[02:43] <Cheri703> \o/ another unexpected customer tomorrow :)
[03:09]  * skellat ponders 
[03:12] <Cheri703> hrm?
[03:13] <skellat> The fallacy of the part equals the whole
[03:13] <Cheri703> mmk
[03:14] <skellat> I have to go drive my sister to work so I'll probably be back in an hour
[03:17] <Cheri703> kk
[03:35]  * canthus13 drools.
[03:53] <Cheri703> anything in particular canthus13? or just lack of muscle control...
[05:05] <canthus13> Cheri703: Just feeling a bit braindead...
[05:06] <Cheri703> I know the feeling
[05:06] <canthus13> Cheri703: I've been helping the wife with her algebra homework.. It's making my head hurt.
[05:06] <Unit193> That's not what it's supposed to feel like? ;) (And I know that feeling all too well...)
[05:07] <Cheri703> ah, I was helping husband with math homework the other night, yeah, math hurts
[05:07] <Unit193> canthus13: If you wanted to know, the demo did go well (Speach thing) If you didn't want to know, then just ignore this...
[05:14] <Unit193> ronnoc: No -offtopic? You get coffee...
[05:14] <ronnoc> lol
[05:14]  * ronnoc gets some strong java
[05:15] <Unit193> I'm making some tea for the night...
[05:16] <EricR2427> I've downed about a liter of root beer if that counts...
[05:26] <Unit193> I would go for pop, but the others wouldn't like that...
[05:27] <Cheri703> yeah, because it's SODA
[05:27] <Unit193> I have no idea what soda is... Is it like pop?
[05:28] <Cheri703> nope, way better
[05:28] <Unit193> We will never agree on this... How about Coke or Pepsi?
[05:29] <skellat> Meeting is in less than 20 hours, right?
[05:29] <Cheri703> 8pm tomorrow
[05:29] <Cheri703> well, 8pm wednesday
[05:29] <skellat> Which is 20 hours from now
[05:30] <skellat> Well, 19.5 technically :-)
[05:34] <Cheri703> yup
[05:54] <Unit193> Excess Flood...
[05:55] <Cheri703> hmm
[07:27] <Unit193> Still awake?
[07:27] <Unit193> (Jurassic Park here...)
[14:31] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:32] <thafreak> deejoe: sorry, was away for a few days...regarding the carrying case for drives, I was envisioning external drives, so ones in their own enclosure.
[14:34] <deejoe> ah, ok
[14:34] <deejoe> thanks for clarifying, thafreak
[14:35] <thafreak> deejoe: you ever transport drives?
[14:35] <deejoe> not as a going thing, no
[14:36] <deejoe> I mean, I carry external drives around sometimes, so I suppose that counts a bit.
[14:36] <thafreak> currently, I just tend to be very careful...
[14:36] <deejoe> yeah
[14:36] <thafreak> but I've not had to transport more than one so far
[14:36] <deejoe> with SATA and the hotplug open sleds there are now, I've been interested in cases for bare drives for transport and storage.
[14:37] <thafreak> I thought about those too...and I may build something like that in the future...but currently, I don't think my customer needs more than 2TiB of storage for backups
[14:38] <thafreak> so the cheaper route is a couple of external disks that I rotate frequently
[14:38] <deejoe> sure, makes sense
[14:39] <deejoe> I'm just shocked and disappointed at how expensive and hard-to-find the other kinds of cases are.
[14:40] <deejoe> seems like a plastic box with some sort of anti-static coating or foam really shouldn't be more than a couple of bucks each, cheaper in bulk.
[14:40] <thafreak> yeah, they seem to be for "server" class hardware only...which makes them cost more
[14:40] <deejoe> server-schmerver, it's just a box
[14:40] <deejoe> you know?
[14:40] <thafreak> oh I thought you were talking about the drive tray backplane
[14:41] <deejoe> no, just "here, let me put this drive in something more robust than the anti-static bag, and more tractable than the bulky and awkward original packaging to keep it clean and protect it a little bit while it sits on a shelf.
[14:41] <deejoe> "
[14:42] <thafreak> ah, gotcha..yeah, I'm surprised those don't exist either
[14:42] <thafreak> the only things I've seen out are basically the same thing I posted a link to...a carrying case with custom foam configuration
[14:43] <deejoe> this isn't mine, and I don't have nearly the capacity need as this, but here's an example use-case http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisdag/4668538789/in/set-72157600938800182/
[14:46] <thafreak> holy crap
[14:46] <thafreak> yeah, I don't have quite that need either :)
[14:46] <thafreak> course with 2TiB drives now around $60...I may :)
[14:49] <deejoe> those guys use EC2 for a lot of their client's work.
[14:49] <deejoe> the big downside is bandwidth--getting massive chunks of data to and from Amazon.
[14:49] <deejoe> So, they just ship drives, apparently.
[14:50] <deejoe> "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a ${VEHICLE} loaded with ${STORAGE_MEDIA} . . . "
[14:51] <thafreak> yep, I was just thinking about that the other day
[14:52] <thafreak> when I was thinking about, the fact that it matters more what your latency is, than your bandwidth...well for most things
[14:53] <deejoe> well, for some things
[14:54] <deejoe> given that considerations of bandwidth vs latency occur all the way from the processor registers on out, things shift considerably depending on where your talking about and what the task is.
[14:54] <deejoe> s/your/you're/
[14:56] <thafreak> if you've got enough bandwidth to suite your needs...more bandwidth isn't necessarily better...but lower latency is
[14:58] <thafreak> the example being that the truck/train full of disks is about as high of bandwidth as you can get...but the latency sucks :)
[14:59] <deejoe> yup.  this is something of a hobby horse for me because for a long time I was stuck in thinking of the typical PC architecture's components as givens, and the separations between them as being very clear.  But when one starts to look at networked storage and clustered computing with concerns about message-passing over interconnects and the role of cache and so on, it all really starts to blur considerably.
[15:00] <thafreak> yeah...but there are some interconnects which blur the difference between internal and external too :)
[15:00] <thafreak> you get the top end infiniband, and the interconnect is faster than the bus between two cpu sockets in some cases
[15:01] <deejoe> yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing I mean.
[15:01] <thafreak> multicore/multisocket stuff is odd
[15:01] <deejoe> well, even the idea that the network is faster than the disk throughput
[15:01] <thafreak> HPC stuff is really not something that's easy to do
[15:01] <thafreak> yeah, now a days, it can easily be
[15:02] <deejoe> so, you can have a single spindle in the box being "slower" than a network-available set of striped disks.
[15:02] <thafreak> even with fast disk bus, the drive usually can't saturate it
[15:02] <thafreak> yup...that's why I'm typically content with 30MiB/s or so...
[15:03] <thafreak> most of my internal disks can barely do that...hell even some on hardware raid don't get that much better
[15:03] <thafreak> and I know I can get about the same over simple gigabit ethernet
[15:03] <thafreak> even with my cheap switches
[15:04] <thafreak> that's in my basement mind you...
[15:04] <thafreak> I'd expect better than that from better hardware :)
[15:10] <deejoe> http://xkcd.com/691/ <- this was before 32GB microSD was available, even
[15:10] <deejoe> the mouseover text, as usual, is the good part
[22:18] <jacob> jacob
[22:18] <jacob> oops :P
[22:18] <deejoe> o.O
[22:18] <Unit193> Yeah... Saying your own name...
[22:18] <jacob> disregard the seemingly insane person
[22:19] <jacob> anywho, is there a meeting tonight?
[22:19] <Unit193> Telling them to ignore me?
[22:19] <jacob> ^_^
[22:19] <Unit193> Yep! 8pm
[22:19] <jacob> gotcha
[22:20] <Cheri703> o/ jacob
[22:20] <jacob> 'ey Cheri703
[22:20] <Cheri703> how's it going?
[22:20] <jacob> how goes it
[22:20] <Cheri703> alright, sitting here at ubuntu hour, Unit193 is here, as is EricR2427
[22:21] <jacob> sounds fun
[22:21] <Cheri703> oh yes, 5 people, 5 laptops, good times ;)
[22:21] <jacob> :D
[22:44] <Cheri703> o/ glyphrider, how are you?
[22:44]  * Cheri703 is being nosy and noticed your neo.res.rr.com