[00:00] <PythonSnake> yeah
[00:02] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: Hardware acceleration is enabled.
[00:02] <PythonSnake> I've checked
[00:03] <SIR_Taco> if you run it from konsole do you get any more information? ALT-F2 konsole ... then type "chromium-browser"
[00:07] <PythonSnake> .. konsole is terminal..
[00:07] <SIR_Taco> yes
[00:07] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[00:08] <LINKSWORD2> .... WTF?!
[00:08] <szal> [01:07:17] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[00:08] <szal> [01:07:17] <-- LINKSWORD2 has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
[00:08] <LINKSWORD2> ... Really? WTF?
[00:08] <LINKSWORD2> -_-
[00:10] <PythonSnake> ?
[00:10] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: same
[00:10] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: what version of Kubuntu?
[00:11] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: seems your peers didn't like you
[00:11] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: how to check?
[00:11] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: I think it's latest
[00:12] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: in a terminal type "lsb_release -r"
[00:12] <LINKSWORD2> Python, you can find out by going to the Help app in your task menu.
[00:12] <LINKSWORD2> ... Or that. :/
[00:13] <PythonSnake> 11.04
[00:13] <PythonSnake> latest.
[00:13] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: ok, give me a second to see what I can find
[00:17] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: you could try updating to a newer (beta) version of Chrome to see if it fixes the problem: https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta
[00:18] <SIR_Taco> might just be a problem with that version.... if it still doesn't work, you can always revert back to the old one
[00:19] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: ok
[00:26] <SIR_Taco> I think I broke him/her lol
[00:27] <PythonSnake> me ?
[00:27] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: yes, there you are... does it work now?
[00:28] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: nah same :(
[00:30] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: maybe use any other browser ?
[00:30] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: anything that doesn't use Webkit from the looks of things... Firefox should work fine
[00:31] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: it freezes
[00:31] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: there is something not right with your computer....
[00:32] <PythonSnake> ?
[00:32] <PythonSnake> it works great on gnome
[00:33] <SIR_Taco> PythonSnake: chrome and firefox work fine on Gnome? do  you have both installed at the same time?
[00:33] <szal> what's the problem anyway?  (backlog too long to read up)
[00:33] <SIR_Taco> szal: Chrome and Rekonq seg-fault, firefox freezes
[00:34] <szal> gfx driver issue?
[00:34] <SIR_Taco> szal: that was my thought
[00:34] <szal> SIR_Taco: what card?
[00:35] <SIR_Taco> szal: not my card, it's PythonSnake's card... Intel I believe
[00:35] <szal> no friggin' idea about Intel
[00:35] <PythonSnake> :(
[00:35] <szal> as far as I gather, Intel gfx is an utter mess anyway
[00:37] <PythonSnake> Found !
[00:38] <PythonSnake> SIR_Taco: rekonq crashed when I go to "http://design.canonical.com/2010/07/the-ubuntu-font/"
[00:38] <PythonSnake> strange
[00:38] <PythonSnake> :\
[00:39] <szal> PythonSnake: that site is pure HTML, nothing fancy embedded, afaics
[00:40] <SIR_Taco> maybe reqonq doesn't like the new font set feature... but that doesn't figure out the rest
[00:40] <PythonSnake> ...
[00:41] <Snowhog> SIR_Taco: Jumping in late, but if video is suspected, has PythonSnake disabled some/all of the Desktop Effects and see what happens then?
[00:42] <BATi> PythonSnake: hmm, your computer is seriously broken... I have that page opened in rekonq right now... even on Interl graphic crap
[00:43] <BATi> Intel, indeed :)
[00:43] <PythonSnake> seriously broken ?
[00:43] <PythonSnake> :(
[00:43] <Snowhog> BATi: Also here. Rekonq running on Kubuntu 11.04 64-bit with an Intel Graphics chip. Works fine.
[00:43] <SIR_Taco> Snowhog: no idea... I'm stumped
[00:44] <BATi> Snowhog: yup, same specs... only KDE SC updated to 4.6.4
[00:44] <Snowhog> BATi: KDE 4.6.4 here also.
[00:45] <PythonSnake> how to check kde version ?
[00:45] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: Do you by chance, have the Blur Desktop Effect enabled? On an Intel GPU, at least on mine, Blur doesn't work, and I have it unchecked.
[00:45] <szal> PythonSnake: look in any KDE app's Help menu
[00:46] <szal> PythonSnake: or run 'kwin --version'
[00:46] <PythonSnake> blur ?
[00:46] <PythonSnake> how to check ?
[00:47] <PythonSnake> I got 4.6.2 !
[00:47] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: System Settings > Desktop Effectes > All Effects tab.
[00:47] <szal> iow, 11.04 default
[00:47] <PythonSnake> lol...
[00:48] <PythonSnake> desktop effects are disabled
[00:48] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: Okay, eliminates that as a 'possible' contributor.
[00:48] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: You might want to giver serious consideration to upgrading KDE to 4.6.4
[00:48] <PythonSnake> ?
[00:49] <PythonSnake> how ?
[00:49] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: 'how' is not relevant, as Blur (or any Desktop Effects) isn't enabled.
[00:49] <szal> PythonSnake: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[00:50] <PythonSnake> Snowhog: how to upgrade
[00:50] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: szal gave you the link.
[00:51] <PythonSnake> hmm dont have working browser..
[00:51] <szal> PythonSnake: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa <- to be precise
[00:51] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: You can install Firefox. The installer is in the K Menu.
[00:52] <szal> PythonSnake: if all else fails -> w3m on the terminal, enough to read text
[00:52] <SIR_Taco> Snowhog: firefox locks up on him too.... that's where the "hmmmm" comes from
[00:52] <SIR_Taco> doesn't seg-fault... just locks
[00:52] <PythonSnake> ugh
[00:53] <PythonSnake> I right clicked and removed something now taskbar is on the top how to reset ?
[00:53] <szal> short version -> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:53] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: In a console type: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:53] <Snowhog> szal: :)
[00:53] <szal> Snowhog: no need to dist-upgrade
[00:54] <Snowhog> szal: I alwasy use dist-upgrade as it inteligently handles dependencies, adding/removing as required. uprade does not.
[00:54]  * szal uses aptitude ;)
[00:55]  * Snowhog does all package management via the console using apt-get
[00:56] <szal> apt was deprecated by Debian a while ago, so I chose to go w/ aptitude
[00:57] <Snowhog> szal: Maybe so, but apt is still very much alive. ;)
[00:57] <SIR_Taco> szal: YOU were depreciated a whie ago! (kidding of course) :)
[00:58] <szal> lol
[00:58] <PythonSnake> upgrading
[00:58] <PythonSnake> :)
[01:00] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: When it's completed, and this is what I do, perform a shutdown/restart and when logged back in to the desktop, open a console and repeat: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Yes, I know, but I do it anyway. My systems have always been trouble free.
[01:01] <PythonSnake> ok
[01:05] <PythonSnake> hmm
[01:06] <PythonSnake> I just came from gnome
[01:06] <PythonSnake> so I used a command to delete gnome and stuff
[01:06] <PythonSnake> how to completly delete them ?
[01:06] <PythonSnake> cuz I've found some running proccess of them
[01:09] <genii-around> !purekde
[01:12] <PythonSnake> ok
[01:13] <PythonSnake> Snowhog: I can't view youtube videos it's black
[01:13] <jwash> is there a repository/page that will generate a kernel cfg based upon the results from 'lspci -n'
[01:17] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: That will almost certainly be a Flash issue. Is your CPU 64-bit?
[01:17] <PythonSnake> no.
[01:18] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: Install via KPackagekit kubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-addons
[01:19] <PythonSnake> ok
[01:21] <Snowhog> PythonSnake: As to removing all Ubuntu stuff, assuming you installed kubuntu-desktop, see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[01:22] <PythonSnake> tried that
[01:23] <SIR_Taco> I'm sorry, but I fail to see how removing all traces of GTK would help the problem?
[01:23] <PythonSnake> ugh sorry i gtg
[01:23] <Snowhog> SIR_Taco: Not to solve the browser problem - PythonSnake want's a pure KDE system now.
[01:23] <PythonSnake> thanks for the help
[01:24] <PythonSnake> take care
[01:24] <SIR_Taco> Snowhog: still... how are hardware accel problems going to be helped with removing Gnome?
[01:25] <Snowhog> SIR_Taco: We are past that as far as I can tell. The upgrade to KDE 4.6.4 likely fixed his problem with that I think.
[01:25] <SIR_Taco> Snowhog: sorry... I missed the bit about the KDE system :)
[01:26] <Snowhog> SIR_Taco: You're forgiven. :)
[01:26] <SIR_Taco> serves me right for being busy, haha
[01:27] <cdunlap> Is anyone seeing any issues with the kubuntu ppa's?  I seem to be getting a 404 a few of the natty directories
[01:30] <SIR_Taco> cdunlap: are you using the main servers? or the local ones?
[01:31] <cdunlap> Here are a couple of the failed fetch's:
[01:31] <cdunlap> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[01:31] <cdunlap> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[01:32] <cdunlap> not sure if that helps or not
[01:32] <FloodBotK1> cdunlap: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:32] <cdunlap> I see from the floodbotk1 message that I shouldn't have done that.  My apologies
[01:33] <SIR_Taco> cdunlap: not a problem.... what do you use to update? PackageKit?
[01:34] <cdunlap> apt-get mainly
[01:35] <cdunlap> from the command line
[01:35] <SIR_Taco> do you have kpackagekit installed?
[01:36] <cdunlap> doesn't look like it
[01:36] <SIR_Taco> or I guess you could run, in a console: "sudo software-properties-kde"
[01:37] <cdunlap> I will pull the kpackagekit down rq
[01:38] <SIR_Taco> shouldn't need it... should be able to do the "sudo software-properties-kde" without it I believe
[01:38] <cdunlap> that brought up the software sources menu
[01:39] <cdunlap> showing download from: server from canda
[01:39] <cdunlap> oops... canada
[01:39] <SIR_Taco> cdunlap: and you're in Canada?
[01:39] <cdunlap> no, can't even spell it, I am in the US
[01:39] <cdunlap> I just changed it to the main server
[01:40] <Bugsbane> Main server is massively faster and we're near Toronto :)
[01:40] <cdunlap> sorry about the misspell
[01:40] <SIR_Taco> cdunlap: I am :) ... yes you can try the main server... or you can click the drop-down list and select "Other..." and either pick your server, or click the "Select Best Server" Button
[01:41] <cdunlap> I will give that a shot and see what happens.
[01:42] <Bugsbane> I wish it would do a "Select best server" automatically when you're first installing Kubuntu...
[01:42] <Bugsbane> Rather than just base it on your timezone
[01:42] <SIR_Taco> Bugsbane: that's a very good point
[01:42] <Bugsbane> Thankyou, sir :)
[01:43] <SIR_Taco> I'll add that to my list :)
[01:43] <Bugsbane> \o/
[01:43] <cdunlap> it picked one at Michigan State.  I appreciate the informatin
[01:43] <cdunlap> good lord, I can't spell anything.  See I am an equal opportunity misspeller
[01:45] <cdunlap> actually it is still giving me the same errors
[01:45] <cdunlap> I will try the main server and try my luck
[01:48] <SIR_Taco> cdunlap: that's odd
[01:49] <SIR_Taco> the Toronto one works for me... but I'm only a couple hours from Toronto
[01:49] <jwash> how do i select/highlight more than one entry when i'm doing 'make xconfig'
[01:50] <cdunlap> I am seeing the same issue regardless of the server.
[01:51] <cdunlap> I am also seeing an error in the console "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-cldunlap" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0."
[01:51] <SIR_Taco> cdunlap: you're updating using "sudo"?
[01:51] <cdunlap> I am, yes
[01:51] <SIR_Taco> ok
[01:51] <cdunlap> and not misspelling it either
[01:52] <SIR_Taco> ;)
[01:53] <SIR_Taco> cdunlap:  this should fix it, I would think: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1080625
[01:57] <cdunlap> I did the chown and it is the same issue
[01:59] <cdunlap> can I just delete the /var/tmp/kdecache-cdunlap dir?
[01:59] <cdunlap> will it rebuild when I reboot? Maybe?
[01:59] <SIR_Taco> on reboot it should yes
[01:59] <SIR_Taco> but might cause problems before you reboot
[02:00] <cdunlap> ok, I will be back.... hopefully
[02:05] <cdunlap> same issues after blowing it away and rebooting
[02:06] <cdunlap> I am going to try removing the ppa and re-adding it but I don't think it will help
[02:12] <cdunlap> that seems to have removed the errors
[02:14] <SIR_Taco> cdunlap: excellent
[02:14] <cdunlap> Thanks for all your help Sir_Taco
[02:14] <cdunlap> I appreciate it
[02:14] <SIR_Taco> you're welcome
[02:20] <CarrySomething> I'm on kubuntu using a live-CD for my first look at an ubuntu distro.  Nice so far, but I'm trying to  install gtk-pod and it's not working.  I have tried "sudo apt-get install gtkpod"  fails "unable to locate package gtkpod
[02:25] <CarrySomething> any tips on how to install gtkpod?
[02:25] <Linkmaster> CarrySomething: is your LiveCD connected to the internet?
[02:25] <CarrySomething> Linkmaster:  yes sir it is
[02:26] <Linkmaster> Also, do note that LiveCD's shouldn't be used as an actual OS..there are a LOT of dependencies or gtkpod that are not included in the LiveCD.
[02:28] <uberdub> can anyone help troubleshoot a sound issue?
[02:28] <CarrySomething> Linkmaster: right... Like I said, I'm just testing this out.  I've got another distro actually installed I just wanted to 'testdrive' this
[02:29] <CarrySomething> Linkmaster: I just need to see if gtkpod will work
[02:29] <Linkmaster> gtkpod works on Kubuntu, iirc
[02:29] <szal> !audio | uberdub
[02:29] <CarrySomething> Linkmaster: That's great.. how do I installit
[02:30] <uberdub> yeah I may not have looked at those exact pages, but Ive been searching on it for days
[02:30] <anya> My laptop crashed while booting and now it wont load. I used the install cd to get to the files i need to save, but they wont copy to the thumbdrive. Can someone help?
[02:30] <Linkmaster> CarrySomething: I don't have a pod, but I believe its in the repos, you'll just need to install kubu first
[02:31] <CarrySomething> kubu?
[02:32] <uberdub> It was working fine, until automatic updates, then it would go out, and Id have to reboot, eventually rebooting didnt fix it
[02:33] <Linkmaster> Kubuntu
[02:34] <CarrySomething> you can't test it under the live cd?  (you can w/ "Mint" and a few others)
[02:34] <uberdub> ubottu: Ive been to those pages, still cant figure it out
[02:34] <uberdub> oh, wth
[02:34] <uberdub> lame
[02:35] <Linkmaster> CarrySomething: someone else might know, but I've used the LiveCD only three times; twice to install, once to reinstall GRUB onto my computer :P
[02:39] <CarrySomething> well thanks.  not sure why you answered then
[02:40] <anya> Does anyone know how to fix a grub?
[02:44]  * szal last used a *buntu live CD in 2007 or something
[02:44] <anya> The computer crashed because of a bad battery just as it was logging in. I keep getting errors when i try to boot from the hard drive. I can see my files on dolphin but I can't get to them because i have to use the cd to boot. Can someone help me get the computer to boot on its own?
[02:50] <genii-around> anya: Do you have more specific errors it gives when booting from the hard drive?
[02:51] <anya> it was like drdy errors
[02:52] <anya> genii-around: It would go to the screen that has the recovery option, and run for while with drdy errors. then while the screen was still black with the cursor, it would stop with somethng called busybox.
[02:52] <anya> genii-around: then nothing would happen.
[03:04] <SIR_Taco> need.... to finish... brother's... website...
[03:04] <anya> genii-around: Sorry. I am not much help.
[03:08] <SIR_Taco> anya: sounds like grub crapped out...... you should be able to recover it from a live-cd
[03:09] <anya> SIR_Taco: How do I do this?
[03:09] <anya> SIR_Taco: I have the Live CD up.
[03:10] <SIR_Taco> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 is a nice little walk-through... be sure to read the first post in it's entirety
[03:14] <anya> Ok. Thank you.
[03:14] <SIR_Taco> you're welcome... let me know if it works well for you
[03:15] <uberdub> can anyone help troubleshoot a sound issue?
[03:15] <uberdub> it just stopped working
[03:15] <anya> SIR_Taco: The person who put Kubuntu on my laptop put the home file in a separate partition. Will my files be safe?
[03:16] <SIR_Taco> anya: I hate to say yes... but generally yes
[03:16] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: what's the the problem?
[03:16] <CarrySomething> sudo apt-get install gtkpod
[03:16] <CarrySomething>   Any idea why that says unable to locate package?
[03:17] <anya> SIR_Taco: Thank you for your honesty.
[03:17] <SIR_Taco> anya: well... with most things... anything *could* happen :)
[03:19] <SIR_Taco> CarrySomething: do you have "Untrusted/Unsupported PPAs" enabled?
[03:19] <CarrySomething> SIR_Taco:  I'm new to kub.  how would I know/check
[03:23] <SIR_Taco> CarrySomething: you can get to the option in settings in the package manager you use (usually), or my lazy shortcut is: ALT-F2  and type "kdesudo software-properties-kde"  then click the "Updates" tab, and check the "unsupported updates" checkbox, then  OK/Apply/Close or whatever it is at the bottom
[03:28] <SIR_Taco> CarrySomething: work?
[03:30] <CarrySomething> SIR_Taco:  No.. but I poked around that "Softwar sources" think and enabled  "Community-maintained..." that did it
[03:30] <CarrySomething> :)
[03:30] <SIR_Taco>  CarrySomething: ah, well I figured it was one of them, good to hear
[03:31] <CarrySomething> Thanks much.. you got me headed in the correct direction and that's what counts
[03:31] <SIR_Taco> CarrySomething: you're very welcome
[03:32] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: haven't heard a peep from you about your sound problem.... (pun intended)
[03:32] <uberdub> my apologies
[03:33] <uberdub> SIR_Taco: it just stopped working after an update
[03:33] <CarrySomething> hmm now it won't import :(
[03:33] <uberdub> it had been giving me problems for a while, but a reboot used to fix it
[03:33] <SIR_Taco> CarrySomething: I can't help you with that I'm afraid...
[03:34] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: just a normal update? or and upgrade to a new version of Kubuntu?
[03:34] <uberdub> SIR_Taco: everything seems to be in order. card recognized, levels up, etc
[03:34] <uberdub> normal update
[03:34] <uberdub> Im in 11.04 natty
[03:35] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: ok... and you were on 11.04 before and the sound was fine, and now the sound doesn't work? (just trying to get a background )
[03:35] <uberdub> Ive tried reinstalling alsa, and pulseaudio
[03:36] <uberdub> yeah I migrated from slackware, because slack didnt seem to like my gpu
[03:36] <uberdub> straight to 11.04
[03:37] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: do you have a soundcard on your motherboard and use a different sound card  in a pci slot?
[03:38] <uberdub> no, its a netbook. HP mini 311 100nr, with some aftermarket network hardware
[03:38] <uberdub> nvidia ion
[03:38] <SIR_Taco> ok
[03:38] <uberdub> custom bios
[03:39] <uberdub> Ive ran across some bug reports on launchpad with audio, and my hardware
[03:39] <uberdub> but it was working fine
[03:39] <uberdub> in 11.04
[03:39] <SIR_Taco> if you click the "K" menu -> Computer -> System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon.... does your output show there?
[03:41] <uberdub> yes internal audio digital stereo(hdmi)
[03:41] <uberdub> some other greyed out too
[03:42] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: you have an HDMI cable going to your speakers?
[03:42] <uberdub> no internal speakers in the netbook
[03:42] <uberdub> headphones dont work either
[03:42] <uberdub> I can hear them connect like white noise or something when I plug them into the headphone jack though fwiw
[03:43] <SIR_Taco> is there one along the lines of "Internal Audio Analog?"
[03:43] <uberdub> yeah
[03:43] <uberdub> its grayed out
[03:43] <SIR_Taco> the only un-grayed out option you have it hdmi?
[03:44] <uberdub> yes SIR
[03:44] <uberdub> :)
[03:45] <SIR_Taco> how about opening konsole and typing "alsamixer"? does it show the analog one?
[03:46] <SIR_Taco> might have to hit "F6"  and select the sound card.... just want to make sure they're not all muted
[03:46] <uberdub> Card: HDA NVidia       Chip: Nvidia MCP79/7A HDMI
[03:46] <SIR_Taco> I say "sound card", but really it's the output... a sound card can have many outputs
[03:46] <uberdub> nothing is muted
[03:47] <uberdub> yeah shows as HDA nvidia
[03:47] <SIR_Taco> hitting F6 gives you options, or no?
[03:47] <uberdub> options are default, or hda nvidia
[03:47] <SIR_Taco> ok... and all the options are not muted?
[03:48] <uberdub> correct
[03:48] <uberdub> Ive checked that a few times
[03:48] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: ok, I have to assume that you know little or nothing when it comes to Linux :)
[03:49] <uberdub> no worries, I appreciate the help
[03:50] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: what about righ-clicking the volume icon in your system tray and selecting "Select Master Channel"? Do you have more than one option?
[03:50] <uberdub> nope same
[03:51] <SIR_Taco> ok... back in the System Settings -> Multimedia ->Phonon... what's listed when you click the "Backend" tab?
[03:52] <uberdub> gstreamer
[03:53] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: ok, it's definitely a hardware/driver problem as far as I'm concerned....
[03:54] <uberdub> ok....any fix or workaround?
[03:54] <SIR_Taco> well that's the big question I guess
[03:54] <SIR_Taco> have you updated lately?
[03:54] <uberdub> not since tha last one afaik
[03:54] <uberdub> Ive tried reinstalling the modules
[03:55] <uberdub> using synaptic
[03:55] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: you shouldn't have to use insmod/modprobe etc.
[03:55] <SIR_Taco> ah ok
[03:56] <uberdub> nah didnt use modprobe
[03:56] <uberdub> ahh the luxuries of *ubuntu
[03:56] <uberdub> :)
[03:56] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: lol... yes... :P
[03:56] <uberdub> this ones got me stumped though
[03:57] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: have you done an "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in a terminal lately?
[03:57] <uberdub> yeah
[03:57] <uberdub> couple times
[03:57] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: it has me stumped too...
[03:57] <uberdub> its been broke for over a week now
[03:57] <uberdub> maybe a bug
[03:58] <SIR_Taco> did the kernel version change perhaps when the problem came about?
[03:58] <uberdub> dont think so
[03:58] <uberdub> Ive been thinking about upgrading to a newer kernel
[03:58] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: do you use Grub?
[03:58] <uberdub> uh yes, but its all automated
[03:58] <uberdub> i dont dual boot
[03:58] <uberdub> pure linux
[03:58] <SIR_Taco> ah ok
[03:59] <uberdub> I use nothing else
[03:59] <SIR_Taco> but you should be able to hold the "shift" key, to get a grub menu, yes?
[03:59] <uberdub> yeah
[03:59] <uberdub> I can get to a prompt too
[03:59] <SIR_Taco> would it still list old kernels?
[03:59] <uberdub> uh...I think so
[04:00] <SIR_Taco> it should
[04:00] <SIR_Taco> Haave you tried the old kernel(s) to see if the sound still works?
[04:00] <uberdub> hmm last time it gave me recovery options, but i dont think it gave me a different kernel
[04:00] <uberdub> I did filesystem check, and all that everything clean
[04:00] <SIR_Taco> it should give you atleast 2 options... unless it was changed
[04:01] <uberdub> no bad packages
[04:01] <uberdub> yeah
[04:01] <SIR_Taco> I really think it's a bad kernel driver
[04:02] <uberdub> uberdub@TerrapinStation:~/Documents$ uname -a
[04:02] <uberdub> Linux TerrapinStation 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[04:02] <uberdub> hmmmm, sounds feasible
[04:02] <uberdub> how to confirm?
[04:02] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: 3.0-1-generic #2-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 15 20:28:47 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:03] <uberdub> you running 3.0?
[04:03] <uberdub> stable?
[04:03] <SIR_Taco> if you can hold "shift" on boot, and select and old(er) kernel, to see if it works, then you know that 2.6.38-8 isn't working for you
[04:03] <uberdub> ok
[04:04] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: it's stable for me.... doesn't mean it's stable for everyone
[04:04] <uberdub> right
[04:05] <uberdub> this may or may not pertain to me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/788817
[04:06] <SIR_Taco> uberdub:  Yes, but I can see that being passed off to a regression in the kernel...
[04:06] <uberdub> ahhh
[04:07] <uberdub> Im gonna check grub, on next restart
[04:07] <uberdub> I remember it had a few options
[04:08] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: with your symptoms, I would say it's a hardware regression
[04:08] <uberdub> hmmm, Im not exactly sure what you mean by hardware regression
[04:10] <SIR_Taco> driver regression is probably more like it... the hardware worked, now it doesn't.... and doesn't even show up as hardware.... driver problem
[04:10] <uberdub> ahhh
[04:10] <uberdub> hmmm
[04:11] <uberdub> would running a different kernel fix it you think?
[04:11] <uberdub> damn driver compatibility, and linux
[04:11] <uberdub> bah
[04:12] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: it could, which is why I was suggesting holding your shift key and selecting an older kernel to see if it solved the problem
[04:12] <uberdub> just when I thought I had it all sorted
[04:12] <uberdub> ok will do
[04:12] <SIR_Taco> life without tests would just be blah :)
[04:13] <uberdub> I got kids running around the living room right now, thats a little more attention than I can give atm
[04:13] <uberdub> Im gonne reboot here in a few
[04:13] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: not a problem, whenever you can
[04:15] <SIR_Taco> I'm not going to sit here an ask:"Have you rebooted yet? Have you rebooted yet? Have you rebooted yet? Have you rebooted yet?" like a car trip :P
[04:15] <uberdub> lol
[04:16] <uberdub> ok, gonna reboot now
[04:16] <SIR_Taco> haha ok
[04:16] <SIR_Taco> have you rebooted yet?
[04:16] <uberdub> the chaos has subsided
[04:16] <SIR_Taco> lol
[04:16] <uberdub> lol
[04:16] <szal> SIR_Taco: Natty didn't get any kernel updates yet, to my knowledge
[04:17] <uberdub> yeah, I didnt think so, but not 100%
[04:17] <szal> or at least I haven't seen any yet the 4 weeks I'm on Natty now
[04:17] <SIR_Taco> szal: well then what would cause an audio driver going AWOL?
[04:19] <szal> SIR_Taco: no friggin' idea..  but nVidia sound modules seem to be somewhat problematic anyway; I've had an issue w/ one 2 years ago in Arch Linux when, after a kernel update (in that case it was one) the device wouldn't even be recognized any more
[04:19] <szal> and I couldn't even make it reappear by rolling back the kernel
[04:20] <uberdub> yeah it recognizes it
[04:20] <SIR_Taco> szal: odd, but it's worth a shot
[04:20] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: it works?
[04:20] <uberdub> no, but the device does show up
[04:21] <uberdub> was waiting to see szal's responses before I reboot
[04:21] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: ok, now if you play with the settings a bit, it should give you sound
[04:21] <uberdub> one minute rebooting for sure now
[04:21] <SIR_Taco> so it works without changing kernels? lol
[04:21] <szal> uberdub: only suggestion I can give you is pay a visit to #alsa
[04:21] <uberdub> no
[04:22] <uberdub> the device is recognized in system settings, but I dont get sound
[04:22] <uberdub> going to reboot now, and try the grub thing
[04:22] <uberdub> bbiaf
[04:22] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: ok
[04:24] <SIR_Taco> have no fear Linkmaster is here :)
[04:24] <Linkmaster> :D
[04:24] <Linkmaster> My internet went out, like its prone to do
[04:25] <SIR_Taco> well you missed lots of fun
[04:26] <SIR_Taco>  Linkmaster: There was a clown, and a bouncy castle.... man... you missed out :)
[04:26] <Linkmaster> Hmm, darn
[04:26]  * Linkmaster starts his fires
[04:26] <Linkmaster> maybe they'll be back :D
[04:27] <SIR_Taco> haha
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> the bouncy castle was fun.... lol
[04:33] <uberdub> SIR_Taco: only options were a recovery mode, and a couple mem tests
[04:34] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: argh
[04:36] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: are there any new (un-grayed out) devices in Multimedia option?
[04:38] <uberdub> SIR_Taco: nope
[04:39] <uberdub> I seem to remember when there were more options in phonon though
[04:39] <SIR_Taco> options are confusing.... ;)
[04:40] <uberdub> they werent all grayed at one point
[04:40] <uberdub> in system settings
[04:40] <uberdub> was more than one iirc
[04:40] <uberdub> when I first installed
[04:41] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: do you still have "Xine" in your "Backend" tab list?
[04:41] <uberdub> nope just GStreamer
[04:41] <SIR_Taco> anyone that's around that would like to put their 2-cents in on this problem?
[04:42] <SIR_Taco> (if you're Canadian it's about 2.1 cents...)
[04:45] <SIR_Taco> I really don't want you to install all the Xine plugins, on a maybe.... was hoping someone had a similiar experience
[04:46] <uberdub> xine plugins, are avaailable through like synaptic right?
[04:46] <uberdub> in the reps?
[04:46] <SIR_Taco> yes
[04:46] <uberdub> cool
[04:46] <uberdub> havent used it since like slack 10
[04:46] <SIR_Taco> you can give it a shot I guess
[04:46] <uberdub> yeah wont hurt....hopefully
[04:47] <uberdub> lol
[04:47] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: I started with Slackware.... I'm too lazy to go back now :P
[04:47] <uberdub> yeah, I hear ya
[04:47] <uberdub> compiling from source gets daunting
[04:48] <uberdub> deb packages are pretty convenient
[04:48] <uberdub> and have become pretty much a standard
[04:48] <SIR_Taco> can't remember what version I started on... somewhere aroun '99.... had to selected packages via ncurses when installing... fun fun fun :)
[04:48] <uberdub> slack packages arent any where near as popular
[04:49] <uberdub> lol, yeah its much easier to install now
[04:49] <uberdub> Pat is just so stubborn about not using the latest stuff
[04:50] <uberdub> newer hardware like my ion gpu didnt talk well
[04:50] <uberdub> thats the thing with slack
[04:51] <uberdub> its hella stable, but needs lots of tweaking to get it right on your machine, I dont want to have to write custom scripts just to use the basic fuinctions of my hardware
[04:52] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: I remember having nightmares about getting the latest QT lol
[04:52] <uberdub> yeah its great for servers, but really not so ideal in an end user situation like laptops
[04:53] <SIR_Taco> very true
[04:53] <SIR_Taco> great starter Linux distro.... being thrown into the fire :)
[04:54] <knob> uberdub: You talking about kubuntu?
[04:55] <uberdub> no slackware
[04:55] <uberdub> I always recommend slack to newbies actually
[04:55] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all. :D
[04:55] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: I thought the peers got you?
[04:56] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[04:56] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, but I bite back, man. :D
[04:56] <uberdub> it teaches true linux, and what you learn from slack, you can carry over to any distro
[04:56] <uberdub> given its very unix likeness
[04:56] <uberdub> I like slack, but *ubuntu is really smooth,
[04:57] <uberdub> slack gets daunting
[04:57] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: I agree... but I don't want to go through it again :)
[04:57] <valorie> btw, phonon-xine is deprecated
[04:58] <uberdub> yeah, I would for a backend situation
[04:58] <uberdub> its more stable, than any other distro Ive used
[04:58] <valorie> phonon-gstreamer and phonon-vlc are both great
[04:59] <uberdub> valorie: should I try those you think?
[04:59] <SIR_Taco> valorie: yes I know.... but I was hoping it would fix the problem until it's fixed in gstreamer
[04:59] <LINKSWORD2> #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:59] <valorie> what problem are you having with gst?
[05:00] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: don't start with that
[05:00] <uberdub> valorie: Im having a sound issue. gstreamer is all that shows up in "backend"
[05:01] <valorie> well, install phonon-backend-vlc
[05:01] <valorie> xine really isn't a solution
[05:01] <LINKSWORD2> SIR_Taco: I've got something to share with you, in the off-topic chat.
[05:01] <LINKSWORD2> :D
[05:01] <valorie> a year or two ago, the situation was entirely different
[05:01] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: can I wear what I'm wearing? lol
[05:01] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[05:01] <LINKSWORD2> Yes
[05:05] <uberdub> ok, installed phonon-backend-vlc
[05:06] <uberdub> made it preferred
[05:07] <uberdub> still no sound
[05:08] <SIR_Taco> uberdub: I really, really, really think it's a kernel driver problem
[05:09] <layan> madre mia tan tarde y conectados
[05:09] <SevenSegmentAMMO> uberdub: sure all your levels are turned up in alsamixer?
[05:09] <layan> haber cuando sacar la actualizacion para KWIN, la de Kwin OpenGL ES
[05:09] <uberdub> Ill check again
[05:09] <layan> O.O
[05:09] <uberdub> yeah theyre up
[05:10] <layan> Integrar "Oxygen-Transparent" in Kubuntu package!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[05:10] <SevenSegmentAMMO> any sound through headphones?
[05:10] <layan> in the repos
[05:10] <uberdub> nope
[05:10] <layan> pleaseee
[05:10] <layan> xd
[05:10] <layan> xD
[05:10] <FloodBotK1> layan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:10] <layan> i dont use flood!
[05:11] <SevenSegmentAMMO> uberdub: create a new user and log in.. see if it's a corrupted preference setting
[05:12] <uberdub> ok
[05:14] <uberdub> added new user, gonna see if I can log in under it
[05:16] <SevenSegmentAMMO> alright
[05:21] <uberdub> SevenSegmentAMMO: it works fine under a different user
[05:21] <uberdub> now were getting somewhere
[05:21] <uberdub> hmmmm
[05:21] <uberdub> that means its a configuration issue
[05:21] <SevenSegmentAMMO> alright.. that means we need to delete a .directory in your /home folder
[05:21] <uberdub> hmmm
[05:21] <uberdub> which one?
[05:21] <SevenSegmentAMMO> not exactally sure which one
[05:21] <SevenSegmentAMMO> ha
[05:21] <uberdub> lol
[05:21] <uberdub> me either
[05:21] <SevenSegmentAMMO> pause
[05:22] <SevenSegmentAMMO> maybe .pulse
[05:23] <SevenSegmentAMMO> copy it to your desktop.. i wouldn't delete it
[05:23] <SevenSegmentAMMO> not copy.. move
[05:24] <uberdub> ok
[05:24] <SevenSegmentAMMO> sudo mv /home/user/.pulse /home/user/Desktop/.pulse
[05:24] <uberdub> sweet thanks
[05:25] <SevenSegmentAMMO> hummm... may need a -R option try without
[05:25] <uberdub> mv: cannot stat `/home/user/.pulse': No such file or directory
[05:26] <SevenSegmentAMMO> alright.. try this.  in a terminal type ls /home/user/. and hit the tab key after the .  take a screen shot and post it for me to have a look at
[05:27] <SevenSegmentAMMO> ohh.. nevermind IC
[05:27] <SevenSegmentAMMO> replace user with your username
[05:27] <SevenSegmentAMMO> and log back in under the user with no sound
[05:29] <uberdub> ok
[05:30] <uberdub> gotcha
[05:30] <uberdub> der
[05:30] <uberdub> I shoulda known that
[05:30] <uberdub> thats what I get for mindlessly copy and pasting
[05:31] <SevenSegmentAMMO> happens to the best of us
[05:31] <uberdub> I dont show .pulseaudio in the desktop directory tho
[05:32] <SevenSegmentAMMO> nope.. just .pulse and it will be in your /home/user folder
[05:32] <SevenSegmentAMMO> we need to remove the .pulse folder from it's current location, but don't delete it.. that may not be what's causing the problems
[05:33] <uberdub> I dont see it in /home/uberdub either
[05:34] <SevenSegmentAMMO> alright, post a screen shot of all the .folders in your /home/uberdub folder.. in a terminal if you type ls /home/uberdub/. and hit the tab key after the . it should show you all the .folders
[05:34] <SevenSegmentAMMO> take a screen shot and i'll try to pick all the ones sound related
[05:34] <SevenSegmentAMMO> TRY*
[05:34] <uberdub> one sec
[05:35] <SevenSegmentAMMO> not that i really know, but i'd say since a new user sound works good it's narrowed down to your /home/uberdub/.folders
[05:35] <uberdub> ok
[05:36] <uberdub> I see a bunch of stuff in there that I need to remove apps ive gotten rid of, and arent using
[05:36] <SevenSegmentAMMO> also try this... aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/test.wav and replace test.wav with a file that exists
[05:37] <uberdub> how you want me to get this screenshot to you?
[05:40] <uberdub> SevenSegmentAMMO: http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo152/tone3721/snapshot4.png
[05:42] <SevenSegmentAMMO> try moving the .mplayer uberdub
[05:42] <SevenSegmentAMMO> also did you try that aplay -Dplughw:0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/test.wav command?
[05:42] <SevenSegmentAMMO> i would try that first uberdub
[05:44] <uberdub> doing that now
[05:45] <uberdub> ok test worked
[05:46] <SevenSegmentAMMO> alright.. then sounds like a problem with the player that your using
[05:46] <uberdub> hmmm
[05:46] <SevenSegmentAMMO> aplay is for alsaplayer.. so if aplay works your sound system is working
[05:46] <uberdub> all of them?
[05:46] <uberdub> weird
[05:46] <SevenSegmentAMMO> humm
[05:46] <SevenSegmentAMMO> what all have you tried?
[05:46] <uberdub> flashplayer doesnt play sound, and neither does vlc
[05:46] <uberdub> thats all I really use
[05:47] <SevenSegmentAMMO> try moving the .maplyer folder.. and try again, may need a log out/restart to recreate the folder
[05:48] <SevenSegmentAMMO> uberdub: do you have alsa set as your preference for audio output in the settings of vlc
[05:49] <uberdub> one sec trying another media player
[05:50] <uberdub> well fvck me
[05:51] <uberdub> working in dragon player
[05:51] <uberdub> trying the vlc thing now
[05:52] <uberdub> it was set to default
[05:53] <SevenSegmentAMMO> try installing vlc-plugin-pulse
[05:53] <uberdub> ok
[05:54] <uberdub> its working
[05:54] <uberdub> you think I should still install plugin-pulse?
[05:54] <SevenSegmentAMMO> nope
[05:54] <uberdub> testing flahplayer in firefox now
[05:54] <uberdub> ok
[05:57] <uberdub> yep all is working now
[05:57] <SevenSegmentAMMO> awesome
[05:57] <uberdub> man, thanks a bunch man
[05:57] <SevenSegmentAMMO> sure thing
[05:57] <uberdub> if you were local, Id buy you a beer, or pizza or something
[05:57] <uberdub> lol
[05:58] <uberdub> really appreciate it
[05:58] <uberdub> been racking my brain on that one for over a week
[05:59] <SevenSegmentAMMO> you can paypal to loaded.check@gmail.com, but it's not necessary
[06:14] <uberdub> SevenSegmentAMMO: waiting on a deposit, and I can send a few bucks your way
[06:14] <uberdub> it will come from nix.steven@gmail.com
[06:15] <SevenSegmentAMMO> that's awesome, thanks!
[06:16] <uberdub> no problem, thanks for taking the time to sort that crap out
[06:16] <uberdub> I was stumped
[06:16] <uberdub> it was just a vlc setting...man
[08:11] <Goliath> which is better scanner utility, xsane or gnomescan (or other) ?
[09:05] <sorush20> hi
[09:06] <sorush20> just wanted to know how to disable the spiral desktop ? My windows resize themselves and arrange themselves I don't want that..
[09:16] <valorie> sorush20: that is in systemsettings
[09:18] <valorie> window behavior in systemsettings
[09:24] <sorush20> I want to completely disable kwin transparency and special effects. .I comes on eveytime I start the computer.. how do I do this?
[09:26] <yofel> sorush20: system settings -> desktop effects
[09:26] <yofel> there's a checkbox
[09:27] <sorush20> yofel: I can't access the checkbox, its grayed out.. no even with sudo
[09:28] <sorush20> yofel: I get the message desktop effects are not available onthis machine due to following issue, but then there is not reason written..
[09:30] <yofel> sorush20: then they're not enabled
[09:31] <sorush20> yofel: But I still see transparency and also when I click on suspend then it stops.. I think they are not fully enabled as my graphics card is not fully suppported
[09:33] <yofel> no idea, as long as they're enabled the "Enable Desktop Effects" checkbox should be enabled. If they don't work it should already disable them
[10:35] <skeith> hi
[10:35] <skeith> i have problem with amarok
[10:36] <skeith> it crash after install libwebkitgtk-1.0
[10:37] <skeith> libwebgtk-1.0 is installed with gimp so i can't have amarok and gimp both
[10:51] <valorie> libwebkit?
[10:51] <valorie> err, libwebgtk ?
[10:51] <valorie> that would have nothing to do with amarok
[10:52] <valorie> if gimp is crashing, I think it's oxygen-gtk that needs to be removed
[10:52] <valorie> skeith: start amarok from the console
[10:52] <valorie> amarok --debug --nofork
[10:53] <valorie> and watch the output
[10:54] <skeith> ok
[10:55] <sevenseas> good morning folks
[10:57] <skeith> i forget that amarok start ok but it crash after i try to litsten a internet radio
[10:57] <valorie> I knew it had nothing to do with gimp
[10:57] <valorie> what does the crash say, in a pastebin please?
[10:57] <valorie> this would be better in #amarok, by the way
[10:57] <valorie> oops, #amarok
[10:59] <skeith> http://pastebin.com/RpjNqfcW
[10:59] <skeith> when i unistall libwebgtk it's ok
[11:00] <valorie> wow
[11:01] <valorie> I see it there, which is stunning
[11:01] <valorie> so the crash-handler didn't come up?
[11:01] <valorie> [KCrash Handler]
[11:01] <valorie> #7  0x9a1fe0fa in JSCheckScriptSyntax () from /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
[11:03] <skeith> crash handler come up
[11:03] <skeith> i've copied info from there
[11:03] <valorie> ok, please file a bug then
[11:03] <valorie> using Dr. K.
[11:04] <valorie> add the info about libwebgtk
[11:04] <valorie> that's just so weird
[11:04] <skeith> i know
[11:05] <esmirlin> chicos qué dependencias necesito instalar para poder instalar este tema¿? http://pastebin.com/TknT9Yz7
[11:06] <valorie> !es | esmirlin
[11:06] <valorie> I'm heading to bed, since it's 3am
[11:06] <sevenseas> good night
[11:06] <valorie> thanks for filing the bug, skeith
[11:06] <skeith> thakns for help
[11:06] <valorie> niters sevenseas - cool nick, by the way
[11:07] <esmirlin> valorie: sorry i was wrong... i meant, what do i have to install before starting to install this? http://pastebin.com/TknT9Yz7
[11:07] <sevenseas> ty :)
[11:07] <skeith> and good night :D
[11:09] <valorie> esmirlin: why are you compiling it, rather than just installing the package?
[11:09] <valorie> I would do: sudo apt-get install oxygen-gtk
[11:10] <esmirlin> valorie: cause i'm using ubuntu gnome 10.04, i'm not sure if i can install it in there this way :S
[11:11] <valorie> no reason you shouldn't
[11:11] <valorie> oh, unless it wasn't available then?
[11:11] <valorie> I suggest asking one of the devel channels
[11:12] <valorie> I build stuff, but have never run into the error message you are getting
[13:07] <rory_> MOTD
[13:36] <wawa> hi
[13:38] <wawa> ene boute poule?
[13:39] <Oer> !fr
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:16] <smose> hey folks
[14:17] <smose> anyone has a solution for fixing X?
[14:17] <smose> it won't start even in failsafe
[14:17] <smose> it also crashes entire machine on normal boot
[14:21] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[14:21] <BluesKaj> smose,^
[14:24] <smose> hmm.. i have no browser, but i'm guessing i have to put that in grub?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> smose, in  /etc/default/grub , reset the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash", to :GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
[14:32] <BluesKaj> smose,  or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[14:32] <BATi> smose: and don't forget to run update-grub
[14:32] <BluesKaj> smose, actually the latter is best , then sudo update-grub
[14:35] <smose> so, nomodeset after splash and then update? =)
[14:35] <BluesKaj> smose, yes then update-grub
[14:37] <smose> and this is safe to do?
[14:37] <smose> i mean i can't brick my machine if this wont work?
[14:38] <Oer> it is bricked now, isn it ?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> smose, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+question/117977
[14:38] <Oer> yes, nomodeset has cured before
[14:38] <BluesKaj> oh forgot no browser
[14:39] <BluesKaj> smose, irssi ?
[14:39] <smose> BluesKaj: yes =)
[14:40] <smose> Oer: this works in netroot mode
[14:40] <BluesKaj> what's the text browser ?
[14:42] <smose> no worries i got a laptop now
[14:42] <BluesKaj> lynx
[14:42] <smose> yea lynx
[14:43] <BluesKaj> try that for posted urls
[14:44] <smose> hooray!
[14:44] <smose> x started =)
[14:45] <smose> BluesKaj: i got second computer and i could open those links
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:47] <BluesKaj> I've fixed boot problems, X and graphics drivers on irssi a few times , very handy :)
[14:48] <smose> yea irssi is good =)
[14:49] <smose> now there's another problem :D
[14:49] <smose> all i can see i my bg-image
[14:50] <smose> and screen flashes, when i press button
[14:51] <smose> *yakuake-button
[14:52] <smose> actually k-button is clickable. just invisible
[14:59] <BluesKaj> smose, button ?
[15:00] <sevenseas> does someone use quassel irc here?
[15:01] <genii-around> Yup
[15:01] <James147> sevenseas: quite a few people do ^^
[15:02] <sevenseas> is it posible 2 make quassel transparant? and btw i have a bug, sometimes the text gets something that looks like a shadow that goes thru other text, when i hover over with my mouse its gone so not a big deal
[15:03] <James147> sevenseas: Kwin can make any window semi transparent ^^
[15:03] <yofel> every window has an opacity setting, you can use that to make the whole window transparent
[15:04] <James147> ^^ though I do not think quassel has an option for it
[15:04] <sevenseas> not in the costumise theme file?
[15:05] <sevenseas> qss file
[15:05] <mu3en> hello. on a similar topic, is there a way to force all windows to be "not floating" so that tiling happens by default?
[15:06] <smose> BluesKaj: yea, konsole button
[15:06] <smose> kde is still somehow broken
[15:07] <smose> or at least desktop effects
[15:07] <smose> and system settings crashes
[15:07] <James147> mu3en: System settings > window behaviour > window behaviour > advanced > check "Enable tiling"
[15:08] <smose> i'll try failsafe now
[15:08] <James147> sevenseas: there are some windowing themes that can make windows transparent
[15:08] <James147> sevenseas: so it is possible though I havent really looked at them
[15:09] <BluesKaj> smose, check you kmenu > apps>system>additional drivers , recommended driver
[15:09] <mu3en> James147, i do have that checked, and have tried with colums/spiral setting, and with various window placement (maximized, centered). with any of those all windows are still by default "floating"
[15:10] <mu3en> so i need to uncheck "floating" (or press meta-f which has the same effect) but of course i have to do that for each window since they all need to be "non floating" for the tiling to occur.
[15:10] <suad> can someone explain to me how to remove pppoe connection and put it to auto eth ?
[15:11] <James147> mu3en: hmm, thought it defaulted them to tile with that :s havent used that option in a while though
[15:11] <mu3en> James147, agree that would be the expected behaviour once 'tiling' is checked...
[15:12] <smose> BluesKaj: there's no such menu in this one =)
[15:12] <smose> BluesKaj: but it works now, reboot seemed to fix it
[15:12] <James147> mu3en: not at my kde desktop atm so I cannot really test it ^^ but what kde version are you running?
[15:13] <smose> thanks for help =)
[15:15] <mu3en> James147 4.6.4 on natty
[15:17] <mu3en> i have the same on two different machines (32 and 64bit). maybe i should try create a new user, engage tiling, and see if it works with that.
[15:18] <James147> mu3en: worth a try
[15:18] <mu3en> okay. back in five.
[15:20] <kristoff> hi !  is it possible to hide (or delete) the icon "hibernate" in the "quit" part of kickoff ?
[15:23] <James147> kristoff: try http://jhansonxi.blogspot.com/2008/01/disabling-hibernate-and-suspend-buttons.html
[15:24] <kristoff> thanks
[15:28] <suad> can someone explain to me how to remove pppoe connection and put it to auto eth ?
[15:30] <kristoff> it was not that but thanks anyway
[15:30] <mu3en> James147, yup! seems to work by default. wonder if there's an easy way to make that happen without completely rebuilding my home folder (akonadi stuff etc could be a little troublesome ish...
[15:31] <James147> mu3en: try resetting just kwin (~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc) thats most likly the problem config
[15:33] <mu3en> James147, great, i guess ic an just overwrite mine with the default created for the new user?
[15:34] <Tm_T> mu3en: you can (re)move it and new will be created
[15:35] <mu3en> okay, nice.
[15:43] <Linkmaster> Whats the best way to change an externel storage's media name? Mine currently shows up as a bunch of numbers and letters, and I'd like to change it to something more easily read
[15:44] <James147> Linkmaster: what file system does it have?
[15:44] <Linkmaster> Uhm..thats a good question
[15:44] <Linkmaster> let me find out real fast
[15:45] <xskydevilx> Does Wubi installer, when ran, automatically decide which version of Kubuntu to download (32 bit and 64 bit I mean)?
[15:48] <genii-around> xskydevilx: I believe it does, yes, unless you specify the architecture with a switch like --32bit
[15:48] <Linkmaster> James147: HPFS/NTFS
[15:49] <James147> Linkmaster: Try changing the label for the partition http://tuxecute.blogspot.com/2008/09/change-your-ntfs-windows-drive-label.html
[15:53] <mu3en> James147, Tm_T, deleting kwinrc indeed turned off the tiling, but when reenabled, all the windows are still floating by default though. so i guess the setting is somewhere else. maybe i just need to rebuild the home folder from scratch.
[15:54] <mu3en> that floating setting seems to be a little shady in general.
[15:55] <James147> mu3en: just to make sure: you are testing by opening new windows... I wouldnt expect the old ones to switch to tiling necessorly
[15:56] <mu3en> James147, i had logged out and deleted the files from tty, then logged in again. any windows seem to come up floating.
[15:57] <mu3en> enabling/disabling the tiling option doesn't necesarily seem to affect that status in real time or for new windows.
[15:58] <James147> mu3en: just had to check :)
[15:59] <mu3en> of course, otherwise it could be anything!
[15:59] <mu3en> i'm asking at #kde if anyone knows where that specific parameter is actually set
[16:00] <mu3en> i still have an irrational fear of having to rebuild my home folder from scratch.
[16:02] <James147> You shouldn't need to rebuild every thing...  at most rename .kde and then copy files/folder back over the new ones until it breaks again.
[16:03] <mu3en> something like mv ~.kde ~/.kde.old | mv /home/test/.kde ~/.kde and then go from there? nothing funky in .kde that's linked to UID i guess.
[16:05] <mu3en> there's a slash missing there, i realize...
[16:10] <GillesMM> Hi I generate my onw kubuntu CD live but I don't have install Icon idea ?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> GillesMM, are you at the kubuntu desktop ?
[16:13] <GillesMM> yes
[16:14] <GillesMM> I have generated the live cd with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[16:14] <GillesMM> I have used the kubuntu-desktop package
[16:14] <GillesMM> but it doesn't include installation program ...
[16:17] <GillesMM> perhaps te ubiquity package
[16:17] <BluesKaj> GillesMM, why didn't you just burn a regular kubuntu live cd
[16:18] <GillesMM> BluesKaj:  because I add some more program to make a digital station
[16:22] <mu3en> having looked more closely, best to try and get a specific answer on that float setting, just too many variables otherwise.
[16:22] <BluesKaj> ok GillesMM , sorry I have no idea , or experience with custom live cds
[16:24] <yofel> GillesMM: right, the installer is ubiquity, and it's not in kubuntu-desktop since it doesn't belong on installed systems
[16:26] <BluesKaj> yofel, but it's alive cd , why isn't default if ppl use the cd to install the OS
[16:26] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:26] <yofel> wait, the kubuntu-desktop package isn't what creates the CDs
[16:26] <yofel> there are seed files for that
[16:26] <yofel> though I can't remember right now where they are
[16:27] <BluesKaj> makes no sense that ubuniquity isn't default
[16:27] <BluesKaj> err ubiquity
[16:28] <mu3en> nice
[16:28] <yofel> ah, lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.oneiric
[16:29] <yofel> you'll notice that the live seed includes ubiquity
[16:30] <BluesKaj> apt-get install ubiquity-frontend-kde , that's the command while building the image I guess
[16:31] <yofel> could be, I don't know the specifics
[16:31] <BluesKaj> it's from the the tutorial GillesMM posted
[16:31] <yofel> sounds right then
[16:32] <yofel> GillesMM: ^
[16:35] <PythonSnake> HI everyone
[16:44] <PythonSnake> I get Segmentation fault when opening rekonq or Chomium
[16:44] <PythonSnake> Hi everyone
[16:44] <PythonSnake> I get Segmentation fault when opening rekonq or Chomium
[16:44] <PythonSnake> anyone know how to fix ?
[16:45] <yofel> Fixing crashes usually means filing a bug and getting it fixed by someone. But first things first..
[16:46] <yofel> when rekonq crashes you should be getting a crash notification from KDE
[16:46] <yofel> go to the Developer Information Tab, click on the install debug symbols button and then on refresh.
[16:47] <yofel> That should get you ca Stacktrace of the crash, without that we can only guess what happens
[16:47] <yofel> s/ca/a/
[16:47] <PythonSnake> yofel: ok
[16:52] <PythonSnake> no debug packages has been found for files listed, yofel
[16:53] <yofel> hm, is there any trace in the window so far?
[16:54] <PythonSnake> ?
[16:54] <PythonSnake> No debug packages could be found for the files listed below. Do you want to continue anyway?
[16:54] <yofel> well, for which files? For now continue
[16:55] <yofel> The trace will probably be incomplete, but maybe the part we need is there
[16:55] <PythonSnake> libdl.so.2 libkdeui.so.5 ld.linux.so.2 libflashplayer.so
[16:58] <yofel> libdl.so.2 is 'libc6-dbg' I think, libkdeui.so.5 is 'kdelibs5-dbg', no idea about ld.linux.so.2, flash has no debugging symbols
[17:17] <thinhhoang> hi, i'm using KDE 4.6.4, after upgrading mesa 7.10.2-ubuntu2, the 'blur' effect is too slow that it automatically suspends. can anyone help me?
[17:17] <PythonSnake> thinhhoang: Chao ban ?
[17:17] <PythonSnake> :)
[17:17] <thinhhoang> chao ban ^^
[17:17] <PythonSnake> :o
[17:18] <PythonSnake> !vn | thinhhoang
[17:18] <PythonSnake> ;)
[17:19] <PythonSnake> thinhhoang: try to disable it
[17:19] <PythonSnake> yofel: packages are taking long time to install..
[17:20] <yofel> thinhhoang: if you're having an intel card then that's known, I don't know the solution though (If there is one) :/
[17:20] <Peace-> yofel: ?
[17:20] <thinhhoang> yofel: yeah, I'm using GMA 900.
[17:20] <yofel> PythonSnake: they're pretty large, so that's no surprise
[17:20] <PythonSnake> yofel: how to remove them later ?
[17:21] <yofel> well, they should end with -dbg or -dbgsym, so remove any packages called like that
[17:21] <Peace-> thinhhoang: wha't hte problem with intel carD?
[17:21] <yofel> Peace-: <thinhhoang> hi, i'm using KDE 4.6.4, after upgrading mesa 7.10.2-ubuntu2, the 'blur' effect is too slow that it automatically suspends. can anyone help me?
[17:21] <PythonSnake> ok
[17:21] <Peace-> well
[17:21] <thinhhoang> yofel: i still don't know why it works fine on 7.9
[17:22] <Peace-> thinhhoang: have you tried with ultra unstable ppa for video drivers?
[17:22] <yofel> but right, disabling blur will help. Or switch to XRender, blur won't work there either though
[17:22] <Peace-> thinhhoang: i mean there is the latest stuff for video cards..
[17:22] <Peace-> so i could fix your problem or...
[17:22] <yofel> upgrading mesa might help too, although I don't usually recommend edgers...
[17:22] <Peace-> your X server could not start :D
[17:23] <thinhhoang> Peace-:i've tried upgrading my driver, even the unstable one.
[17:23] <thinhhoang> but that didn't work.
[17:23] <thinhhoang> everything is the same.
[17:23] <Peace-> well customizing xorg.conf ?
[17:23] <Peace-> unluckly you need a good driver
[17:24] <thinhhoang> Peace-:well, i've never tried that.
[17:24] <Peace-> if you have not :)
[17:25] <thinhhoang> Peace-:indeed. I've used Kubuntu for 2 years, but still i don't know much how to play with it.
[17:26] <Peace-> thinhhoang: well xorg.conf is automatically generated now
[17:26] <Peace-> but you can still create your own
[17:27] <thinhhoang> ok, but how?
[17:27] <thinhhoang> Peace: i've tried to locate the xorg.conf
[17:27] <thinhhoang> but it can't be found anywhere.
[17:27] <yofel> it's not there by default, but overrides the default if existing
[17:27] <Peace-> of course you can't locate
[17:27] <yofel> just create it
[17:27] <Peace-> there is not
[17:27] <Peace-> x
[17:28] <thinhhoang> then how exactly could I do that?
[17:28] <yofel> it's at /etc/X11/xorg.conf - though I personally have almost no experience in writing one
[17:29] <Peace-> mm
[17:29] <Peace-> i have my old one
[17:30] <Peace-> when the wacom was a mess :)
[17:30] <PythonSnake> How can I format this partition for reinstalling kubuntu ?
[17:30] <Peace-> PythonSnake: partitionmanager
[17:30] <Peace-> type on konsole
[17:30] <Peace-> thinhhoang: this is my old one
[17:30] <Peace-> thinhhoang: but it's a start http://nowardev.wordpress.com/about/personalstuff/
[17:31] <Peace-> thinhhoang: you need to customize it
[17:31] <thinhhoang> Peace-: thanks
[17:31] <Peace-> and remove wacom stuff that you have not
[17:31] <tsimpson> PythonSnake: you can partition in the installer, no need to do it before hand
[17:31] <Peace-> thinhhoang: what's your card?
[17:31] <thinhhoang> Peace-: An Intel GMA 900
[17:31] <PythonSnake> tsimpson: I clicked on remove but files still here
[17:31] <PythonSnake> :(
[17:31] <thinhhoang> a very old one.
[17:32] <genii-around> If you exit X to console, you can make one with: X -configure       it puts an xorg.conf in the current working directory
[17:32] <tsimpson> PythonSnake: if you have any partitions mounted on the disk, it must be done from a live environment (eg LiveCD)
[17:32] <genii-around> bleh, exit to console rather :)
[17:33] <PythonSnake> tsimpson: I did that
[17:33] <PythonSnake> tsimpson: just want to format partitions not remove them
[17:33] <PythonSnake> :|
[17:34] <thinhhoang> Peace-: I think my driver is the one cause the problem.
[17:34] <tsimpson> PythonSnake: there should be an option for that in the installer too
[17:34] <tsimpson> !format | PythonSnake, or see this
[17:34] <Peace-> thinhhoang: you need to test
[17:34] <Peace-> thinhhoang: i will create my own xorg.conf
[17:35] <thinhhoang> Peace-: ok
[17:35] <Peace-> thinhhoang: then if doens't work remove the xorg.conf and reboot
[17:35] <Peace-> thinhhoang: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=35790  for example
[17:35] <thinhhoang> Peace-: before I updated my 10.10 to 11.04, everything was fine.
[17:35] <Peace-> thinhhoang: intel 900 gma xorg.conf on google should help you
[17:36] <Peace-> thinhhoang: mm
[17:36] <Peace-> thinhhoang: so it's the driver
[17:36] <Peace-> for sure
[17:36] <thinhhoang> Peace-:huh?
[17:36] <Peace-> but maybe enabling something on xorg.conf you could
[17:36] <Peace-> fix
[17:36] <Peace-> you can't know if you don't try
[17:36] <Peace-> it's not so easy to get
[17:36] <Peace-> :)
[17:37] <Peace-> i have 945gma
[17:37] <Peace-> and .. i have not effects :D
[17:37] <Peace-> i have tested some kernels too
[17:37] <Peace-> but i have no time for this stuff :D
[17:38] <thinhhoang> yeah, probably the driver developers has forgotten our Intel cards.
[17:38] <tsimpson> my 945GM/GMS works perfectly :)
[17:38] <Peace-> tsimpson: mmm here no :D
[17:38] <yofel> I've got a 945GME, if you use xrender for rendering blur and a few other effects get disabled, but the rest will work
[17:38] <Peace-> tsimpson: i have something messed
[17:38] <Peace-> dunno :D
[17:38] <yofel> well, not you alone
[17:39] <Peace-> well i am a skydiver i have no time for pc right now  :D
[17:39] <yofel> ^^
[17:39] <tsimpson> Peace-: I removed my xorg.conf and it all just worked, though i did have to create one for dual-monitors (which does end up disabling effects)
[17:40] <thinhhoang> oxygen itself is cool
[17:40] <Peace-> tsimpson: :P i do this http://www.youtube.com/user/facebooknwd#p/u/3/rbjuANh4q5c
[17:40] <Peace-> tsimpson: actually that guy is me
[17:41] <thinhhoang> :)
[17:41] <thinhhoang> so what to do with the xorg?
[17:42] <thinhhoang> i have no exprerience with the X Window System.
[17:43] <Peace-> thinhhoang:  copy and paste the one you can see in that forum
[17:43] <Peace-> thinhhoang: try log out
[17:43] <Peace-> thinhhoang: the there is a butto to restart X
[17:43] <Peace-> there are 2
[17:44] <Peace-> one of them near password and user name
[17:44] <Peace-> i don't remember which should be
[17:44] <Peace-> anyway if doesn't work you need to remove
[17:44] <Peace-> when yoiu have removed it ==> type on konsole startx
[17:44] <dinesh_> hello i have installed docky in kubuntu 11.4.. early it was working well... some message has come like this ..Docky requires compositing to work properly. Certain options are disabled and themes/animations will look incorrect.  and started showing diffferntly please advise how to correct it
[17:45] <Peace-> and again and again
[17:45] <Peace-> untill you fix it :D
[17:45] <thinhhoang> ok, i'll give it a try right now
[17:45] <thinhhoang> see if it works.
[17:45] <Peace-> dinesh_: i would use cairo dock
[17:45] <Peace-> dinesh_: that can be loaded without 3d effects
[17:45] <dinesh_> both i have tested ..
[17:46] <dinesh_> same its showing with black back ground
[17:46] <Peace-> mm go on kde menu
[17:46] <dinesh_> ok
[17:46] <Peace-> there is cairo dock without effects
[17:46] <Peace-> cairo dock no opengl
[17:46] <Peace-> should work fine
[17:47] <Peace-> it *
[17:47] <dinesh_> but there is black back ground
[17:47] <dinesh_> if possible i can show the screen shot
[17:47] <Peace-> of course you can
[17:47] <Peace-> dinesh_: there is a widget called pastebin
[17:47] <thinhhoang> oh and by the way, when i tried to restart Kwin with the blur effect, it tells me i915_program_error: Exceeded max nr indirect texture lookups (8 out of 4).
[17:47] <dinesh_> ok
[17:47] <Peace-> you can drag and drop from ksnapshot
[17:48] <Peace-> on that widget
[17:48] <dinesh_> if i do that could you able to see the problem
[17:54] <ogzy> i am having problems on editing printers.conf file, at my web app i am trying to edit the DeviceURI part with a RPC call via Python scripts but when i restart the cups i still see the un-editied version of printers.conf, what is the reason?, using 11.04 kubuntu
[17:55] <Peace-> ogzy: guess you have edited the wrong file
[17:55] <Peace-> xD
[17:58] <thinhhoang> Peace-: well, the X crashed and I had to reset it.
[18:01] <thinhhoang> the xorg.conf can't help now.
[18:02] <Peace-> thinhhoang: so you have at least tried
[18:02] <thinhhoang> thanks, i think i'll have to wait
[18:02]  * Peace- doesn't use effects
[18:03] <thinhhoang> Peace-:oh, and GNOME3 doesn't like GMA 900 either.
[18:03] <thinhhoang> Peace-: i've never used GNOME3 continuously for 10 minutes.
[18:04] <thinhhoang> been able
[18:04] <thinhhoang> my PC freezes every time.
[18:05] <Peace-> thinhhoang: this is my destkop http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/30/plasma-desktopag1777.jpg
[18:06] <thinhhoang> Peace-:nice
[18:06] <ogzy> Peace-: np printers.conf file is the file i should edit, if i edit it manually eveything is fine, when i edited it via a script and restart the server, somehow the changes are gone
[18:07] <Peace-> ogzy: mm
[18:08] <Peace-> ogzy: sorry i dunno
[18:08] <StefanT> thinhhoang: sounds like your graphics card is overheating
[18:08] <thinhhoang> StefanT:really?
[18:08] <thinhhoang> StefanT:overheat?
[18:09] <StefanT> just a guess, to be honest
[18:10] <thinhhoang> StefanT: thanks, but the effects still work fine on MESA 7.9
[18:10] <StefanT> hmm.... ok
[18:10] <thinhhoang> StefanT: so i think there's something wrong with the MESA.
[18:10] <thinhhoang> *MESAs
[18:11] <StefanT> KDE4 with 3D effects works?
[18:12] <thinhhoang> StefanT: did work, but not anymore since I upgraded to 11.04.
[18:12] <StefanT> hmm, ok
[18:12] <yofel> something seems wrong with nattys intel driver and mesa 7.10
[18:13] <yofel> most effects work, but some like blur are so slow that they're unusable
[18:14] <thinhhoang> has anyone here tried 7.10.3?
[18:15] <yofel> hm, let me fetch my netbook
[18:15] <yofel> that is actually running oneiric
[18:16] <selvakumaran> hello there., any one can help me out to install Aptana Studio??
[18:17] <yofel> forget it, blur is still unusable with intel 2.15 and mesa 7.10.3 :(
[18:18] <thinhhoang> ohhh
[18:18] <thinhhoang> yofel:what's your card?
[18:18] <yofel> 945GME, slow card (it's an eeePC), but not *that* slow
[18:19] <thinhhoang> you mean automatically disable?
[18:19] <yofel> well, it does automatically disable it. If I disable the functionality checks blur renders at ~0.5 FPS
[18:19] <thinhhoang> oh
[18:20] <thinhhoang> thanks soo much everyone
[18:20] <thinhhoang> guess i will have to live without blur for a long time :)
[18:43] <nerd> tired
[19:14] <ogzy> anybody know how to fix the lpadmin -v bad device-uri problem for a new backend at kubuntu?, do you think dpkg-reconfigure cups will see the new backend and i will see it listes at lpinfo -v output?
[20:50] <BajK> great
[20:50] <BajK> the kubuntu guys ruined Samba in natty totally
[20:50] <BajK> and now even Sftp doesnt work anymore
[20:50] <BajK> great work, folks.
[20:50] <BajK> begin fixing your stuff (TRANSLATIOSN!!!) before messing up WORKING upstream stuff -.-
[20:53] <PythonSnake> Hi BajK
[20:53] <BajK> PythonSnake: ?
[20:54] <PythonSnake> I have a "Segmentation fault" problem when I try to open rekonq or chromium
[20:55] <PythonSnake> anyone know how to fix ?
[20:58] <BajK> oh man i JUST want to copy some files over to my pc-.-
[20:58] <BajK> even WINDOWS works fine with this
[20:58] <BajK> but no the canonical guys LOVE beta software
[20:58] <BajK> and mess it all up
[20:59] <BajK> why just LEAVE things working? no no we need stupid not working beta software all over the place
[20:59] <BajK> oh and stuff that works.. well nooo it works, that cant be! we are canonical, we have to change it, re-code it and introduce regressions and bugs, otherwise we would probably satisfy our users which is definitly not in our interest
[21:00] <valsum> BajK: why don't you have a cup of tea and realx
[21:00] <valsum> relax*
[21:00] <BajK> i WILL relax
[21:00] <BajK> once I have copied my files
[21:00] <BajK> -.-
[21:01] <valsum> from where?
[21:01] <BajK> from my notebook to my pc …
[21:01] <valsum> use a flash drive?
[21:01] <BajK> great.
[21:01] <BajK> that is definitly a great solution
[21:01] <BajK> thanks for that …
[21:02] <BajK> I would have done that
[21:02] <BajK> if it would WORK
[21:02] <BajK> but that doesnt work either
[21:02] <valsum> just want you to be able to relax
[21:02] <BajK> seems they want to push their stupid Ubuntu One cloud stuff :D and so they mess up EVERYTHING that is related to copying files over to another pc
[21:02] <BajK> to force you to use it
[21:03] <valsum> bah
[21:03] <genii-around> BajK: I understand the situation is frustrating for you. But venting in this channel doesn't help anyone.
[21:03] <BajK> it IS frustrating, especially if they sell you "Improvements" that are actually regressions
[21:04] <BajK> samba worked fine in 10.10, now they "Improved" the samba share creation dialog (file propperties tab "share") and now it doesnt work anymore
[21:04] <BajK> Use sftp? "The fingerprint has changed. youre screwed, yay!" . Use sftp from the other pc "remote hjost declined connection". Copy it over to a usb flash drive well nothing happens, the files dont arrive. …
[21:06] <genii-around> BajK: If you had begun with an actual description of your problem like: I'm getting "remote host declined connection" then someone may have been able to start helping with it, but until the last line or so we only saw your anger, etc.
[21:06] <BajK> great: zipping all my files and using a simple upload script on my apache here.
[21:06] <BajK> genii-around: you woudl definitly be angry if a feature that worked fine was "improved" although that meant it was "broken"
[21:06] <BajK> but canonical is infamous for doing such stuff :)
[21:07] <BajK> they introduce beta state software and in the over-next release, then it works
[21:07] <BajK> was the thing with PulseAudio (now I love it), is the case with Gstreamer (I hope it wil run fine in 11.10) and hopefully samba will work again in 12.04 …
[21:08] <genii-around> BajK: Between the notebook and PC, what OS are on each?
[21:08] <BajK> both Kubuntu 11.04
[21:09] <BajK> oh and dont forget about policykit, and I found UAC annoying …
[21:11] <genii-around> BajK: Do you have the error it gives if you try to use sftp ?
[21:11] <BajK> "The fingerprint has changed. This could indicate there is DNS spoofing" or something
[21:11] <BajK> instead of a "F... Y... I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING" button there is no such thing and it just doesnt let me do what I WANT. this is not windows!
[21:12] <genii-around> BajK: Basically all you need to do there is remove the old fingerprint
[21:12] <BajK> and how? where?
[21:12] <BajK> and dont tell me to use a console
[21:12] <BajK> or edit config files
[21:12] <gomiboy> lol
[21:13] <genii-around> BajK: It is in a file in your home directory of .ssh/known_hosts   ... if you're not willing to edit it then you're just going to keep getting the same message...
[21:14] <BajK> and why isnt there such thing as a GRAPHICAL frontend? or a button "yes I know, but let me do my stuff"?
[21:14] <genii-around> BajK: The message should also have given you a line or entry number
[21:14] <BajK> genii-around: it didnt. and the message was a mixture of english, German, inbetween mixes, no puncuation …
[21:14] <BajK> so ok, for this usability FAIL i will now not use sftp anymore
[21:14] <BajK> and since smb is broken as well I cannot use this anymore
[21:14] <BajK> hmm, alternatives?
[21:15] <genii-around> BajK: Alternately, just rm the file and then recreate it
[21:15] <gomiboy> pan and paper?
[21:15] <BajK> genii-around: a graphical way. like a kcm or something …
[21:15] <BajK> how should any NOVICE user know that?
[21:16] <valsum> asking
[21:16] <BajK> great.
[21:16] <BajK> and they say "linux is ready for the desktop" … ha, ha, ha, ha , haaaa
[21:17]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[21:17] <BajK> and I believed in Linux :(
[21:18] <PythonSnake> BajK: Do you like 10.04 or 11.04 more ?
[21:18] <BajK> oh and why cant I just enter sftp://bajk-desktop or SEE the other computers in the "Network" folder? hmm let me guess: ssh is totally differently implemented, does not respect the "Host name" thing I set (well, so what is it good for anyway?) and I need to edit some CONFIG FILE to tell him that the computer name is bajk-desktop and its ip (THAT CHANGES!) is whatever
[21:18] <BajK> right?
[21:19] <BajK> oh and now it says "Keine Verbindung zu Rechner Connection closed by remote host."
[21:19] <BajK> (great localization by the way)
[21:20] <nerd> tired
[21:23] <ikonia> BajK: what's the issue you're having, lets see if we can fix it for you
[21:26] <BajK> ikonia: I cannot copy files over from my notebook to my computer. it said "the fingerprint has changed" with NO apparent way to  change that/remove that/whatever. I then deleted the known hosts thing from the .svn folder like genii-around told although this is really NOT user friendly. and now I get "connection closed by remote host"
[21:26] <BajK> it worked a few hours ago jujst fine
[21:26] <BajK> and smb is also broken in 11.04 so I cannot copy it this way
[21:27] <ikonia> BajK: ok - so lets step back a little and work it through if you ahve time
[21:27] <ikonia> I've not been following the conversation, so apologies if I cover old ground
[21:28] <ikonia> BajK: can you show me the exact command you're using to connect to the host that's a problem please.
[21:30] <BajK> sftp://192.168.0.101
[21:30] <BajK> i type in
[21:30] <ikonia> BajK: ok - so that's sftp, and that's in a browser I assume ? correct
[21:30] <BajK> Dolphin
[21:30] <ikonia> close enough
[21:31] <ikonia> BajK: could you please open a terminal and do "ssh 192.168.0.101" please.
[21:31] <BajK> lol this thing is definitly playing tricks on me. I enter http://192.168.0.101:41141/uploader.php into my browser and I arrive at the NOTEBOOKS htdocs folder (which should be http://192.168.0.103:41145) DAMN
[21:31] <BajK> ikonia: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
[21:31] <Ze75> SUp all
[21:32] <ikonia> BajK: interesting.
[21:32] <ikonia> BajK: could you please pastebin the output of "ssh -vvv 192.168.101" please
[21:32] <BajK> and accessing http://192.168.0.101:41141/uploader.php from my main machine (which has the ip xx.101) then nothing happens
[21:32] <BajK> wtf!
[21:32] <ikonia> control the language please
[21:32] <ikonia> BajK: there should be nothing running on port 411141 unless you have messed with the settings
[21:32] <BajK> I configured apache to be listening on port 41141
[21:33] <ikonia> ok - so lets just focus on ssh at the moment if that's ok
[21:33] <ikonia> one thing at a time
[21:33] <BajK> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/636002
[21:34] <ikonia> BajK: interesting, is this actually a remote host, or the same host you're actually on
[21:35] <BajK> hm?
[21:35] <ikonia> BajK: are these 2 seperate physical machines ?
[21:35] <BajK> 101 is my main machine 103 is my notebook
[21:36] <ikonia> ok - one thing that springs to mind, it's unlikley but possible, is an ip conflict, that would explain what you've seen......
[21:36] <ikonia> oh
[21:36] <ikonia> I bet it's an ip conflict if his connection has just dropped
[21:37] <PythonSnake> Where can I donate to Kubuntu ?
[21:37] <PythonSnake> Where can I donate to Kubuntu ?
[21:38] <ikonia> I don't think there is a donte button, look on canonical's website
[21:38] <ikonia> BajK: I'm wondering if you've got an IP conflict, explaining why your host key has changed and your apache setup is wrong
[21:38] <PythonSnake> what is canonical ?
[21:38] <BajK> hm
[21:38] <BajK> i think I have the issue
[21:38] <ikonia> BajK: did your connection just drop on your workstation
[21:38] <BajK> yep
[21:38] <BajK> working
[21:38] <FloodBotK1> BajK: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:38] <BajK> so, I had WiFi enabled and wired ethernet plugged in and the WiFI notebook hat the same IP as my main machine
[21:38] <ikonia> explain
[21:38] <BluesKaj> ikonia, , BajK perhaps static ips in network/interfaces
[21:39] <ikonia> BajK: perfect, makes sense
[21:39] <BajK> my main machine is configured static while the notebook is dhcp only (since one day my pc wouldnt connect and then I did manually and then i did not touch that setting)
[21:39] <Pici> !canonical | PythonSnake
[21:39] <PythonSnake> oh
[21:39] <ikonia> BajK: tidy up your dhcp pool
[21:39] <BajK> (shouldnt my router ensure that ips are not given twice?)
[21:39] <ikonia> BajK: no
[21:40] <BajK> why not?
[21:40] <ikonia> BajK: dhcp is not clever, you need to blacklist static IP's from the dhcp pool
[21:40] <BajK> my main machine logs in as 101, then my notebook requests an IP, why would it give it the same ip?
[21:40] <BajK> hm kay
[21:40] <BajK> I will just switch back to DHCP :)
[21:40] <ikonia> BajK: because your static IP was not given by dhcp, so it doesn't know it's already gone
[21:40] <BajK> ikonia: it could know
[21:40] <ikonia> BajK: it couldn't
[21:40] <BajK> if the company programming the router wasnt stupid ;)
[21:40] <ikonia> BajK: how could it know ?
[21:40] <BajK> it knows that a client with the ip 101 has connected …
[21:40] <ikonia> BajK: it's nothing to do with the router, that's not how dhcp works
[21:40] <BajK> or doesnt it?
[21:41] <BajK> and because dhcp "works stupid" the router should "act stupid"? great.
[21:41] <ikonia> BajK: how would an application known that an IP is given out if it doesn't request the IP from it
[21:41] <ikonia> BajK: dhcp is fine - you've just not configured it correctly
[21:41] <BajK> ah that remembers me of that issue with the "limit the size of the .thumbnails folder" because "the spec says so, we dont do that and flood your hard drive" :D:D
[21:41] <ikonia> and don't understand how dhcp works, it's a dumb protocol on purpose
[21:41] <BluesKaj> BajK, list the static IPs in /etc/hosts.allow
[21:41] <ikonia> BluesKaj: that's nothing to do with it
[21:41] <ikonia> that's for tcp wrappers
[21:42] <BluesKaj> if he sets up staic IPs it will
[21:42] <ikonia> no it won't
[21:42] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with dhcp, it's for tcp wrappers
[21:42] <BajK> hm also a weird thing
[21:42] <ikonia> plus the router is the thing giving out IP's
[21:42] <ikonia> not the client
[21:42] <BajK> when I tried to connect when the problems started there was just a red info bnar saying "you are not to do this"
[21:42] <BajK> now I connected and kde asked "are you sure to continue"
[21:43] <BluesKaj> works on my setup, not using dhcp ..that's why the IPs should be static
[21:43] <ikonia> that part I don't know
[21:43] <BajK> hmm so thanks for all your assistance.
[21:43] <ikonia> BluesKaj: hosts.allow/hosts.deny are for tcp wrappers and will have no worth on your system apart from tcp wrapper aware applications
[21:43] <BajK> oh btw why didnt kubuntu tell me that IPs are used twice?
[21:43] <ikonia> BajK: it probably didn't know as it's on the same machine
[21:43] <BajK> Windows used to warn me if theres more then one computer using the same IP. would have saved me a lot of trouble …
[21:44] <BajK> ikonia: huh?
[21:44] <BajK> same machine?
[21:44] <ikonia> BajK: two different machines, it probably would have known, but because it's on the same machine, it can be "tricked"
[21:44] <BajK> my notebook and my main machine ARE two different machines?
[21:44] <ikonia> BajK: apologies, I thought you'd said the notebook wired and wirless had the same ip, not two different machine
[21:45] <ikonia> BajK: it should have alerted you if it was on the network long enough to work it out, do you see anything in the syslog
[21:46] <BajK> and also I didnt look at the WiFi
[21:46] <BajK> I wa slooking at the Ethernet and the notebook had 103 and the main machine 101
[21:46] <BajK> so i didnt think about that same ip issue
[21:46] <BajK> and also I did not think that the user would give the same IP twice
[21:46] <ikonia> easy to miss
[21:46] <ikonia> I only hit on it due to the apache problem you where seeing then the disconnect confirmed it to me
[21:48] <BluesKaj> hmm , interesting ikonia , because I got the hosts.allow suggestred setup from a tutorial on using static IPs without dhcp. And you say that those settings are only used by apps that need network access
[21:48] <ikonia> BluesKaj: they are only used by applications that are tcp wrapper aware
[21:48] <ikonia> BluesKaj: there is a lot of duff information in duff tutorials on the net
[21:49] <BluesKaj> ikonia, obviously
[21:49] <ikonia> BluesKaj: if you have time, google tcpd and tcp_wrappers (tcp wrappers) for a little more info
[21:49] <ikonia> (and if you're interested)
[21:50] <gomiboy> BluesKaj: maybe you mean /etc/hosts, that has to do with a no-dhcp configuration
[21:50] <ikonia> not really
[21:50] <ikonia> it doens't it's just a host to IP mapping, it doesn't have anything to do with dhcp or static IP's
[21:51] <ikonia> think of it as a local resolver
[21:51] <gomiboy> ikonia: you are obviously right, my dnsmasq confounds me :P
[21:59] <BluesKaj> gomiboy, gomiboy , I have /etc/hosts IP configured with local host and gateway with dnsmasq and resolv.conf
[22:00] <BluesKaj> oops , I repeat again , but anyway ..that's my setup
[22:03] <BluesKaj> so ikonia my hosts.allow Ip list only works with NFS and the like ?
[22:05] <ikonia> BluesKaj: NFS is tcpd aware, so yes
[22:06] <BluesKaj> right
[22:06] <giulia> non istallo driver stampante brother su kubuntu 11.04
[22:07] <giulia> chat in italiano???
[22:07] <BluesKaj> !it
[22:08] <giulia> aiutoooooooooo
[22:11] <BluesKaj> giulia, scrivi  /join #ubuntu-it
[22:21]  * BluesKaj recalls why /etc/hosts.allow came to mind ...was during ssh setup , shortly after static IP was setup... too many settings confuse me sometimes
[22:22] <BluesKaj> time to take a break
[23:24] <PythonSnake> HI
[23:24] <PythonSnake> Hi*
[23:24] <PythonSnake> I've finally resolved my problem
[23:24] <PythonSnake> :)
[23:48] <sea4ever> Hey all. Is anyone aware that the package Clisp is one version out of date? and that it's been that way for close to 11 months now?
[23:48] <sea4ever> I dunno, is there a package maintainer in here? How does one poke the maintainer and let him know about this?
[23:49] <Frank____> hello?
[23:50] <Frank____> someone there?
[23:50] <Frank____> nee dus
[23:50] <Frank____> fuck
[23:50] <Ddpbf> Frank____: do not swear
[23:50] <PythonSnake> hi
[23:50] <Ddpbf> PythonSnake: hi
[23:51] <PythonSnake> I've finally resolved my problem
[23:51] <Ddpbf> sea4ever: in *buntu there is no updates to newer versions
[23:51] <PythonSnake> :)
[23:51] <Ddpbf> PythonSnake: congratulations
[23:51] <PythonSnake> Ddpbf: thanks
[23:52] <Ddpbf> sea4ever: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#Updating programs
[23:53] <Ddpbf> try some rolling release distro if you don't like it
[23:53] <Ddpbf> :)
[23:53] <Ddpbf> or search ppas
[23:53] <sea4ever> Oh, that's interesting. Ddpbf: I never knew it was security-fixes only. That's useful knowledge there. Ok thanks.
[23:53] <Ddpbf> yes it is how Debian works
[23:54] <James147> sea4ever: ^^ at most packages should be 6 mounths out of date though... if you stay on the latest version
[23:55] <sea4ever> Hmm..what's the latest version of *buntu?
[23:55] <James147> 11.04
[23:55] <sea4ever> I'll just upgrade now then. I'd like to get the latest version of GCC as well.
[23:56] <Ddpbf> sea4ever: lsb_release -a
[23:56] <Ddpbf> to find out wich buntu yo do use
[23:56] <sea4ever> Ah, I'm using 11.04 already..hmm
[23:57] <PythonSnake> what's the latest version of KDE ?
[23:57] <James147> 4.6.something... 4.7 is due at the end of july though
[23:57] <Ddpbf> stable or development?
[23:57] <Ddpbf> latest stable is 4.6.4
[23:58] <Ddpbf> development is 4.6.90 aka 4.7 rc1
[23:58]  * Ddpbf is KDE translator :>
[23:58] <PythonSnake> How to update to 4.6.4 ?
[23:58] <sea4ever> I'll compile the new clisp myself. As another question, Tomorrow is my last day working here, and I'll be pretty bored for the next <unknown time period>. If I wanted to contribute some code to KDE who would I speak to?
[23:58] <James147> PythonSnake: what version are you on?
[23:58] <Ddpbf> PythonSnake: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-464
[23:58] <PythonSnake> 4.6.2
[23:59] <James147> sea4ever: http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute   or join #kubuntu-devel