[15:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommander.
[15:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:59] <ogra> plop
[15:59] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110630
[15:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110630
[16:00] <NCommander> Who's here?
[16:00] <janimo> me
[16:00]  * GrueMaster is not here.
[16:00]  * davidm is looking around
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] AI Review
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  AI Review
[16:01] <NCommander> NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:01] <NCommander> c/o
[16:01] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[16:01] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:01] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[16:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[16:01] <NCommander> Mr. Burndown Chart is :-(
[16:03] <NCommander> so looking at theburndown chart, it looks like a fair bit of the items are things that were done
[16:03] <GrueMaster> I need to file a bug against iso.qa.ubuntu.com for the netboot image to get added.  The filesystem peroformance tests take 84 hours each to run.
[16:03] <ogra> NCommander, the trend line still waits for your spec to be approved ;)
[16:04] <GrueMaster> And they only run on one system.
[16:04] <janimo> GrueMaster, can't there be a much sorter but still representative test?
[16:04] <janimo> like 1 r?
[16:04] <NCommander> ogra: just fix it. At the rate we're going, that spec won't get approved until after A2
[16:04] <ogra> whats so hard about just having steve to check the checkbox in LP ? should i ask him to do it ?
[16:05] <NCommander> ogra: if you want to
[16:05] <ogra> k
[16:05] <NCommander> [action] ogra to get NCommander's documentation spec approved
[16:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to get NCommander's documentation spec approved
[16:06] <NCommander> anything else or can I move on
[16:06] <ogra> move
[16:06] <ogra> well
[16:06] <ogra> no
[16:06] <ogra> we probably need to look over the A2 items
[16:06] <NCommander> ogra: I ended up finishing several ofyour items so I'll mark those DONE now
[16:06] <ogra> since we are unlikely to achieve all of them we should look which we can postpone
[16:06] <ogra> to make kate happy
[16:07] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[16:08] <NCommander> We have ubuntu-server images! (thanks infinity)
[16:08] <ogra> and i heard roumors that netbook works
[16:08] <ogra> mahmoh1, ^^^ any input ?
[16:08] <ogra> err
[16:08] <ogra> netboot
[16:08] <persia> netbook?  AI thought that was dropped.
[16:09] <GrueMaster> U-boot PXE testing is in progress.
[16:09] <mahmoh1> mahmoh1: I wasn't able to get it to complete yet, waiting on NCommander but pxe boot works now
[16:09] <infinity> persia: s/netbook/netboot/, ogra can't type.
[16:09] <persia> ah
[16:10] <mahmoh1> still needs cleanup though but usb pxe is recognized, downloads, etc.
[16:11] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:12] <NCommander> anyone around or should I move on?
[16:12] <GrueMaster> Apparently no kernel issues - everything is perfect?
[16:12] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:13] <janimo> no progress this week
[16:13] <NCommander> netboot installer is pretty much done on omap4 sans partman-logic
[16:13] <janimo> still a few main ftbfs left
[16:13] <rsalveti> everything is perfect on the kernel side, no progress ;-)
[16:13] <NCommander> I think as far as porting goes, we're looking decent for A2
[16:13] <ogra_> awesome
[16:13] <infinity> I had a talk with doko about the upstart issue last night.  No real progress there, though.
[16:14] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:14] <NCommander> So we have a netboot image */copy and paste from before*
[16:15] <ogra_> desktop is broken atm ... (possibly headless too)
[16:15] <ogra_> jasper is misbeahving
[16:15] <GrueMaster> Will test server image after meeting.
[16:16] <ogra_> move ?
[16:16] <ppisati> hallo :)
[16:16] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:16] <NCommander> ppisati: cooloney we'll loop backto kernel status after this
[16:16] <GrueMaster> Hey, thats me.
[16:16] <ppisati> sorry, i had the "goal review" right now :P
[16:17] <ogra_> baaad timing :)
[16:17] <ppisati> right :)
[16:17] <GrueMaster> Work with Jenkins team to get that operational.  Now ready to start adding tests.
[16:17] <ogra_> we'll go back to kernel later :)
[16:17] <ogra_> \o/
[16:17] <ppisati> i think i'm going to be dragged out again soon
[16:17] <GrueMaster> mahmoh1 and I are workingtogether on the u-boot pxe stuff, and ramping up on server testing.
[16:18] <GrueMaster> Nothing else to see here, move along.
[16:18] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:19] <ppisati> on zinc, on my oneiric tree, you can find an oneiric/ti-omap4-next branch
[16:19] <ppisati> but don't even try it, it kernel panics on boot
[16:20] <ppisati> vanilla (3.0-rc5 + TI BSP provided byu agreen/TI)
[16:20] <GrueMaster> That would be bad.
[16:20] <ogra_> thats 3.0 ?
[16:20] <ppisati> sorry, they are calling me again
[16:20] <ogra_> *snap* :P
[16:20] <ogra_> ppisati, thanks for the update !!!!
[16:20] <ogra_> cooloney, anything to add ?
[16:20] <ppisati> can we talk about it tonight?
[16:21] <ogra_> or tomorrow :)
[16:21] <GrueMaster> ppisati: This is mainly for public facing progress.  Thanks.
[16:21] <NCommander> [topic] ABO
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  ABO
[16:21] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:22] <GrueMaster> BOA?
[16:22] <ogra_> OAB !
[16:22] <NCommander> I don't see what Bank of America hasto do withthis
[16:23] <GrueMaster> Dobee dobee doo
[16:23] <ogra_> twiddle
[16:23] <NCommander> closing in 3
[16:23] <NCommander> 2
[16:23] <NCommander> 1
[16:23] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[16:23] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:23.
[16:57] <pitti> cjwatson, kees: TB meeting in 5 - shall we meet IRL?
[16:57] <kees> pitti: sure thing, where at?
[16:57] <pitti> desktop room is too crowded -- we might try the meeting room at the reception?
[17:06] <cjwatson> couch meeting
[17:06] <Laney> please try to keep irc roughly informed :-)
[17:06] <kees> \o/
[17:07] <pitti> #startmeeting
[17:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:07. The chair is pitti.
[17:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:07] <pitti> [topic] Set series RM to ubuntu-release? (
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Set series RM to ubuntu-release? (
[17:08] <pitti> I don't see anything left which would prevent us from doing it
[17:08] <cjwatson> I'm happy to take the action to make that change and make sure stuff still works
[17:09] <cjwatson> so I think we should double-check the following things after making this change:
[17:09] <cjwatson>  * non-core-dev kernel uploaders (let's say) can target tasks to oneiric
[17:09] <pitti> that part has been tested, I think
[17:09] <cjwatson>  * non-release-team core-devs can target tasks to oneiric
[17:10] <cjwatson>  * non-core-dev release team members can modify oneiric milestones
[17:10] <kees> yeah, the taks targetting has been tested
[17:10] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/451390/comments/10
[17:10] <cjwatson> sorry, I actually mean stable releases, not oneiric
[17:11] <cjwatson> (oneiric already has the series RM set to ubuntu-release)
[17:11] <cjwatson> ok, let's jfdi
[17:12] <kees> +1
[17:12] <pitti> [topic] Measuring installation success/failure
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Measuring installation success/failure
[17:12] <pitti> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-June/000935.html
[17:12] <kees> right, I replied to that in agreement with pitti
[17:12] <pitti> we have +1s in email from kees and me
[17:14] <cjwatson> (one sec, just moving to a meeting room and adding sabdfl)
[17:15] <pitti> (catching up sabdfl to the recent discussion)
[17:24] <cjwatson> we're generally in favour with Evan's current proposal, and discussing how the data would be kept
[17:36] <cjwatson> Principles (summarising from RL):
[17:36] <cjwatson>  * the purpose of collecting the data is to make Ubuntu better
[17:37] <cjwatson>  * while we won't make the data entirely public (avoiding unexpected privacy concerns, and competitive questions), people with technical/research projects who have a need for it can ask the TB for data
[17:38] <pitti>  * for opt-out we need to write a privacy policy
[17:41] <cjwatson> people who are concerned about what data we're collecting can of course examine the client source code; we won't correlate IP addresses with this
[17:48] <cjwatson>  * we need to discuss data security (against theft) with IS
[17:53] <cjwatson>  * Canonical employees will need to apply to the TB like anyone else, if they want data access
[17:57] <pitti> [vote] Create a install report system as proposed by Evan under above conditions
[17:57] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Create a install report system as proposed by Evan under above conditions.
[17:57] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:57] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:57] <cjwatson> +1
[17:57] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:57] <kees> +1
[17:57] <MootBot> +1 received from kees. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:57] <pitti> +1
[17:57] <MootBot> +1 received from pitti. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:57] <sabdfl> +1
[17:57] <MootBot> +1 received from sabdfl. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:57] <pitti> [endvote]
[17:57] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[17:58] <sabdfl> we should note concerns raised by scott, with his preference for complete publication of all data
[18:01] <pitti> FTR: MRE for banshee didn't raise any discussion so far, but should be formally +1'ed on the ML
[18:01] <pitti> Policy proposal for partner repository just was updated today -> by mail or next meeting
[18:04] <pitti> some discussion about DMB voting procedure (just came in a day ago)
[18:14] <kees> pitti: +1 on the MRE
[18:15] <sabdfl> thanks all
[18:15] <sabdfl> i'm now +1 on the MRE ;-)
[18:15] <sabdfl> sorry, +2
[18:35] <pitti> #endmeeting
[18:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:35.
[18:36] <Laney> voting outcome?
[21:37] <highvoltage> g/win 12
[22:27] <maco> Laney: looks like they didnt discuss or vote on how we should tally votes :-/
[22:28] <Laney> maco: no idea what 'some discussion' is...
[22:28] <Laney> pitti: any clue? :-)