[00:00]  * holstein flashes some sort of gnome gang sign at kristian-aalborg 
[00:01]  * charlie-tca uses xfce4-panel
[00:02]  * charlie-tca uses Xubuntu, too
[00:02] <holstein> i am looking forward to transitioning over to XFCE :)
[00:02] <kristian-aalborg> don't take this the wrong way, but XFCE looks very blocky?
[00:02] <froq> holstein, what made you decide to do that?!
[00:03] <charlie-tca> I don't know what that means... blocky?
[00:03] <holstein> nothing really *made* me
[00:03] <froq> charlie-tca, rought around the edges.
[00:03] <holstein> unity and gnome 3 are not my thing
[00:03] <froq> holstein, i agree dude!  I agree....  I am bummed that is the future, I downgraded to 10.04
[00:04] <froq> any of you guys using flexraid!?
[00:04] <holstein> eh... its linux, we always have options
[00:10] <kristian-aalborg> charlie-tca, made out of Duplo bricks?
[00:10] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[00:11] <charlie-tca> I was thinking shapes that fit the monitor ;)
[00:11] <holstein> i dont find the look/feel much unlike gnome2
[00:15] <charlie-tca> I probably haven't run gnome in too long
[00:15] <charlie-tca> Just testing images doesn't give much feel for it
[00:16] <froq> charlie-tca, what do you run?!
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu with Xfce
[00:17] <froq> oo so you have been using Xfce for some time now! :) lol
[00:17] <pleia2> xfce is beautiful
[00:17] <charlie-tca> Since about 2006?
[00:17] <charlie-tca> 6.06 was the first time it came out, and I never looked back at gnome
[00:18] <pleia2> froq: http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/xubuntu08.png
[00:18] <pleia2> it's pretty :)
[00:19]  * pleia2 started using it in 2004
[00:20] <froq> pleia2, looks nice! so you use xubuntu too?!  nice... so can I d/l the xubuntu-desktop?!  via like sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[00:20] <charlie-tca> certainly
[00:22] <froq> 2 minutes & I got it! :)
[00:23] <froq> what terminal command will tell if I install 32 or 64 bit?
[00:23] <charlie-tca> You can now choose Xubuntu session or unity session at login
[00:23] <froq> charlie-tca, you got a desktop screenshot?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> froq: http://imagebin.org/160658
[00:26] <charlie-tca> I keep workspaces in the bottom, since I run 10 of them
[00:26] <charlie-tca> They would fill the top panel, so I moved it
[00:26] <froq> i don't see any work spaces in the photo?  so does it auto hide>
[00:26] <charlie-tca> oh, and I run Oneiric
[00:27] <charlie-tca> yes, it is a auto-hidden panel, with launchers on the left and workspaces on the right
[00:27] <charlie-tca> let me shoot it
[00:28] <froq> kkk
[00:28] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/160659
[00:29] <charlie-tca> I am running weechat, since I often use dasher, and it works better than xchat with dasher
[00:29] <froq> charlie-tca, cool
[00:29] <charlie-tca> The clocks across the top are orage global clock, which is part of Xfce too
[00:30] <froq> dasher?!  gotta look @ it
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Dasher is an application to type without a keyboard
[00:30] <charlie-tca> In Xubuntu, you do have to run at-spi-registryd first, then start dasher
[01:04] <kristian-aalborg> did anyone get quingy running?
[01:07] <Sekm> how can i change the password of a user if i forgot it?
[01:08] <holstein> passwd is the command... you can run that as the user
[01:08] <holstein> or, you can do it in the GUI
[01:08] <Sekm> i forgot the user password... therfore i cannot login as the user
[01:09] <charlie-tca> Sekm: use the recovery menu from grub, you can go to a root prompt and fix it
[01:11] <holstein> this looks pretty much like it
[01:11] <holstein> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubuntu-password-in-2-minutes-or-less/
[01:14] <Sekm> its just my mysql account, i have root etc
[01:15] <holstein> Sekm: SO you need to recover a lost mysql password ??
[01:16] <Sekm> ya
[01:17] <holstein> i dont know much about mysql, but see if this looks right http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html
[01:57] <froq> so I checked out xubuntu... I think I prefer gnome 2.0
[01:59] <froq> charlie-tca, I just wanted to pass that on to you.  There was a lot about it I liked, however I gnome is just closer to heart. lol :)
[02:15] <holstein> froq: lol
[02:15] <holstein> where are you going to get it?
[02:16]  * holstein looks for froqbuntu :)
[02:19] <froq> holstein, if I ever become a genious (HIGHLY unlikely) I will develop a froqbuntu! :D
[02:20] <holstein> you got about 4 more months to like gnome2
[02:21] <froq> holstein, yeah, I am really just anxious for 11.10... hopefully they will get it a slight bit more finetuned.
[02:22] <froq> brb, gotta log out, & back in.
[02:22] <Zaragon> hi all....my first ubuntu computer....my new wireless adapter has no linux drivers available...Linksys ae1000...what adapters work with ubuntu?
[02:24] <holstein> well, assuming there really are *no* drivers available, then you'd need to try the windows drivers with ndiswrapper
[02:25] <holstein> Zaragon: if you are not wired up to internet, wire it up, and look at the 'additional software' for available restricted drivers
[02:26] <Zaragon> guess I'll have to lug new box into the office and set up a ethernet connection...what is ndiswrapper?
[02:27] <holstein> this looks promising
[02:27] <holstein> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=244215
[02:28] <holstein> Zaragon: ndiswrapper is a way to utilize windows wifi device drivers in linux
[02:28] <holstein> there is a gui for it
[02:28] <holstein> ndisgtk
[02:28] <Zaragon> available in downloads?
[02:28] <holstein> you can run... sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[02:29] <holstein> and run it from the command line, or look for 'windows wireless drivers' in the menu
[02:29] <holstein> but, take a look at that link at the fedora forums
[02:29] <holstein> that seems to reference a linux driver for your device
[02:33] <froq> hey all, after i downloaded xubuntu to try it out, I then removed it, however I am still getting residual effects, such as my mouse cursor is all wrong.  anyone know how to get ride of the remaining xfce stuff?
[02:33] <Zaragon> I appreciate the advice, holstein...I'll check on it.  thanks
[02:33] <holstein> Zaragon: i have the best luck with the windows xp drivers
[02:34] <holstein> froq: i would just look in 'appearance' and reapply the theme
[02:35] <Zaragon> I'm a total noob when it comes to linux.....You have given me a direct to blunder toward...that's a good start
[02:35] <holstein> we'll be here, and ready to help :)
[02:36] <holstein> Zaragon: looks like you can get it working though
[02:36] <holstein> its a lot easier to work on linux (i find) when you can be online in some capacity
[02:37] <Zaragon> good advice and wild optimism all in one package.  I'll be off to fedoraland
[02:38] <Zaragon> bye all
[05:52] <Sekm> how can i make sed made changes directly to a file?
[05:53] <Sekm> i.e.
[05:53] <Sekm> sed 's/Defaults requiretty/#Defaults requiretty/g' /etc/sudoers > /etc/sudoers
[05:54] <holstein> i dont think you'll get any better than this
[05:54] <holstein> http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html
[05:54] <Sekm> thats what i have at the moment, but if it makes no changes, then it prints nothing and the /etc/sudoers will turn to nothing
[05:54] <Sekm> i did see that, its so big though, ill try sift through it
[05:54] <holstein> do you have rights?
[05:55] <Sekm> ya
[05:56] <Sekm> wait... ill have to chmod it first
[05:56] <Sekm> now i do
[08:35] <stlsaint> hey folks anyone around?
[08:36] <head_victim> Briefly, what can I do you for.
[08:37] <stlsaint> head_victim: alright so i grabbed some source code
[08:37] <stlsaint> head_victim: tried creating a deb out of it for practice, i knew i needed to do some extra stuff but i wasnt sure what so i did basic way,
[08:38] <stlsaint> long story short i installed this .deb and of course something went wrong and the package didnt install as i expected
[08:38] <stlsaint> then my root (/) started filling up like crazy and i couldnt find what was causing it
[08:38] <stlsaint> so i went from having 1.79gb free on root to having 134 mb free and i cant figure out how or why
[08:38] <stlsaint> ...
[08:39] <head_victim> It sound s like a log file someowhere
[08:40] <stlsaint> thats what i was thinking but i cant seem to find it
[08:41] <geirha> du -m -x --max-depth=1 /
[08:41] <geirha> Did it install an init/upstart script?
[08:42] <stlsaint> geirha: not that i can tell
[08:42] <stlsaint> just from looking at source
[08:42] <head_victim> stlsaint: what geirha for some reason I was poking in df not du
[08:42] <geirha> dpkg -L package-name
[08:43] <stlsaint> geirha: i removed the package
[08:45] <geirha> Maybe it started some process when you installed it, and it didn't stop it when you removed it..?
[08:46] <geirha> If that process is writing to some logfile that got installed with the package, that the package deleted upon removal, that process may still be writing to that file, which is now unlinked.
[08:46] <stlsaint> geirha: also what i was thinking and went thru trying to kill anything that looked like it
[08:46] <stlsaint> geirha: http://paste.debian.net/121477/
[08:46] <stlsaint> tried running a: ps aux | grep gsimplecal and killed everything there
[08:47] <geirha> 1.6G in /media?
[08:49] <geirha> I'm thinking you copied some files to the wrong dir in /media, one that wasn't mounted.
[08:52] <stlsaint> geirha: that space there is my system backup which i did incidently copy to wrong location i see, but i did that yesterday and the data started filling up earlier...
[08:52] <stlsaint> geirha: either way i think you just found the issue, ill move it and see
[08:54] <stlsaint> geirha: ha yea that was it, i noticed it earlier but didnt think twice about it, thanks man
[08:54] <stlsaint> geirha: question, would that explain the filesystem being rapidly used up like that? even though the backup had finished already?
[08:55]  * stlsaint facepalms...so ashamed! smh
[08:58] <geirha> Hm. It wouldn't explain the rapid filesystem use if it had completed a long time ago.
[08:59] <stlsaint> i would assume that had something to do with the package i installed gsimplecal
[11:10] <kristian-aalborg> I want to install Linux... with Danish apps and English terminal... can it be done?
[11:21] <bioterror> no
[11:32] <kristian-aalborg> that's easy then ;)
[11:34] <kristian-aalborg> I'f had some installs of Lucid where the wifi died after five minutes, again and again... anyone know if it's been fixed?
[11:47] <truepurple> Hi, is there a way to make linux open windows url links?
[11:48] <truepurple> Anyone here?
[11:49] <aman_> open the url file in text editor & copy the url link from there
[11:49] <truepurple> I mean to use them as shortcuts, that way is too time consuming
[11:52] <truepurple> Anyone?
[12:03] <geirha> When you install a program with wine, wine creates launchers of such shortcuts somehow.
[12:04] <geirha> You might have luck asking in #winehq
[12:32] <truepurple> Should I use this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=495131&highlight=fx-url+assogiate&page=2 Or this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1394268 ? Which thread has the better instructions?
[12:38] <geirha> truepurple: Both looks ugly to me. I'd try to figure out how wine does it.
[12:44] <truepurple> emulation seems like a extreme "solution" to what should be a simple problem and a simple solution
[13:01] <geirha> truepurple: What I mean is, wine might have some command that converts such a shortcut to an xdg launcher.
[13:02] <truepurple> Anyway, that would mean wine would have to be running at the time
[13:02] <geirha> Maybe, maybe not, I don't know.
[13:03] <geirha> Of the two threads you showed earlier though, I'd probably go with the perl version.
[13:03] <geirha> If there's no better way.
[18:36] <balaji_> how to set environment variable permanently
[19:46] <philipballew> does Ubuntu have a guide for configuring MBP with Ubuntu?
[19:47] <bioterror> !macbook
[19:47] <ubot2> For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[19:49] <philipballew> my friend came to me for a ubuntu cd and told me he felt updating to lion was going to dumb his computer down. he just wants to get the trackpad working with multitouch
[20:26] <burak575> hello
[20:26] <s-fox> Hello.
[20:27] <burak575> I have a question, I was SU to another user, and run a process like ./proc & after that I CTRL+C to get back console and exit, so I went back to original user
[20:27] <burak575> I can't see the output of process now, can acquire its output?
[20:28] <burak575> Short question: how to see output of already running background process?
[20:29] <burak575> It doesnt shows up in jobs list so can't FG it
[20:29] <burak575> but process is running
[20:30] <seidos> i dunno, i am researching
[20:33] <seidos> yeah, not sure.  i'm sure it's possible though.  you may try asking in a more active channel burak575
[20:33] <burak575> any suggestion for an active channel? :)
[20:34] <seidos> ##linux or #gnu maybe
[20:34] <burak575> Thank you
[20:34] <seidos> no worries, good luck
[20:50] <godtrunks> i have latest ubuntu and doesn't recognize my broadcom wireless canrd.how can i install the driver?
[20:50] <holstein> godtrunks: hey
[20:50] <holstein> can you wire up to internet?
[20:51] <godtrunks> no..
[20:51] <holstein> there are 'no internet' sections here
[20:51] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:52] <godtrunks> yes...
[20:52] <godtrunks> they have this command
[20:52] <godtrunks> ~$ sudo apt-get update
[20:52] <godtrunks> ~$ sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:53] <godtrunks> i don't have a wired connection\
[20:53] <holstein> yeah... look in the sections labeled 'no internet access'
[20:53] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#STA - No Internet access
[20:53] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43 - No Internet access
[20:54] <holstein> godtrunks: this guide will tell you how
[20:54] <godtrunks> thx
[20:54] <holstein> you can always just search for the packages you need online too, and move them over however
[20:54] <holstein> USB stick or whatever
[21:05] <sw0rdfish> hey guys how do I check if my system is 32bit or 64bit again?
[21:06] <holstein> sw0rdfish: uname -m
[21:06] <sw0rdfish> i686
[21:06] <sw0rdfish> is that 64bit?
[21:06] <holstein> nope
[21:06] <sw0rdfish> oh
[21:07] <sw0rdfish> hehe
[21:07] <holstein> :)
[21:07] <sw0rdfish> well I thought 32bit was referred to as
[21:07] <sw0rdfish> i386
[21:07] <sw0rdfish> holstein?
[21:08] <holstein> you can check out something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture) if you want
[21:08] <holstein> but, x86 is 32bit
[21:08] <sw0rdfish> ok so
[21:08] <holstein> you'll see something like amd64 on the 64's
[21:08] <sw0rdfish> i386 and i686 are 32bit
[21:09] <holstein> yup
[21:10] <sw0rdfish> cool
[21:10] <sw0rdfish> I was just installing the google+ plugin anyway
[21:11] <sw0rdfish> wanted to make sure if i386.deb was the right one for me
[21:16] <holstein> yup, thats the one
[21:16] <holstein> sw0rdfish: feel free to offer to invite me :)
[22:25] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[22:25] <kristian-aalborg> looking for a desktop clock
[22:25] <kristian-aalborg> something simple that won't have a load of dependencies... transparency would be nice
[22:27] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: cairo clock is the one ive used
[22:28] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[22:29] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: o/ :)
[22:29] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, I tried that... but I can't get cairo transparency going
[22:29] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you need compositing ??
[22:30] <kristian-aalborg> something a la "fetch background.png - draw hands on it - put it in XY place" should be enough
[22:30] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, yes
[22:31] <kristian-aalborg> but I'm not going to spend time getting it to work... I will soon ditch this monitor, I reckon... and get a proper graphics card
[22:31] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you running gnome?
[22:32] <kristian-aalborg> fluxbox... so something I'd just throw in .xinitrc would be the best
[22:32] <holstein> you can try metacity http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/03/31/enable-metacity-compositing-in-gnome-222/
[22:32] <holstein> metacity compositing**
[22:34] <holstein> maybe http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Transparency
[22:36] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, yeah... but it just seems unreasonable to go through all kinds of shenanigans
[22:37] <kristian-aalborg> for a very simple task
[22:37] <kristian-aalborg> btw, have you tried fluxbox? It's rather cool, actually
[22:37] <holstein> well, if you want transparency, you'll need to enable it :/
[22:37] <holstein> yeah... i used fluxbox when i ran antix
[22:37] <kristian-aalborg> I just got the freshest stable one
[22:38] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.winandmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/320x480xxclock.png.pagespeed.ic.uV0VrnSJ8k.png
[22:39] <kristian-aalborg> interestingly iOS has what I want... they seem to have forked xclock ;)
[22:39] <holstein> is that ugly_clock.deb ;)
[22:46] <kristian-aalborg> the funny thing is, in time you start to grow some affection for those things
[22:47] <kristian-aalborg> with that polyester-era look
[23:14] <dabarons> hey all
[23:14] <dabarons> im going thru a crazy time during a hd crash...
[23:14] <dabarons> just got my ubuntu install up... got nvidia drivers i believe
[23:14] <dabarons> but have to use my old lcd screen for some reason... ubuntu wont detect my second new dvi-HDMI connected lcd...
[23:14] <dabarons> how can i fix this? (aka get the big screen to be the main screen)
[23:15] <holstein> well, i would confirm that you have nvidia hardware, and that you have the proprietery driver installed
[23:15] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[23:17] <dabarons> ok cool
[23:17] <holstein> the short answer is, it might not be supported
[23:17] <dabarons> would it work if i just shut off my ocmputer, removed the old lcd from back of comp and replace with new one? Will it auto detect the new one ?
[23:18] <holstein> dabarons: that depends
[23:19] <dabarons> when i first started the computer it said to switch to current drivers, so i did, it told me to reboot and here i am...
[23:19] <dabarons> there is no nvidia control panel type setting?
[23:19] <holstein> dabarons: again, that really depends on the driver, and the hardware
[23:20] <holstein> i have an nvidia type of setup application for one of my nvidia cards
[23:20] <holstein> dabarons: there might be other drivers to try
[23:20] <dabarons> i got an 8800 gts i dont think there will be any problems ... i am going to see if i can find te drivers
[23:21] <holstein> if you say 'it' did this, then that would be one of the proprietary drivers from the ubuntu repos
[23:21] <holstein> there might be other options on the site
[23:21] <holstein> the nvidia site**
[23:21] <dabarons> nice found the settings!
[23:21] <dabarons> i have version 270.41.06
[23:21] <dabarons> awesome
[23:22] <dabarons> thank god ubuntu is not so hard so far :)
[23:23] <dabarons> ok
[23:23] <dabarons> i only see 1 screen in the app
[23:23] <dabarons> so its not detecting the second screen
[23:23] <dabarons> how can i tell it to detect the second screen ?
[23:23] <holstein> dabarons: again, that really depends
[23:23] <holstein> the driver may or may not see that dvi port
[23:24] <holstein> if nvidia didnt supply a proper driver for it, then it might not work
[23:24] <holstein> dabarons: i would google around, or look in the forums for someone with that hardware
[23:24] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=775586
[23:24] <holstein> ^^ for example
[23:25] <holstein> the DVI and VGA on mine work fine though
[23:25] <sw0rdfish> holstein should I trust free or htop to show me RAM usage
[23:25] <sw0rdfish> cuz both are showing different info
[23:26] <holstein> free just shows right at that moment
[23:26] <holstein> top will be an ongoing accessment
[23:26] <holstein> i would trust them
[23:26] <holstein> but, im not counting mb's
[23:26] <dabarons> ok ill look at it
[23:27] <dabarons> thaqnks
[23:27] <holstein> dabarons: i would just keep messing with it
[23:27] <holstein> its probably just something fiddly you'll sort out eventually
[23:49] <dabarons> well i got it working
[23:49] <dabarons> a couple reboots and i got dual screens as well :D
[23:50] <holstein> dabarons: good news :)
[23:50] <dabarons> ya
[23:50] <dabarons> strange when i plug old screen into other port everything goes purple...
[23:53] <holstein> do you need to do that?
[23:56] <dabarons> na its ignorable
[23:56] <dabarons> ok i got sound in my speakers
[23:57] <dabarons> but i have an audigy2 with 5.1 creative speakers, when i try setting up the sound to 5.1 it sounds HORRIBLE and everything plays from 5.1 speakers! any way to fix this ?
[23:57] <dabarons> also downloaded the client for a game i want to install (heroes of newerth) it came as a 500 mb .sh file, how can i install it ?
[23:57] <holstein> dabarons: its linux
[23:57] <holstein> there always a fix
[23:57] <dabarons> nice
[23:58] <holstein> dabarons: there should be a read me with the newerth game
[23:58] <dabarons> maybe i have the best audigy2 drivers now how can i check ?
[23:58] <holstein> sh /path/to/myScript.sh
[23:59] <holstein> dabarons: * just read this
[23:59] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=782360
[23:59] <holstein> dont do any of it
[23:59] <dabarons> nice got it working