[00:34] <ScottL> astraljava, funny i asked about mudita this afternoon because during my trip home i got an email saying it was pushed into Debian :)
[00:34] <ScottL> astraljava, it would be awesome if you wanted to fill out a sync request
[00:59] <astraljava> ScottL: Yep. :) yeah, I'll do that tomorrow.
[13:38] <scott-work> astraljava: ping
[14:35] <scott-work> hi bassburner , i'll be looking at the website shortly (hopefully tonight) and will have some comments on it
[14:42] <scott-work> bassburner: i should also note that any suggestions you have would be most desired as well :)
[14:45] <holstein> w00t
[14:45] <holstein> im stoked about the site change
[14:45] <holstein> i was just poking around on the current one to get an iso
[15:03] <scott-work> holstein: yes, the old one is quite..."old"
[15:03] <scott-work> lol
[15:04] <scott-work> holstein: this is the one bassburner has up currently:  http://ubustu.exit66.com/
[15:04] <scott-work> i can't view it at work and haven't had a chance the past couple of days at home either
[15:10] <holstein> D00D
[15:10] <holstein> that is *so* nice
[15:12] <holstein> put it up :)
[15:12] <holstein> ive been thinking since the meeting
[15:12] <holstein> as much as i would like to move hosting off canonical
[15:12] <holstein> i think we should stay there
[15:16] <scott-work> then we need to get other people to get access as well, or perhaps i should run the charlie-tca route and ask for the ability to give other's permission
[22:06] <astraljava> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/803645
[22:06] <scott-work> astraljava: i was going to ask if you might want to help me with some backporting?
[22:06] <astraljava> Okay, probably gonna be AFK for some while. Might make it to the meeting, but still unsure. Email if needed.
[22:06] <astraljava> scott-work: I most certainly will!
[22:07] <astraljava> Let's talk about that during the weekend if I'm able, early next week if not sooner.
[22:07] <astraljava> I am skipping town tomorrow morning, and will not have a machine unless Jussi provides me one on Friday.
[22:07] <astraljava> If not, I'll have access on Monday again.
[22:10] <astraljava> Whoa! USB harddrive has root:gdm as privileges?!
[22:10] <astraljava> Err... ownership.
[22:11] <scott-work> astraljava: no problem, it's been hanging for a month or more so it can certainly wait a little longer ;)
[22:12] <astraljava> scott-work: Cool, cool.
[22:13] <dtchen> scott-work: should we stop shipping envy24control, then, in 11.10?
[22:13] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah, email me about the apps and stuff you'd like to be backported, and I'll see what I can do about them. I can set up chroots for any releases, but will not have full test envs until I move all my machines to the new place.
[22:23] <dtchen> astraljava: ^^
[22:27] <astraljava> dtchen: I've been using mudita24 for a while now, but granted, not exhaustively, and since there appears to be some issue with S/PDIF getting stuck after usage, I have refrained from hooking digital in for some while.
[22:28] <astraljava> dtchen: What I'm trying to say, I'm not 100% positive it's a drop-in replacement. Can we still ship envy24control, you know, just to be on the safe side?
[22:28] <scott-work> dtchen: i would like to
[22:28] <dtchen> astraljava: what's the current situation with envy24control? I know for 11.04's it's pretty horrible.
[22:29] <dtchen> astraljava: i.e., I began backporting all the necessary patches to SRU alsa-tools in 11.04 but got stalled.
[22:29] <dtchen> astraljava: so I wonder in 11.10 currently whether envy24control is actually usable. My gut is "no".
[22:29] <astraljava> dtchen: I haven't noticed any other peculiarities, outside that S/PDIF getting stuck.
[22:30] <astraljava> And I have no idea so far where that problem lies in.
[22:30] <scott-work> astraljava: is that with mudita or envycontrol?
[22:30] <astraljava> scott-work: Both.
[22:30] <scott-work> ah
[22:30] <dtchen> astraljava: so envy24control works in 11.10?
[22:30] <astraljava> scott-work: That was the reason I tried mudita24 in the first place.
[22:30] <astraljava> scott-work: No change.
[22:31] <dtchen> astraljava: ok
[22:31] <scott-work> my expectation was that mudita24 would be a drop in replacement for envy24control
[22:31] <astraljava> scott-work: I would _think_ so too, but I'm not a heavy-user by far.
[22:31] <scott-work> the one thing that i particularly like about mudita24 is that the inputs have gradations on them
[22:31] <astraljava> by any means*
[22:32] <astraljava> scott-work: What's a gradation?
[22:32] <scott-work> sadly the only machine that i could use to test is my main machine which i will not install 11.10 on it
[22:32] <scott-work> astraljava: marking showing the level
[22:32] <dtchen> so my proposal is to continue shipping envy24control as part of alsa-tools-gui
[22:33] <scott-work> astraljava: this is a crappy picture but it makes my point:  http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/doc/suse/suse9.0/userguide-9.0/sound_envy_analog.png
[22:34] <scott-work> adjusting the levels is difficult because you don't know where these are set
[22:34] <scott-work> astraljava: conversely, this shows the levels:  http://nielsmayer.com/envy24control/Mudita24-102-Analog-Volume.png
[22:35] <scott-work> i was getting a distorted sound on my vocals because i never realised that some levels were not +0 at the top but +18
[22:35] <astraljava> scott-work: Okay, gotcha.
[22:35] <astraljava> dtchen: Yeah. I would have to agree with that.
[22:36] <scott-work> dtchen:  are you advocating shipping envy24control along with mudita24?  and is that because we haven't validated mudita24?  or is there another reason?
[22:37] <dtchen> scott-work: my primary focus is reducing duplication. If mudita24 is a drop-in replacement, that's a no-brainer.
[22:38] <dtchen> scott-work: however, we haven't validated that the latter is a drop-in replacement, so it's better to be a bit conservative until we get more testers.
[22:40] <scott-work> sounds good to me
[22:49] <astraljava> Agreed. Now, must get my nightly 5 hours of sleep. Busy day tomorrow, err... today. See ya later, folks. :)