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PythonSnakeyeah00:00
PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: Hardware acceleration is enabled.00:02
PythonSnakeI've checked00:02
SIR_Tacoif you run it from konsole do you get any more information? ALT-F2 konsole ... then type "chromium-browser"00:03
PythonSnake.. konsole is terminal..00:07
SIR_Tacoyes00:07
LINKSWORD2lol00:07
LINKSWORD2.... WTF?!00:08
szal[01:07:17] <LINKSWORD2> lol00:08
szal[01:07:17] <-- LINKSWORD2 has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer).00:08
LINKSWORD2... Really? WTF?00:08
LINKSWORD2-_-00:08
PythonSnake?00:10
PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: same00:10
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SIR_TacoPythonSnake: what version of Kubuntu?00:10
SIR_TacoLINKSWORD2: seems your peers didn't like you00:11
PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: how to check?00:11
PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: I think it's latest00:11
SIR_TacoPythonSnake: in a terminal type "lsb_release -r"00:12
LINKSWORD2Python, you can find out by going to the Help app in your task menu.00:12
LINKSWORD2... Or that. :/00:12
PythonSnake11.0400:13
PythonSnakelatest.00:13
SIR_TacoPythonSnake: ok, give me a second to see what I can find00:13
SIR_TacoPythonSnake: you could try updating to a newer (beta) version of Chrome to see if it fixes the problem: https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta00:17
SIR_Tacomight just be a problem with that version.... if it still doesn't work, you can always revert back to the old one00:18
PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: ok00:19
SIR_TacoI think I broke him/her lol00:26
PythonSnakeme ?00:27
SIR_TacoPythonSnake: yes, there you are... does it work now?00:27
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PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: nah same :(00:28
PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: maybe use any other browser ?00:30
SIR_TacoPythonSnake: anything that doesn't use Webkit from the looks of things... Firefox should work fine00:30
PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: it freezes00:31
SIR_TacoPythonSnake: there is something not right with your computer....00:31
PythonSnake?00:32
PythonSnakeit works great on gnome00:32
SIR_TacoPythonSnake: chrome and firefox work fine on Gnome? do  you have both installed at the same time?00:33
szalwhat's the problem anyway?  (backlog too long to read up)00:33
SIR_Tacoszal: Chrome and Rekonq seg-fault, firefox freezes00:33
szalgfx driver issue?00:34
SIR_Tacoszal: that was my thought00:34
szalSIR_Taco: what card?00:34
SIR_Tacoszal: not my card, it's PythonSnake's card... Intel I believe00:35
szalno friggin' idea about Intel00:35
PythonSnake:(00:35
szalas far as I gather, Intel gfx is an utter mess anyway00:35
PythonSnakeFound !00:37
PythonSnakeSIR_Taco: rekonq crashed when I go to "http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/the-ubuntu-font/"00:38
PythonSnakestrange00:38
PythonSnake:\00:38
szalPythonSnake: that site is pure HTML, nothing fancy embedded, afaics00:39
SIR_Tacomaybe reqonq doesn't like the new font set feature... but that doesn't figure out the rest00:40
PythonSnake...00:40
SnowhogSIR_Taco: Jumping in late, but if video is suspected, has PythonSnake disabled some/all of the Desktop Effects and see what happens then?00:41
BATiPythonSnake: hmm, your computer is seriously broken... I have that page opened in rekonq right now... even on Interl graphic crap00:42
BATiIntel, indeed :)00:43
PythonSnakeseriously broken ?00:43
PythonSnake:(00:43
SnowhogBATi: Also here. Rekonq running on Kubuntu 11.04 64-bit with an Intel Graphics chip. Works fine.00:43
SIR_TacoSnowhog: no idea... I'm stumped00:43
BATiSnowhog: yup, same specs... only KDE SC updated to 4.6.400:44
SnowhogBATi: KDE 4.6.4 here also.00:44
PythonSnakehow to check kde version ?00:45
SnowhogPythonSnake: Do you by chance, have the Blur Desktop Effect enabled? On an Intel GPU, at least on mine, Blur doesn't work, and I have it unchecked.00:45
szalPythonSnake: look in any KDE app's Help menu00:45
szalPythonSnake: or run 'kwin --version'00:46
PythonSnakeblur ?00:46
PythonSnakehow to check ?00:46
PythonSnakeI got 4.6.2 !00:47
SnowhogPythonSnake: System Settings > Desktop Effectes > All Effects tab.00:47
szaliow, 11.04 default00:47
PythonSnakelol...00:47
PythonSnakedesktop effects are disabled00:48
SnowhogPythonSnake: Okay, eliminates that as a 'possible' contributor.00:48
SnowhogPythonSnake: You might want to giver serious consideration to upgrading KDE to 4.6.400:48
PythonSnake?00:48
PythonSnakehow ?00:49
SnowhogPythonSnake: 'how' is not relevant, as Blur (or any Desktop Effects) isn't enabled.00:49
szalPythonSnake: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa00:49
PythonSnakeSnowhog: how to upgrade00:50
SnowhogPythonSnake: szal gave you the link.00:50
PythonSnakehmm dont have working browser..00:51
szalPythonSnake: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa <- to be precise00:51
SnowhogPythonSnake: You can install Firefox. The installer is in the K Menu.00:51
szalPythonSnake: if all else fails -> w3m on the terminal, enough to read text00:52
SIR_TacoSnowhog: firefox locks up on him too.... that's where the "hmmmm" comes from00:52
SIR_Tacodoesn't seg-fault... just locks00:52
PythonSnakeugh00:52
PythonSnakeI right clicked and removed something now taskbar is on the top how to reset ?00:53
szalshort version -> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade00:53
SnowhogPythonSnake: In a console type: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade00:53
Snowhogszal: :)00:53
szalSnowhog: no need to dist-upgrade00:53
Snowhogszal: I alwasy use dist-upgrade as it inteligently handles dependencies, adding/removing as required. uprade does not.00:54
* szal uses aptitude ;)00:54
* Snowhog does all package management via the console using apt-get00:55
szalapt was deprecated by Debian a while ago, so I chose to go w/ aptitude00:56
Snowhogszal: Maybe so, but apt is still very much alive. ;)00:57
SIR_Tacoszal: YOU were depreciated a whie ago! (kidding of course) :)00:57
szallol00:58
PythonSnakeupgrading00:58
PythonSnake:)00:58
SnowhogPythonSnake: When it's completed, and this is what I do, perform a shutdown/restart and when logged back in to the desktop, open a console and repeat: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Yes, I know, but I do it anyway. My systems have always been trouble free.01:00
PythonSnakeok01:01
PythonSnakehmm01:05
PythonSnakeI just came from gnome01:06
PythonSnakeso I used a command to delete gnome and stuff01:06
PythonSnakehow to completly delete them ?01:06
PythonSnakecuz I've found some running proccess of them01:06
genii-around!purekde01:09
ubottuIf you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »01:09
PythonSnakeok01:12
PythonSnakeSnowhog: I can't view youtube videos it's black01:13
jwashis there a repository/page that will generate a kernel cfg based upon the results from 'lspci -n'01:13
SnowhogPythonSnake: That will almost certainly be a Flash issue. Is your CPU 64-bit?01:17
PythonSnakeno.01:17
SnowhogPythonSnake: Install via KPackagekit kubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-addons01:18
PythonSnakeok01:19
SnowhogPythonSnake: As to removing all Ubuntu stuff, assuming you installed kubuntu-desktop, see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde01:21
PythonSnaketried that01:22
SIR_TacoI'm sorry, but I fail to see how removing all traces of GTK would help the problem?01:23
PythonSnakeugh sorry i gtg01:23
SnowhogSIR_Taco: Not to solve the browser problem - PythonSnake want's a pure KDE system now.01:23
PythonSnakethanks for the help01:23
PythonSnaketake care01:24
SIR_TacoSnowhog: still... how are hardware accel problems going to be helped with removing Gnome?01:24
SnowhogSIR_Taco: We are past that as far as I can tell. The upgrade to KDE 4.6.4 likely fixed his problem with that I think.01:25
SIR_TacoSnowhog: sorry... I missed the bit about the KDE system :)01:25
SnowhogSIR_Taco: You're forgiven. :)01:26
SIR_Tacoserves me right for being busy, haha01:26
cdunlapIs anyone seeing any issues with the kubuntu ppa's?  I seem to be getting a 404 a few of the natty directories01:27
SIR_Tacocdunlap: are you using the main servers? or the local ones?01:30
cdunlapHere are a couple of the failed fetch's:01:31
cdunlapW: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found01:31
cdunlapW: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found01:31
cdunlapnot sure if that helps or not01:32
FloodBotK1cdunlap: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.01:32
cdunlapI see from the floodbotk1 message that I shouldn't have done that.  My apologies01:32
SIR_Tacocdunlap: not a problem.... what do you use to update? PackageKit?01:33
cdunlapapt-get mainly01:34
cdunlapfrom the command line01:35
SIR_Tacodo you have kpackagekit installed?01:35
cdunlapdoesn't look like it01:36
SIR_Tacoor I guess you could run, in a console: "sudo software-properties-kde"01:36
cdunlapI will pull the kpackagekit down rq01:37
SIR_Tacoshouldn't need it... should be able to do the "sudo software-properties-kde" without it I believe01:38
cdunlapthat brought up the software sources menu01:38
cdunlapshowing download from: server from canda01:39
cdunlapoops... canada01:39
SIR_Tacocdunlap: and you're in Canada?01:39
cdunlapno, can't even spell it, I am in the US01:39
cdunlapI just changed it to the main server01:39
BugsbaneMain server is massively faster and we're near Toronto :)01:40
cdunlapsorry about the misspell01:40
SIR_Tacocdunlap: I am :) ... yes you can try the main server... or you can click the drop-down list and select "Other..." and either pick your server, or click the "Select Best Server" Button01:40
cdunlapI will give that a shot and see what happens.01:41
BugsbaneI wish it would do a "Select best server" automatically when you're first installing Kubuntu...01:42
BugsbaneRather than just base it on your timezone01:42
SIR_TacoBugsbane: that's a very good point01:42
BugsbaneThankyou, sir :)01:42
SIR_TacoI'll add that to my list :)01:43
Bugsbane\o/01:43
cdunlapit picked one at Michigan State.  I appreciate the informatin01:43
cdunlapgood lord, I can't spell anything.  See I am an equal opportunity misspeller01:43
cdunlapactually it is still giving me the same errors01:45
cdunlapI will try the main server and try my luck01:45
SIR_Tacocdunlap: that's odd01:48
SIR_Tacothe Toronto one works for me... but I'm only a couple hours from Toronto01:49
jwashhow do i select/highlight more than one entry when i'm doing 'make xconfig'01:49
cdunlapI am seeing the same issue regardless of the server.01:50
cdunlapI am also seeing an error in the console "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-cldunlap" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0."01:51
SIR_Tacocdunlap: you're updating using "sudo"?01:51
cdunlapI am, yes01:51
SIR_Tacook01:51
cdunlapand not misspelling it either01:51
SIR_Taco;)01:52
SIR_Tacocdunlap:  this should fix it, I would think: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=108062501:53
cdunlapI did the chown and it is the same issue01:57
cdunlapcan I just delete the /var/tmp/kdecache-cdunlap dir?01:59
cdunlapwill it rebuild when I reboot? Maybe?01:59
SIR_Tacoon reboot it should yes01:59
SIR_Tacobut might cause problems before you reboot01:59
cdunlapok, I will be back.... hopefully02:00
cdunlapsame issues after blowing it away and rebooting02:05
cdunlapI am going to try removing the ppa and re-adding it but I don't think it will help02:06
cdunlapthat seems to have removed the errors02:12
SIR_Tacocdunlap: excellent02:14
cdunlapThanks for all your help Sir_Taco02:14
cdunlapI appreciate it02:14
SIR_Tacoyou're welcome02:14
CarrySomethingI'm on kubuntu using a live-CD for my first look at an ubuntu distro.  Nice so far, but I'm trying to  install gtk-pod and it's not working.  I have tried "sudo apt-get install gtkpod"  fails "unable to locate package gtkpod02:20
CarrySomethingany tips on how to install gtkpod?02:25
LinkmasterCarrySomething: is your LiveCD connected to the internet?02:25
CarrySomethingLinkmaster:  yes sir it is02:25
LinkmasterAlso, do note that LiveCD's shouldn't be used as an actual OS..there are a LOT of dependencies or gtkpod that are not included in the LiveCD.02:26
uberdubcan anyone help troubleshoot a sound issue?02:28
CarrySomethingLinkmaster: right... Like I said, I'm just testing this out.  I've got another distro actually installed I just wanted to 'testdrive' this02:28
CarrySomethingLinkmaster: I just need to see if gtkpod will work02:29
Linkmastergtkpod works on Kubuntu, iirc02:29
szal!audio | uberdub02:29
ubottuuberdub: If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP302:29
CarrySomethingLinkmaster: That's great.. how do I installit02:29
uberdubyeah I may not have looked at those exact pages, but Ive been searching on it for days02:30
anyaMy laptop crashed while booting and now it wont load. I used the install cd to get to the files i need to save, but they wont copy to the thumbdrive. Can someone help?02:30
LinkmasterCarrySomething: I don't have a pod, but I believe its in the repos, you'll just need to install kubu first02:30
CarrySomethingkubu?02:31
uberdubIt was working fine, until automatic updates, then it would go out, and Id have to reboot, eventually rebooting didnt fix it02:32
LinkmasterKubuntu02:33
CarrySomethingyou can't test it under the live cd?  (you can w/ "Mint" and a few others)02:34
uberdububottu: Ive been to those pages, still cant figure it out02:34
ubottuuberdub: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)02:34
uberduboh, wth02:34
uberdublame02:34
LinkmasterCarrySomething: someone else might know, but I've used the LiveCD only three times; twice to install, once to reinstall GRUB onto my computer :P02:35
CarrySomethingwell thanks.  not sure why you answered then02:39
anyaDoes anyone know how to fix a grub?02:40
* szal last used a *buntu live CD in 2007 or something02:44
anyaThe computer crashed because of a bad battery just as it was logging in. I keep getting errors when i try to boot from the hard drive. I can see my files on dolphin but I can't get to them because i have to use the cd to boot. Can someone help me get the computer to boot on its own?02:44
genii-aroundanya: Do you have more specific errors it gives when booting from the hard drive?02:50
anyait was like drdy errors02:51
anyagenii-around: It would go to the screen that has the recovery option, and run for while with drdy errors. then while the screen was still black with the cursor, it would stop with somethng called busybox.02:52
anyagenii-around: then nothing would happen.02:52
SIR_Taconeed.... to finish... brother's... website...03:04
anyagenii-around: Sorry. I am not much help.03:04
SIR_Tacoanya: sounds like grub crapped out...... you should be able to recover it from a live-cd03:08
anyaSIR_Taco: How do I do this?03:09
anyaSIR_Taco: I have the Live CD up.03:09
SIR_Tacohttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 is a nice little walk-through... be sure to read the first post in it's entirety03:10
anyaOk. Thank you.03:14
SIR_Tacoyou're welcome... let me know if it works well for you03:14
uberdubcan anyone help troubleshoot a sound issue?03:15
uberdubit just stopped working03:15
anyaSIR_Taco: The person who put Kubuntu on my laptop put the home file in a separate partition. Will my files be safe?03:15
SIR_Tacoanya: I hate to say yes... but generally yes03:16
SIR_Tacouberdub: what's the the problem?03:16
CarrySomethingsudo apt-get install gtkpod03:16
CarrySomething  Any idea why that says unable to locate package?03:16
anyaSIR_Taco: Thank you for your honesty.03:17
SIR_Tacoanya: well... with most things... anything *could* happen :)03:17
SIR_TacoCarrySomething: do you have "Untrusted/Unsupported PPAs" enabled?03:19
CarrySomethingSIR_Taco:  I'm new to kub.  how would I know/check03:19
SIR_TacoCarrySomething: you can get to the option in settings in the package manager you use (usually), or my lazy shortcut is: ALT-F2  and type "kdesudo software-properties-kde"  then click the "Updates" tab, and check the "unsupported updates" checkbox, then  OK/Apply/Close or whatever it is at the bottom03:23
SIR_TacoCarrySomething: work?03:28
CarrySomethingSIR_Taco:  No.. but I poked around that "Softwar sources" think and enabled  "Community-maintained..." that did it03:30
CarrySomething:)03:30
SIR_Taco CarrySomething: ah, well I figured it was one of them, good to hear03:30
CarrySomethingThanks much.. you got me headed in the correct direction and that's what counts03:31
SIR_TacoCarrySomething: you're very welcome03:31
SIR_Tacouberdub: haven't heard a peep from you about your sound problem.... (pun intended)03:32
uberdubmy apologies03:32
uberdubSIR_Taco: it just stopped working after an update03:33
CarrySomethinghmm now it won't import :(03:33
uberdubit had been giving me problems for a while, but a reboot used to fix it03:33
SIR_TacoCarrySomething: I can't help you with that I'm afraid...03:33
SIR_Tacouberdub: just a normal update? or and upgrade to a new version of Kubuntu?03:34
uberdubSIR_Taco: everything seems to be in order. card recognized, levels up, etc03:34
uberdubnormal update03:34
uberdubIm in 11.04 natty03:34
SIR_Tacouberdub: ok... and you were on 11.04 before and the sound was fine, and now the sound doesn't work? (just trying to get a background )03:35
uberdubIve tried reinstalling alsa, and pulseaudio03:35
uberdubyeah I migrated from slackware, because slack didnt seem to like my gpu03:36
uberdubstraight to 11.0403:36
SIR_Tacouberdub: do you have a soundcard on your motherboard and use a different sound card  in a pci slot?03:37
uberdubno, its a netbook. HP mini 311 100nr, with some aftermarket network hardware03:38
uberdubnvidia ion03:38
SIR_Tacook03:38
uberdubcustom bios03:38
uberdubIve ran across some bug reports on launchpad with audio, and my hardware03:39
uberdubbut it was working fine03:39
uberdubin 11.0403:39
SIR_Tacoif you click the "K" menu -> Computer -> System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon.... does your output show there?03:39
uberdubyes internal audio digital stereo(hdmi)03:41
uberdubsome other greyed out too03:41
SIR_Tacouberdub: you have an HDMI cable going to your speakers?03:42
uberdubno internal speakers in the netbook03:42
uberdubheadphones dont work either03:42
uberdubI can hear them connect like white noise or something when I plug them into the headphone jack though fwiw03:42
SIR_Tacois there one along the lines of "Internal Audio Analog?"03:43
uberdubyeah03:43
uberdubits grayed out03:43
SIR_Tacothe only un-grayed out option you have it hdmi?03:43
uberdubyes SIR03:44
uberdub:)03:44
SIR_Tacohow about opening konsole and typing "alsamixer"? does it show the analog one?03:45
SIR_Tacomight have to hit "F6"  and select the sound card.... just want to make sure they're not all muted03:46
uberdubCard: HDA NVidia       Chip: Nvidia MCP79/7A HDMI03:46
SIR_TacoI say "sound card", but really it's the output... a sound card can have many outputs03:46
uberdubnothing is muted03:46
uberdubyeah shows as HDA nvidia03:47
SIR_Tacohitting F6 gives you options, or no?03:47
uberduboptions are default, or hda nvidia03:47
SIR_Tacook... and all the options are not muted?03:47
uberdubcorrect03:48
uberdubIve checked that a few times03:48
SIR_Tacouberdub: ok, I have to assume that you know little or nothing when it comes to Linux :)03:48
uberdubno worries, I appreciate the help03:49
SIR_Tacouberdub: what about righ-clicking the volume icon in your system tray and selecting "Select Master Channel"? Do you have more than one option?03:50
uberdubnope same03:50
SIR_Tacook... back in the System Settings -> Multimedia ->Phonon... what's listed when you click the "Backend" tab?03:51
uberdubgstreamer03:52
SIR_Tacouberdub: ok, it's definitely a hardware/driver problem as far as I'm concerned....03:53
uberdubok....any fix or workaround?03:54
SIR_Tacowell that's the big question I guess03:54
SIR_Tacohave you updated lately?03:54
uberdubnot since tha last one afaik03:54
uberdubIve tried reinstalling the modules03:54
uberdubusing synaptic03:55
SIR_Tacouberdub: you shouldn't have to use insmod/modprobe etc.03:55
SIR_Tacoah ok03:55
uberdubnah didnt use modprobe03:56
uberdubahh the luxuries of *ubuntu03:56
uberdub:)03:56
SIR_Tacouberdub: lol... yes... :P03:56
uberdubthis ones got me stumped though03:56
SIR_Tacouberdub: have you done an "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal lately?03:57
uberdubyeah03:57
uberdubcouple times03:57
SIR_Tacouberdub: it has me stumped too...03:57
uberdubits been broke for over a week now03:57
uberdubmaybe a bug03:57
SIR_Tacodid the kernel version change perhaps when the problem came about?03:58
uberdubdont think so03:58
uberdubIve been thinking about upgrading to a newer kernel03:58
SIR_Tacouberdub: do you use Grub?03:58
uberdubuh yes, but its all automated03:58
uberdubi dont dual boot03:58
uberdubpure linux03:58
SIR_Tacoah ok03:58
uberdubI use nothing else03:59
SIR_Tacobut you should be able to hold the "shift" key, to get a grub menu, yes?03:59
uberdubyeah03:59
uberdubI can get to a prompt too03:59
SIR_Tacowould it still list old kernels?03:59
uberdubuh...I think so03:59
SIR_Tacoit should04:00
SIR_TacoHaave you tried the old kernel(s) to see if the sound still works?04:00
uberdubhmm last time it gave me recovery options, but i dont think it gave me a different kernel04:00
uberdubI did filesystem check, and all that everything clean04:00
SIR_Tacoit should give you atleast 2 options... unless it was changed04:00
uberdubno bad packages04:01
uberdubyeah04:01
SIR_TacoI really think it's a bad kernel driver04:01
uberdububerdub@TerrapinStation:~/Documents$ uname -a04:02
uberdubLinux TerrapinStation 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux04:02
uberdubhmmmm, sounds feasible04:02
uberdubhow to confirm?04:02
SIR_Tacouberdub: 3.0-1-generic #2-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 15 20:28:47 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux04:02
uberdubyou running 3.0?04:03
uberdubstable?04:03
SIR_Tacoif you can hold "shift" on boot, and select and old(er) kernel, to see if it works, then you know that 2.6.38-8 isn't working for you04:03
uberdubok04:03
SIR_Tacouberdub: it's stable for me.... doesn't mean it's stable for everyone04:04
uberdubright04:04
uberdubthis may or may not pertain to me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/78881704:05
ubottuUbuntu bug 788817 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[Aspire R3610, Nvidia MCP79/7A HDMI, Digital Out, HDMI] No sound at all" [Undecided,Incomplete]04:05
SIR_Tacouberdub:  Yes, but I can see that being passed off to a regression in the kernel...04:06
uberdubahhh04:06
uberdubIm gonna check grub, on next restart04:07
uberdubI remember it had a few options04:07
SIR_Tacouberdub: with your symptoms, I would say it's a hardware regression04:08
uberdubhmmm, Im not exactly sure what you mean by hardware regression04:08
SIR_Tacodriver regression is probably more like it... the hardware worked, now it doesn't.... and doesn't even show up as hardware.... driver problem04:10
uberdubahhh04:10
uberdubhmmm04:10
uberdubwould running a different kernel fix it you think?04:11
uberdubdamn driver compatibility, and linux04:11
uberdubbah04:11
SIR_Tacouberdub: it could, which is why I was suggesting holding your shift key and selecting an older kernel to see if it solved the problem04:12
uberdubjust when I thought I had it all sorted04:12
uberdubok will do04:12
SIR_Tacolife without tests would just be blah :)04:12
uberdubI got kids running around the living room right now, thats a little more attention than I can give atm04:13
uberdubIm gonne reboot here in a few04:13
SIR_Tacouberdub: not a problem, whenever you can04:13
SIR_TacoI'm not going to sit here an ask:"Have you rebooted yet? Have you rebooted yet? Have you rebooted yet? Have you rebooted yet?" like a car trip :P04:15
uberdublol04:15
uberdubok, gonna reboot now04:16
SIR_Tacohaha ok04:16
SIR_Tacohave you rebooted yet?04:16
uberdubthe chaos has subsided04:16
SIR_Tacolol04:16
uberdublol04:16
szalSIR_Taco: Natty didn't get any kernel updates yet, to my knowledge04:16
uberdubyeah, I didnt think so, but not 100%04:17
szalor at least I haven't seen any yet the 4 weeks I'm on Natty now04:17
SIR_Tacoszal: well then what would cause an audio driver going AWOL?04:17
szalSIR_Taco: no friggin' idea..  but nVidia sound modules seem to be somewhat problematic anyway; I've had an issue w/ one 2 years ago in Arch Linux when, after a kernel update (in that case it was one) the device wouldn't even be recognized any more04:19
szaland I couldn't even make it reappear by rolling back the kernel04:19
uberdubyeah it recognizes it04:20
SIR_Tacoszal: odd, but it's worth a shot04:20
SIR_Tacouberdub: it works?04:20
uberdubno, but the device does show up04:20
uberdubwas waiting to see szal's responses before I reboot04:21
SIR_Tacouberdub: ok, now if you play with the settings a bit, it should give you sound04:21
uberdubone minute rebooting for sure now04:21
SIR_Tacoso it works without changing kernels? lol04:21
szaluberdub: only suggestion I can give you is pay a visit to #alsa04:21
uberdubno04:21
uberdubthe device is recognized in system settings, but I dont get sound04:22
uberdubgoing to reboot now, and try the grub thing04:22
uberdubbbiaf04:22
SIR_Tacouberdub: ok04:22
SIR_Tacohave no fear Linkmaster is here :)04:24
Linkmaster:D04:24
LinkmasterMy internet went out, like its prone to do04:24
SIR_Tacowell you missed lots of fun04:25
SIR_Taco Linkmaster: There was a clown, and a bouncy castle.... man... you missed out :)04:26
LinkmasterHmm, darn04:26
* Linkmaster starts his fires04:26
Linkmastermaybe they'll be back :D04:26
SIR_Tacohaha04:27
SIR_Tacothe bouncy castle was fun.... lol04:28
uberdubSIR_Taco: only options were a recovery mode, and a couple mem tests04:33
SIR_Tacouberdub: argh04:34
SIR_Tacouberdub: are there any new (un-grayed out) devices in Multimedia option?04:36
uberdubSIR_Taco: nope04:38
uberdubI seem to remember when there were more options in phonon though04:39
SIR_Tacooptions are confusing.... ;)04:39
uberdubthey werent all grayed at one point04:40
uberdubin system settings04:40
uberdubwas more than one iirc04:40
uberdubwhen I first installed04:40
SIR_Tacouberdub: do you still have "Xine" in your "Backend" tab list?04:41
uberdubnope just GStreamer04:41
SIR_Tacoanyone that's around that would like to put their 2-cents in on this problem?04:41
SIR_Taco(if you're Canadian it's about 2.1 cents...)04:42
SIR_TacoI really don't want you to install all the Xine plugins, on a maybe.... was hoping someone had a similiar experience04:45
uberdubxine plugins, are avaailable through like synaptic right?04:46
uberdubin the reps?04:46
SIR_Tacoyes04:46
uberdubcool04:46
uberdubhavent used it since like slack 1004:46
SIR_Tacoyou can give it a shot I guess04:46
uberdubyeah wont hurt....hopefully04:46
uberdublol04:47
SIR_Tacouberdub: I started with Slackware.... I'm too lazy to go back now :P04:47
uberdubyeah, I hear ya04:47
uberdubcompiling from source gets daunting04:47
uberdubdeb packages are pretty convenient04:48
uberduband have become pretty much a standard04:48
SIR_Tacocan't remember what version I started on... somewhere aroun '99.... had to selected packages via ncurses when installing... fun fun fun :)04:48
uberdubslack packages arent any where near as popular04:48
uberdublol, yeah its much easier to install now04:49
uberdubPat is just so stubborn about not using the latest stuff04:49
uberdubnewer hardware like my ion gpu didnt talk well04:50
uberdubthats the thing with slack04:50
uberdubits hella stable, but needs lots of tweaking to get it right on your machine, I dont want to have to write custom scripts just to use the basic fuinctions of my hardware04:51
SIR_Tacouberdub: I remember having nightmares about getting the latest QT lol04:52
uberdubyeah its great for servers, but really not so ideal in an end user situation like laptops04:52
SIR_Tacovery true04:53
SIR_Tacogreat starter Linux distro.... being thrown into the fire :)04:53
knobuberdub: You talking about kubuntu?04:54
uberdubno slackware04:55
uberdubI always recommend slack to newbies actually04:55
LINKSWORD2Greetings, all. :D04:55
SIR_TacoLINKSWORD2: I thought the peers got you?04:55
LINKSWORD2lol04:56
LINKSWORD2Yeah, but I bite back, man. :D04:56
uberdubit teaches true linux, and what you learn from slack, you can carry over to any distro04:56
uberdubgiven its very unix likeness04:56
uberdubI like slack, but *ubuntu is really smooth,04:56
uberdubslack gets daunting04:57
SIR_Tacouberdub: I agree... but I don't want to go through it again :)04:57
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valoriebtw, phonon-xine is deprecated04:57
uberdubyeah, I would for a backend situation04:58
uberdubits more stable, than any other distro Ive used04:58
valoriephonon-gstreamer and phonon-vlc are both great04:58
uberdubvalorie: should I try those you think?04:59
SIR_Tacovalorie: yes I know.... but I was hoping it would fix the problem until it's fixed in gstreamer04:59
LINKSWORD2#kubuntu-offtopic04:59
valoriewhat problem are you having with gst?04:59
SIR_TacoLINKSWORD2: don't start with that05:00
uberdubvalorie: Im having a sound issue. gstreamer is all that shows up in "backend"05:00
valoriewell, install phonon-backend-vlc05:01
valoriexine really isn't a solution05:01
LINKSWORD2SIR_Taco: I've got something to share with you, in the off-topic chat.05:01
LINKSWORD2:D05:01
valoriea year or two ago, the situation was entirely different05:01
SIR_TacoLINKSWORD2: can I wear what I'm wearing? lol05:01
LINKSWORD2lol05:01
LINKSWORD2Yes05:01
uberdubok, installed phonon-backend-vlc05:05
uberdubmade it preferred05:06
uberdubstill no sound05:07
SIR_Tacouberdub: I really, really, really think it's a kernel driver problem05:08
layanmadre mia tan tarde y conectados05:09
SevenSegmentAMMOuberdub: sure all your levels are turned up in alsamixer?05:09
layanhaber cuando sacar la actualizacion para KWIN, la de Kwin OpenGL ES05:09
uberdubIll check again05:09
layanO.O05:09
uberdubyeah theyre up05:09
layanIntegrar "Oxygen-Transparent" in Kubuntu package!!!!!!!!!!!!105:10
SevenSegmentAMMOany sound through headphones?05:10
layanin the repos05:10
uberdubnope05:10
layanpleaseee05:10
layanxd05:10
layanxD05:10
FloodBotK1layan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.05:10
layani dont use flood!05:10
SevenSegmentAMMOuberdub: create a new user and log in.. see if it's a corrupted preference setting05:11
uberdubok05:12
uberdubadded new user, gonna see if I can log in under it05:14
SevenSegmentAMMOalright05:16
uberdubSevenSegmentAMMO: it works fine under a different user05:21
uberdubnow were getting somewhere05:21
uberdubhmmmm05:21
uberdubthat means its a configuration issue05:21
SevenSegmentAMMOalright.. that means we need to delete a .directory in your /home folder05:21
uberdubhmmm05:21
uberdubwhich one?05:21
SevenSegmentAMMOnot exactally sure which one05:21
SevenSegmentAMMOha05:21
uberdublol05:21
uberdubme either05:21
SevenSegmentAMMOpause05:21
SevenSegmentAMMOmaybe .pulse05:22
SevenSegmentAMMOcopy it to your desktop.. i wouldn't delete it05:23
SevenSegmentAMMOnot copy.. move05:23
uberdubok05:24
SevenSegmentAMMOsudo mv /home/user/.pulse /home/user/Desktop/.pulse05:24
uberdubsweet thanks05:24
SevenSegmentAMMOhummm... may need a -R option try without05:25
uberdubmv: cannot stat `/home/user/.pulse': No such file or directory05:25
SevenSegmentAMMOalright.. try this.  in a terminal type ls /home/user/. and hit the tab key after the .  take a screen shot and post it for me to have a look at05:26
SevenSegmentAMMOohh.. nevermind IC05:27
SevenSegmentAMMOreplace user with your username05:27
SevenSegmentAMMOand log back in under the user with no sound05:27
uberdubok05:29
uberdubgotcha05:30
uberdubder05:30
uberdubI shoulda known that05:30
uberdubthats what I get for mindlessly copy and pasting05:30
SevenSegmentAMMOhappens to the best of us05:31
uberdubI dont show .pulseaudio in the desktop directory tho05:31
SevenSegmentAMMOnope.. just .pulse and it will be in your /home/user folder05:32
SevenSegmentAMMOwe need to remove the .pulse folder from it's current location, but don't delete it.. that may not be what's causing the problems05:32
uberdubI dont see it in /home/uberdub either05:33
SevenSegmentAMMOalright, post a screen shot of all the .folders in your /home/uberdub folder.. in a terminal if you type ls /home/uberdub/. and hit the tab key after the . it should show you all the .folders05:34
SevenSegmentAMMOtake a screen shot and i'll try to pick all the ones sound related05:34
SevenSegmentAMMOTRY*05:34
uberdubone sec05:34
SevenSegmentAMMOnot that i really know, but i'd say since a new user sound works good it's narrowed down to your /home/uberdub/.folders05:35
uberdubok05:35
uberdubI see a bunch of stuff in there that I need to remove apps ive gotten rid of, and arent using05:36
SevenSegmentAMMOalso try this... aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/test.wav and replace test.wav with a file that exists05:36
uberdubhow you want me to get this screenshot to you?05:37
uberdubSevenSegmentAMMO: http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo152/tone3721/snapshot4.png05:40
SevenSegmentAMMOtry moving the .mplayer uberdub05:42
SevenSegmentAMMOalso did you try that aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/test.wav command?05:42
SevenSegmentAMMOi would try that first uberdub05:42
uberdubdoing that now05:44
uberdubok test worked05:45
SevenSegmentAMMOalright.. then sounds like a problem with the player that your using05:46
uberdubhmmm05:46
SevenSegmentAMMOaplay is for alsaplayer.. so if aplay works your sound system is working05:46
uberduball of them?05:46
uberdubweird05:46
SevenSegmentAMMOhumm05:46
SevenSegmentAMMOwhat all have you tried?05:46
uberdubflashplayer doesnt play sound, and neither does vlc05:46
uberdubthats all I really use05:46
SevenSegmentAMMOtry moving the .maplyer folder.. and try again, may need a log out/restart to recreate the folder05:47
SevenSegmentAMMOuberdub: do you have alsa set as your preference for audio output in the settings of vlc05:48
uberdubone sec trying another media player05:49
uberdubwell fvck me05:50
uberdubworking in dragon player05:51
uberdubtrying the vlc thing now05:51
uberdubit was set to default05:52
SevenSegmentAMMOtry installing vlc-plugin-pulse05:53
uberdubok05:53
uberdubits working05:54
uberdubyou think I should still install plugin-pulse?05:54
SevenSegmentAMMOnope05:54
uberdubtesting flahplayer in firefox now05:54
uberdubok05:54
uberdubyep all is working now05:57
SevenSegmentAMMOawesome05:57
uberdubman, thanks a bunch man05:57
SevenSegmentAMMOsure thing05:57
uberdubif you were local, Id buy you a beer, or pizza or something05:57
uberdublol05:57
uberdubreally appreciate it05:58
uberdubbeen racking my brain on that one for over a week05:58
SevenSegmentAMMOyou can paypal to loaded.check@gmail.com, but it's not necessary05:59
uberdubSevenSegmentAMMO: waiting on a deposit, and I can send a few bucks your way06:14
uberdubit will come from nix.steven@gmail.com06:14
SevenSegmentAMMOthat's awesome, thanks!06:15
uberdubno problem, thanks for taking the time to sort that crap out06:16
uberdubI was stumped06:16
uberdubit was just a vlc setting...man06:16
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Goliathwhich is better scanner utility, xsane or gnomescan (or other) ?08:11
sorush20hi09:05
sorush20just wanted to know how to disable the spiral desktop ? My windows resize themselves and arrange themselves I don't want that..09:06
valoriesorush20: that is in systemsettings09:16
valoriewindow behavior in systemsettings09:18
sorush20I want to completely disable kwin transparency and special effects. .I comes on eveytime I start the computer.. how do I do this?09:24
yofelsorush20: system settings -> desktop effects09:26
yofelthere's a checkbox09:26
sorush20yofel: I can't access the checkbox, its grayed out.. no even with sudo09:27
sorush20yofel: I get the message desktop effects are not available onthis machine due to following issue, but then there is not reason written..09:28
yofelsorush20: then they're not enabled09:30
sorush20yofel: But I still see transparency and also when I click on suspend then it stops.. I think they are not fully enabled as my graphics card is not fully suppported09:31
yofelno idea, as long as they're enabled the "Enable Desktop Effects" checkbox should be enabled. If they don't work it should already disable them09:33
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skeithhi10:35
skeithi have problem with amarok10:35
skeithit crash after install libwebkitgtk-1.010:36
skeithlibwebgtk-1.0 is installed with gimp so i can't have amarok and gimp both10:37
valorielibwebkit?10:51
valorieerr, libwebgtk ?10:51
valoriethat would have nothing to do with amarok10:51
valorieif gimp is crashing, I think it's oxygen-gtk that needs to be removed10:52
valorieskeith: start amarok from the console10:52
valorieamarok --debug --nofork10:52
valorieand watch the output10:53
skeithok10:54
sevenseasgood morning folks10:55
skeithi forget that amarok start ok but it crash after i try to litsten a internet radio10:57
valorieI knew it had nothing to do with gimp10:57
valoriewhat does the crash say, in a pastebin please?10:57
valoriethis would be better in #amarok, by the way10:57
valorieoops, #amarok10:57
skeithhttp://pastebin.com/RpjNqfcW10:59
skeithwhen i unistall libwebgtk it's ok10:59
valoriewow11:00
valorieI see it there, which is stunning11:01
valorieso the crash-handler didn't come up?11:01
valorie[KCrash Handler]11:01
valorie#7  0x9a1fe0fa in JSCheckScriptSyntax () from /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.011:01
skeithcrash handler come up11:03
skeithi've copied info from there11:03
valorieok, please file a bug then11:03
valorieusing Dr. K.11:03
valorieadd the info about libwebgtk11:04
valoriethat's just so weird11:04
skeithi know11:04
esmirlinchicos qué dependencias necesito instalar para poder instalar este tema¿? http://pastebin.com/TknT9Yz711:05
valorie!es | esmirlin11:06
ubottuesmirlin: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.11:06
valorieI'm heading to bed, since it's 3am11:06
sevenseasgood night11:06
valoriethanks for filing the bug, skeith11:06
skeiththakns for help11:06
valorieniters sevenseas - cool nick, by the way11:06
esmirlinvalorie: sorry i was wrong... i meant, what do i have to install before starting to install this? http://pastebin.com/TknT9Yz711:07
sevenseasty :)11:07
skeithand good night :D11:07
valorieesmirlin: why are you compiling it, rather than just installing the package?11:09
valorieI would do: sudo apt-get install oxygen-gtk11:09
esmirlinvalorie: cause i'm using ubuntu gnome 10.04, i'm not sure if i can install it in there this way :S11:10
valorieno reason you shouldn't11:11
valorieoh, unless it wasn't available then?11:11
valorieI suggest asking one of the devel channels11:11
valorieI build stuff, but have never run into the error message you are getting11:12
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rory_MOTD13:07
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ubottuCe canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.13:39
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smosehey folks14:16
smoseanyone has a solution for fixing X?14:17
smoseit won't start even in failsafe14:17
smoseit also crashes entire machine on normal boot14:17
BluesKaj!nomodeset14:21
ubottuA common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter14:21
BluesKajsmose,^14:21
smosehmm.. i have no browser, but i'm guessing i have to put that in grub?14:24
BluesKajsmose, in  /etc/default/grub , reset the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash", to :GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"14:29
BluesKajsmose,  or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"14:32
BATismose: and don't forget to run update-grub14:32
BluesKajsmose, actually the latter is best , then sudo update-grub14:32
smoseso, nomodeset after splash and then update? =)14:35
BluesKajsmose, yes then update-grub14:35
smoseand this is safe to do?14:37
smosei mean i can't brick my machine if this wont work?14:37
Oerit is bricked now, isn it ?14:38
BluesKajsmose, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+question/11797714:38
Oeryes, nomodeset has cured before14:38
BluesKajoh forgot no browser14:38
BluesKajsmose, irssi ?14:39
smoseBluesKaj: yes =)14:39
smoseOer: this works in netroot mode14:40
BluesKajwhat's the text browser ?14:40
smoseno worries i got a laptop now14:42
BluesKajlynx14:42
smoseyea lynx14:42
BluesKajtry that for posted urls14:43
smosehooray!14:44
smosex started =)14:44
smoseBluesKaj: i got second computer and i could open those links14:45
BluesKajok14:45
BluesKajI've fixed boot problems, X and graphics drivers on irssi a few times , very handy :)14:47
smoseyea irssi is good =)14:48
smosenow there's another problem :D14:49
smoseall i can see i my bg-image14:49
smoseand screen flashes, when i press button14:50
smose*yakuake-button14:51
smoseactually k-button is clickable. just invisible14:52
BluesKajsmose, button ?14:59
sevenseasdoes someone use quassel irc here?15:00
genii-aroundYup15:01
James147sevenseas: quite a few people do ^^15:01
sevenseasis it posible 2 make quassel transparant? and btw i have a bug, sometimes the text gets something that looks like a shadow that goes thru other text, when i hover over with my mouse its gone so not a big deal15:02
James147sevenseas: Kwin can make any window semi transparent ^^15:03
yofelevery window has an opacity setting, you can use that to make the whole window transparent15:03
James147^^ though I do not think quassel has an option for it15:04
sevenseasnot in the costumise theme file?15:04
sevenseasqss file15:05
mu3enhello. on a similar topic, is there a way to force all windows to be "not floating" so that tiling happens by default?15:05
smoseBluesKaj: yea, konsole button15:06
smosekde is still somehow broken15:06
smoseor at least desktop effects15:07
smoseand system settings crashes15:07
James147mu3en: System settings > window behaviour > window behaviour > advanced > check "Enable tiling"15:07
smosei'll try failsafe now15:08
James147sevenseas: there are some windowing themes that can make windows transparent15:08
James147sevenseas: so it is possible though I havent really looked at them15:08
BluesKajsmose, check you kmenu > apps>system>additional drivers , recommended driver15:09
mu3enJames147, i do have that checked, and have tried with colums/spiral setting, and with various window placement (maximized, centered). with any of those all windows are still by default "floating"15:09
mu3enso i need to uncheck "floating" (or press meta-f which has the same effect) but of course i have to do that for each window since they all need to be "non floating" for the tiling to occur.15:10
suadcan someone explain to me how to remove pppoe connection and put it to auto eth ?15:10
James147mu3en: hmm, thought it defaulted them to tile with that :s havent used that option in a while though15:11
mu3enJames147, agree that would be the expected behaviour once 'tiling' is checked...15:11
smoseBluesKaj: there's no such menu in this one =)15:12
smoseBluesKaj: but it works now, reboot seemed to fix it15:12
James147mu3en: not at my kde desktop atm so I cannot really test it ^^ but what kde version are you running?15:12
smosethanks for help =)15:13
mu3enJames147 4.6.4 on natty15:15
mu3eni have the same on two different machines (32 and 64bit). maybe i should try create a new user, engage tiling, and see if it works with that.15:17
James147mu3en: worth a try15:18
mu3enokay. back in five.15:18
kristoffhi !  is it possible to hide (or delete) the icon "hibernate" in the "quit" part of kickoff ?15:20
James147kristoff: try http://jhansonxi.blogspot.com/2008/01/disabling-hibernate-and-suspend-buttons.html15:23
kristoffthanks15:24
suadcan someone explain to me how to remove pppoe connection and put it to auto eth ?15:28
kristoffit was not that but thanks anyway15:30
mu3enJames147, yup! seems to work by default. wonder if there's an easy way to make that happen without completely rebuilding my home folder (akonadi stuff etc could be a little troublesome ish...15:30
James147mu3en: try resetting just kwin (~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc) thats most likly the problem config15:31
mu3enJames147, great, i guess ic an just overwrite mine with the default created for the new user?15:33
Tm_Tmu3en: you can (re)move it and new will be created15:34
mu3enokay, nice.15:35
LinkmasterWhats the best way to change an externel storage's media name? Mine currently shows up as a bunch of numbers and letters, and I'd like to change it to something more easily read15:43
James147Linkmaster: what file system does it have?15:44
LinkmasterUhm..thats a good question15:44
Linkmasterlet me find out real fast15:44
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xskydevilxDoes Wubi installer, when ran, automatically decide which version of Kubuntu to download (32 bit and 64 bit I mean)?15:45
genii-aroundxskydevilx: I believe it does, yes, unless you specify the architecture with a switch like --32bit15:48
LinkmasterJames147: HPFS/NTFS15:48
James147Linkmaster: Try changing the label for the partition http://tuxecute.blogspot.com/2008/09/change-your-ntfs-windows-drive-label.html15:49
mu3enJames147, Tm_T, deleting kwinrc indeed turned off the tiling, but when reenabled, all the windows are still floating by default though. so i guess the setting is somewhere else. maybe i just need to rebuild the home folder from scratch.15:53
mu3enthat floating setting seems to be a little shady in general.15:54
James147mu3en: just to make sure: you are testing by opening new windows... I wouldnt expect the old ones to switch to tiling necessorly15:55
mu3enJames147, i had logged out and deleted the files from tty, then logged in again. any windows seem to come up floating.15:56
mu3enenabling/disabling the tiling option doesn't necesarily seem to affect that status in real time or for new windows.15:57
James147mu3en: just had to check :)15:58
mu3enof course, otherwise it could be anything!15:59
mu3eni'm asking at #kde if anyone knows where that specific parameter is actually set15:59
mu3eni still have an irrational fear of having to rebuild my home folder from scratch.16:00
James147You shouldn't need to rebuild every thing...  at most rename .kde and then copy files/folder back over the new ones until it breaks again.16:02
mu3ensomething like mv ~.kde ~/.kde.old | mv /home/test/.kde ~/.kde and then go from there? nothing funky in .kde that's linked to UID i guess.16:03
mu3enthere's a slash missing there, i realize...16:05
GillesMMHi I generate my onw kubuntu CD live but I don't have install Icon idea ?16:10
BluesKajGillesMM, are you at the kubuntu desktop ?16:12
GillesMMyes16:13
GillesMMI have generated the live cd with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch16:14
GillesMMI have used the kubuntu-desktop package16:14
GillesMMbut it doesn't include installation program ...16:14
GillesMMperhaps te ubiquity package16:17
BluesKajGillesMM, why didn't you just burn a regular kubuntu live cd16:17
GillesMMBluesKaj:  because I add some more program to make a digital station16:18
mu3enhaving looked more closely, best to try and get a specific answer on that float setting, just too many variables otherwise.16:22
BluesKajok GillesMM , sorry I have no idea , or experience with custom live cds16:22
yofelGillesMM: right, the installer is ubiquity, and it's not in kubuntu-desktop since it doesn't belong on installed systems16:24
BluesKajyofel, but it's alive cd , why isn't default if ppl use the cd to install the OS16:26
BluesKaj?16:26
yofelwait, the kubuntu-desktop package isn't what creates the CDs16:26
yofelthere are seed files for that16:26
yofelthough I can't remember right now where they are16:26
BluesKajmakes no sense that ubuniquity isn't default16:27
BluesKajerr ubiquity16:27
mu3ennice16:28
yofelah, lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.oneiric16:28
yofelyou'll notice that the live seed includes ubiquity16:29
BluesKajapt-get install ubiquity-frontend-kde , that's the command while building the image I guess16:30
yofelcould be, I don't know the specifics16:31
BluesKajit's from the the tutorial GillesMM posted16:31
yofelsounds right then16:31
yofelGillesMM: ^16:32
PythonSnakeHI everyone16:35
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PythonSnakeI get Segmentation fault when opening rekonq or Chomium16:44
PythonSnakeHi everyone16:44
PythonSnakeI get Segmentation fault when opening rekonq or Chomium16:44
PythonSnakeanyone know how to fix ?16:44
yofelFixing crashes usually means filing a bug and getting it fixed by someone. But first things first..16:45
yofelwhen rekonq crashes you should be getting a crash notification from KDE16:46
yofelgo to the Developer Information Tab, click on the install debug symbols button and then on refresh.16:46
yofelThat should get you ca Stacktrace of the crash, without that we can only guess what happens16:47
yofels/ca/a/16:47
PythonSnakeyofel: ok16:47
PythonSnakeno debug packages has been found for files listed, yofel16:52
yofelhm, is there any trace in the window so far?16:53
PythonSnake?16:54
PythonSnakeNo debug packages could be found for the files listed below. Do you want to continue anyway?16:54
yofelwell, for which files? For now continue16:54
yofelThe trace will probably be incomplete, but maybe the part we need is there16:55
PythonSnakelibdl.so.2 libkdeui.so.5 ld.linux.so.2 libflashplayer.so16:55
yofellibdl.so.2 is 'libc6-dbg' I think, libkdeui.so.5 is 'kdelibs5-dbg', no idea about ld.linux.so.2, flash has no debugging symbols16:58
thinhhoanghi, i'm using KDE 4.6.4, after upgrading mesa 7.10.2-ubuntu2, the 'blur' effect is too slow that it automatically suspends. can anyone help me?17:17
PythonSnakethinhhoang: Chao ban ?17:17
PythonSnake:)17:17
thinhhoangchao ban ^^17:17
PythonSnake:o17:17
PythonSnake!vn | thinhhoang17:18
ubottuthinhhoang: Để được trợ giúp về Ubuntu bằng ngôn ngữ Việt, xin vui lòng /join #ubuntu-vn. Rất vui lòng được giúp đỡ17:18
PythonSnake;)17:18
PythonSnakethinhhoang: try to disable it17:19
PythonSnakeyofel: packages are taking long time to install..17:19
yofelthinhhoang: if you're having an intel card then that's known, I don't know the solution though (If there is one) :/17:20
Peace-yofel: ?17:20
thinhhoangyofel: yeah, I'm using GMA 900.17:20
yofelPythonSnake: they're pretty large, so that's no surprise17:20
PythonSnakeyofel: how to remove them later ?17:20
yofelwell, they should end with -dbg or -dbgsym, so remove any packages called like that17:21
Peace-thinhhoang: wha't hte problem with intel carD?17:21
yofelPeace-: <thinhhoang> hi, i'm using KDE 4.6.4, after upgrading mesa 7.10.2-ubuntu2, the 'blur' effect is too slow that it automatically suspends. can anyone help me?17:21
PythonSnakeok17:21
Peace-well17:21
thinhhoangyofel: i still don't know why it works fine on 7.917:21
Peace-thinhhoang: have you tried with ultra unstable ppa for video drivers?17:22
yofelbut right, disabling blur will help. Or switch to XRender, blur won't work there either though17:22
Peace-thinhhoang: i mean there is the latest stuff for video cards..17:22
Peace-so i could fix your problem or...17:22
yofelupgrading mesa might help too, although I don't usually recommend edgers...17:22
Peace-your X server could not start :D17:22
thinhhoangPeace-:i've tried upgrading my driver, even the unstable one.17:23
thinhhoangbut that didn't work.17:23
thinhhoangeverything is the same.17:23
Peace-well customizing xorg.conf ?17:23
Peace-unluckly you need a good driver17:23
thinhhoangPeace-:well, i've never tried that.17:24
Peace-if you have not :)17:24
thinhhoangPeace-:indeed. I've used Kubuntu for 2 years, but still i don't know much how to play with it.17:25
Peace-thinhhoang: well xorg.conf is automatically generated now17:26
Peace-but you can still create your own17:26
thinhhoangok, but how?17:27
thinhhoangPeace: i've tried to locate the xorg.conf17:27
thinhhoangbut it can't be found anywhere.17:27
yofelit's not there by default, but overrides the default if existing17:27
Peace-of course you can't locate17:27
yofeljust create it17:27
Peace-there is not17:27
Peace-x17:27
thinhhoangthen how exactly could I do that?17:28
yofelit's at /etc/X11/xorg.conf - though I personally have almost no experience in writing one17:28
Peace-mm17:29
Peace-i have my old one17:29
Peace-when the wacom was a mess :)17:30
PythonSnakeHow can I format this partition for reinstalling kubuntu ?17:30
Peace-PythonSnake: partitionmanager17:30
Peace-type on konsole17:30
Peace-thinhhoang: this is my old one17:30
Peace-thinhhoang: but it's a start http://nowardev.wordpress.com/about/personalstuff/17:30
Peace-thinhhoang: you need to customize it17:31
thinhhoangPeace-: thanks17:31
Peace-and remove wacom stuff that you have not17:31
tsimpsonPythonSnake: you can partition in the installer, no need to do it before hand17:31
Peace-thinhhoang: what's your card?17:31
thinhhoangPeace-: An Intel GMA 90017:31
PythonSnaketsimpson: I clicked on remove but files still here17:31
PythonSnake:(17:31
thinhhoanga very old one.17:31
genii-aroundIf you exit X to console, you can make one with: X -configure       it puts an xorg.conf in the current working directory17:32
tsimpsonPythonSnake: if you have any partitions mounted on the disk, it must be done from a live environment (eg LiveCD)17:32
genii-aroundbleh, exit to console rather :)17:32
PythonSnaketsimpson: I did that17:33
PythonSnaketsimpson: just want to format partitions not remove them17:33
PythonSnake:|17:33
thinhhoangPeace-: I think my driver is the one cause the problem.17:34
tsimpsonPythonSnake: there should be an option for that in the installer too17:34
tsimpson!format | PythonSnake, or see this17:34
ubottuPythonSnake, or see this: For help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switching/installing-partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted, !QtParted (!Kubuntu 8.10 and lower) or !PartitionManager (!Kubuntu 9.04 and up) - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap17:34
Peace-thinhhoang: you need to test17:34
Peace-thinhhoang: i will create my own xorg.conf17:34
thinhhoangPeace-: ok17:35
Peace-thinhhoang: then if doens't work remove the xorg.conf and reboot17:35
Peace-thinhhoang: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=35790  for example17:35
thinhhoangPeace-: before I updated my 10.10 to 11.04, everything was fine.17:35
Peace-thinhhoang: intel 900 gma xorg.conf on google should help you17:35
Peace-thinhhoang: mm17:36
Peace-thinhhoang: so it's the driver17:36
Peace-for sure17:36
thinhhoangPeace-:huh?17:36
Peace-but maybe enabling something on xorg.conf you could17:36
Peace-fix17:36
Peace-you can't know if you don't try17:36
Peace-it's not so easy to get17:36
Peace-:)17:36
Peace-i have 945gma17:37
Peace-and .. i have not effects :D17:37
Peace-i have tested some kernels too17:37
Peace-but i have no time for this stuff :D17:37
thinhhoangyeah, probably the driver developers has forgotten our Intel cards.17:38
tsimpsonmy 945GM/GMS works perfectly :)17:38
Peace-tsimpson: mmm here no :D17:38
yofelI've got a 945GME, if you use xrender for rendering blur and a few other effects get disabled, but the rest will work17:38
Peace-tsimpson: i have something messed17:38
Peace-dunno :D17:38
yofelwell, not you alone17:38
Peace-well i am a skydiver i have no time for pc right now  :D17:39
yofel^^17:39
tsimpsonPeace-: I removed my xorg.conf and it all just worked, though i did have to create one for dual-monitors (which does end up disabling effects)17:39
thinhhoangoxygen itself is cool17:40
Peace-tsimpson: :P i do this http://www.youtube.com/user/facebooknwd#p/u/3/rbjuANh4q5c17:40
Peace-tsimpson: actually that guy is me17:40
thinhhoang:)17:41
thinhhoangso what to do with the xorg?17:41
thinhhoangi have no exprerience with the X Window System.17:42
Peace-thinhhoang:  copy and paste the one you can see in that forum17:43
Peace-thinhhoang: try log out17:43
Peace-thinhhoang: the there is a butto to restart X17:43
Peace-there are 217:43
Peace-one of them near password and user name17:44
Peace-i don't remember which should be17:44
Peace-anyway if doesn't work you need to remove17:44
Peace-when yoiu have removed it ==> type on konsole startx17:44
dinesh_hello i have installed docky in kubuntu 11.4.. early it was working well... some message has come like this ..Docky requires compositing to work properly. Certain options are disabled and themes/animations will look incorrect.  and started showing diffferntly please advise how to correct it17:44
Peace-and again and again17:45
Peace-untill you fix it :D17:45
thinhhoangok, i'll give it a try right now17:45
thinhhoangsee if it works.17:45
Peace-dinesh_: i would use cairo dock17:45
Peace-dinesh_: that can be loaded without 3d effects17:45
dinesh_both i have tested ..17:45
dinesh_same its showing with black back ground17:46
Peace-mm go on kde menu17:46
dinesh_ok17:46
Peace-there is cairo dock without effects17:46
Peace-cairo dock no opengl17:46
Peace-should work fine17:46
Peace-it *17:47
dinesh_but there is black back ground17:47
dinesh_if possible i can show the screen shot17:47
Peace-of course you can17:47
Peace-dinesh_: there is a widget called pastebin17:47
thinhhoangoh and by the way, when i tried to restart Kwin with the blur effect, it tells me i915_program_error: Exceeded max nr indirect texture lookups (8 out of 4).17:47
dinesh_ok17:47
Peace-you can drag and drop from ksnapshot17:47
Peace-on that widget17:48
dinesh_if i do that could you able to see the problem17:48
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ogzyi am having problems on editing printers.conf file, at my web app i am trying to edit the DeviceURI part with a RPC call via Python scripts but when i restart the cups i still see the un-editied version of printers.conf, what is the reason?, using 11.04 kubuntu17:54
Peace-ogzy: guess you have edited the wrong file17:55
Peace-xD17:55
thinhhoangPeace-: well, the X crashed and I had to reset it.17:58
thinhhoangthe xorg.conf can't help now.18:01
Peace-thinhhoang: so you have at least tried18:02
thinhhoangthanks, i think i'll have to wait18:02
* Peace- doesn't use effects18:02
thinhhoangPeace-:oh, and GNOME3 doesn't like GMA 900 either.18:03
thinhhoangPeace-: i've never used GNOME3 continuously for 10 minutes.18:03
thinhhoangbeen able18:04
thinhhoangmy PC freezes every time.18:04
Peace-thinhhoang: this is my destkop http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/30/plasma-desktopag1777.jpg18:05
thinhhoangPeace-:nice18:06
ogzyPeace-: np printers.conf file is the file i should edit, if i edit it manually eveything is fine, when i edited it via a script and restart the server, somehow the changes are gone18:06
Peace-ogzy: mm18:07
Peace-ogzy: sorry i dunno18:08
StefanTthinhhoang: sounds like your graphics card is overheating18:08
thinhhoangStefanT:really?18:08
thinhhoangStefanT:overheat?18:08
StefanTjust a guess, to be honest18:09
thinhhoangStefanT: thanks, but the effects still work fine on MESA 7.918:10
StefanThmm.... ok18:10
thinhhoangStefanT: so i think there's something wrong with the MESA.18:10
thinhhoang*MESAs18:10
StefanTKDE4 with 3D effects works?18:11
thinhhoangStefanT: did work, but not anymore since I upgraded to 11.04.18:12
StefanThmm, ok18:12
yofelsomething seems wrong with nattys intel driver and mesa 7.1018:12
yofelmost effects work, but some like blur are so slow that they're unusable18:13
thinhhoanghas anyone here tried 7.10.3?18:14
yofelhm, let me fetch my netbook18:15
yofelthat is actually running oneiric18:15
selvakumaranhello there., any one can help me out to install Aptana Studio??18:16
yofelforget it, blur is still unusable with intel 2.15 and mesa 7.10.3 :(18:17
thinhhoangohhh18:18
thinhhoangyofel:what's your card?18:18
yofel945GME, slow card (it's an eeePC), but not *that* slow18:18
thinhhoangyou mean automatically disable?18:19
yofelwell, it does automatically disable it. If I disable the functionality checks blur renders at ~0.5 FPS18:19
thinhhoangoh18:19
thinhhoangthanks soo much everyone18:20
thinhhoangguess i will have to live without blur for a long time :)18:20
nerdtired18:43
ogzyanybody know how to fix the lpadmin -v bad device-uri problem for a new backend at kubuntu?, do you think dpkg-reconfigure cups will see the new backend and i will see it listes at lpinfo -v output?19:14
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BajKgreat20:50
BajKthe kubuntu guys ruined Samba in natty totally20:50
BajKand now even Sftp doesnt work anymore20:50
BajKgreat work, folks.20:50
BajKbegin fixing your stuff (TRANSLATIOSN!!!) before messing up WORKING upstream stuff -.-20:50
PythonSnakeHi BajK20:53
BajKPythonSnake: ?20:53
PythonSnakeI have a "Segmentation fault" problem when I try to open rekonq or chromium20:54
PythonSnakeanyone know how to fix ?20:55
BajKoh man i JUST want to copy some files over to my pc-.-20:58
BajKeven WINDOWS works fine with this20:58
BajKbut no the canonical guys LOVE beta software20:58
BajKand mess it all up20:58
BajKwhy just LEAVE things working? no no we need stupid not working beta software all over the place20:59
BajKoh and stuff that works.. well nooo it works, that cant be! we are canonical, we have to change it, re-code it and introduce regressions and bugs, otherwise we would probably satisfy our users which is definitly not in our interest20:59
valsumBajK: why don't you have a cup of tea and realx21:00
valsumrelax*21:00
BajKi WILL relax21:00
BajKonce I have copied my files21:00
BajK-.-21:00
valsumfrom where?21:01
BajKfrom my notebook to my pc …21:01
valsumuse a flash drive?21:01
BajKgreat.21:01
BajKthat is definitly a great solution21:01
BajKthanks for that …21:01
BajKI would have done that21:02
BajKif it would WORK21:02
BajKbut that doesnt work either21:02
valsumjust want you to be able to relax21:02
BajKseems they want to push their stupid Ubuntu One cloud stuff :D and so they mess up EVERYTHING that is related to copying files over to another pc21:02
BajKto force you to use it21:02
valsumbah21:03
genii-aroundBajK: I understand the situation is frustrating for you. But venting in this channel doesn't help anyone.21:03
BajKit IS frustrating, especially if they sell you "Improvements" that are actually regressions21:03
BajKsamba worked fine in 10.10, now they "Improved" the samba share creation dialog (file propperties tab "share") and now it doesnt work anymore21:04
BajKUse sftp? "The fingerprint has changed. youre screwed, yay!" . Use sftp from the other pc "remote hjost declined connection". Copy it over to a usb flash drive well nothing happens, the files dont arrive. …21:04
genii-aroundBajK: If you had begun with an actual description of your problem like: I'm getting "remote host declined connection" then someone may have been able to start helping with it, but until the last line or so we only saw your anger, etc.21:06
BajKgreat: zipping all my files and using a simple upload script on my apache here.21:06
BajKgenii-around: you woudl definitly be angry if a feature that worked fine was "improved" although that meant it was "broken"21:06
BajKbut canonical is infamous for doing such stuff :)21:06
BajKthey introduce beta state software and in the over-next release, then it works21:07
BajKwas the thing with PulseAudio (now I love it), is the case with Gstreamer (I hope it wil run fine in 11.10) and hopefully samba will work again in 12.04 …21:07
genii-aroundBajK: Between the notebook and PC, what OS are on each?21:08
BajKboth Kubuntu 11.0421:08
BajKoh and dont forget about policykit, and I found UAC annoying …21:09
genii-aroundBajK: Do you have the error it gives if you try to use sftp ?21:11
BajK"The fingerprint has changed. This could indicate there is DNS spoofing" or something21:11
BajKinstead of a "F... Y... I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING" button there is no such thing and it just doesnt let me do what I WANT. this is not windows!21:11
genii-aroundBajK: Basically all you need to do there is remove the old fingerprint21:12
BajKand how? where?21:12
BajKand dont tell me to use a console21:12
BajKor edit config files21:12
gomiboylol21:12
genii-aroundBajK: It is in a file in your home directory of .ssh/known_hosts   ... if you're not willing to edit it then you're just going to keep getting the same message...21:13
BajKand why isnt there such thing as a GRAPHICAL frontend? or a button "yes I know, but let me do my stuff"?21:14
genii-aroundBajK: The message should also have given you a line or entry number21:14
BajKgenii-around: it didnt. and the message was a mixture of english, German, inbetween mixes, no puncuation …21:14
BajKso ok, for this usability FAIL i will now not use sftp anymore21:14
BajKand since smb is broken as well I cannot use this anymore21:14
BajKhmm, alternatives?21:14
genii-aroundBajK: Alternately, just rm the file and then recreate it21:15
gomiboypan and paper?21:15
BajKgenii-around: a graphical way. like a kcm or something …21:15
BajKhow should any NOVICE user know that?21:15
valsumasking21:16
BajKgreat.21:16
BajKand they say "linux is ready for the desktop" … ha, ha, ha, ha , haaaa21:16
* genii-around makes more coffee21:17
BajKand I believed in Linux :(21:17
PythonSnakeBajK: Do you like 10.04 or 11.04 more ?21:18
BajKoh and why cant I just enter sftp://bajk-desktop or SEE the other computers in the "Network" folder? hmm let me guess: ssh is totally differently implemented, does not respect the "Host name" thing I set (well, so what is it good for anyway?) and I need to edit some CONFIG FILE to tell him that the computer name is bajk-desktop and its ip (THAT CHANGES!) is whatever21:18
BajKright?21:18
BajKoh and now it says "Keine Verbindung zu Rechner Connection closed by remote host."21:19
BajK(great localization by the way)21:19
nerdtired21:20
ikoniaBajK: what's the issue you're having, lets see if we can fix it for you21:23
BajKikonia: I cannot copy files over from my notebook to my computer. it said "the fingerprint has changed" with NO apparent way to  change that/remove that/whatever. I then deleted the known hosts thing from the .svn folder like genii-around told although this is really NOT user friendly. and now I get "connection closed by remote host"21:26
BajKit worked a few hours ago jujst fine21:26
BajKand smb is also broken in 11.04 so I cannot copy it this way21:26
ikoniaBajK: ok - so lets step back a little and work it through if you ahve time21:27
ikoniaI've not been following the conversation, so apologies if I cover old ground21:27
ikoniaBajK: can you show me the exact command you're using to connect to the host that's a problem please.21:28
BajKsftp://192.168.0.10121:30
BajKi type in21:30
ikoniaBajK: ok - so that's sftp, and that's in a browser I assume ? correct21:30
BajKDolphin21:30
ikoniaclose enough21:30
ikoniaBajK: could you please open a terminal and do "ssh 192.168.0.101" please.21:31
BajKlol this thing is definitly playing tricks on me. I enter http://192.168.0.101:41141/uploader.php into my browser and I arrive at the NOTEBOOKS htdocs folder (which should be http://192.168.0.103:41145) DAMN21:31
BajKikonia: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer21:31
Ze75SUp all21:31
ikoniaBajK: interesting.21:32
ikoniaBajK: could you please pastebin the output of "ssh -vvv 192.168.101" please21:32
BajKand accessing http://192.168.0.101:41141/uploader.php from my main machine (which has the ip xx.101) then nothing happens21:32
BajKwtf!21:32
ikoniacontrol the language please21:32
ikoniaBajK: there should be nothing running on port 411141 unless you have messed with the settings21:32
BajKI configured apache to be listening on port 4114121:32
ikoniaok - so lets just focus on ssh at the moment if that's ok21:33
ikoniaone thing at a time21:33
BajKikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63600221:33
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ikoniaBajK: interesting, is this actually a remote host, or the same host you're actually on21:34
BajKhm?21:35
ikoniaBajK: are these 2 seperate physical machines ?21:35
BajK101 is my main machine 103 is my notebook21:35
ikoniaok - one thing that springs to mind, it's unlikley but possible, is an ip conflict, that would explain what you've seen......21:36
ikoniaoh21:36
ikoniaI bet it's an ip conflict if his connection has just dropped21:36
PythonSnakeWhere can I donate to Kubuntu ?21:37
PythonSnakeWhere can I donate to Kubuntu ?21:37
ikoniaI don't think there is a donte button, look on canonical's website21:38
ikoniaBajK: I'm wondering if you've got an IP conflict, explaining why your host key has changed and your apache setup is wrong21:38
PythonSnakewhat is canonical ?21:38
BajKhm21:38
BajKi think I have the issue21:38
ikoniaBajK: did your connection just drop on your workstation21:38
BajKyep21:38
BajKworking21:38
FloodBotK1BajK: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.21:38
BajKso, I had WiFi enabled and wired ethernet plugged in and the WiFI notebook hat the same IP as my main machine21:38
ikoniaexplain21:38
BluesKajikonia, , BajK perhaps static ips in network/interfaces21:38
ikoniaBajK: perfect, makes sense21:39
BajKmy main machine is configured static while the notebook is dhcp only (since one day my pc wouldnt connect and then I did manually and then i did not touch that setting)21:39
Pici!canonical | PythonSnake21:39
ubottuPythonSnake: Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/21:39
PythonSnakeoh21:39
ikoniaBajK: tidy up your dhcp pool21:39
BajK(shouldnt my router ensure that ips are not given twice?)21:39
ikoniaBajK: no21:39
BajKwhy not?21:40
ikoniaBajK: dhcp is not clever, you need to blacklist static IP's from the dhcp pool21:40
BajKmy main machine logs in as 101, then my notebook requests an IP, why would it give it the same ip?21:40
BajKhm kay21:40
BajKI will just switch back to DHCP :)21:40
ikoniaBajK: because your static IP was not given by dhcp, so it doesn't know it's already gone21:40
BajKikonia: it could know21:40
ikoniaBajK: it couldn't21:40
BajKif the company programming the router wasnt stupid ;)21:40
ikoniaBajK: how could it know ?21:40
BajKit knows that a client with the ip 101 has connected …21:40
ikoniaBajK: it's nothing to do with the router, that's not how dhcp works21:40
BajKor doesnt it?21:40
BajKand because dhcp "works stupid" the router should "act stupid"? great.21:41
ikoniaBajK: how would an application known that an IP is given out if it doesn't request the IP from it21:41
ikoniaBajK: dhcp is fine - you've just not configured it correctly21:41
BajKah that remembers me of that issue with the "limit the size of the .thumbnails folder" because "the spec says so, we dont do that and flood your hard drive" :D:D21:41
ikoniaand don't understand how dhcp works, it's a dumb protocol on purpose21:41
BluesKajBajK, list the static IPs in /etc/hosts.allow21:41
ikoniaBluesKaj: that's nothing to do with it21:41
ikoniathat's for tcp wrappers21:41
BluesKajif he sets up staic IPs it will21:42
ikoniano it won't21:42
ikoniait's nothing to do with dhcp, it's for tcp wrappers21:42
BajKhm also a weird thing21:42
ikoniaplus the router is the thing giving out IP's21:42
ikonianot the client21:42
BajKwhen I tried to connect when the problems started there was just a red info bnar saying "you are not to do this"21:42
BajKnow I connected and kde asked "are you sure to continue"21:42
BluesKajworks on my setup, not using dhcp ..that's why the IPs should be static21:43
ikoniathat part I don't know21:43
BajKhmm so thanks for all your assistance.21:43
ikoniaBluesKaj: hosts.allow/hosts.deny are for tcp wrappers and will have no worth on your system apart from tcp wrapper aware applications21:43
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BajKoh btw why didnt kubuntu tell me that IPs are used twice?21:43
ikoniaBajK: it probably didn't know as it's on the same machine21:43
BajKWindows used to warn me if theres more then one computer using the same IP. would have saved me a lot of trouble …21:43
BajKikonia: huh?21:44
BajKsame machine?21:44
ikoniaBajK: two different machines, it probably would have known, but because it's on the same machine, it can be "tricked"21:44
BajKmy notebook and my main machine ARE two different machines?21:44
ikoniaBajK: apologies, I thought you'd said the notebook wired and wirless had the same ip, not two different machine21:44
ikoniaBajK: it should have alerted you if it was on the network long enough to work it out, do you see anything in the syslog21:45
BajKand also I didnt look at the WiFi21:46
BajKI wa slooking at the Ethernet and the notebook had 103 and the main machine 10121:46
BajKso i didnt think about that same ip issue21:46
BajKand also I did not think that the user would give the same IP twice21:46
ikoniaeasy to miss21:46
ikoniaI only hit on it due to the apache problem you where seeing then the disconnect confirmed it to me21:46
BluesKajhmm , interesting ikonia , because I got the hosts.allow suggestred setup from a tutorial on using static IPs without dhcp. And you say that those settings are only used by apps that need network access21:48
ikoniaBluesKaj: they are only used by applications that are tcp wrapper aware21:48
ikoniaBluesKaj: there is a lot of duff information in duff tutorials on the net21:48
BluesKajikonia, obviously21:49
ikoniaBluesKaj: if you have time, google tcpd and tcp_wrappers (tcp wrappers) for a little more info21:49
ikonia(and if you're interested)21:49
gomiboyBluesKaj: maybe you mean /etc/hosts, that has to do with a no-dhcp configuration21:50
ikonianot really21:50
ikoniait doens't it's just a host to IP mapping, it doesn't have anything to do with dhcp or static IP's21:50
ikoniathink of it as a local resolver21:51
gomiboyikonia: you are obviously right, my dnsmasq confounds me :P21:51
BluesKajgomiboy, gomiboy , I have /etc/hosts IP configured with local host and gateway with dnsmasq and resolv.conf21:59
BluesKajoops , I repeat again , but anyway ..that's my setup22:00
BluesKajso ikonia my hosts.allow Ip list only works with NFS and the like ?22:03
ikoniaBluesKaj: NFS is tcpd aware, so yes22:05
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BluesKajright22:06
giulianon istallo driver stampante brother su kubuntu 11.0422:06
giuliachat in italiano???22:07
BluesKaj!it22:07
ubottuVai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)22:07
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giuliaaiutoooooooooo22:08
BluesKajgiulia, scrivi  /join #ubuntu-it22:11
* BluesKaj recalls why /etc/hosts.allow came to mind ...was during ssh setup , shortly after static IP was setup... too many settings confuse me sometimes22:21
BluesKajtime to take a break22:22
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PythonSnakeHI23:24
PythonSnakeHi*23:24
PythonSnakeI've finally resolved my problem23:24
PythonSnake:)23:24
sea4everHey all. Is anyone aware that the package Clisp is one version out of date? and that it's been that way for close to 11 months now?23:48
sea4everI dunno, is there a package maintainer in here? How does one poke the maintainer and let him know about this?23:48
Frank____hello?23:49
Frank____someone there?23:50
Frank____nee dus23:50
Frank____fuck23:50
DdpbfFrank____: do not swear23:50
PythonSnakehi23:50
DdpbfPythonSnake: hi23:50
PythonSnakeI've finally resolved my problem23:51
Ddpbfsea4ever: in *buntu there is no updates to newer versions23:51
PythonSnake:)23:51
DdpbfPythonSnake: congratulations23:51
PythonSnakeDdpbf: thanks23:51
Ddpbfsea4ever: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#Updating programs23:52
Ddpbftry some rolling release distro if you don't like it23:53
Ddpbf:)23:53
Ddpbfor search ppas23:53
sea4everOh, that's interesting. Ddpbf: I never knew it was security-fixes only. That's useful knowledge there. Ok thanks.23:53
Ddpbfyes it is how Debian works23:53
James147sea4ever: ^^ at most packages should be 6 mounths out of date though... if you stay on the latest version23:54
sea4everHmm..what's the latest version of *buntu?23:55
James14711.0423:55
sea4everI'll just upgrade now then. I'd like to get the latest version of GCC as well.23:55
Ddpbfsea4ever: lsb_release -a23:56
Ddpbfto find out wich buntu yo do use23:56
sea4everAh, I'm using 11.04 already..hmm23:56
PythonSnakewhat's the latest version of KDE ?23:57
James1474.6.something... 4.7 is due at the end of july though23:57
Ddpbfstable or development?23:57
Ddpbflatest stable is 4.6.423:57
Ddpbfdevelopment is 4.6.90 aka 4.7 rc123:58
* Ddpbf is KDE translator :>23:58
PythonSnakeHow to update to 4.6.4 ?23:58
sea4everI'll compile the new clisp myself. As another question, Tomorrow is my last day working here, and I'll be pretty bored for the next <unknown time period>. If I wanted to contribute some code to KDE who would I speak to?23:58
James147PythonSnake: what version are you on?23:58
DdpbfPythonSnake: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-46423:58
PythonSnake4.6.223:58
James147sea4ever: http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute   or join #kubuntu-devel23:59

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