[00:21] wildly off-topic, anyone ever click the accessibility 'feature' on capatchas hoping it'll be more useful than the alphabet soup, and marvel at the results? [00:25] haha, no [00:25] * BigRedS looks for a captcha [00:26] the one on the signup for a google account hurts my head [00:29] http://kotaku.com/5816423/when-katamari-damacy-and-minecraft-collide [00:33] oh boy [00:33] that could be interesting in multiplayer [00:34] my best attempt at making sense of google's capatcha - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssm4RVw8MOo [00:49] :) [01:13] If you have hyperthreading turned on, and top says it's using 50%, does that mean your using 50% of the physical core, or 50% of the HT core? [01:15] Azelphur, top treats hyperthreads as physical cores [01:15] cool [01:15] i.e. quadcore with ht shows as 8 cores [01:15] but will likely never go over 50% load, due to HT [01:15] so if I've got 4 processes using ~60% I'm pretty much ok to add another 4 processes also using 60% :P [01:20] not sure about google's new look. funny feeling it's going to 'mesh' well with some of the ubuntu themes tho (eg, those that have dark toolbars) [01:21] shauno: that's why I don't use firefox, it tries to skin the web with my gnome theme, doesn't work very well [01:21] I use chrome instead, it doesn't do that \o/ [01:24] oh, not as well as I thought [01:24] http://cl.ly/2s2U1f3o140W1R3H0L0G [01:31] what on earth is "apps available for download" in the bfb? === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [01:43] http://cl.ly/3E0s3t0f1b0U392h1P2d I'm not entirely sure why it's offering me "kde collectd database-viewer". that's a pretty odd list [04:36] things that happen during a recession : women are having sex with there husbands because they cant afford batteries [04:40] dragonkeeper: I really don't think that's an appropriate comment for this channel. [04:42] it was quiet [04:42] dragonkeeper: it was a sexist, in appropriate comment [04:43] *inappropriate [06:35] it was indeed [06:35] morning all [07:37] http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 need 21 more people to like this then it can have a vanity URL [07:47] shauno: did you only just install unity or what? [07:48] I don't use guis on linux very often [07:48] "apps available for download" is a search function. try typing in the name of a program you don't have installed [07:48] because they make me want to throw my shoes at my screen [07:48] it's not supposed to show up unless you start searching [07:48] interesting. I don't believe I was searching for anything [07:49] yes. it's a bug [07:50] JGJones: i got jabber-terminal working but it isn't very good [07:50] doesn't really work with apps that move the cursor around [07:51] it's really simple anyway though [07:53] I don't like that apps available for download stuff [07:53] i do [07:53] makes it harder to find the stuff you actually have [07:53] it's a lot better than having to use software centre [07:53] unity already made it impossible to find stuff you already have :( [07:53] if you want it to be easy switch back to gnome classic [07:54] or put that stuff on the launcher [07:54] yeah, have done on my main laptop as unity broke because I dared to change something in ccsm and because it doesn't do multi-monitors [07:54] "available apps" doesn't show up in the main dash anyway [07:55] not unless you click "more apps" first [07:55] it should do though [07:55] it's just another way in which unity is inconsistent with even itself [07:55] i don't know why i'm even still using it tbh [07:56] if you click the bfb, then use the categories dropdown that doesn't look like a dropdown [07:57] what's a bfb? [07:57] best friends button? [07:57] then you find all your old friendly categories [07:57] big button top left [07:57] oh you mean the big button that's smaller than all the buttons on the launcher? [07:57] yes [07:57] thats the one [07:57] it is called the BFB [07:58] you mean shortcuts? [07:58] i don't see categories [07:58] top right of the dark brown window is a dropdown, gives you an unthemed grey list of categories [07:58] ali1234, it's a first release so expected crappiness ;-) - how does it work with line by line output (ie as I would expect from something like cu)? [07:59] it doesn't [07:59] JGJones: it doesn't work with any app that keeps on outputing actually [07:59] it seems to wait for the program to exit first [07:59] AlanBell: dark brown window?? [07:59] ah pity - guess it still need more work - no idea if it's in active development [08:00] AlanBell: you mean: click "more apps" then click the "v" on the right end of the search box? [08:01] maybe, I don't have it in front of me right now [08:03] ali1234, it say "All Applications" and a down-arrow in a circle to the right of it - click on this to get categories [08:04] sorry...memory failed me - no circle, just a V [08:05] sounds about right [08:05] then it shows you a small selection of stuff you might have, then an equal amount of stuff you don't have [08:06] well yeah [08:06] i mean, why are you guys just noticing this now? [08:06] i've been saying this for two months [08:06] the available apps thing *is* good when you searcht hough [08:06] because you don't have to know if the app is installed or not [08:07] ali1234: except it also lists uninstalled apps if you don't have admin-rights [08:07] ali1234: complaining about that gets you a "BUT IT'S A FEATURE!!!!" reply [08:07] it just shouldn't show up until you search, and this is a known bug, one of the few problems that are actually acknowledged [08:08] MartijnVdS: well ok i'll add that one to my list of things to complain about [08:08] ali1234: I did know about that a while back [08:08] no point showing it if the user isn't in sudoers [08:08] AlanBell: so you're just complaining now that the shiny has worn off? [08:09] i guess now we know exactly how long that takes :) [08:09] no, I complained at the time [08:09] then it broke [08:10] the default lens should just be apps installed grouped by category [08:10] no, the default lens should be what it is now except you should be able to replace the 8 default icons with anything you want [08:11] the thing with 6 *huge* buttons does nothing that I want to do [08:11] 8 then [08:11] 8 huge icons [08:11] and yeah it literally has nothing i want on it [08:11] and i did say this tw months ago too [08:11] but again nobody listened [08:12] actually it's probably longer than two months now [08:12] yeah, echo chamber stuff [08:12] I listened [08:13] none of the bugs have been fixed either [08:15] and i don't mean design bugs [08:16] i mean stuff like firefox rejecting user input, the window not having a title bar, menus that disappear when you move the mouse over them [08:17] Try running calibre on oneiric [08:17] what's calibre? [08:17] "itunes for ebooks" [08:17] oh yeah that [08:17] why, what happens? [08:18] Sometimes you get the app/window [08:18] but un-maximize it, and it'll disappear [08:18] nothing will react to clicks [08:18] gtk-window-decorator crashes [08:18] ah yeah, get some of that on natty with certain apps [08:18] and STDERR of the app will complain about 16777216x16777216 window size being max [08:19] I wish I had a 16777216x16777216 screen ;)_ [08:19] it seems like annoying existing customers in order to attract a different user base is all the rage at the moment [08:19] everyone is doing it [08:20] replace the existing UI that mostly works with something new written from scratch that is incredibly annoying, buggy, and needs much higher hardware requirements to run [08:21] and also don't bother to fix any of the older bugs in the stuff that you do keep [08:21] and at the same time introduce an app store or some other kind of shop the extract more money from users === daubers_ is now known as daubers [08:32] Morning [08:39] Morning all [08:41] howdy [08:41] hola [08:53] Must be coffee time [08:53] COFFEE!!! [08:53] I know, shocking behaviour isn't it [08:54] I've managed to get our newbie to go get coffee, woo [08:59] thunderbird with the conversation plugin really is nice [09:02] Morning all [09:02] morning [09:03] morning popeypet and gord [09:03] * popey tickles Gary [09:07] morning all [09:07] Good morning peeps :) [09:07] morning [09:07] Hullo! [09:11] when all this is over, Ill go on a road/train/biketrip with constantly changing scenery [09:12] Guys and Girls, 11.04 running here, want to run 4-5 VM's on desktop.. thoughts on Virtualbox or using KVM ? [09:13] i would use virtualbox personally [09:13] others swear by kvm [09:14] VirtualBox works for me [09:14] Though I have no experience of KVM [09:16] KVM works well on servers but lacks some of the UX features of VirtualBox. Conversely VBox lacks some of the server features of KVM ;-) [09:22] Cool, thanks guys, virtual box it is [09:22] Anyone know how it takes having a different amount of ram added later ? [09:22] Boss is upgrading memory in my PC so i can run more VM's [09:23] You can configure each VM to have a different amount of memory [09:23] And this can be altered later [09:23] Same goes for any of the virtual hardware [09:23] nah I mean the host, doesn't mind having different memory allocated later [09:24] No, it won't care [09:26] morning all [09:26] cheers [09:35] :) [09:42] if you didn't know [or couldn't get to the meeting last night] we have an approval pad you can add stuff too - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval [09:50] ooo oanother quiet day [10:07] MooDoo: boo! [10:08] danfish, aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrghhhh [10:08] :) [10:09] "aaaaaarrggghhhh" - is it national talk like a pirate day again? [10:09] No, 19th September that be [10:10] * AlanBell is on a train [10:10] bigcalm: aye aye [10:10] AlanBell: where are ya headed to? [10:11] cabinet office first, then Home office in the afternoon [10:12] AlanBell: good luck - you might need it :/ [10:12] danfish, no you said boo and i was scared [10:13] AlanBell, don't shout at them too much [10:13] MooDoo: sorry - and after the donner und blitzen yesterday [10:14] lol [10:18] convincing Sir Humphrey of the value of Software Freedom [10:19] :D [10:19] I will also be telling them of the danger of Open Source increasing the risk of zombie invasions [10:27] http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 4 people like this [10:27] maybe facebook isn't the answer! [10:28] maybe people didn't know about the page. [10:28] Is that all of us who were in the meeting yesterday having now liked it? [10:28] and everyone who didn't see its inception still hasn't? [10:29] probably [10:29] I don't know how you are supporsed to see these things [10:29] 7 people now [10:29] I've just shared it and asked people to like it so we hit the 25 we need for a vanity url [10:29] :) [10:30] I think it relies on people seeing their friends liking things [10:30] diplo, 9 :) [10:31] grumble. making me log into facebook twice in one month. [10:32] shauno: yeah, I know what you mean [10:32] ach, you'll be won over yet :) [10:32] #stopwhining ;) [10:32] pmsl even my boss has liked the page ;) [10:32] #wrongsocialnetworkingsite :) [10:33] it doesn't seem to be the right tool for middle aged blokes with no social life [10:33] that's just doubled your likes. perhaps irc is the more effective networking ;) [10:33] IRC works fine [10:33] IRC works and so does facebook [10:33] Ah, I have many friends who wont even email :( [10:34] my teenage cousins use it loads [10:34] BigRedS: that's the main reason I use facebook at all. I've far too much family who have forgotten how to email [10:34] they say things like "aww, I feel crap" and they get 20 comments on it [10:34] I started on facebook as 75% of people I used to chat on MSN only use FB now [10:34] last time I tried to ignore it, my mother got a new surname without me noticing [10:34] And only put images on there now [10:35] well i'm getting all my friends likeing the page, we'll get that decent URL yet :) [10:35] diplo: but not with KDE [10:36] lol AlanBell :) [10:36] nobody uses kde anyway [10:37] I don't get stuff like this http://www.facebook.com/Intel [10:37] why would 1.8 million people like intel on Facebook [10:37] they've got a clip with the madagascar penguins in it! [10:37] if you are not an employee or parter [10:37] * BigRedS likes intel [10:38] 14yo girls must be a growth market for them [10:38] come to think of it, I am a partner and I don't like them on Facebook [10:41] AlanBell, a lot of these companies do a like us and you get entered to a competition [10:41] I wonder how facebook would look if dislike was ever implemented [10:41] like you could go round disliking evil companies etc [10:42] -like [10:44] diplo: ok, intresting [10:45] can you make content only available to people who like you? [10:47] yeah [10:48] there was a whole spate of 'like this to see the rest' a while ago [10:49] well, I'm sure intel feels better now that it has more friends than me [10:51] haha [10:51] buy computer, unbox, yay it works, must go make friends on facebook wtih the manufacturer of the CPU [10:51] well, we are asking them to do that with their OS :) [10:51] call me odd, but I don't get how that is a mainstream thing to do [10:52] BigRedS: kind of, but more a community [10:52] an intel user group of PCB hdesigners I could totally understand [10:54] * MattJ wonders at the nonsensical prices of 2.5" HDDs on the Maplin website [10:54] I'm happy to just admit I'm too old for this and carry on with my life :) [10:55] I think sometimes maplins price for amusement rather than competetiveness [10:56] 120GB - £49.99, 160GB - £54.99, 320GB - £39.99, 640GB - £54.99 [10:56] I think you may be right [10:57] MattJ: I don't think I would ever buy a disk from maplin ;) [10:58] The one I have now has been working fine for 3 years :) [11:01] I just don't view maplin as a computer bits shop [11:02] so I'd be concerned about warranties [11:02] well, custoemr service, especiall wrt warranties [11:02] Maplin are extremely expensive - I consider it paying for the convnience of being able to walk there to get components. [11:03] Ok, you know somewhere cheaper for good laptop HDDs? [11:03] MattJ: Tesco were selling 250 GB external disks for about 20 GBP recently. [11:03] Heh [11:04] Maplin do replace dead parts :) [11:04] I'd just look up a particular size on froogle and compare various shops, assuming they were compatible, or choose a model number which is compatible and find the cheapest. [11:04] but I wouldn't use them still :D [11:04] hamitron: yeah, but the manufacturer warranty should allow for that also [11:05] yeh, I just took it into the shop and they shipped another to me [11:05] yeah, the issue is going to the shop you got it from and persuading them to talk to the manufacturer [11:05] in some ways it was easier, because I didn't have to repackage it [11:06] finally got my z68 + sandy bridge gfx working on ubuntu. horrible crashing thing it was. [11:06] worked fine with h67 + sandy bridge.. something with the z68 and gpu power saving [11:06] exobuzz: nice [11:06] :) [11:06] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38492 [11:06] ace, exobuzz [11:06] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 38492 in Video(DRI - Intel) "sandy bridge gpu crash on z68 chipset (related to power saving)" [High,New] [11:06] nasty comment out code hack ;-) [11:07] hopefully a proper fix can be found. i wonder though. is it a) kernel bug b) mb bug or c) another intel chipset bug [11:07] reminds me of the issues I had with USB-attached disks [11:08] still no actual fix, I just had to stop it idling [11:08] got timeouts/disconnects ? [11:08] exobuzz: yeah, details at http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/04/28/usb-attached-disk-hangs/ [11:10] oops, forgot to include the link to the comment [11:10] dwatkins, could also try http://malus.exotica.org.uk/kernel/0001-reverted-b963801164618e25fbdc0cd452ce49c3628b46c8.patch which solved it for me on my server with usb and disconnects. [11:10] there is a new patch on usb mailinglist instead of this manual revert also, but im still currently using this as ive not tested the new thing [11:10] thanks exobuzz :) I corrected the link to the comment also [11:11] I'm guessing I'd need to recompile the driver for that fix. [11:12] dwatkins, yeh. heres it on bugzilla. it fixed similar problems for other people also https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32432 [11:12] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 32432 in USB "USB Disconnects / resets after commit b963801164618e25fbdc0cd452ce49c3628b46c8" [Normal,New] [11:12] cheers exobuzz [11:14] Is there no way to download a directory from the ubuntu one website? [11:14] "doesn't stay idle for long" suggests it doesn't let the drive sleep much [11:14] dwatkins, the launchpad bug you reference, i posted there and a couple of people told me it fixed it then [11:14] nice, exobuzz [11:18] dwatkins, one more thing sorry. this is a patch from one of the usb kernel guys in replacement of my revert that fixes it also for at least one person. ive not tested myself http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/48304 [11:19] exobuzz: no worries, I'll take a look - thanks again [12:55] WAKE UP EVERYONE! [12:55] * JamesTait yawns [12:55] No. Don't want to. [12:55] * JamesTait goes back to sleep. [12:57] popey, YESSIR!!!! [12:57] popey: it's all rather futile [12:57] * MartijnVdS snores a bit louder [12:57] But then, that's life in general [12:58] bigcalm: Here's me, brain the size of a planet.... [12:59] * bigcalm goes to stick his head in a pig [12:59] oink [12:59] * popey gets a diamond sword [13:07] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-13949070 [13:07] i wonder if kataminey damacraft works in multiplayer... [13:08] heh [13:09] thats quite bonkers, i had never heard of that game before this week [13:09] which game? [13:10] kd [13:10] kataminey damacraft [13:10] Oh dear [13:11] katamari damacy is an institution! [13:11] Na, na na na na na, na na na na na na... [13:12] and thanks to Dave2 for a useful non-goat interjection! [13:16] directhex: It certainly is cool [13:17] Blasted SORBS database [13:17] Na, na na na na na, na na na na na na... [13:21] * bigcalm resists queuing up some Katamari Damacy [13:21] * daubers wonders what would happen if he made his backup mx server the primary mx server [13:22] will it relay correctly, or will it fail [13:23] ARGH [13:23] depends what you've told it to do :) [13:23] i have the katamari damacy soundtrack in my head [13:23] directhex: bwuhahaha [13:23] BigRedS: It was some time ago I set it up, it should just relay [13:24] bigcalm, they won't leave! my brain is populated by John the Dog, Bigmouth the Duck, Yuuhi the Crow, Pe the Goat, Booby the Pig, Sexy the Cat & Nyuu the Cow [13:24] Heh [13:25] The sound track is fun fun fun [13:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ucXQ6SamLE [13:26] Damn you [13:26] It does not mix well with http://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune [13:26] is that the complete list of participants? i thought there was an elephant [13:28] directhex: nellie the elephant? [13:29] Packed her trunk and said good bye to the circus [13:29] of she went with a trumpety trump [13:29] Tump trump trump [13:33] MartijnVdS, one of my sons favourite songs that is......:) [13:33] toy dolls version [13:33] MooDoo: reminds me of lots of drunk nights [13:34] MartijnVdS, the other song is the blitzkrieg bop by the ramones, he loves singing hay ho lets go hay ho lets go [13:35] MooDoo: hah, a real music lover then :) [13:36] MartijnVdS, lol it's the only two proper songs he really likes, although he sometimes in keen on iron maiden lol [13:37] MooDoo: do you have him wear dirty leather jackets as well? :P [13:39] Martinp23, only when we go to rock concerts......2.5 years isn't to young for that is it? [13:39] lol [13:39] MooDoo: haha :) [13:57] afternoon all [13:57] I've had a google,but doesanyoneknow of a way to rsync to mutiple destinations in parallel? [13:57] how do I know what version of ubuntu (32 bit or 64 bit) I'm using? [13:58] andrewebdev, "uname -m" [13:58] thx :0 [13:58] :) * [13:59] erm no idea what i686 means [13:59] andrewebdev: 32bit [13:59] ok thx [14:01] ubuntu is i686 now? [14:01] 32-bit Ubuntu, yes [14:01] damn [14:01] :( [14:01] most my machines are i586 [14:01] i686 doesn't even mean anything anyway [14:01] hamitron: you're still using first-generation Pentiums? [14:01] hamitron: or Pentium MMXes? [14:02] hamitron: post 10.04 it was dropped iirc [14:02] or K6-2 [14:02] or VIA C3 [14:02] or SiS 550 [14:02] or AMD Geode [14:02] modern VIA C3s are i686 minus SSE2-3 [14:02] afaik [14:03] my VIA C3 won't run i686 only code [14:03] so in other words not i686 [14:03] Time for 21st century hardware [14:03] My VIA C7 does run 10.04 server [14:03] oh well, my mind is made up now [14:03] haha [14:03] no ubuntu :/ [14:03] time to drop ubuntu [14:03] yeh [14:04] funroll-loops.org? [14:04] or whatever it was called [14:04] it has moved on to be something I don't need for my stuff [14:04] http://funroll-loops.info/ [14:04] LinuxFromScratch FTW! [14:04] TheOpenSourcerer: that is my last option [14:04] holy false dichotomy batman [14:04] well, not last [14:04] :) [14:04] if you don't want to use ubuntu clearly the only choice is LFS [14:04] http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/ubuntu-demonstrated-running-on-galaxy-tab-10-1-summarily-dubbed/ [14:05] because nobody else could possibly make an easy to use distro [14:05] and certainly not without compiling it for i686 [14:05] and requiring everyone to have 3d hardware [14:05] slackware is easy to use, think it is i486 [14:05] such a thing would be unthinkable [14:05] even considering it would drive any programmer mad [14:06] 10.04 runs on i586 ok then? [14:06] My VIA C7 does run 10.04 server [14:06] C7 is i686 [14:06] i bet newer versions do too [14:06] gcc sucks so much it hardly ever uses i686 instructions even if you tell it to [14:06] hehe [14:06] I know CentOS 5.x won't run [14:06] :/ [14:07] or Arch [14:07] for example meego is "compiled" for only core2+ [14:07] but the only places where those instructions turn up is where they are hand coded in assembly [14:07] in the whole distro [14:07] hehe [14:07] and i know because i wrote a tool to disassemble every single binary in the whole thing and scan for them [14:07] ali1234: CentOS just fails to boot [14:08] dunno if it was an instruction, or just a cpu check at startup [14:08] one of the only packages that uses c2 instructions on meego is glibc which has hard cded assembly [14:08] and of course without glibc you can't run anything at all [14:08] none of the high level stuff uses it [14:08] it's almost like they want to force people to buy intel hardware if they want to use meego [14:09] "coded by a coder from intel" [14:09] ;) [14:09] well yeah [14:09] nearly all of meego is coded by coders from intel [14:09] the rest is coded by coders who used to work for nokia :) [14:09] I think I'd better get busy [14:10] got a distro to design [14:10]