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LLStarksjust spent an hour with a llano laptop03:18
LLStarksprobably the first person to publicly test linux on it03:18
LLStarkswon't boot because no updated ddx and no mesa 7.1103:19
LLStarksoh well03:19
LLStarkssarvatt, is there any way to roll my own iso with edgers? i'm feeling a bit daring.03:59
LLStarkswould i have to do something like a persistent image with oneiric nightly and ppa the drivers into the persistence?03:59
DanaGOkay, I've made a more coherent comment on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/54669704:32
ubot4Launchpad bug 546697 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "enable multitouch support on older touchpads, as supported by driver v15.0.9.0 (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed]04:32
DanaGWould somebody mind taking a look at it?  It'd be a killer feature to be able to use multi-finger detection on systems that have never supported it.04:32
LLStarksi think cnd wants it disabled in ubuntu04:47
LLStarksi have my laptop manually set up to use 2-finger middle click and 2-finger scrolling04:48
LLStarksbtw danag, you can do it with the current drivers04:50
LLStarksit's just disabled by ubuntu because it screws up some touchpads04:51
DanaGOne big gripe: you can no longer do "synclient -m"04:51
DanaGSo you can't even tell how many fingers it sees!04:51
LLStarksyou can use xinput commands04:51
DanaGReally?  Can it give you this?04:51
DanaG     time     x    y   z f  w  l r u d m     multi  gl gm gr gdx gdy    0.000     1 5855   0 0  0  0 0 0 0 0  00000000   0  0  0   0   004:52
DanaGer04:52
DanaGThat was two lines.04:52
DanaGIt spews the current state.04:52
LLStarksxinput set-prop 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' 'Synaptics Two-Finger Pressure' 2904:52
DanaGThat's not what I want.04:52
DanaGWhat I want is real two-finger support.04:53
DanaGThere's exactly one magic Windows driver that gives me it.04:53
DanaGReal.  Not fake.04:53
DanaGIt must patch the firmware, or ignore the reported capabilities, or something.04:53
LLStarkswell, that command permits amazing 2-finger scrolling04:53
DanaGI get that shmconfig for settings changing was insecure... but we still need the "monitor" mode.04:53
DanaGStill not real.04:54
DanaGIf "monitor" is insecure, then make it root-only!04:54
DanaGYou can't get that log of touchpad data with xinput.04:54
LLStarkscan you give me the vendor string for the touchpad?04:54
DanaG"SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"04:55
DanaGi8042: PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,1204:55
DanaGIt's a 7.2 or 7.0 or something.04:55
LLStarkscan you link the driver in question?04:56
DanaGI also have a TouchStyk that's recognized as a "PS/2 Generic Mouse".04:56
LLStarkslenovo?04:56
DanaGNope, HP.04:56
LLStarkshp does nubs? O_o04:56
DanaGLenovo calls it TrackPoint; Synaptics calls it TouchStyk.04:56
DanaGYup, the business laptops do.04:56
DanaGI don't use mine, so it's not a big deal... but you can't set sensitivity or "press to click".04:56
DanaGhttp://www.mydigitallife.info/unlock-and-enable-multitouch-gestures-on-synaptics-touchpad-or-trackpad-driver-download/04:57
DanaGDirect URL: Win7: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp47501-48000/sp47815.exe   XP: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp47501-48000/sp47816.exe04:57
DanaGIt also unlocks the nice "ChiralMotion" scrolling.04:57
DanaGPicture circular scrolling where you don't have to go all the way around the center of the pad.  You can do a tiny circle starting in the scroll area, instead.04:58
DanaGAnd you can start vertical circle from right edge, or horizontal circle from bottom.04:58
DanaGA bit of HP fail: the stick buttons don't belong to the stick.04:59
DanaGSo you can't have stick scrolling AND have working touchpad middle button.04:59
DanaG(Yup, the 15" and above (now workstation only) EliteBooks have 3 buttons.04:59
DanaG)04:59
DanaGYou know you're a programmer when you're obsessive-compulsive about parentheses.05:00
DanaGHandy trick: open Mouse control panel, and press alt-shift-i05:00
DanaGSo either the driver is patching the firmware, or it's ignoring the capabilities and assuming full capabilities.05:01
DanaGIt's worked on an Athlon XP-M laptop that before could do only basic two-finger in Linux, as well as my 8530w that only ever did 1 finger.05:02
DanaGMagic trackpad: why the heck does a touchpad need to be wireless?  That's like having a cordless drill press.05:16
DanaGANd it makes it a no-go for places that don't allow bluetooth due to security concerns.05:17
LLStarkshey bryceh, i think the plymouth bug that causes x to crash upon an enter keypress is back in the daily images05:37
brycehLLStarks, hrm05:38
* bryceh thinks05:38
brycehwasn't that one something where plymouth was waiting for the user to enter something, and then resetting X once it detected a return?05:39
brycehLLStarks, try downgrading plymouth and see if it resolves05:39
anymouseaccidentally pressed enter05:40
* anymouse sighs05:40
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LLStarks_anyway, i've only observed it in the live session05:41
LLStarks_but enter will crash x05:41
LLStarks_pretty sure it's the same plymouth bug05:41
LLStarks_finally ghostkilled05:42
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LLStarksanyway bryceh, didn't catch anything after hrm05:42
LLStarksusing the onscreen keyboard is maddening05:43
bryceh* bryceh thinks05:45
bryceh<bryceh> wasn't that one something where plymouth was waiting for the user to enter something, and then resetting X once it detected a return?05:45
bryceh LLStarks, try downgrading plymouth and see if it resolves05:45
LLStarkswill do05:46
brycehlooks like there's been some recent commits to plymouth to handle tty keyboard output05:48
LLStarksthis is going to be a pain to test since it's a live environment, i can't press enter, and reinitializing plymouth under said circumstances is tough05:50
LLStarksthe strangest thing is that the bug has been present since at least alpha 1 images05:51
LLStarksand oneiric plymouth is in natty-updates05:52
LLStarkswould a text boot negate plymouth?05:53
brycehyep05:53
LLStarksjust get rid of quiet from the kernel line, right?05:53
brycehquiet and splash I think05:53
brycehhmm, 0.8.2-2ubuntu23 appears to be the latest plymouth version, which was on 21 Apr05:54
brycehso maybe it isn't a plymouth regression05:55
brycehLLStarks, pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log05:55
LLStarksi would if i didn't wipe my ubuntu partition yesterday <_<05:57
LLStarksbut like i said, i've worked around this bug since the first oneiric images05:58
brycehoh right, it's with the daily images anyway05:59
LLStarkslemme reboot and test splashless booting of the iso06:00
LLStarkswell, it's not plymouth. text boot didn't help. still crashing to tty upon first enter keypress.06:04
LLStarksand still no error messages06:05
brycehhmm06:08
brycehhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/53204706:15
ubot4Launchpad bug 532047 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Plymouth text-mode splash causes X to crash on first run due to shared tty7 (affects: 199) (dups: 44) (heat: 660)" [Undecided,Invalid]06:15
bryceh*** A temporary workaround is to disable the plymouth-splash upstart job ***06:16
brycehsudo mv /etc/init/plymouth-splash.conf /etc/init/plymouth-splash.conf.disabled06:16
brycehLLStarks, if it is indeed the bug we had before, see if that workaround works around it06:16
LLStarksis this something that needs to be done with a persistence so that the live session can be "rebooted" to test it06:17
brycehLLStarks, probably06:24
LLStarksif it works, it'll make my bacon-tester stick much more useful06:26
LLStarkshere we go06:28
LLStarksbryceh, no luck disabling plymouth or updating drivers07:10
LLStarkssounds like bug 78782107:15
ubot4Launchpad bug 787821 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Random X server crashes on keypress using natty (affects: 3) (heat: 127)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78782107:15
LLStarksi'm getting 8's and diamonds when i crash to tty07:15
LLStarksi'm going to try removing plymouth altogether07:16
LLStarksbrb07:17
LLStarksbryceh, confirming all symptoms of bug 787821. x starts on tty2 and crashes on 2 or enter07:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 787821 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Random X server crashes on keypress using natty (affects: 3) (heat: 127)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78782107:39
LLStarksscreen drops to a tty (not sure which) with nonsense output a few characters long07:40
LLStarks*starts on tty107:54
brycehhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/78782109:37
ubot4Launchpad bug 787821 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Random X server crashes on keypress using natty (affects: 3) (heat: 127)" [Undecided,New]09:37
tjaaltoni've actually seen that on lucid too09:41
tjaaltonrecently09:41
tjaaltonnot my machine but friends09:41
tjaaltonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/579313/comments/1909:48
ubot4Launchpad bug 579313 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "X crashes after pressing enter or 2 in 10.04 final release (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Triaged]09:48
RAOFShiny new mesa, now with working Unity!11:41
tjaalton7.11 snapshot?11:42
RAOFYeah.11:42
SarvattRAOF: awesome12:08
RAOFRunning a parallel build on the e62thingy to check that I haven't broken it.12:09
RAOFIt looks like it's faster to build mesa on it than to upgrade to oneiric :)12:12
seb128bug #803012 has an upstream commit backport waiting for sponsoring if somebody wants to have a look it12:42
ubot4Launchpad bug 803012 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Intel driver incorrectly renders some UI elements (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80301212:42
tjaaltonRAOF: push the intel release to git12:46
RAOF:(12:46
tjaaltonnot on your lappy?-)12:47
RAOFAm on my lappy, but URGH!  Sorry.12:47
RAOFPushed12:47
tjaaltonah nice, thought that the branch was not, but good12:47
tjaaltonseb128: I can take care of that12:48
SarvattRAOF: built fine parallel=8 here12:50
RAOFDid here, too.12:51
RAOFChecking that it actually works on the e6420, then uploading.12:51
seb128tjaalton, thanks12:55
tjaaltonuploaded12:56
ScottKSarvatt: I just had a complete X freeze (it didn't crash completely, but just froze - couldn't even move the cursor) on my Sandybridge laptop (Natty).  The only error I can find matches the error message in Bug 761065.  How can I file a useful bug/add information that woud be helpful?14:03
ubot4Launchpad bug 761065 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 4 other projects) "[Sandybridge] Spurious "*ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... blt ring idle" messages in dmesg when using compiz (affects: 52) (dups: 5) (heat: 298)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76106514:03
SarvattScottK: that's fixed already and sitting in natty-proposed kernel hell unfortunately14:04
Sarvattwont be released until 2.6.38-1114:04
ScottKSarvatt: OK.  So just patience then.  Thanks.14:04
tjaaltonRAOF: whoa, SRU team, and soon archive admin :P14:07
ScottKPretty soon he'll be useless for real work.14:26
RAOFHeh.14:30
tjaaltonhmm so do we tag every bug we pass on to the kernel?16:04
tjaaltoninput related too16:04
tjaalton"no"16:09
tjaaltonlightdm doesn't seem to restart the xserver on logout16:40
lilstevielightdm is also uglier16:40
lilsteviewell not so much uglier, just doesn't feel right16:41
RAOFtjaalton: I'm not sure about input :)16:41
jcristauit feels NIH.16:41
tjaaltonRAOF: Sarvatt said that no :)16:42
tjaaltonlightdm also starts on the current vt if you start it from one, and user switching b0rked atm16:43
tjaaltonsince it tries to run gdmflexiserver16:46
tjaaltonwell, the applet16:46
tjaaltonheh, the new gdm is in depwait, needs libaudit-dev in main16:50
tjaaltonkees: ^ :)16:50
tjaaltonor maybe gdm will end up in universe16:51
ScottKtjaalton: kdm doesn't restart the xserver on logout either, IIRC.16:53
lilsteviebut kdm is also a whore for getting on screen keyboards up :(16:53
tjaaltonScottK: right, so in order to test updates you need to either reboot or restart it by hand :)16:54
jcristausudo killall Xorg ftw16:55
ScottKlilstevie: That's true, but a separate issue.16:55
lilstevieScottK: heh16:55
tjaaltonthere's also a bug where cursor up doesn't work after a logout, but works if the server is restarted, and he's using kde ;)16:55
jcristaubad keymap reset on regen?16:56
tjaaltonprobably the cache playing tricks16:56
tjaaltondunno16:56
tjaaltonhm, something to rule out though16:59
RAOFOh, goddamn you PowerPC.  Why do we even build for you?17:10
tjaaltonok so -evdev wasn't pushed to git either17:25
tjaalton-1u12 upload17:26
RAOFIs that me again? :(17:27
tjaaltonnot sure :)17:27
tjaaltonnot blaming anyone yet, except me for not checking the current version earlier17:27
tjaaltonI already pushed my changes17:27
tjaaltonactually it was cnd this time :)17:28
tjaaltonI'll fix the changelog17:29
cndtjaalton, likely wasn't me17:30
cndI can't actually upload17:30
cndwell, maybe it was...17:30
cndI might have built a src package and had bryce sign and upload17:30
cndbut likely not :)17:30
cndI'm too lazy :)17:30
tjaaltonhehe :)17:30
tjaaltonhmm, no xauth with lightdm17:36
Sarvattlost all my indicators in todays upgrade, had to install the -gtk2 indicator packages17:47
tjaaltoni lost the sound one17:48
tjaaltonthe battery indicator has been gone longer17:48
Sarvattyeah true, networks gone too though17:48
Sarvattwonder if nm just needs a rebuild17:49
brycehtjaalton, in talking with ogasawara what they want is for us to tag 'kernel-handoff-graphics' for issues we think are worth the kernel team's attention, so not every bug we forward17:51
tjaaltonbryceh: ah, hehe17:51
brycehtjaalton, also, for really important ones (like ones with patches that are ready to go), also ping them on #ubuntu-kernel17:52
tjaaltonyeah quirky mice that scroll too fast clearly don't fall under that category..17:52
brycehRAOF, congrats on SRU-hood.  You can help us get more X fixes out :-)17:53
RAOFbryceh: Surch is the plan :)17:53
brycehI was poking around in lightdm to figure out how to hook in failsafe-x.  There isn't a way to do it yet, but I proposed something to Robert; waiting back on that.17:55
RAOFCool.17:55
tjaaltoncan't find where the server auth file should be stored17:56
RAOFRobert was asking about what failsafe X actually tries to do.17:56
brycehRAOF, ah, did you set him straight on it?17:58
RAOFYup.17:59
RAOFAt least, I think so :)17:59
brycehtjaalton, the X session seems to be called from /etc/lightdm/Xsession but for the auth file itself, should it go into /run?  or should it still live at $HOME/.Xauthority ?18:00
brycehI'm feeling like I'm missing out on all the good chats :-/18:01
brycehbut with it so quiet I'm getting lots done18:01
tjaaltonbryceh: actually, ligthdm puts it in /var/run/lightdm/authority/NUM18:01
brycehmakes sense18:01
tjaaltonat least that's where $XAUTHORITY is pointing, but doesn18:01
tjaalton't  work18:01
brycehpermissions?18:03
brycehseems to be owned/writable only by root18:03
tjaaltonnah, owned by me18:03
brycehhmm, on my machine the directory exists, owned by root, but is empty18:03
tjaaltonAttempting to break locks on authority file /var/run/lightdm/authority/218:04
tjaaltonthere18:04
tjaaltonxauth -v -b list18:04
bryceh# xauth -v -b list18:04
brycehAttempting to break locks on authority file /home/bryce/.Xauthority18:04
brycehUsing authority file /home/bryce/.Xauthority18:04
brycehwait18:05
tjaaltonyou are using gdm :)18:05
brycehno, running the command from an ssh session18:06
brycehok, yeah running from the machine itself get the same error you do18:06
brycehand then it times out after 30 sec or so18:07
tjaaltonyep18:07
tjaaltonfiled bug 80354618:07
ubot4Launchpad bug 803546 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Xauthority locked up (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80354618:07
brycehadded a bit more for the gpu lockup hook:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/635185/18:11
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