[00:17] <cjohnston> I know its late... there is #ubuntu  - it isn't run by a loco team.. or a locale team per se... we have #ubuntu-us-fl for Florida chat.. Use a channel for support for a language.. and then a channel for the team
[00:17] <cjohnston> just like english
[02:01] <paultag> mhall119: I'll get beat up for our LoCos, no problem
[03:36] <nhandler> Anyone need a Google+ invite?
[03:37] <paultag> all set here :)
[03:37] <nhandler> paultag: I know ;)
[03:38] <paultag> nhandler: ;)
[03:40] <paultag> nhandler: I'm trying to re-think a name, I'm still not sold :(
[03:40] <paultag> I want something snarky, but a subdued snarky that most people won't catch
[04:24] <paultag> pleia2: just because something's a standard does not mean it's going to be black-and-white, I'd be happy with a transition plan, and RE: URLs, I totally agree, and I've made that pretty clear in that last email :)
[04:25] <paultag> pleia2: I think that making the names standard is a good thing, and using the old branding until it comes time to re-do it would be OK, I think
[04:26] <paultag> I don't want to keep stomping on the ML, but I also don't want to be unclear :)
[04:34] <pleia2> paultag: if it's not black and white you don't actually solve the discoverability problem you're claming to solve
[04:35] <paultag> pleia2: doing a radical change like this is not something I'm willing to take a strict stance on.
[04:35] <pleia2> and we should NEVER change the URLs, my team went through a forced IRC channel name change and that was painful enough (and expensive in time and money, we needed to find every reference to #ubuntu-california and change, it and update all our color print resources - fortunately in that case forwards can be put in place, not so for launchpad)
[04:35] <paultag> pleia2: we should change the URL, but we need to work with Launchpad to set up some sort of redirect
[04:36] <pleia2> even with a redirect it looks crazy unprofessional for all our resources to be giving the wrong ling
[04:36] <paultag> pleia2: so that's more long-term
[04:36] <pleia2> link
[04:36] <pleia2> please don't do this to us
[04:36] <paultag> pleia2: so you update it going forward, if it's outdated it's outdated
[04:36] <pleia2> :(
[04:36] <paultag> pleia2: look, this was from the whole LC, I just signed it and kicked it out, I personally don't care that much
[04:37] <pleia2> you're the one talking to me personally, I was discussing it on the mailing list
[04:37] <pleia2> to everyone, not just you
[04:37] <paultag> pleia2: I know, but it looks like I'm killing the list posting to everyone
[04:37] <paultag> pleia2: I know, I know, I know
[04:37] <paultag> pleia2: this is totally not personal with me, I'm totally cool about this, we're just chatting
[04:37] <pleia2> this is the kind of thing that makes teams want to have nothing to do with the LC (this has been a very bad day for me)
[04:38] <pleia2> I support and defend the LC all the time, but even I am finding this a bit much
[04:39] <paultag> right, sure.
[04:39] <pleia2> if you want to fix discoverability on the loco directory, work on the loco directory - maybe have a specific "display name" there, or use a map like is being discussed on the list
[04:39] <pleia2> (and at UDS)
[04:39] <pleia2> as I said in my first mail, I just don't think this will help and it's painful for teams
[04:40] <paultag> pleia2: would you mind putting that up as a suggestion? I don't think that has been brought up yet.
[04:40] <pleia2> display name in LD?
[04:40] <paultag> pleia2: having the LD map it
[04:40] <paultag> pleia2: I don't care so long as everyone's happy
[04:40] <pleia2> AlanBell suggested it, I acked it (and Cheri703 talked about it at UDS)
[04:41] <paultag> this is to keep the LD folks happy, but it seems to piss off the LoCos, and LoCo members really don't mind ripping into whoever's suggesting something
[04:41] <paultag> which kinda sucks tbh
[04:41] <paultag> but it's fine, I don't do this to get pats on the back :)
[04:41] <pleia2> the LD folks are creating a service for the locos
[04:41] <pleia2> if the locos hate it, they won't use it
[04:41] <paultag> pleia2: I don't care either way, let's just get everyone on the same page
[04:43] <paultag> this is why I wanted it an RFC not a new policy
[04:44] <pleia2> :)
[04:48] <pleia2> paultag: ur in my google+ friend circle <3
[04:48] <pleia2> (I hate this thing already)
[04:48] <paultag> pleia2: yeah it's pretty hacked up, it's pretty hard to use
[04:48] <paultag> hopefully it'll change or morph into something less facebookey
[04:48] <pleia2> google wave 2011 edition?
[04:48] <paultag> hehehe
[06:48] <AlanBell> nhandler: I am kind of interested in a google+ invite
[06:50] <pleia2> multiple google accounts strike again, everyone is adding me as a friend on my unused @gmail.com account, argh :)
[06:51] <nigelb> heh
[06:51] <nigelb> pleia2: what's the right email to add you?
[06:51]  * AlanBell hugs paultag for being the messenger in front of the firing squad
[06:51] <AlanBell> still think it is a daft idea mind
[06:52] <nigelb> heh
[06:52] <head_victim> Maybe RE the ML conversation there just needs to be another box called "Loco Directory Display Name" or something that can be used to generate the list?
[06:53] <AlanBell> there should not be a list
[06:53] <AlanBell> the only people that care that a list exist or have consistency of the list as a problem are the loco council
[06:54] <pleia2> nigelb: lyz@princessleia.com is the one that has the invite, but I'm all kinds of confused now because my @gmail.com account apparently has google+ enabled too...
[06:54] <pleia2> google is hard :)
[06:55] <nigelb> heh
[06:55] <nigelb> pleia2: oh no.
[06:56] <nigelb> I'm going down that path too
[06:56] <nigelb> I have nigelbabu@gmail.com and nigel@nigelb.me
[06:56] <nigelb> but I'm keeping my emails from my domain to professional stuff and gmail for open source
[06:56] <AlanBell> alanbelltolc@googlemail.com is my google account, but I don't use that address publicly for anything (stuff gets forwareded there from @ubuntu.com)
[06:57]  * pleia2 applies hugs to paultag for the same reason as AlanBell did
[06:57] <AlanBell> hugs, whilst reloading
[08:04] <vish> nhandler: me me! (google+ invite..) :D
[08:07] <nigelb> vish: what's your gmail ID? :)
[08:08] <vish> nigelb: drvishnoo@
[08:08] <vish> nigelb: just gmail.com not googlemail..
[08:26] <nigelb> bah, invites diabled temprarily
[10:18] <huats> morning
[11:01] <dholbach> nigelb, how did the jam go yesterday?
[11:09] <nigelb> dholbach: not bad. we had one new person come up and help
[11:10] <dholbach> nigelb, do you have an idea how many packages were fixed?
[11:21] <nigelb> dholbach: getting the numbers, one sec
[11:21] <dholbach> sweet
[11:22] <nigelb> dholbach: http://corelli.tumbleweed.org.za/ubuntu-qa/bugjam/
[11:22] <nigelb> 9 so far
[11:22] <nigelb> But we're going to work on this for a week
[11:24] <dholbach> nice
[11:24] <dholbach> I'll mention it in my report later on
[11:24] <nigelb> can you mention that tumbleweed and I will be working on it throughout the week?
[11:30] <dholbach> sure
[11:41] <czajkowski> alanbell that is absolutely not true and i resent thar remark !!!
[13:47] <greg-g> czajkowski: just fyi, I'm in the middle of replying to that email with the info, but I'm waiting on the address for the person who will receive it.
[14:05] <AlanBell> czajkowski: oops, what did I say?
[14:23] <popey> 06:53:53 < AlanBell> the only people that care that a list exist or have consistency of the list as a problem are the loco council
[14:23] <popey> probably
[14:26] <cjohnston> I'll be more than happy to help and review code for anyone who wants to contribute to LoCo Directory.
[14:27] <popey> cjohnston: " I'll review your MPs."
[14:27] <popey> What is an MP?
[14:27] <cjohnston> merge proposal
[14:30] <mhall119> show me the code!
[15:19] <daker> kim0, did you got an invite from me ?
[15:34] <paultag> thanks AlanBell, pleia2 :)
[15:35] <nigelb> jussi: did that work?
[16:22] <technoviking> jono: would you have time for a call sometime todat or early next week about forums upgrade
[16:25] <jono> technoviking, can we do next week, I am at a sprint right now
[16:26] <jono> maybe Tues?
[16:26] <technoviking> sure other 1pm-3pm next Tuesday I'm free
[16:28] <technoviking> jono: thanks
[18:09] <AlanBell> czajkowski: ah, maybe that was a bit harsh, sorry
[18:11] <AlanBell> paultag: I see summary of objections and solutions, but not the problem
[18:11] <AlanBell> "to help un-uglyfy the LoCo Directory team
[18:11] <AlanBell> list"
[18:11] <AlanBell> was the problem statement in the original mail. Is there more to it than that?
[18:21] <paultag> AlanBell: nope. We were told that it was unacceptable
[18:22] <AlanBell> ahh
[18:22]  * AlanBell detects higher powers being invoked
[18:23] <paultag> AlanBell: I don't care at all
[18:23] <paultag> AlanBell: so I really don't care about any of this
[18:23] <paultag> so I'm going to invoke what I can to stop dealing with it :)
[18:23] <maco> didnt bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu used to show a pie chart of bug statuses instaed of just listing off 10 bugs?
[18:24] <pleia2> I seem to recall pie charts
[18:24] <Pici> mm.. pie.
[18:24] <nigelb> I think that was before my time, cuz I don't remember it
[18:24] <Pici> But yes, there used to be a pie chart there.
[18:24] <paultag> I thought they were on the right sidebar or something
[18:24] <paultag> but I could be wrong
[18:25] <pleia2> yeah
[18:25] <maco> there are numbers in the sidebar
[18:25] <maco> but no charts
[18:25]  * AlanBell branches loco direcory and adopts a JFDI methodology
[18:25]  * paultag hugs AlanBell 
[18:25] <pleia2> \o/
[18:25]  * nigelb hugs AlanBell 
[18:26] <AlanBell> I will do europe
[18:27] <AlanBell> I am getting a new keyboard soon, with a circle of friends on it :)
[18:29] <pleia2> nice :)
[18:29]  * pleia2 applied tiny ubuntu sticker to mini9 keyboard, and it has worked remarkably well
[18:29]  * nigelb has done the same
[18:29] <nigelb> I gave around those at work
[18:30] <nigelb> the tiny ones from the stickers
[18:30] <pleia2> yeah
[18:30] <AlanBell> it is a high end filco one, I went to see a company that makes keyboards and talked about openERP, they ended up giving the contract to someone else, but they are going to send me a keyboard :)
[18:30] <pleia2> hah, nice
[18:31] <pleia2> (well, for you anyway :))
[18:31] <nigelb> AlanBell: ah, you mentioned that some time back in here I think
[18:32] <AlanBell> yeah, this is the outcome
[18:33] <AlanBell> http://shop.canonical.com/enquiries.php?ID=27736&g=55273922dc461976e0b8fb5b63af227b
[18:33] <AlanBell> and that is shop.canonical.com showing enthusiastic interest
[18:34] <AlanBell> hey, lets stock a mankini, that will do well . . .
[18:34] <AlanBell> hmm, keyboards, who uses them??
[18:45] <AlanBell> anyone got the link to the UDS audio recordings?
[18:50] <AlanBell> found it http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/