[00:28] <yesitisjustme> can i use lubuntu with 256mb ram?
[00:40] <KM0201> head_victim: u around?
[02:07] <Unit193> KM0201: It's not exactly that as easy as it should be, but GDM does work out of the box (Would work better with a theme...)
[02:07] <KM0201> Unit193: well,  i got no joy out of it and gave up.. honestly, this should be an issue easily addressed by lxdm if you ask me.
[02:08] <KM0201> you could make one theme, where you type usernames, and the other where you "choose" a username.. then be able to choose which one or the other
[02:08] <Unit193> KM0201: May as well install xubuntu-gdm-theme with it to make it work better :P
[02:09] <Unit193> That would be very hard to do
[02:09] <KM0201> why?.. ubuntu does it, xubuntu does, and i think kubuntu does as well.
[02:09] <KM0201> !info slip
[02:10] <Unit193> Doing it with LXDM would require some major code writeup (AFAIK)
[02:10] <KM0201> hmm, well, that wouldn't really be worth it. then
[02:11] <KM0201> there was a program i tried the other day, but it caused serious issues, and i ended up just reinstalling cuz uninstalling it was problematic (got it from a PPA..)
[03:14] <head_victim> KM0201: am now
[03:15] <KM0201> head_victim: i found what i was looking for.. i was trying to find that link you gave me to download 11.10
[03:15] <head_victim> Ah ok sorry, just woke up
[03:16] <KM0201> oh it's ok.
[03:16] <KM0201> i trackedi t down eventually by goin back through my log
[03:54] <yesitisjustme> is mobile broadband working on lubuntu?
[04:00] <KM0201> yesitisjustme: why wouldn't it be?
[04:01] <KM0201> does it work in Ubuntu
[04:01] <KM0201> ?
[04:07] <yesitisjustme> just asking to be sure before download
[04:07] <yesitisjustme> i think a early version of ubuntu wireless was not working thats why
[04:08] <KM0201> it all depends on your device, and whether ubuntu supports it
[04:08] <KM0201> if ubuntu supports it, then Lubuntu supports it, as Lubuntu, basically using the same networking program that Ubuntu does
[04:08] <yesitisjustme> but other versions of ubuntu detected the wireless but a particular version did not forgot what version it was
[04:10] <KM0201> no
[04:10] <KM0201> if they were all the same "version".. ie, 9.04, 9.10, 10.04... they all have the same kernel, so they will all detect hardware the same way
[04:11] <KM0201> now if you're talking about.. 8.04 didn't detect it, and 9.04 did... (or something like that) then that is possible
[04:12] <yesitisjustme> yes the same version on ubuntu and kubuntu ect i think all had same problem it was only a certain version
[04:12] <KM0201> ok... thats possible.
[04:13] <KM0201> when you say "version".. do you mean "release".. (9.04, 9.10, 10.04) or "version" (ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, etc..)
[04:13] <yesitisjustme> i mean release like like 9.04, 9.10. 10.04 ect,
[04:14] <KM0201> just trying understand.. and yeah, if one "release" had the problem, then they will all have it.. but if it works on one release, it should work on all the versions... it might configure a little differently w/ the different GUI tools, but it should work fine.
[04:16] <yesitisjustme> lubuntu has the network manager by default?
[04:17] <KM0201> yesitisjustme: of course it does.
[04:17] <KM0201> has the same network manager as Gnome, if i recall.
[04:17] <yesitisjustme> ok
[04:19] <yesitisjustme> and is not using firefox is using chromium or wich browser is lubuntu using now?
[04:22] <KM0201> yesitisjustme: yes, it's using chromium.
[04:22] <KM0201> but you can install firefox if you want it.
[04:22] <yesitisjustme> ok
[05:09] <lubuntuinternet> hey
[05:10] <KM0201> hey's for horses, grass is cheaper.. :)
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> i just installed Lubuntu for the first time, and the internet worked without a problem on the first load right after the installation, but the internet conenction stoped working after i rebooted
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> i tried playing around with settings but there seems to be no "connect" button
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> just add or remove networks buttons
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> ...?
[05:11] <lubuntuinternet> ;[
[05:14] <KM0201> wireless, wired?
[05:14] <lubuntuinternet> wired
[05:14] <lubuntuinternet> desktop computer
[05:15] <KM0201> hmm.
[05:20] <KM0201> right click your networking applet, edit connections, highlight auto eth0, and make sure "available to all users, an "connect automatically" are checked
[05:23] <KM0201> lubuntuinternet: ?
[05:26] <lubuntuinternet> yeah i tried that and it never worked
[05:26] <lubuntuinternet> then i decided to install all the updates from the "update manager" from when the internet was working
[05:27] <lubuntuinternet> and the "auto eth0" option dissapered as well
[05:27] <lubuntuinternet> after the updaters
[05:27] <lubuntuinternet> updates
[05:27] <KM0201> hmm, that is strange
[05:28] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, open terminal and say: ifconfig
[05:28] <bioterror> can you see eth0 there?
[05:28] <KM0201> i was just gonna say try ifup eth0
[05:29] <lubuntuinternet> nope
[05:29] <bioterror> not good
[05:29] <bioterror> when you boot
[05:29] <bioterror> do you get that menu?
[05:29] <bioterror> GRUB Menu?
[05:31] <lubuntuinternet> no
[05:32] <KM0201> ..
[05:32] <bioterror> gotta check my wife's laptop :D
[05:32] <KM0201> so you're not getting a grub menu?... how are you booting to Lubuntu then?
[05:32] <lubuntuinternet> i dunno
[05:32] <lubuntuinternet> it jsut did
[05:32] <bioterror> KM0201, becouse it's hidden
[05:32] <lubuntuinternet> ;]
[05:32] <bioterror> you have to press shift or esc on boot to get it shown
[05:32] <KM0201> ah, good point.
[05:33] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, in terminal: ls /boot
[05:33] <bioterror> vmlinuz-2.6.38-10-generic
[05:33] <KM0201> i didn't realize he was on a single boot machine, eh's here, so i figured he was dual booting
[05:33] <bioterror> how many vmlinuz -files you have there+
[05:34] <lubuntuinternet> nah i
[05:34] <lubuntuinternet> m using another computer for this chat
[05:34] <lubuntuinternet> bioterror: 1
[05:34] <bioterror> okay, someone said autoremove or :---)
[05:35] <lubuntuinternet> hey auto eht0 just showed back up
[05:35] <lubuntuinternet> as one of the options
[05:36] <KM0201> ..
[05:36] <lubuntuinternet> but it still doesn't work
[05:36] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, in terminal: lspci |grep Ether
[05:36] <bioterror> does it reply you something?
[05:37]  * KM0201 thinks you missed a space in there
[05:37] <KM0201> hmm, guess that space isn't required.
[05:37] <KM0201> i'll be
[05:37] <bioterror> KM0201, what are you talking about?
[05:38] <KM0201> nothing
[05:38] <KM0201> i thouht a space was required after |
[05:38] <KM0201> i see it works either way
[05:39] <lubuntuinternet> 00:12 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX [Linksys Ether Fast 10/100 (rev 25)
[05:39] <lubuntuinternet> was what came up
[05:39] <bioterror> niiiice
[05:39] <bioterror> it is shown but does not work
[05:39] <lubuntuinternet> but it work right after the install
[05:39] <lubuntuinternet> adn stopped after reboot
[05:43] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, what kind of hardware you have? you seem to have laptop?
[05:44] <bioterror> what's the brand?
[05:44] <lubuntuinternet> its a desktop
[05:45] <lubuntuinternet> obsolete brand
[05:45] <lubuntuinternet> Micron PC
[05:45] <lubuntuinternet> ;p
[05:45] <lubuntuinternet> from 2000
[05:45] <bioterror> okay
[05:45] <bioterror> can you check BIOS
[05:45] <bioterror> if there's OS=Something
[05:47] <KM0201> hmm
[05:48] <lubuntuinternet> cant find it
[05:55] <bioterror> lubuntuinternet, sudo modprobe tulip
[05:56] <bioterror> can you now see it when using ifconfig ?
[06:01] <lubuntuinternet> no
[06:02] <lubuntuinternet> and now i lost the auto eth0 option again with this reboot
[06:03] <lubuntuinternet> ...i think i'll just do a c:format and do a fresh install
[06:03] <bioterror> I think it wont help, but why not
[06:03] <lubuntuinternet> and just never reboot or shut down
[06:04] <bioterror> :D
[06:04] <lubuntuinternet> thanks for the help
[06:06] <bioterror> or try another distro
[06:06] <bioterror> fedora or suse
[06:06] <bioterror> ;)
[06:06] <KM0201> if you get no joy from Ubuntu, Fedora is your best bet, IMO.
[06:07] <KM0201> strange, the problem he's having though
[07:13] <john_rambo> Is there a GUI for searching files in lubuntu ?
[07:13] <KM0201> !info catfish
[07:13] <KM0201> if ther'es not, there's one you can install
[07:14] <john_rambo> KM0201, installing catfish ......
[07:17] <john_rambo> KM0201, Worked ....Thanks
[07:17] <KM0201> np.. :)
[07:17] <KM0201> john_rambo: there's another one called "Beagle" i do believe
[07:27] <bioterror> those are indexed searches
[07:27] <bioterror> lurks what files has inside them
[08:37] <john_rambo> needed a graphical diskspace monitor ...installed conky ....but it doesn't start >> http://pastebin.com/fg9naeFM
[08:38] <john_rambo> any alternate solution will do
[08:44] <stlsaint> john_rambo: i use disk usage analyzer
[08:45] <john_rambo> stlsaint, Is it installed in Lubuntu by default ? If not what is the name of the package ?
[08:48] <stlsaint> john_rambo: oh sorry, i would have to boot back into lubuntu to tell you, there are many if you jsut wanted to view them within the repository
[08:49] <john_rambo> stlsaint, no stop]
[08:49] <john_rambo> stlsaint, found it "baobab
[08:49] <john_rambo> "
[08:50] <stlsaint> john_rambo: ah yes i have that
[08:52] <john_rambo> stlsaint,  Thanks / Bye
[09:19] <phil_> Hey all. Any one alive in here? :P
[13:27] <thinkstu> Salam everyone
[13:28] <thinkstu> I want to use a light ubuntu version, I found Lubuntu and Xubuntu - I'm not sure what's the different can anyone explain please ?
[13:29] <thinkstu> anyone there ?
[13:46] <phillw> thinkstu: lubuntu is less resource hungry than xubuntu
[13:48] <phillw> xubuntu is based on the xcfe desktop system and comes with different applications to lubuntu which uses the lxde desktop.
[15:08] <dholbach> hello
[15:09] <dholbach> who would be interested in giving a talk about Lubuntu at Ubuntu Developer Week?
[15:09] <dholbach> we still have one slot open and it'd be great to hear more about how things are going and how people can help out
[15:26] <phillw> dholbach: Yes, I'd be up for that.
[15:26] <dholbach> phillw: awesome!
[15:26] <phillw> I am assuming it is on-line discussion!
[15:27] <dholbach> phillw: can you PM me your email address - I'd CC you into a conversation I started with gilir and jmarsden, so you can coordinate together
[15:27] <dholbach> yes, it'd be a one-hour IRC session where you present and probably get a number of questions from the audience :)
[15:27] <phillw> dholbach: my email address is not a secret! phillw@ubuntu.com
[15:27] <dholbach> you are a rock star
[15:27] <phillw> similar to a classroom session, I'll try to turn up on time!
[15:28] <dholbach> would Fri 15th Jul, 19:00 UTC generally work out for you?
[15:28] <dholbach> yes, it'd be in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:28] <phillw> that would be fine.
[15:28] <dholbach> awesome
[15:28] <dholbach> I'll pencil you in and CC you into the conversation
[15:28] <dholbach> man, you make me very happy
[15:28] <dholbach> awesome!
[15:28] <phillw> good, the alpha2 will have been out for a week by then for 11-10
[15:29] <bioterror> 11.10 ;)
[15:29] <phillw> bioterror: except via the usa system, where it would be 10.11 :P
[15:29] <dholbach> but it'll still be a good time for people to get involved and probably fix a few bugs :)
[15:30] <phillw> dholbach: we are hoping for more good news by then, but have to wait for the announcement
[15:30] <dholbach> excellent
[16:32] <beetlejooz> what is the default login for the live cd install? I did the install and now it's prompting me to login but I didn't set those credentials during the install
[16:33] <beetlejooz> I've tried ubuntu:ubuntu, lubuntu:lubuntu, blank:blank: lubuntu:blank, ubuntu:blank...nothing works
[16:34] <beetlejooz> anyone know?
[16:35] <bioterror> you've specified user and password during installation
[16:35] <beetlejooz> no
[16:35] <beetlejooz> it didn't ask me
[16:35] <bioterror> it's impossible to continue without those steps
[16:35] <beetlejooz> it must be possible because i did it
[16:36] <beetlejooz> run the install from the desktop icon
[16:36] <beetlejooz> never asked me for a pw
[16:36] <beetlejooz> or user
[16:36] <bioterror> it asks for a computers name, your name
[16:36] <beetlejooz> it didn't
[16:36] <beetlejooz> ask me
[16:36] <beetlejooz> for
[16:36] <beetlejooz> squat
[16:36] <beetlejooz> lol
[17:07] <kaipanoi_> Just wanted to say thanks. Lubuntu is a welcome respite to the insanity that is Unity, Gnome 3 & KDE 4. I feel like a real Linux user again.
[17:11] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: yup, i'm head over heels for lxde... and i was a gnome slut for a long time.. Unity never really tripped my trigger, I hate any version of KDE, and i've used Gnome 3 on Suse, an am not that impressed.
[17:12] <KM0201> xfce still has that aura of simplicity, but it has gradually been getting very bloated over the last few releases... I hope lxde never takes that path, but there's a few "extras" i'd like to see in Lubuntu.
[17:13] <phillw> KM0201: provided they take up no disk space, or RAM / CPU when running we are always open to new programmes (You have NO idea how close to the truth that is!)
[17:14] <kaipanoi_> KM0201: I agree. XFCE tries to strike a balance, but I think they miss on a lot of stuff. Maybe it's just the Ubuntu packaging of XFCE, I don't know.
[17:14] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: i've noticed it on other xfce releases as well (Fedora, and a couple others)
[17:15] <kaipanoi_> Ah.
[17:15] <kaipanoi_> What do you guys use to edit the keyboard shortcuts in OB? XML in nano gets old...
[17:17] <KM0201> phillw: mainly relating to the login screen.. i'd like an option to "click" a user, then enter a password, rather than always having to type a username
[17:18] <KM0201> i tried some of the other options Unit193 mentinoed yesterday, but they ended up causing several issues, so i had to remove them.
[17:20] <KM0201> brb
[17:20] <kaipanoi_> have a look at /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[17:20] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: ok, brb... then we might discuss it.
[17:22] <KM0201> ok, back
[17:22] <KM0201> gonna put lubuntu in vbox so i can try some of these other options w/o to much headache
[17:24] <kaipanoi_> good idea
[17:24] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: yah, i nearly bricked my install yesterday trying gdm... had to boot recovery mode to get it completely removed and get back to a useable lxde desktop
[17:25] <kaipanoi_> really? I wouldn't imagine it would be that annoying
[17:25] <KM0201> but anyway.. you know how w/ the Ubuntu (and for that matter, Xubuntu, adn to my knowledge, Kubuntu)... the login window, you can click the user names, rather than type them.
[17:25] <kaipanoi_> yes
[17:25] <kaipanoi_> (a small security risk, if you ask me ;) )
[17:26] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: oh it was crazy... i installed it, and it all went well, then the first time i logged in, it worked, then immediately logged me out, then after that, it just put me on a loop, i'd log in, then it would just take me right back to the login screen
[17:26] <kaipanoi_> Guessing passwords is only half as difficult as guessing username/password pairs ;)
[17:26] <KM0201> yeah, i know.. but.. seriously, my parents.. they can't remember crap like this.
[17:26] <kaipanoi_> weird. I'll avoid that then
[17:26] <KM0201> yeah, it was all sorts of fun
[17:27] <kaipanoi_> I think you can pick a different theme and change the conf file http://askubuntu.com/questions/39613/how-to-enable-user-list-in-lxdm-login-manager
[17:27] <kaipanoi_> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1953
[17:27] <KM0201> if thats possible, you'll be my best friend
[17:27] <KM0201> lemme take a gander
[17:29] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: oh wait, i did try that.
[17:29] <kaipanoi_> what theme did you install after changing the configuration file?
[17:29] <KM0201> oh i never installed a theme, i guess that would help
[17:30] <kaipanoi_> I don't seem them on http://box-look.org/
[17:31] <KM0201> yeah, i don't wana change my whole theme, just the login window
[17:31] <kaipanoi_> Right
[17:32] <kaipanoi_> Proof it's doable: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/File:LXDM.png
[17:32] <KM0201> yeah
[17:32] <KM0201> Unit193: actually told me how to do that yesterday, and it didn't work out all that well either
[17:33] <kaipanoi_> subscribe? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/666590
[17:33] <KM0201> k
[17:34] <KM0201> least i know i'm not the only one interested in that
[17:38] <kaipanoi_> I found the themes location /usr/share/lxdm/themes/
[17:39] <kaipanoi_> my /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf has "theme=Industrial" by default
[17:40] <KM0201> hmm
[17:41] <KM0201> i don't know a lot about themeing... i could theme Gnome pretty well, but never really tried w/ lxde
[17:41] <KM0201> i just got good at editing the menus/icons w/ the .desktop files.
[17:46] <KM0201> hmm, lubuntu won't boot in vbox for some reason
[17:51] <KM0201> i guess i can try a mini-iso then put lubuntu on top of that
[17:52] <KM0201> that'll let me safely try to figure this out w/ causing a mess again..lol
[17:58] <KM0201> you know one other minor theming issue i'd like to see phillw
[17:58] <KM0201> i don't think this is a "theme" issue though.
[17:58] <KM0201> its a configuration of lxde
[18:00] <KM0201> you know how on the panel, you can have the "desktop pager"...  on Gnome, Xfce, and i'm assuming KDE... you can set how this displas your workspaces, for instance, 2x2, 3x3, etc.. rather than if you have 4 work spaces, it will display them all in one row, taking up half the panel.
[18:16] <kaipanoi_> Yeah, the pager only supports one "row" of vDesktops
[18:17] <kaipanoi_> at 1920x1200, I never need more than 2 or 3 though ;)
[18:18] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: lol, my desktop its no big deal, as it has dual 19in screens
[18:18] <bioterror> I need 2 on laptop and 4 on desktop
[18:18] <KM0201> my laptop w/ a 15in screen.. i need 2, my netbook, i need 4
[18:18] <KM0201> it's not to bad though, i've gotten kinda used to middle clicking to navigate among my works paces.. but i wish the desktop pager had that option.
[18:19] <kaipanoi_> careful what you wish for. avoiding feature bloat is what brought us to LXDE to begin with ;)
[18:19] <kaipanoi_> do you remember LXDE in 10.04? yeesh...
[18:20] <kaipanoi_> it didn't handle corners as well
[18:20] <kaipanoi_> the menu button was a few pixels away from the bottom left corner. same for the close button on the top right corner in a maximized window
[18:20] <KM0201> kaipanoi_: never used it in 10.04
[18:20] <KM0201> only started using 11.04 when Gnome was switched out for Unity, and after trying Gnome 3, i don't have high hopes for it either.. decided it was time tos tart looking for alternatives
[18:21] <KM0201> i'm not much of a procrastinator when i know change is coming
[18:23] <AmberJ> Hello
[18:24] <KM0201> o/
[18:24] <AmberJ> phillw, there?
[21:24] <owneroperator> Anyone know how to contact  Chris Druif?  On https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels
[21:25] <owneroperator> There is an typo in the script for Remove Old Kernels.  dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2
[21:26] <Unit193> You can fix it, it's a wiki after all (As long as you KNOW what you're doing)
[21:28] <owneroperator> Should read: dpkg -l | grep linux-image-2  (<1>) and lower case <l > are easily confused)
[21:29] <owneroperator> O'm learning.  I did change the line in the terminal and it worked.
[21:30] <owneroperator> so, thanx and it is a nice day.
[22:02] <Phosphenes> What would be the equivalent of a .bat file for linux?
[22:03] <phillw> .sh
[22:03] <Phosphenes> Thanks
[22:03] <Phosphenes> You may have my firstborn child.
[22:04] <Unit193> You save your firstborn for something REALLY big...
[22:05] <elros> like what is the equivalent of 'dir' in linux
[22:05] <Phosphenes> lol
[22:05] <Phosphenes> I don't even know what dir is... O.o
[22:06] <Unit193> elros: ls -a -R
[22:06] <Unit193> ;)
[22:06] <elros> o/ high five
[22:07] <Unit193> \o but ls / -a -R  might be more fun...
[22:07] <phillw> Phosphenes: have a read through http://ubuntu-manual.org/download/10.04e2/en_US/screen It is free to download and has been written by the guys who are involved in support.
[22:08] <Phosphenes> Cool thanks.
[22:09] <Phosphenes> I don't imagine things would have changed so drastically as to make this invalid for 11.04..?
[22:10] <kaipanoi_> make *what* invalid
[22:10] <Phosphenes> This manual for 10.04
[22:12] <elros> it seems to be on a very general level, so I'd say it's not obsolete for 11.04
[22:12] <Phosphenes> Didn't think so.
[22:12] <elros> the biggest difference is gnome 2.30 vs unity
[22:14] <Phosphenes> Is unity replacing gnome in ubuntu?
[22:15] <elros> unity is the netbook interface fitted to desktop in regular ubuntu, default in 11.04
[22:15] <KM0201> Phosphenes: pretty sure.
[22:16] <KM0201> elros: yes, but Unity is going to be default from here on out... netbook or not
[22:16] <elros> if you use lxde / lubuntu, there are no big changes
[22:16] <elros> well see, maybe gnome 3.2 / 3.4 will be default in 12.04
[22:16] <KM0201> elros: i doubt it... if that were the case, they'd just held off on switching from gnome 2.x
[22:17] <KM0201> to put all this work into unity, only to turn back to gnome, would be crazy
[22:18] <Phosphenes> Is there a huge difference between them?
[22:20] <KM0201> between what?
[22:20] <KM0201> unity and gnome 3?  yes
[22:28] <kylpo> Openbox is my main reason for using Lubuntu
[22:28] <kylpo> soo much better, imo, than unity or gnome 3
[22:30] <KM0201> gnome 3 isn't bad, really unity isn't to bad either (yeah it has some bugs, but they'll get those worked out).... both are only good if you have the hardware to run them and not get bogged down
[22:30] <KM0201> my PC, can run them, but my laptop canot, and i've gotten totally hooked on lxde, so i'll be using it on my PC also.
[22:30] <kylpo> Openbox + kupfer > all else :P
[22:32] <KM0201> well, i don't know what kupfer is..lol
[22:32] <KM0201> so i'll just say Openbox > all else
[22:33] <kylpo> KM0201: Ooh! Try it out! It's a fast, keyboard driven app launcher
[22:33] <kylpo> It's a bit like what unity has introduced, but without the latency, and has more plugins available.
[22:34] <KM0201> kylpo: meh.. doesnt sound like something useful tom e
[22:34] <kylpo> KM0201: What's our current way of launching apps?
[22:35] <KM0201> kylpo: menu, common apps (xchat, pidgin, chrome, skype, etc..) i have linked in the panel
[22:37] <kylpo> KM0201: I think you might enjoy a launcher. Launching Chrome, for instance, I type 'Super + Space, "ch", enter'
[22:37] <KM0201> kylpo: i just click an icon in my panel
[22:37] <KM0201> :)
[22:38] <kylpo> KM0201: It has auto completion based on usage
[22:38] <KM0201> i've found when i set up keyboard shortcuts, i never use them, so it's pointless to set them up.
[22:39] <kylpo> KM0201: Sure, whatever works for you :)
[22:40] <KM0201> see, if i was using Gatesian software, they would say "Here, this works best for you"
[22:40] <KM0201> :)