[00:55] <snap-l> ANyone encypting their home directory
[00:56] <snap-l> (and would be willing to present at MUG)
[01:10] <snap-l> Blazeix: YOu around?
[02:06] <rick_h__> brousch_: awesome on the talk!
[02:07] <rick_h__> so anyone have a google+ invite to try out?
[03:13] <snap-l> Not I
[13:52] <rick_h__> sssshhhhh
[13:52] <rick_h__> you guys are quiet today
[13:55] <brousch> we're working!
[13:56] <rick_h__> psh
[13:56] <rick_h__> party party!
[14:02] <brousch> i get to join you in the presenters' lounge at pyohio
[14:03] <snap-l> I was up at 6am this morning to go help my father in law
[14:04] <snap-l> He has parkinsons disease and managed to get stuch
[14:04] <snap-l> stuck
[14:04] <brousch> doh
[14:04] <brousch> did you extricate him?
[14:04] <snap-l> Well, JoDee's brother managed to do the extrication
[14:04] <snap-l> but we still drove across town to help
[14:05] <snap-l> This is not a sustainable proposition
[14:05] <rick_h__> ruh roh
[14:05] <snap-l> Yeah, fun fun
[14:06] <snap-l> so I'm a little tired and cranky
[14:06] <rick_h__> double ruh roh
[14:06] <rick_h__> brousch: yea cool, I don't recall if there was a speaker lounge before
[14:06] <brousch> my grandma paid us a surprise visit last night. i had to hastily construct a ramp for her wheelchair to get her into the house
[14:06] <rick_h__> but we'll startone
[14:07] <rick_h__> well, I'll add feel good side: my grandma made us german pancakes for 2nd breakfast with strawberry preserves and whip cream
[14:07] <rick_h__> yummy
[14:07] <rick_h__> but I have to start prepping for 11hrs inthe car tonight...ugh
[14:07] <rick_h__> I'll catch up to snap-l tomorrow
[14:07] <snap-l> Have a fun ride, eh?
[14:08] <rick_h__> will tonight
[14:08] <rick_h__> head back into town in time to catch the holiday weekend
[14:10] <snap-l> Woo hoo!
[14:10] <snap-l> Also found out last week that my boss is moving on
[14:10] <snap-l> and that I get a new boss, who has already sent me a cryptic linkedin request
[14:10] <snap-l> Hope you enjoy [redacted] project
[14:11] <snap-l> which means nothing to me at this point
[14:11] <snap-l> Hey, Unity upgrade
[14:11] <snap-l> wonder if they fixed anything
[14:12] <bmcmahon> anyone remember what $? is in bash
[14:16] <snap-l> Not offhand
[14:16] <snap-l> Though I think it's the return code of the previous command, if memory serves
[14:17] <snap-l> root@lister:~# false
[14:17] <snap-l> root@lister:~# echo $?
[14:17] <snap-l> 1
[14:17] <snap-l> root@lister:~# true
[14:17] <snap-l> root@lister:~# echo $?
[14:17] <snap-l> 0
[14:28] <snap-l> Odd, just got an email verification for linkedin on my gmail
[14:29] <snap-l> which is not tied to linkedin, afaict
[14:42] <bmcmahon> that does look to be the case
[14:45] <snap-l> There's some Perl love on O'Reilly's site today
[14:45] <snap-l> ie: new version of Learning Perl is on sale
[14:45] <snap-l> (and yes, I picked it up)
[14:45] <snap-l> Apparently the shortest distance between O'Reilly and my wallet is through their website.
[14:46] <snap-l> Is This the Right Book for You?
[14:46] <snap-l> If you’re anything like us, you probably didn’t get to browse this book before you
[14:46] <snap-l> bought it. As we finish up this edition, the bookstore Borders is closing many of its
[14:46] <snap-l> stores and other booksellers aren’t doing much better. You might be reading this book
[14:46] <snap-l> in a digital form that you downloaded, or as HTML in Safari Books Online. How can
[14:46] <snap-l> you find out if this book is the one you want to buy if you can’t look at it first? How
[14:46] <snap-l> can we warn you off if you need to buy the book to read this paragraph?
[14:46] <snap-l> (sorry for the spam, but thought that was rather prescient)
[14:56] <ColonelPanic001> Welcome (to) The_Machine
[14:58] <brousch> i just bought Learn Python the Hard Way PDF+ePUB for $1
[15:01] <Wolfger> Why do you want to do it the hard way?
[15:02] <brousch> I don't, but I figure for $1 I can support a good cause
[15:09] <rick_h__> supporting that guy I'm not sure counts as a good cause
[15:09] <rick_h__> but then again, maybe it does, just don't know
[15:16] <brousch> any python book is a good cause ;)
[15:23] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm tempted to send Zed some $$
[15:24] <snap-l> rick_h__: I totally understand your reservation, though
[15:24] <brousch> what is the reservation?
[15:25] <snap-l> Well, he might get bored or pissed off with Python
[15:25] <snap-l> and essentially raze the community. ;)
[15:26] <brousch> I guess I know nothing about him
[15:28] <snap-l> http://zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html
[15:28] <brousch> ah, that guy
[15:30] <snap-l> http://techcrunch.com/2008/01/01/zed-shaw-puts-the-smack-down-on-the-rails-community/
[15:30] <snap-l> Yeah
[15:32] <Wolfger> Heh. zedshaw link is blocked by work.
[15:32] <Wolfger> They must be rails fans... :-)
[15:34] <brousch> hm, i want my $1 back now
[15:34] <snap-l> brousch: Dude, enjoy the book
[15:35] <snap-l> don't worry about it
[15:35] <Wolfger> Facebook has CIA backing? I'd like to see some citations on that...
[15:35] <snap-l> Wolfger: My tinfoil hat told me so
[15:35] <snap-l> it said it was on the wikipedias
[15:35] <brousch> i'm removing my tweet
[15:36] <snap-l> brousch: Why?
[15:36] <snap-l> Seriously, don't buy into a cult of personality
[15:36] <snap-l> good, bad, or indifferent
[15:36] <brousch> i cannot endorse that kind of person
[15:37] <Wolfger> I don't disagree with everything he says, but he has a lot of rage about not being able to find a job, and I'm thinking, "I would never hire anybody with an attitude like this, regardless of skills."
[15:38] <Wolfger> Google offered him a position, and he basically threw it in their faces, and he goes back to whining about not being able to get a job.
[15:38] <Wolfger> total douche move
[15:39] <snap-l> Well, he did wake up folks to something that we kind of intuited
[15:39] <brousch> I don't mind a little justified arrogance, but he puts a bad taste in my mouth
[15:39] <Wolfger> ^^
[15:40] <rick_h__> yea, he's a little bit of a controversial member of the community
[15:41] <rick_h__> but he's a member, and he does things, like that book, and teaches a class around it
[15:41] <rick_h__> but he's got some parts that are ghetto we just stay away from
[15:41] <Wolfger> That's like saying brousch is a bit of a troll...  ;-)
[15:41] <rick_h__> that's why I said I'm mixed on it
[15:41] <rick_h__> psh, brousch is speaking at PyOhio, he gets an awesomesace+1 sticker
[15:41] <brousch> I'll still read the book, but I won't pimp it. Unless it's really good.
[15:42] <rick_h__> yea, I mean pimp the good works
[15:42] <rick_h__> I'm all for that
[15:42] <brousch> hah, but my talk at PyOhio is basically trolling!
[15:42] <rick_h__> he's a bit polorizing
[15:42] <rick_h__> brousch: all good, the 'beta' schedule is up but not accounced yet
[15:43] <rick_h__> http://pyohio.org/schedule/
[15:43] <rick_h__> we don't conflict so bonus
[15:45] <Wolfger> LOL. "Django and Google App Engine: Why I'm using Flask and Amazon EC2"
[15:45] <Wolfger> Yeah... total troll
[15:46] <Wolfger> The PyOhio website makes me feel like I should be wearing red/blue 3D glasses.
[15:47] <Wolfger> Immediately following brousch (in a different room, though) is the Django web framework primer
[15:49] <brousch> nice. i'm probably going to tune my talk to beginners
[15:49] <brousch> more like "Why Flask is better for learning web frameworks"
[15:50] <brousch> oooh, rick_h__ is in the Barbie Tootle room
[15:55] <rick_h__> woo!
[15:59] <Wolfger> Heheh..... 'If a programmer tells you to use vim or emacs, tell them, "No."'
[15:59] <brousch> is that that annoying round room?
[16:00] <rick_h__> no, we're not using the round room this year
[16:03] <Wolfger> 'A programmer will eventually tell you to use Mac OSX or Linux. If the programmer likes fonts and typography, they'll tell you to get a Mac OSX computer. If they like control and have a huge beard, they'll tell you to install Linux.'
[16:04] <Wolfger> ...my beard is not huge. :-p
[16:05] <brousch> we need something for friday night for those of us driving a long way
[16:11] <snap-l> Yeah, we'll need to hook up for dinner or something that evening
[16:13] <brousch> i'm rooming with another guy from GR
[16:13] <brousch> have 2 others that might come
[16:26] <Wolfger> The # is called an octothorpe? I never knew.
[16:40] <rick_h__> http://warpspire.com/posts/designing-github-mac/ is interesting
[16:47] <snap-l> Gah, I haven't installed LaTeX on this system yet. :)
[16:47] <rick_h__> oops
[16:48] <rick_h__> I don't know I've ever installed that
[16:48] <rick_h__> oh, well I did try that one gui editor once a long time ago
[16:48] <snap-l> Death of the SSH key. People should be able to connect to GitHub with their GitHub username and password.
[16:48] <snap-l> I have mixed feelings about that
[16:51] <rick_h__> yea, but I understand
[16:51] <rick_h__> I had the same thing with bookie logins
[16:52] <rick_h__> "do I figure out how to do oauth to services/etc"
[16:52] <rick_h__> nope..just good ole, pick a username/password
[16:53] <brousch> rick_h__ snap-l did you guys reserve rooms for pyohio? we're staying at the red roof inn for $79/night
[16:53] <rick_h__> no, going to reserve when I get back
[16:53] <rick_h__> at the blackwell
[16:53] <rick_h__> snap-l: we heading back after talks on day 2 like last year?
[16:54] <brousch> it looks like they added lightning talks on saturday too
[16:54] <rick_h__> yea, we skipped them last year to head home
[16:54] <rick_h__> I'll try to get bookie onto day 1 lightning talks
[16:54] <rick_h__> but I've got my talk right up against it, so we'll see
[17:03] <snap-l> I have created a makefile for my resume
[17:03] <snap-l> fear me
[17:04] <rick_h__> lol
[17:04] <snap-l> rick_h__: I'm planning on heading back on Sunday
[17:04] <Wolfger> that's just wrong
[17:05] <_stink_> it's the only way to do it when your resume is in latex.
[17:05] <_stink_> well
[17:05] <_stink_> it's a good way.
[17:05] <snap-l> Yeah
[17:10] <brousch> why not rst?
[17:13] <snap-l> because I found a resume template in latex forst?
[17:14] <_stink_> just curious, b/c i know nuhsink about rst
[17:14] <_stink_> can one do nice math in rst?
[17:14] <snap-l> I don't believe so
[17:14] <snap-l> not like LaTeX, in any event
[17:14] <rick_h__> http://www.programmerq.net/rsttricks.html#math-and-equations
[17:14] <rick_h__> :)
[17:15] <snap-l> or if it does, it'll likely drop to latex
[17:15] <rick_h__> just include latex
[17:15] <_stink_> holy blarg
[17:15] <_stink_> that is nice
[17:20] <rick_h__> you guys send some caffeine thought my way from CHC
[17:29] <snap-l> rick_h__: You betcha
[17:48] <snap-l> I should play "Sex on Wheelz" by My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult on my next conference call
[17:49] <Wolfger> Hard body Motor City
[17:49] <snap-l> Love Life!
[18:17] <Wolfger> snap-l: any particular reason for that song, or just looking for something business-inappropriate?
[18:21] <snap-l> Was just ripping that disc
[18:24] <Wolfger> ++
[18:25] <Wolfger> I also have another album of theirs... Devilbunny I think it was?
[18:27] <Wolfger> I need to go dig those out now for a good relisten. Though I think the last track from SOW was scratched :-p
[18:45] <snap-l> Yeah, I only have Sexplosion
[18:47] <Wolfger> It was the far superior album
[18:48] <Wolfger> I like most/all of the tracks on that one. The other only had 2 or 3 I really liked.
[19:11] <Wolfger> seatbelts, helmet laws, perl, java, python sucks, nickleback rules...... Somebody say something!
[19:11]  * Wolfger is bored
[19:12] <brousch> ubuntuone has an android files app now. it's starting to look viable for me
[19:12] <Wolfger> trudging through the last 40 minutes of the work day, without really having anything to do.
[19:12] <snap-l> I'm on a conference call so I'm not able to snark at my usual level
[19:13] <brousch> and they let me have more than 100GB of storage
[19:13] <Wolfger> Oooh. Another Android app to download
[19:13] <brousch> it can autoupload photos you take
[19:13] <brousch> nice
[19:14] <snap-l> That's clever
[19:15] <brousch> i need a dropbox export so i don't have to re-upload 40GB of data
[19:15] <Wolfger> Hmm. I only see Ubuntu One Music Store app in AppBrain
[19:16] <brousch> Wolfger: http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/
[19:16] <brousch> i got it from the google market
[19:18] <Wolfger> got it. Thanks
[19:33] <Wolfger> 8 suicide bombers kill 10 at Kabul hotel
[19:33] <Wolfger> ...
[19:33] <gamerchick02> howdy. anyone in here go with jolicloud?
[19:33] <Wolfger> that's a sad kill ratio for using bombs
[19:33] <gamerchick02> Wolfger, :(
[19:33] <Wolfger> gamerchick02: I tried it once. Didn't stick with it long at all
[19:33] <brousch> gamerchick02: i've tried it
[19:34] <gamerchick02> i'm thinking of giving it another go on my netbook.
[19:34] <snap-l> Wolfger: Did they say if th bombers were included in that number?
[19:34] <brousch> it's not bad. comprable to chromeos
[19:34] <Wolfger> I wonder if the 8 suicide bombers account for 80% of that death toll....
[19:34] <snap-l> Jinx!
[19:34] <Wolfger> doh
[19:35] <Wolfger> I'm thinking even if all 10 were innocents, they could have gotten far better results with kitchen knives.
[19:35] <Wolfger> I guess "suicide knifer" just doesn't have the same ring to it
[19:36] <gamerchick02> no it doesn't, but that'd be pretty spectacular if someone could pull it off.
[19:37] <Wolfger> In sadder news, the very worst part of health care reform was upheld by the courts: http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/29/health.care.appeal/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
[19:37] <gamerchick02> nice. i'll never be able to afford health care.
[19:37] <gamerchick02> i guess i'm paying extra taxes.
[19:38] <gamerchick02> wait!!! i'm not working.
[19:38] <gamerchick02> so i can't get a job. i can't afford healthcare. i'm FUCKED.
[19:38] <Wolfger> OK, now I'm confused. The headline says 8 killed 10, the story says 9 killed 9.
[19:38] <_stink_> if it's the latter, then it's just Heaven's Gate.
[19:40] <Wolfger> only 6 of the 9 detonated, snipers got the other 3. Two cops and 7 civilians were victims.
[19:40] <Wolfger> "One of the suicide attackers told us on the phone that they are in the lobby and chasing guests into their rooms by smashing the doors of the rooms,"
[19:40] <Wolfger> ...
[19:41] <Wolfger> suicide bomber stops to chat on the phone?
[19:41] <_stink_> hah
[19:42] <brousch> shouldn't they be herding guests into a central area to make the most of each bomb?
[19:42] <brousch> instead of chasing them into rooms?
[19:42] <ColonelPanic001> they aren't suicide bombers because they think long-term
[19:42]  * _stink_ alerts FBI about brousch's expertise
[19:42] <ColonelPanic001> yeah. terrorist
[19:42] <Wolfger> apparently they 8 who didn't detonate immediately upon entering the lobby went to the roof to launch rockets first
[19:43] <Wolfger> so... makes slightly more sense. Still not the brightest of terrorists. (thankfully!)
[19:43] <brousch> rocket? aka set their boots on fire and jumped as far as possible?
[19:44] <brousch> oh, nice, in ubuntuone i can choose which files to sync where
[20:00] <snap-l> I think the health care law only went half-way
[20:00] <snap-l> 1) require everyone to be insured, but 2) require health insurance to be lower cost so you'd be a damn fool not to take advantage of it
[20:01] <snap-l> Of course, #2 is the harder of the two to mandate
[21:32] <gamerchick02> OT (well, maybe not): is there a way to block contacts in empathy? has there been bugs resolved? i've been searching on askubuntu as well as bugzilla and launchpad, and nothing seems to be resolved. do the empathy people not bloody care? (i'm getting aim spam now. was msn. >_<)
[21:33] <gamerchick02> i'm about to change my username. i don't really want to do that because i've had this name for, uhm, longer than 10 years.
[21:34] <snap-l> There's a blocked contacts list in empathy
[21:34] <snap-l> but I'd recommend another approach
[21:34] <brousch> ug, empathy is annoying
[21:35] <gamerchick02> how do i get to said blocked contacts list?
[21:35] <gamerchick02> the peeps that keep im-ing me are not contacts.
[21:35] <gamerchick02> they're people who are just im-ing people.
[21:35] <gamerchick02> what's your other approach, snap-l?
[21:36] <snap-l> gamerchick02: not seeing it right now
[21:36] <snap-l> There's a way in Pidgin to block contactacts that aren't in your list
[21:36] <snap-l> and I'm not seeing a way to do that in Empathy
[21:37] <gamerchick02> yeah, i know. douchenozzle didn't im me back when after i installed pidgin and logged in. >_<
[21:37] <gamerchick02> blocked contacts is only for g-talk/jabber, it looks like.
[21:37] <snap-l> douchenozzle? :)
[21:37] <gamerchick02> yessir.
[21:38] <_stink_> i will henceforth be using that as a term of endearment.
[21:38] <snap-l> OK, is this just for AIM?
[21:38] <gamerchick02> aim and msn
[21:38] <gamerchick02> i ditched my icq account because of the marriage proposals from india.
[21:38] <snap-l> Frankly, I had to quit using AIM and ICQ because the spam was abominable
[21:38] <snap-l> never used MSN
[21:38] <gamerchick02> this is the first aim spam i've had.
[21:38] <gamerchick02> which is strange. icq was horrible for spam
[21:39] <gamerchick02> none on gtalk (thank ye gods)
[21:39] <brousch> i can't believe people still use aim
[21:40] <gamerchick02> i have a couple of people i chat with over im.
[21:40] <brousch> you need to visit these people and kick them in the shins until they get a jabber-based account somewhere
[21:40] <snap-l> Yeah, I basically sent a message to everyone in my IM list for AIM that said "I'll be over here if you want to talk to me", and deleted my account.
[21:40] <gamerchick02> and with a client like empathy, the whole concept of accounts becomes a moot point, since you can merge contacts together.
[21:40] <gamerchick02> wow.
[21:41] <gamerchick02> snap-l, i'd love to do that
[21:41] <snap-l> There's nothing stopping you
[21:41] <snap-l> I think AIM supports jabber (or I've heard rumors to that effect)
[21:42] <gamerchick02> but what's the login for jabber? I'd love to convert my aim over to a jabber account
[21:42] <gamerchick02> user@aim.com?
[21:42] <snap-l> Do you have Google Talk?
[21:42] <gamerchick02> yessir.
[21:42] <snap-l> Let them figure it out. ;)
[21:42] <gamerchick02> who doesn't have google talk? really.
[21:42]  * snap-l is a right bastard sometimes
[21:43] <snap-l> http://florianjensen.com/2008/01/17/aol-adopting-xmpp-aka-jabber/
[21:58] <brousch> i turned on chrome's pre-fetching thing and it freaks me out sometimes
[21:58] <brousch> i type like 2 letters of my destination and it's already rendered
[22:14] <gamerchick02> eff yeah xmpp and aim connection.
[22:14] <gamerchick02> this is so much better
[22:15] <gamerchick02> i've deleted my aim name out of empathy; that should thwart the spammers.
[22:25] <snap-l> Ideally. :)
[22:40] <snap-l> http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/06/29/these-2-companies-will-never-turn-a-profit.aspx Harsh take on Pandora
[22:40] <snap-l> but I think warranted
[22:54] <gamerchick02> well, if i get an android, i *might* pay for pandora
[22:54] <gamerchick02> not sure though
[22:56] <gamerchick02> i'd never pay for sirius.
[23:23] <snap-l> I paid at one point
[23:23] <snap-l> I still say ubiquitous bandwidth in the car will make Sirius/XM's product worth far less
[23:38] <gamerchick02> yes.
[23:39]  * greg-g waves
[23:39]  * greg-g grumbles at the server restarting and losing my irssi channel list that I hadn't saved yet
[23:46] <snap-l> heh
[23:49] <gamerchick02> greg-g sound crappy. :(
[23:49] <gamerchick02> holy cow. typing #FAIL
[23:50] <gamerchick02> greg-g, that sounds crappy. there we go
[23:50] <gamerchick02> let me just babble incoherently and string words together.