=== bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === rejistania is now known as Korban [01:02] stupid question but it all differs from when I last installed *buntu... where is the grub config? [01:05] Korban: it's switched to grub2, the new config is at /boot/grub/grub.cfg [01:05] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 is useful for learning the new configuration (it's much different) [01:09] pleia2: thx... but from what it seems like, I cannot do anything there... like setting that one kernelparameter that makes the buntu start... [01:10] Korban: yeah, the "Configuring GRUB 2" section of that wiki page has details, it's not just a single menu.lst type file anymore [01:11] found it [01:11] thx [01:11] sure :) [02:30] Is it just me or is Xubuntu 11.04 broken? I've burned a few different 11.04 CDs and DVDs at work and none of them would boot. 10.04 works fine. [02:30] (I've tried them on various different computers) === fern is now known as Guest85768 [05:44] I am trying to get my xfce desktop to do this annoying thing with the icons [05:54] ? [05:55] ? [05:55] orngjce223: u know how to make the icons not snap to the invisible grid on the desktop?. [05:55] thats not posible [05:55] position of icons are defined by a grid on a config file [05:56] ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0.rc [05:57] gridcube: so THERE IS a way to make that invisible grid much smaller eyy? [05:57] mmm i don't know about that [05:58] I think maybe you should talk to #xfce [05:58] naw [05:58] every1 is afk or idling in #xfce [05:58] Ah [05:59] Well, they're more easily asked around noon-4pm EST [05:59] Not entirely sure why though [05:59] orngce223: I see [05:59] gridcube: so if I edit that file in ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0.rc [06:00] I can make it go away?. [06:00] go away? [06:00] like what? [06:00] well what I ment was, more freely movable [06:00] no [06:00] not snapping to a huge box grid every ince [06:00] *inch [06:01] no, i don't think you can do that [06:01] besides isn't it easier to use panels anyway? [06:02] what does that have to do with panels?. [06:02] =? [06:03] I think he means files, not launchers [06:03] if you want some launchers on your desktop its prettier and easier to have it on panels [06:03] oh... who keeps files on his desktop? thats just messy [06:03] I dunno [06:03] sorry the_file :( [06:03] I keep stuff there when I /know/ I will want to use two or three files together in one program and need a temporary scratchpad space to put everything [06:04] i don't think you can do that [06:04] After that it gets wiped though [06:04] I don't do icon madness like /some/ people I know [06:04] (although that's just as much a windows problem) [06:04] well I don't get it [06:04] true [06:05] why shoulden't xfce let the icons move feely about [06:05] the_file, people on xfce or xubuntu try to do a simple interface, adding stuff like that makes coding really more complex [06:06] now to edit where the icons are xfce has a simple txt file whit 3 words [06:06] what exactly is the file located in: ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0.rc [06:06] open it :D [06:07] you will see that everything on your desktop has a row and column indicator, aint that smart [06:07] oww [06:08] but this doesen't help my problem with that invisible grid does it?. [06:08] No, it shows you why that invisible grid exists [06:08] its not meant to, its to show you that there is no way to fix that "invisible grid" [06:08] yes I understand [06:08] Okay [06:08] Sorry [06:08] :D [06:08] what a peice of shit design lol [06:08] i disagree [06:08] nobody wants to rewrite code [06:09] well at least not the devs [06:09] you could report a wishlist bug to launchap [06:09] launchpad [06:09] Y'know, if you'd like to change it, if you can find a way to make it not snap that is still very light, you can write the code yourself, though I doubt others will do it for you [06:10] It's a thing I run into too [06:10] he could do a wishlist bug, so developer will know some people care about that [06:10] orngjce223: well my point here is, the user is stuck with a box like desktop [06:10] if he doesnt developer will never know [06:10] ONLY xfce uses that model [06:10] I tried to install xubuntu type thing on a very old tablet, and the wifi driver hangs [06:10] I'm not fussed [06:10] the_file, i really like that model [06:10] yep [06:10] its not for every1 [06:10] It's old and I can just plug it into ethernet cable if necessary [06:10] well not for me [06:11] True enough. [06:11] do an lspci [06:11] leme see [06:11] Heh, it's fine [06:11] then do lsmod [06:11] :v [06:11] the_file, :D thats the pretty of linux, you have a gazillion of options to choose, im sure you can find a desktop that fits your needs :) [06:11] No, I don't have it in front of me /right now/ [06:11] :v [06:12] gridcube: well there are only 4 desktop enviorments beind actively developed [06:12] so you don't really have much choice [06:12] xfcedesktop, pcmanfm, rox, and nautilus [06:12] maybe kdes, but thats qt [06:13] there are lots of implementations of those [06:13] gridcube: is there a hacked down version of nautilus?. [06:13] anyway if you think is something important you could submit a wishlist bug [06:14] mmm openbox? [06:14] openbox is not a desktop manager [06:14] not? [06:14] its a window manager [06:15] oh [06:15] my mistake then, im mixing things up [06:15] gridcube: can u submit the bug to launchpad?. [06:16] the_file: I can give you a link but you have to fill it in [06:16] I hate making accounts that I won't use agian [06:16] well it's openid based login I believe [06:16] but I think this is a much needed feature [06:16] you probably already have an account on an openid provider service: [06:16] the_file, you can do it by executing ubuntu-bug xfdesktop [06:17] * the_file asks orngjce223 to kindly submit 2 lines to the wish list [06:17] http://openid.net/get-an-openid/ [06:17] Use any one of those and you can log in [06:17] It isn't a new account so no fuss really [06:18] orngjce223: can u plz?. [06:18] basically its: give option to user to make invisible grid go away [06:18] I would rather not do it for you [06:18] heh [06:18] they probly won't do it anyways [06:18] Huh [06:19] I don't think im the first person to want that feature [06:20] Hmm [06:20] Well [06:20] I did give you a range of times right? at the times that I said you can contact people you might tactfully bring it up in #xubuntu-devel and see if anyone bites [06:21] 12-4 eastern is usually the best time for that, like I said [06:21] worth a try [06:21] but I don't think anyone would care [06:23] seems like I should try a different manager [06:24] oh well [06:24] * orngjce223 sigh [06:24] you cant please everyone can't you [06:24] I really don't see that mattering for someone without obsessive tendencies, but different strokes for different folks I guess? [06:24] yep [06:25] Just don't interfere with how I do it, that's all I ask. [06:25] besides keeping stuff on folders its prettier [06:25] Keeping stuff in folders is prettier? Really? [06:25] * orngjce223 digs out picture [06:26] http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=002357 [06:26] "NEW FOLDER" "NEW FOLDER" "NEW FOLDER" "NEW FOLDER" [06:28] XD [06:28] The fact that the guy's web browser is called "COMPLETE BULLSHIT" doesn't hurt, either. :v [06:29] Okay no wrong word [06:29] Not web browser, content aggregator [06:29] ...Or whatever the hell it is [06:29] But I digress [06:29] wildly [06:30] * GridCube shows http://imagebin.org/160509 [06:35] http://i.imgur.com/ZLUjK.png [06:35] ubuntustudio will be using xfce desktop in its next incarnation, I'm told, so I'm seeing how well the integration works [06:36] the thing at the bottom left is a pop-up launcher with useful commands that help me nudge the audio subsystem whenever it starts going astray (which is often) [06:37] jack eh? never could make it work [06:38] Yes [06:38] And a low-latency kernel to boot [06:38] (mostly because I'm still sitting on Lucid, /still/, and the latency patches won't be on our kernel until 12.04 or so) [06:39] The main two issues: [06:39] one, Qt applications look /ugly/ in XFCE because the GTK themes don't get applied to Qt programs in XFCE where they did get applied in GNOME [06:39] and two, I can't get user switch to work at all, not while I have any audio plugged in using the low latency subsystem [06:40] :( i have no idea for that [06:40] i just use alsa [06:40] Yeah I know [06:40] It's a thing about the low latency thing [06:40] It's a very small corner case [06:40] So I just don't use fast user switch [06:40] :/ i don't know what "low latency" means [06:41] It means [06:41] The kernel gives special priority to processing stuff that comes through this specific system [06:42] I had to have special privileges applied to every account that can use the "oi! kernel, get this through now, not in five milliseconds" treatment [06:42] it works pretty well though [06:42] Although [06:42] The main reason Jack tends to fail is because either you don't have the privileges or you don't have a low latency kernel [06:42] i see [06:42] You can set it up to not require either but the defaults fall that way [06:42] then again [06:43] It's not really necessary unless you're serious audio [06:43] yes, I understend that [06:43] But yeah [06:43] Just learning stuff by osmosis [06:43] the reason i did played a while whit it was becvause i wanted to stream to an icecast2 server [06:43] XD [06:43] Hahahaha [06:43] Yeah [06:44] and finally i ended using foobar2000 tru wine to do so [06:44] I don't really know how people work on Windows with audio without extensive patchbay rewiring support [06:44] Huh [06:44] http://butt.sourceforge.net/ [06:44] its a lot easier than that [06:44] :v [06:44] Yeah I know, juvenile name, but it works if your computer is good enough to compress on the fly [06:45] Which mine isn't; it's a teensy little grimy netbook I bought off someone who was throwing it away for $10 [06:45] oh, yes thats probably true [06:45] But it /works/. [06:45] but then again back in the day i used a PII whit win98 to stream to an icecast server at 12kbs [06:45] XD [06:45] I'm just tweaking things here and there in the UI and maybe prod the ubuntustudio people with "this is a thing I like" occasionally [06:46] :) [06:46] thats cool [06:46] So 's cool [06:46] im here because i like xfce, back in 2000 it was the only desktop enviroment my machine wanted to boot [06:47] since them i love it [06:47] The other thing I like is Homestuck, which is a webcomic that has musical segments and thus like thirty+ electronic composers attached to it [06:47] and everytime i used linux i installed xfce on it XD [06:47] I linked it earlier actually, homestuck is just the latest installment of ms paint adventures anyway [06:47] I'll refrain from fangirling as much as is practical but y'know how fangirls are [06:48] never heard of butt, and i lurked my friend [06:49] Heh [06:49] the other thing you might like is ezstream, which unfortunately is a command-line and config file tool only [06:49] But it works [06:50] It only plays files from a selected playlist but it works [06:50] yes i tried that but making playlists is hard on linux, and you have to make them on somesort of xml file and its too much work to play 3 songs [06:51] Well [06:51] I do it weirdly [06:51] I drag copies of all the files I want into a folder [06:51] Then I open them up in totem and save the playlist as a .m3u (yes it's a thing that you can do) [06:51] then I open it up in a text editor and prepend the full path [06:52] That is what I pass into ezstream as the playlist [06:52] It's roundabout but faster than the alternatives [06:52] i see [06:52] I mean it would be cool if you could do it faster but right now we don't have tools [06:53] Same as fiddling with any number of linux's rough edges because the tools that already exist aren't good enough [06:54] yes well thats why i ended using foobar2000 tru wine whit the streamer plugin [06:54] it just works [06:54] Hehe [06:54] yeah [06:54] "just works" is rare on linuxes in general [06:54] ubuntu derivatives are better than a lot of distributions in this regard [06:55] and you can change the playlist on the fly so if people wants you to play something you can [06:55] Mmmm. [06:55] Well [06:55] :) yes [06:55] If you send the right signal to ezstream using "kill -s _" you can get it to reread the file [06:55] Instead of just killing it outright of course [06:55] I'm not sure what goes there though I haven't had to use it [06:56] But yeah [06:56] This is a thing that isn't well developed at all [06:57] good for people who are willing to poke and prod and ask Google and read man pages [06:58] maybe not so much for someone who just wants their graphics tablet to work, dammit, or someone who needs to have Obscure Peripheral working so that they can move their baby pictures onto the computer [06:58] XD then im a cheater [06:58] Well [06:58] For most hardware it's nearly perfect [06:58] Just that the dark spots encroach closer on Linux and you generally get pointed to obscure notes to maybe or maybe not fix it [06:59] whereas the manufacturer of the obscure peripheral has an obvious incentive to provide windows drivers and no incentive to provide them for mac or linux since they aren't making them any money anyway [06:59] i can't install butt :( [06:59] Oh. :c I dunno, are my hints on using ezstream any help? [07:00] You could ask #opensourcemusicians they know more about sound than I do [07:00] nah its ok [07:00] its not really important its just something i like to do from time to time [07:00] True [07:00] Heh [07:00] stream for my friends and stuff [07:00] Yeah [07:01] When I do that I make it clear that I have a tool that makes it difficult to have live voiceovers, change the playlist, etc. [07:01] make them listen mongolian throat singing for example XD [07:01] People I broadcast to are pretty accomodating [07:01] Hehe [07:01] I find myself still stuck in chip type music though I often add other synths or instruments [07:02] My brain just happens to be really good with stuff that could plausibly be played on an old system, or a piano for that matter [07:02] XD i don't hate techno music, but it get to my nerves sometimes [07:02] Hehe [07:02] I like music with drums sometimes, I just can't seem to compose with drums at all though [07:03] Or if I do, not very well [07:05] XD can i offer you to listen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue1EihxQVNo [07:06] i like folkloric music, of any kind [07:06] Flash audio broke last week and I haven't bothered fiddling enough to get it fixed :c [07:07] indian, mongolian, inuti, inca, japanese, gaelic [07:07] XD [07:07] So no youtube right now [07:07] oh :P well you loose it then XD [07:07] Heh [07:08] Well [07:08] XD i can stream it XD [07:08] That may be the fault of me pulling in a huge PPA with bleeding edge audio packages because it breaks often [07:08] Hehe [07:08] No need [07:08] :P [07:08] that probably is [07:08] Heh [07:09] you should use virtualboxes for that :P [07:09] I consider it an audio workstation in a kit. You put it together yourself, if the instructions don't work you get to keep the pieces. :v [07:09] Heh [07:09] I did say [07:09] Grimy little netbook [07:09] oh, qemu boxes then [07:09] XD [07:09] I'm not even going to try virtualizing on this thing, I have... not even 1GB to work with [07:10] I think it was 768 of memory [07:10] ;) [07:10] Can't seriously run this type system with less than 512 to play with [07:10] 256 if you're willing to excise major portions [07:10] I don't know about that [07:10] Other reason I'm running xfce of course [07:10] Light and it gets out of my way when I actually want to do something [07:11] I doubt I'm going to touch the main ubuntu desktop again; they've done too much to it and Unity doesn't fit the way I work [07:12] :D [07:12] xfce can use more users [07:12] Heh [07:12] I've been pointing people to "hey you can use kde or xfce if you don't like gnome3 or unity" [07:13] Dunno how many people have actually taken me up on it but whatever [07:13] acording to the people on #x-dev many [07:13] Cool [07:14] :) yes [07:14] unity has made a lot of work disgregating ubuntu [07:14] ironically [07:15] orngjce223: You don't point to KDE, XFCE and LXDE? ;) [07:16] but we dont want people going to lxde, they take out business [07:16] Hehe [07:16] lubuntu isn't official yet [07:20] That it isn't... But they should/will be this cycle (And I thought we were friendly to out brother ;) ) [07:21] Cool [07:21] Heh [07:21] I'm sure it's a thing that is nice too, but I'm gonna sit on one of the few things that Just Works in this world. :v [07:23] :D [07:24] and now i broke gstreamer! [07:24] I'm typing this from Xubuntu SSH'd into Lubuntu, so either way, I win :D [07:24] (Maybe we should move this to !ot ) [07:24] maybe i should go to sleep [07:24] good night everybody [07:25] It's only 2:25! [07:25] hehe [08:53] can i use xubuntu with 256mb ram? [10:22] usb audio woes, anyone want to help me out for a second? [11:09] hi people. The lullaby plugin caused my gmusicbrowser to mute it's volume. How do I reset the volume? [11:11] nevermind, found it. [11:21] Trying to disable HDMI audio output... [11:33] MikeDD: are you using pulse-audio? (if yes, install pavucontrol and play with that) [12:51] Know of any good docks? [12:51] anybody? [14:54] can anybody help, using xubuntu natty, cannot get to desktop with my 1st user account; correct password etc., logged in but somehow sent automatically back to the login screen right away after short blackscreen which look so much like the one after i logout after session; this is my emergency created account; with my 1st i can however get to terminal using ctrl+alt f2 and login from there and do other commands, just no desktop, hints anyone? [14:56] new-b: try removing .ICEauthority from the user directory and restarting. [14:59] how do i do that? as my nick suggest, i'm new at this kinda stuff... ; ) sorry [15:00] maybe you take a look at: man rm [15:04] well it not (just) that, like where exactly do i find this file... [15:05] new-b: log in to the account you are able to, cd /home/OTHER_USER_NAME , rm ~/.ICEauthority , reboot [15:05] If you can't get to a desktop in either account, do that for both accounts [15:14] @the old user home when i try to remove "no such file or directory" [15:14] Did you remember the dot in front of ICEauthority? [15:15] yes [15:15] and you typed it exactly the same way? [15:15] ICEauthority? [15:15] the caps in ICE matter, too [15:16] yes, exactly the same [15:17] then try going to that directory, type [15:17] ls -lA | more [15:18] and see if it really doesn't exist. the more says you have to hit space bar to keep going [15:18] It will show one screen of names at a time, space for the next screenfull [15:21] i don't think this is a good thing but it says total 0 :' ( [15:22] Well, That it not a good thing [15:22] That means there are no files at all [15:23] which is as good as the user not existing [15:23] You won't be able to login to that user account [15:24] now, for the account you can log into in a TTY? [15:24] it also won't give you a desktop? [15:25] is it relevant that when i install it on the first place i chose the option to 'encript' the home directory? and btw, i can login to the old user through ctrl+alt f2 and wrtie commands and such there [15:27] Everything you do is relevant. That means you have decrypt to do anything in it [15:27] so, maybe it is there and the encryption is hiding it [15:28] in which case, I can' t help with it [15:28] oh ok, thanks for trying anyway :) [15:29] No problem, but when giving us the issues, include all those little details like that. It gets you much better help [15:30] didn't really occur to me until it say no file, sorry [17:28] dear all [17:28] Please don't write a letter in IRC [17:29] Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know. [17:29] i have a problem with a fresh xubuntu install on my dell latitude d505 laptop - the xorg server does not use the proper driver, but resolves to FB [17:30] how can i change that / force the server to use the intel module? [17:30] Did you install the drivers in System -> Additional drivers? [17:30] * ball thinks about MCGA [17:30] what video card? [17:30] no, years ago when the last ubuntu was on this machine there was no need to install it seperately [17:31] there are no drivers available in the "add-driver" tab [17:31] * charlie-tca thinks about less than -i915 [17:31] it is a intel 855gm [17:33] because of the FB-driver, i can not configure external monitor devices (which is the main problem, because the laptops internal display is dead and i switched to an external one with higher resolution that cannot be configured properly) [17:33] i really wondered why this went to be complicated while years ago it was quite easy to switch the output and resolution?! [17:34] because intel stopped supporting older drivers, I think [17:34] Might try #ubuntu-x , which deals with such things more [17:35] thank you for the hint charlie-tca, will investigate into the driver version thing and contact the guys over there [19:02] Hey guys, I'm having some trouble changing my sources.list to use rsync instead of http. I keep getting an error that rsync isnt showing up in /usr/lib/apt/methods/, any guesses guys? Here is the test sources.list that I used: http://paste.ubuntu.com/635215/ [19:03] Not all the mirrors/servers allow rsync [19:04] charlie-tca, Correct, but in this case https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirror.anl.gov tells me that this aprticular source supports rsync [21:50] I'm working on a friends laptop, I'm connected to the wireless router, but I can't bring up any webpages in firefox? [21:51] can it ping google? [21:52] charlie-tca, let me give it a try, lost power and I'm rebooting. [21:53] That's my test to see if it gets past the router [21:53] also tells you if resolve is working. Sometimes you can ping google.com, but not the ip addresses [21:53] charlie-tca, nope, can't ping google, or Google. [21:53] not going past the router? [21:54] ping -c 4 google.com [21:54] ping -c 4 74.125.127.103 [21:55] either one should work. If neither one works, it is stuck at the router [21:55] charlie-tca, I can't even ping the router, but my tool bar shows I'm connected? [21:56] doesn't count. [21:56] what does ipconfig or iwconfig give as the address? [21:56] Should be an ip address assigned to the nic, other than 127... [21:57] charlie-tca, no ip address assigned to the wireless card, eth1 [21:57] Then you are not connected to anything [21:58] charlie-tca, the network icon on my toolbar says the connection is active? [21:58] That's when I get lost [21:58] It doesn't matter what it says, it is not connecting. I don't know why it thinks it is. [21:59] Unless it is connecting to a different wireless, or trying to. But if there is no ping ability, it is not connected. [22:00] charlie-tca, I'm iwconfig shows a signal level of 60 db, and a noise level of 85 db. Could it be my connection mode, ad-hoc vs infrastructure? [22:01] I don't know that part. I usually mess with ifconfig up/down and struff at this point [22:01] I don't understand the modes for wireless enough [22:03] sudo ifup eth1: ifup interface eth1 already configured [22:03] is the wireless eth1 or wlan0? [22:03] Is there a eth0 also? [22:04]