guidelines and rules?
[04:18] <MrCleaWithHair> yes
[04:18] <bazhang> okay
[04:20] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, try to join now
[04:20] <MrCleaWithHair> bazhang: thank you. i'll behave.
[04:20] <bazhang> you're in it seems
[04:21] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, as we have resolved the issue, please part this channel thanks
[07:38] <bronaugh> ok, so can someone perhaps un-quiet me in #ubuntu?
[07:43] <Flannel> bronaugh: Howdy.
[07:44] <bronaugh> hey, Flannel
[07:44] <Tm_T> good morning
[07:44] <Flannel> bronaugh: So, from what I can tell, it seems you were getting a bit frustrated and blew off some steam.
[07:45] <bronaugh> pretty much.
[07:45] <bronaugh> I ended up upgrading to 11.04 from 8.04 anyways. so whatever; in the end he was right.
[07:45] <bronaugh> of course, new distro, new problems
[07:45] <Flannel> bronaugh: I'm not sure why this quiet still exists, I imagine it's mistakenly forgotten about, but just to be thorough, I'm going to just make sure you're comfortable participating in a non-grating manner.
[07:46] <Flannel> bronaugh: That is to say, people shutting you down rudely or otherwise merely for asking about EOL isn't something I endorse,
[07:47] <bronaugh> alright...
[07:47] <Flannel> but, being friendly (even if remaining friendly means taking a step away for a while) is also certainly something we like to see.
[07:48] <Flannel> (That helps you anyway, since people are less likely to help someone who is grating)
[07:48] <Flannel> anyway, I think I've rambled long enough, let me see about removing the quiet.
[07:48] <bronaugh> alright.
[07:49] <Flannel> bronaugh: I think I got it.  Please join #ubuntu and say something so we can verify I didn't miss something.
[07:49] <Flannel> or, just say something, I guess, as you're already there.
[07:50] <bronaugh> Flannel: I think you need -q
[07:51] <Tm_T> done
[07:51] <Flannel> They should be equivalent in the backend, but that may not be true anymore.
[07:51] <bronaugh> Tm_T: thanks :)
[07:51] <Flannel> Did you actually try to say something after the -b?
[07:51] <Tm_T> it's not the same
[07:51] <Tm_T> IIRC never been exactly the same
[07:52] <Flannel> Tm_T: The ircd-seven for hyperion users faq said they were translated to be equivalent, or something similar to that.
[07:52] <Flannel> Ah, no, it said that it no longer translates them.
[07:53] <Flannel> I knew I read something about that.
[07:53] <Tm_T> (:
[07:53] <Flannel> Bantracker still translates them.  That's unfortunate.
[07:53] <Tm_T> bronaugh: please confirm you can talk in the channel, and if you can, then you're free to leave this channel
[07:56] <bronaugh> yeah, it's fine.
[07:56] <Tm_T> jolly good
[07:57] <bronaugh> thanks again.
[11:29] <ikonia> I'm talking to pythonsnake in pm (if he responds)
[11:52] <ikonia> Pythonsnake responded well in pm, took the guidelines URL and genuninly appears to have read it, so there should be an improvement in his contribution
[12:50] <bazhang> already complaining about 11.10
[12:52] <bazhang> xvilo and comics same IP
[13:19] <Pici> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/ is rather handy.  /me bookmarks
[13:19] <ikonia> agreed
[13:20] <ikonia> Pici: not very handy if the person you've just given it to doesn't read it
[13:20] <Pici> ikonia: can you help me answer that last question, I'm not familiar with PCI compliance. I think I remember seeing you field a question on it previously.
[13:21] <ikonia> yes, sure, sorry, I wasn't paying attention
[13:21] <Pici> ikonia: thats why I asked here ;)
[13:41] <bazhang> seems an odd way to remove older kernels
[13:41] <ikonia> I suspect he's removed the package somehow and it's not picked up the file
[13:51] <bazhang> pythonsnake is telling every user to PM him for support
[13:52] <ikonia> yes, I've spoke to him about it earlier
[14:28] <bazhang> anyone got a clue what dood is saying?
[14:45] <ikonia> hello there BluesKaj
[14:47] <BluesKaj> hi ikonia ..is there some kind of personal dislike amongst some members here ..I see a lot of picky coments about off topic talk when there little conversation in the chat
[14:48] <ikonia> which channel/where
[14:48] <ikonia> I've not been paying %100 attention, so you'll need to fill me in, and be a little specific if possible
[14:48] <BluesKaj> #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[14:48] <ikonia> ok, what's happened and when
[14:48] <ikonia> I've not seen anything in #ubuntu while I was active, so just offer the details
[14:50] <BluesKaj> between em and tsimpson ...tsimpson seems to ahgve an "attitude"  that I haven't seen before . Personally i think new linux users find that discouraging
[14:50] <ikonia> BluesKaj: people are playing games and trying to be a problem in the channel, so on occasion you have to be direct/to the point/%100 clear
[14:51] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I agree it's not useful and it won't be continuing
[14:51] <BluesKaj> undesrtood but I saw no game playing
[14:51] <ikonia> yes, that's the intetion
[14:51] <ikonia> emma / em is a long term problem user in the #ubuntu channels, and is for some reason upset about something and trying to make a point
[14:52] <ikonia> all this has happened in other channels and now #ubuntu is being used to play games
[14:52] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: me and em have been discussing the issues already
[14:52] <ikonia> it will stop
[14:52] <BluesKaj> anyway ..a personal observation... a little levity doesn't hurt occasionally when the chat isn't busy
[14:52] <ikonia> BluesKaj: agreed,
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ok thanks ikonia , that's all I have to say
[15:05] <bazhang> genii-around, congrats! and an email from sabdfl himself as well!
[15:05] <genii-around> bazhang: Thanks
[15:06]  * genii-around ponders the "somewhat dubious" part
[15:17] <em> Hi
[15:17] <ikonia> hello
[15:17] <bazhang> hi
[15:18] <em> I do not accept that this is true:
[15:18] <ikonia> what?
[15:19] <em> ikonia: emma/em is a long term problem user in the #ubuntu channels, and is for some reason upset about something and trying to make a point
[15:19] <ikonia> ok - don't accept it
[15:19] <em> I could just as well say you are a long term problem in #ubuntu channels and be equally correct.
[15:19] <ikonia> if you want, that's fine
[15:19] <em> Thanks then. :)
[15:19] <ikonia> ok, bye
[15:19] <em> Okay sure one moment.
[15:38]  * Pici passes out a bottle of aspirin to everyone
[15:39] <bazhang> dood! where's my aspirin!
[15:40] <mneptok> Pici: why is the pill you handed me labelled "Drano?"
[15:40] <bazhang> :0
[15:44] <Pici> mneptok: its a special pill just for you
[15:44] <bazhang> dont even remember his issue, lost the link
[15:45] <mneptok> Pici: i feel the love ;)
[15:50] <LjL> DOOD, do you realize the channel has 1500 people and it's hard enough to follow it without people flooding and demanding immediate answers?
[15:50] <DOOD> well
[15:51] <DOOD> i have been waiting for the links to a forum u know
[15:51] <DOOD> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:51] <DOOD> for along time
[15:52] <DOOD> ok. LjL
[15:52] <LjL> DOOD: people can be busy or whatever. anyway, we have a first problem i can see here
[15:52] <LjL> !enter
[15:53] <LjL> the best way to keep #ubuntu the least busy is to ask an articulate question on one line, and reply on one line
[15:53] <LjL> think about what you need to say, and then say it and press enter when you're ready - don't follow it with a trail of other stuff
[15:53] <DOOD> what do u mean enter key
[15:53] <LjL> the Return key. the key that lets you send a line.
[15:53] <maco> DOOD: return
[15:54] <DOOD> so can i speak to dazhang
[15:54] <LjL> i don't know whether bazhang is busy now or not, but meanwhile i want you to check out these factoids before you're allowed back into #ubuntu
[15:54] <LjL> !etiquette > DOOD
[15:55] <genii-around> DOOD: For instance, what you wrote here earlier in five lines where you hit enter five times, starting with: "well" on a line of it's own, and ending with" "ok. LjL"  could have been written together at once, then hit the Enter key only at the end of it all.
[16:02] <bazhang> now in #ubuntu
[16:02] <Pici> who?
[16:03] <Pici> nevermind.
[16:03] <Pici> thanks mneptok
[16:04] <mneptok> yessah
[16:04] <LjL> dood, are you stoned?
[16:04] <LjL> whops
[16:04] <LjL> that was to pici :)
[16:04] <LjL> dooood: please don't try rejoining #ubuntu until the issue is resolved
[16:04] <doood> what do u mean
[16:05] <mneptok> doood: changing your nick to avoid a ban
[16:05] <LjL> i mean you are currently banned from #ubuntu and redirected to here, and you're not supposed to attempt rejoining #ubuntu using other nicknames and stuff
[16:05] <doood> because what did i do
[16:05] <mneptok> doood: you just did it. you know you did it. please do not insult our intelligence by feigning ignorance.
[16:05] <doood> ok
[16:05] <mneptok> thank you.
[16:05] <doood> but what else did i do
[16:06] <LjL> doood: i've tried to explain what you did, and until i'm sure you've got it, i won't remove the ban
[16:06] <LjL> doood: you kept asking and asking again for something, *demanding* it be provided
[16:06] <doood> could u explain again plz
[16:06] <LjL> doood: you're simply not supposed to do that in #ubuntu
[16:06] <doood> i stopped afterwords
[16:06] <doood> when i was DOOD
[16:07] <LjL> doood: ask a question, in ONE line, have some patience, and if there is no answer, ask again later (let at least 10 minutes or so pass), again in ONE line without saying things like "did you see my question"
[16:07] <LjL> doood: yes, you stopped because you were banned ;)
[16:07] <doood> plz uplift the ban
[16:07] <LjL> doood: only if it's clear that you understand the rules. have you read the !etiquette thing i sent you?
[16:08] <doood> yes and i am sorry
[16:08] <mneptok> LjL: i'm off for a confcall. the ban i set is all yours to remove, if you wish.
[16:08] <LjL> doood: another small thing, please type in full words. "plz" and "u" may not be clear to non-native speakers of english, of which #ubuntu has a large number
[16:08] <LjL> mneptok: ok
[16:09] <doood> ok
[16:09] <doood> please you
[16:09] <LjL> doood: you need to understand now that if i remove the ban, you won't be cut ANY more slack. you're supposed to know the rules now. if you misbehave again, you will be banned for much longer.
[16:09] <doood> ok understood
[16:10] <doood> but can i change my username back to DOOD
[16:10] <bazhang> yes
[16:10] <LjL> doood: you can change it to whatever you want, although i personally think it's important to maintain a single identity on freenode
[16:10] <LjL> doood: the ban has been removed
[16:10] <doood> thanks
[16:11] <ikonia> I've seen that "well" <cr> before
[16:12] <LjL> (i also prefer not to have to chase my highlights, but i thought i wouldn't tell him that)
[17:51] <Tm_T> hi COOLDOOD, can we help you with something?
[17:58] <COOLDOOD> can i speak to LjL
[17:59] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: you've just spent 15 minutes discussing this with me
[17:59] <ikonia> you can take a break for a day and come back after you've absorbed what I told you
[18:00] <ikonia> if LjL is available you're welcome to speak to him
[18:01] <COOLDOOD> please un ban me
[18:01] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: come back in 24 hours - I explained things in great detail to you
[18:02] <ikonia> if you keep asking, I'll assume you've not understood what I explained to you and ask that you take longer to consider it
[18:02] <COOLDOOD> bur iwant wireless internet quickly
[18:02] <ikonia> I understand that
[18:02] <COOLDOOD> within at most1 hour
[18:02] <ikonia> but maybe your need is clouding how you should behave, ljl spent time explaining it, and I've just done it again
[18:02] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: less haste = more speed
[18:03] <COOLDOOD> ok i uderstood very quickly i do 1 more bad thing and ban me 4ever
[18:03] <ikonia> no
[18:03] <ikonia> I've explained it to you in pm for 15 minutes - no
[18:03] <COOLDOOD> ineed wirless quick
[18:04] <ikonia> you can come back to tomorrow when you've thought it through
[18:04] <COOLDOOD> come on with a pat on the back
[18:04] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: no - please stop asking. We'll see you in 24 hours if you wish
[18:04] <COOLDOOD> i wish2 minutes
[18:05] <ikonia> no, 24 hours
[18:05] <COOLDOOD> 10 hours
[18:05] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: it's not a negotion
[18:05] <ikonia> negotiation
[18:06] <COOLDOOD> but u dont know how i feel so upset an crying
[18:06] <ikonia> I'm sorry about that
[18:06] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: I think we are done now - I'll speak to you (or anyone in this channel) in 24 hours
[18:06] <nhandler> COOLDOOD: I would suggest parting this channel and waiting until tomorrow as ikonia has requested
[18:06] <ikonia> please try to consider the information LjL gave you
[18:07] <COOLDOOD> i swear iam crying now
[18:07]  * LjL rolls eyes until they fall out
[18:08] <ikonia> LjL: you're welcome to give him more time, I've just tried for 15 minutes in pm
[18:08] <LjL> eh, my own PM was long enough
[18:08] <ikonia> fair enough
[18:08] <Pici> I think you both handled it well here.
[18:09] <ikonia> I'll take and appreciate the compliment
[18:09] <LjL> :)
[18:17] <mneptok> the users that *really* need networking support aren't asking for it on IRC, as IRC require a functioning network connection *somewhere*
[18:18] <mneptok> and i can assure you, people that have paid for a support contract from Canonical have far, far fewer constraints on their behavior than do IRC users. be as rude or demanding as you want. you paid good money.
[18:20] <ikonia> I wouldn't take that attitude from paying customers
[18:22] <genii-around> Me either
[18:24] <mneptok> Canonical does not pay support engineers to teach etiquette. you're paid to solve problems. if a customer becomes unmanageable, that's why there's management. :)
[18:25] <charlie-tca> true in most customer support positions
[18:25] <genii-around> customer: $^%#@!!!    tech: Let me patch you through to my supervisor
[18:28] <mneptok> genii-around: better - "I'm sorry. I did not quite hear that. Could you repeat it?"
[18:28] <mneptok> (most people won't repeat it)
[19:14] <oCean> DOOD: what's up?
[19:15] <DOOD> is LjL around
[19:15] <oCean> I think you where told to return tomorrow
[19:16] <oCean> DOOD: if there's nothing else, you can part now
[19:17] <DOOD> unban please
[19:17] <oCean> not now - you where told what to do
[19:17] <DOOD> u cant just do it 4 me
[19:19] <DOOD> can u sole a problem with my wir;ess stick
[19:19] <DOOD> solve wireless
[19:19] <mneptok> DOOD: you will not be unbanned for at least 24h. that is non-negotiable. continuing to /join this channel and ask will result in increases to 48h, 72h etc. evetually the ban will become permanent if you do not stop asking.
[19:19] <genii-around> DOOD: When one operator has banned you and says "come back in 24 hours" .. another operator will not unban you before the original one would have.
[19:20] <DOOD> ok but can u solve aproblem 4 me
[19:20] <mneptok> no. this is not a support channel.
[19:20] <DOOD> so what is ? the one i got banned from ?
[19:21] <mneptok> DOOD: yes. #ubuntu is the support channel.
[19:21] <DOOD> oh bye
[19:22] <mneptok> DOOD: please "/part #ubuntu-ops" until tomorrow.
[19:23] <DOOD> ok
[19:23]  * mneptok resets the timer
[19:23] <mneptok> wagers? anyone?
[19:24] <genii-around> I give em maybe 2 hours
[19:25] <genii-around> mneptok: Since it will be midnight in their timezone in about 1 hour 45 minutes, my bet is they return like 1 minute after midnight local time hoping ban auto-expires
[19:27] <mneptok> 24h != tomorrow
[19:27] <mneptok> but i'll bet you're right.
[19:58]  * popey spies DOOD turn up in -uk
[19:58] <popey> (joined and left)
[19:58] <Pici> :(
[20:12]  * jpds wonders how useful usr13 really is.
[20:33] <ikonia> why is it when you help people and ask questions to get them the help they need, they ignore them and give you other random bits of information that's just usless and do random things like reboot in the middle of debugging
[20:34] <jpds> ikonia: Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[20:34] <ikonia> he's doing that on his own :)
[20:34] <jpds> He knows what a button looks like?
[20:37] <genii-around> ikonia: I had that lots before. My usual response is something like: When you suddenly begin improvising on what you think you need to do, it makes it much more difficult to assist
[20:38] <Pici> If I had a nickel for every time I saw ikonia write "thats not the command I asked you to run"...
[20:38] <genii-around> Heh
[20:45] <genii-around> ikonia: It looks like md127 is a fallback name when there is a problem, as the link i posted indicates
[20:45] <ikonia> yes
[20:45] <ikonia> already tried to explain that to him
[20:45] <ikonia> just seen your link too
[20:52] <ikonia> hello shockrates
[20:55] <ikonia> shockrates: do you need/want something ?
[20:58] <ikonia> shockrates: hello ?
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[22:40] <bazhang> hey
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> can we support users whom make custom ISOs using remastersyst?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> *remastersys
[22:41] <bazhang> its a PPA so no
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> i see
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> cheers man
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> :)
[23:30] <jpds> Cheers? Where's the beer?
[23:31] <knome> jpds, it's in the fridge
[23:52]  * nhandler isn't seeing it on fridge.ubuntu.com
[23:55] <knome> nhandler, in *my* fridge ;)