LLStarks | just spent an hour with a llano laptop | 03:18 |
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LLStarks | probably the first person to publicly test linux on it | 03:18 |
LLStarks | won't boot because no updated ddx and no mesa 7.11 | 03:19 |
LLStarks | oh well | 03:19 |
LLStarks | sarvatt, is there any way to roll my own iso with edgers? i'm feeling a bit daring. | 03:59 |
LLStarks | would i have to do something like a persistent image with oneiric nightly and ppa the drivers into the persistence? | 03:59 |
DanaG | Okay, I've made a more coherent comment on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/546697 | 04:32 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 546697 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "enable multitouch support on older touchpads, as supported by driver v15.0.9.0 (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed] | 04:32 |
DanaG | Would somebody mind taking a look at it? It'd be a killer feature to be able to use multi-finger detection on systems that have never supported it. | 04:32 |
LLStarks | i think cnd wants it disabled in ubuntu | 04:47 |
LLStarks | i have my laptop manually set up to use 2-finger middle click and 2-finger scrolling | 04:48 |
LLStarks | btw danag, you can do it with the current drivers | 04:50 |
LLStarks | it's just disabled by ubuntu because it screws up some touchpads | 04:51 |
DanaG | One big gripe: you can no longer do "synclient -m" | 04:51 |
DanaG | So you can't even tell how many fingers it sees! | 04:51 |
LLStarks | you can use xinput commands | 04:51 |
DanaG | Really? Can it give you this? | 04:51 |
DanaG | time x y z f w l r u d m multi gl gm gr gdx gdy 0.000 1 5855 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 00000000 0 0 0 0 0 | 04:52 |
DanaG | er | 04:52 |
DanaG | That was two lines. | 04:52 |
DanaG | It spews the current state. | 04:52 |
LLStarks | xinput set-prop 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' 'Synaptics Two-Finger Pressure' 29 | 04:52 |
DanaG | That's not what I want. | 04:52 |
DanaG | What I want is real two-finger support. | 04:53 |
DanaG | There's exactly one magic Windows driver that gives me it. | 04:53 |
DanaG | Real. Not fake. | 04:53 |
DanaG | It must patch the firmware, or ignore the reported capabilities, or something. | 04:53 |
LLStarks | well, that command permits amazing 2-finger scrolling | 04:53 |
DanaG | I get that shmconfig for settings changing was insecure... but we still need the "monitor" mode. | 04:53 |
DanaG | Still not real. | 04:54 |
DanaG | If "monitor" is insecure, then make it root-only! | 04:54 |
DanaG | You can't get that log of touchpad data with xinput. | 04:54 |
LLStarks | can you give me the vendor string for the touchpad? | 04:54 |
DanaG | "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" | 04:55 |
DanaG | i8042: PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12 | 04:55 |
DanaG | It's a 7.2 or 7.0 or something. | 04:55 |
LLStarks | can you link the driver in question? | 04:56 |
DanaG | I also have a TouchStyk that's recognized as a "PS/2 Generic Mouse". | 04:56 |
LLStarks | lenovo? | 04:56 |
DanaG | Nope, HP. | 04:56 |
LLStarks | hp does nubs? O_o | 04:56 |
DanaG | Lenovo calls it TrackPoint; Synaptics calls it TouchStyk. | 04:56 |
DanaG | Yup, the business laptops do. | 04:56 |
DanaG | I don't use mine, so it's not a big deal... but you can't set sensitivity or "press to click". | 04:56 |
DanaG | http://www.mydigitallife.info/unlock-and-enable-multitouch-gestures-on-synaptics-touchpad-or-trackpad-driver-download/ | 04:57 |
DanaG | Direct URL: Win7: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp47501-48000/sp47815.exe XP: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp47501-48000/sp47816.exe | 04:57 |
DanaG | It also unlocks the nice "ChiralMotion" scrolling. | 04:57 |
DanaG | Picture circular scrolling where you don't have to go all the way around the center of the pad. You can do a tiny circle starting in the scroll area, instead. | 04:58 |
DanaG | And you can start vertical circle from right edge, or horizontal circle from bottom. | 04:58 |
DanaG | A bit of HP fail: the stick buttons don't belong to the stick. | 04:59 |
DanaG | So you can't have stick scrolling AND have working touchpad middle button. | 04:59 |
DanaG | (Yup, the 15" and above (now workstation only) EliteBooks have 3 buttons. | 04:59 |
DanaG | ) | 04:59 |
DanaG | You know you're a programmer when you're obsessive-compulsive about parentheses. | 05:00 |
DanaG | Handy trick: open Mouse control panel, and press alt-shift-i | 05:00 |
DanaG | So either the driver is patching the firmware, or it's ignoring the capabilities and assuming full capabilities. | 05:01 |
DanaG | It's worked on an Athlon XP-M laptop that before could do only basic two-finger in Linux, as well as my 8530w that only ever did 1 finger. | 05:02 |
DanaG | Magic trackpad: why the heck does a touchpad need to be wireless? That's like having a cordless drill press. | 05:16 |
DanaG | ANd it makes it a no-go for places that don't allow bluetooth due to security concerns. | 05:17 |
LLStarks | hey bryceh, i think the plymouth bug that causes x to crash upon an enter keypress is back in the daily images | 05:37 |
bryceh | LLStarks, hrm | 05:38 |
* bryceh thinks | 05:38 | |
bryceh | wasn't that one something where plymouth was waiting for the user to enter something, and then resetting X once it detected a return? | 05:39 |
bryceh | LLStarks, try downgrading plymouth and see if it resolves | 05:39 |
anymouse | accidentally pressed enter | 05:40 |
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LLStarks_ | anyway, i've only observed it in the live session | 05:41 |
LLStarks_ | but enter will crash x | 05:41 |
LLStarks_ | pretty sure it's the same plymouth bug | 05:41 |
LLStarks_ | finally ghostkilled | 05:42 |
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LLStarks | anyway bryceh, didn't catch anything after hrm | 05:42 |
LLStarks | using the onscreen keyboard is maddening | 05:43 |
bryceh | * bryceh thinks | 05:45 |
bryceh | <bryceh> wasn't that one something where plymouth was waiting for the user to enter something, and then resetting X once it detected a return? | 05:45 |
bryceh | LLStarks, try downgrading plymouth and see if it resolves | 05:45 |
LLStarks | will do | 05:46 |
bryceh | looks like there's been some recent commits to plymouth to handle tty keyboard output | 05:48 |
LLStarks | this is going to be a pain to test since it's a live environment, i can't press enter, and reinitializing plymouth under said circumstances is tough | 05:50 |
LLStarks | the strangest thing is that the bug has been present since at least alpha 1 images | 05:51 |
LLStarks | and oneiric plymouth is in natty-updates | 05:52 |
LLStarks | would a text boot negate plymouth? | 05:53 |
bryceh | yep | 05:53 |
LLStarks | just get rid of quiet from the kernel line, right? | 05:53 |
bryceh | quiet and splash I think | 05:53 |
bryceh | hmm, 0.8.2-2ubuntu23 appears to be the latest plymouth version, which was on 21 Apr | 05:54 |
bryceh | so maybe it isn't a plymouth regression | 05:55 |
bryceh | LLStarks, pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log | 05:55 |
LLStarks | i would if i didn't wipe my ubuntu partition yesterday <_< | 05:57 |
LLStarks | but like i said, i've worked around this bug since the first oneiric images | 05:58 |
bryceh | oh right, it's with the daily images anyway | 05:59 |
LLStarks | lemme reboot and test splashless booting of the iso | 06:00 |
LLStarks | well, it's not plymouth. text boot didn't help. still crashing to tty upon first enter keypress. | 06:04 |
LLStarks | and still no error messages | 06:05 |
bryceh | hmm | 06:08 |
bryceh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/532047 | 06:15 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 532047 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Plymouth text-mode splash causes X to crash on first run due to shared tty7 (affects: 199) (dups: 44) (heat: 660)" [Undecided,Invalid] | 06:15 |
bryceh | *** A temporary workaround is to disable the plymouth-splash upstart job *** | 06:16 |
bryceh | sudo mv /etc/init/plymouth-splash.conf /etc/init/plymouth-splash.conf.disabled | 06:16 |
bryceh | LLStarks, if it is indeed the bug we had before, see if that workaround works around it | 06:16 |
LLStarks | is this something that needs to be done with a persistence so that the live session can be "rebooted" to test it | 06:17 |
bryceh | LLStarks, probably | 06:24 |
LLStarks | if it works, it'll make my bacon-tester stick much more useful | 06:26 |
LLStarks | here we go | 06:28 |
LLStarks | bryceh, no luck disabling plymouth or updating drivers | 07:10 |
LLStarks | sounds like bug 787821 | 07:15 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 787821 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Random X server crashes on keypress using natty (affects: 3) (heat: 127)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/787821 | 07:15 |
LLStarks | i'm getting 8's and diamonds when i crash to tty | 07:15 |
LLStarks | i'm going to try removing plymouth altogether | 07:16 |
LLStarks | brb | 07:17 |
LLStarks | bryceh, confirming all symptoms of bug 787821. x starts on tty2 and crashes on 2 or enter | 07:39 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 787821 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Random X server crashes on keypress using natty (affects: 3) (heat: 127)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/787821 | 07:39 |
LLStarks | screen drops to a tty (not sure which) with nonsense output a few characters long | 07:40 |
LLStarks | *starts on tty1 | 07:54 |
bryceh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/787821 | 09:37 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 787821 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Random X server crashes on keypress using natty (affects: 3) (heat: 127)" [Undecided,New] | 09:37 |
tjaalton | i've actually seen that on lucid too | 09:41 |
tjaalton | recently | 09:41 |
tjaalton | not my machine but friends | 09:41 |
tjaalton | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/579313/comments/19 | 09:48 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 579313 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "X crashes after pressing enter or 2 in 10.04 final release (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Triaged] | 09:48 |
RAOF | Shiny new mesa, now with working Unity! | 11:41 |
tjaalton | 7.11 snapshot? | 11:42 |
RAOF | Yeah. | 11:42 |
Sarvatt | RAOF: awesome | 12:08 |
RAOF | Running a parallel build on the e62thingy to check that I haven't broken it. | 12:09 |
RAOF | It looks like it's faster to build mesa on it than to upgrade to oneiric :) | 12:12 |
seb128 | bug #803012 has an upstream commit backport waiting for sponsoring if somebody wants to have a look it | 12:42 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 803012 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Intel driver incorrectly renders some UI elements (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803012 | 12:42 |
tjaalton | RAOF: push the intel release to git | 12:46 |
RAOF | :( | 12:46 |
tjaalton | not on your lappy?-) | 12:47 |
RAOF | Am on my lappy, but URGH! Sorry. | 12:47 |
RAOF | Pushed | 12:47 |
tjaalton | ah nice, thought that the branch was not, but good | 12:47 |
tjaalton | seb128: I can take care of that | 12:48 |
Sarvatt | RAOF: built fine parallel=8 here | 12:50 |
RAOF | Did here, too. | 12:51 |
RAOF | Checking that it actually works on the e6420, then uploading. | 12:51 |
seb128 | tjaalton, thanks | 12:55 |
tjaalton | uploaded | 12:56 |
ScottK | Sarvatt: I just had a complete X freeze (it didn't crash completely, but just froze - couldn't even move the cursor) on my Sandybridge laptop (Natty). The only error I can find matches the error message in Bug 761065. How can I file a useful bug/add information that woud be helpful? | 14:03 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 761065 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 4 other projects) "[Sandybridge] Spurious "*ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... blt ring idle" messages in dmesg when using compiz (affects: 52) (dups: 5) (heat: 298)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761065 | 14:03 |
Sarvatt | ScottK: that's fixed already and sitting in natty-proposed kernel hell unfortunately | 14:04 |
Sarvatt | wont be released until 2.6.38-11 | 14:04 |
ScottK | Sarvatt: OK. So just patience then. Thanks. | 14:04 |
tjaalton | RAOF: whoa, SRU team, and soon archive admin :P | 14:07 |
ScottK | Pretty soon he'll be useless for real work. | 14:26 |
RAOF | Heh. | 14:30 |
tjaalton | hmm so do we tag every bug we pass on to the kernel? | 16:04 |
tjaalton | input related too | 16:04 |
tjaalton | "no" | 16:09 |
tjaalton | lightdm doesn't seem to restart the xserver on logout | 16:40 |
lilstevie | lightdm is also uglier | 16:40 |
lilstevie | well not so much uglier, just doesn't feel right | 16:41 |
RAOF | tjaalton: I'm not sure about input :) | 16:41 |
jcristau | it feels NIH. | 16:41 |
tjaalton | RAOF: Sarvatt said that no :) | 16:42 |
tjaalton | lightdm also starts on the current vt if you start it from one, and user switching b0rked atm | 16:43 |
tjaalton | since it tries to run gdmflexiserver | 16:46 |
tjaalton | well, the applet | 16:46 |
tjaalton | heh, the new gdm is in depwait, needs libaudit-dev in main | 16:50 |
tjaalton | kees: ^ :) | 16:50 |
tjaalton | or maybe gdm will end up in universe | 16:51 |
ScottK | tjaalton: kdm doesn't restart the xserver on logout either, IIRC. | 16:53 |
lilstevie | but kdm is also a whore for getting on screen keyboards up :( | 16:53 |
tjaalton | ScottK: right, so in order to test updates you need to either reboot or restart it by hand :) | 16:54 |
jcristau | sudo killall Xorg ftw | 16:55 |
ScottK | lilstevie: That's true, but a separate issue. | 16:55 |
lilstevie | ScottK: heh | 16:55 |
tjaalton | there's also a bug where cursor up doesn't work after a logout, but works if the server is restarted, and he's using kde ;) | 16:55 |
jcristau | bad keymap reset on regen? | 16:56 |
tjaalton | probably the cache playing tricks | 16:56 |
tjaalton | dunno | 16:56 |
tjaalton | hm, something to rule out though | 16:59 |
RAOF | Oh, goddamn you PowerPC. Why do we even build for you? | 17:10 |
tjaalton | ok so -evdev wasn't pushed to git either | 17:25 |
tjaalton | -1u12 upload | 17:26 |
RAOF | Is that me again? :( | 17:27 |
tjaalton | not sure :) | 17:27 |
tjaalton | not blaming anyone yet, except me for not checking the current version earlier | 17:27 |
tjaalton | I already pushed my changes | 17:27 |
tjaalton | actually it was cnd this time :) | 17:28 |
tjaalton | I'll fix the changelog | 17:29 |
cnd | tjaalton, likely wasn't me | 17:30 |
cnd | I can't actually upload | 17:30 |
cnd | well, maybe it was... | 17:30 |
cnd | I might have built a src package and had bryce sign and upload | 17:30 |
cnd | but likely not :) | 17:30 |
cnd | I'm too lazy :) | 17:30 |
tjaalton | hehe :) | 17:30 |
tjaalton | hmm, no xauth with lightdm | 17:36 |
Sarvatt | lost all my indicators in todays upgrade, had to install the -gtk2 indicator packages | 17:47 |
tjaalton | i lost the sound one | 17:48 |
tjaalton | the battery indicator has been gone longer | 17:48 |
Sarvatt | yeah true, networks gone too though | 17:48 |
Sarvatt | wonder if nm just needs a rebuild | 17:49 |
bryceh | tjaalton, in talking with ogasawara what they want is for us to tag 'kernel-handoff-graphics' for issues we think are worth the kernel team's attention, so not every bug we forward | 17:51 |
tjaalton | bryceh: ah, hehe | 17:51 |
bryceh | tjaalton, also, for really important ones (like ones with patches that are ready to go), also ping them on #ubuntu-kernel | 17:52 |
tjaalton | yeah quirky mice that scroll too fast clearly don't fall under that category.. | 17:52 |
bryceh | RAOF, congrats on SRU-hood. You can help us get more X fixes out :-) | 17:53 |
RAOF | bryceh: Surch is the plan :) | 17:53 |
bryceh | I was poking around in lightdm to figure out how to hook in failsafe-x. There isn't a way to do it yet, but I proposed something to Robert; waiting back on that. | 17:55 |
RAOF | Cool. | 17:55 |
tjaalton | can't find where the server auth file should be stored | 17:56 |
RAOF | Robert was asking about what failsafe X actually tries to do. | 17:56 |
bryceh | RAOF, ah, did you set him straight on it? | 17:58 |
RAOF | Yup. | 17:59 |
RAOF | At least, I think so :) | 17:59 |
bryceh | tjaalton, the X session seems to be called from /etc/lightdm/Xsession but for the auth file itself, should it go into /run? or should it still live at $HOME/.Xauthority ? | 18:00 |
bryceh | I'm feeling like I'm missing out on all the good chats :-/ | 18:01 |
bryceh | but with it so quiet I'm getting lots done | 18:01 |
tjaalton | bryceh: actually, ligthdm puts it in /var/run/lightdm/authority/NUM | 18:01 |
bryceh | makes sense | 18:01 |
tjaalton | at least that's where $XAUTHORITY is pointing, but doesn | 18:01 |
tjaalton | 't work | 18:01 |
bryceh | permissions? | 18:03 |
bryceh | seems to be owned/writable only by root | 18:03 |
tjaalton | nah, owned by me | 18:03 |
bryceh | hmm, on my machine the directory exists, owned by root, but is empty | 18:03 |
tjaalton | Attempting to break locks on authority file /var/run/lightdm/authority/2 | 18:04 |
tjaalton | there | 18:04 |
tjaalton | xauth -v -b list | 18:04 |
bryceh | # xauth -v -b list | 18:04 |
bryceh | Attempting to break locks on authority file /home/bryce/.Xauthority | 18:04 |
bryceh | Using authority file /home/bryce/.Xauthority | 18:04 |
bryceh | wait | 18:05 |
tjaalton | you are using gdm :) | 18:05 |
bryceh | no, running the command from an ssh session | 18:06 |
bryceh | ok, yeah running from the machine itself get the same error you do | 18:06 |
bryceh | and then it times out after 30 sec or so | 18:07 |
tjaalton | yep | 18:07 |
tjaalton | filed bug 803546 | 18:07 |
ubot4 | Launchpad bug 803546 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Xauthority locked up (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803546 | 18:07 |
bryceh | added a bit more for the gpu lockup hook: http://paste.ubuntu.com/635185/ | 18:11 |
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