| StevenR | yay. Ubuntu Natty onna 1.8" usb harddisk. | 00:39 |
|---|---|---|
| AlanBell | morning all | 06:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | see you shortly. | 07:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | wrong room ;-) | 07:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ttfn | 07:26 |
| hoover | morning all | 07:56 |
| popey | Morning all! | 08:11 |
| gord | epp, sore throat, must be the dreaded ubuflu | 08:11 |
| gord | mornin' | 08:12 |
| popey | yeah, I have that too, and I'm not even there! | 08:12 |
| popey | can you get ubuflu via irc? | 08:12 |
| gord | its very contagious and we are a tech orientated people, i would say of course! | 08:13 |
| diplo | Morning all | 08:22 |
| exobuzz | chief popey | 08:24 |
| exobuzz | captain gord | 08:24 |
| exobuzz | et al | 08:24 |
| * exobuzz has some morning chip music .. http://freemusicarchive.org/music/4mat/Blip_Festival_2011-4mat/ | 08:24 | |
| * popey updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/NextMeeting | 08:39 | |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:40 |
| optimusP | hay, i want to shift from lucid to 11.04, how should i backup the packages? | 08:40 |
| popey | Happy birthday bigcalm | 08:42 |
| bigcalm | Thank you popey :) | 08:45 |
| MartijnVdS | optimusP: just upgrade to maverick (10.10) first, then to natty (11.04) | 08:45 |
| bigcalm | I shall be 0x20 for the day | 08:45 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: congratifications :) | 08:45 |
| bigcalm | Thank you MartijnVdS :) | 08:45 |
| optimusP | MartijnVdS, i want to switch to studio, will that matter? | 08:47 |
| xapel | Can I import csv contacts from windows mail into evolution? | 08:52 |
| bigcalm | Probabbly, if it supports a csv import | 08:53 |
| bigcalm | Interoperability, is the name of the game | 08:55 |
| bigcalm | ~ the game I want to play with you | 08:56 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:57 |
| bigcalm | Hi MooDoo | 08:58 |
| MooDoo | hows it going bigcalm ? | 08:58 |
| bigcalm | Feeling old(er) | 08:59 |
| bigcalm | Working late into the night without any MineCraft makes Jake a dull boy | 09:00 |
| popey | :D | 09:00 |
| MooDoo | lol | 09:00 |
| popey | ♥ minecraft ♥ | 09:00 |
| MooDoo | who;s played with the big ball thing yet? | 09:01 |
| popey | nah | 09:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Katamari Damacy? | 09:01 |
| popey | not really interested in that | 09:01 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS, yeah | 09:01 |
| bigcalm | Humf, 1.7 isn't out yet | 09:01 |
| daubers | Morning | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | Afternoon | 09:09 |
| MooDoo | Evening | 09:09 |
| MartijnVdS | Night | 09:10 |
| bigcalm | Is tesco.com's grocery section a little br0ked atm? | 09:11 |
| selinuxium | Morning all. o/ | 09:19 |
| wintellect | hello selinuxium | 09:19 |
| selinuxium | How are things? | 09:20 |
| selinuxium | Anyone using unify every day? I am and quite enjoying it. | 09:22 |
| bigcalm | Unify? | 09:22 |
| gord | thunderbird 5 with the conversation plugin is really nice, think i'll replace evo with that | 09:22 |
| BigRedS | conversation plugin? | 09:23 |
| gord | it makes it act like gmail | 09:23 |
| BigRedS | ahh, the sort-of-threading | 09:23 |
| gord | threading is a pain often, especially with longer threads | 09:24 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I've a few where the indentation in the message list is longer than my monitor is wide... | 09:25 |
| bigcalm | I like it for my business email | 09:25 |
| gord | i'm using it with tabs, which is nice too - normally not a huge fan of tabs | 09:28 |
| jpds | gord: That explains the 10 Firefox windows. | 09:30 |
| gord | jpds, no no no, i have ONE firefox window with one, maybe two tabs. i'm very tidy! | 09:30 |
| selinuxium | Unity... sorry big | 09:30 |
| BigRedS | ahh, yeah I'm using it at work | 09:33 |
| BigRedS | not sure I 'enjoy' it, but i've nothing against it | 09:34 |
| MooDoo | anyone seen google+ yet? | 10:02 |
| bigcalm | Not me | 10:03 |
| bigcalm | How does one use dig to aquire all DNS records for a given domain? | 10:04 |
| MooDoo | dig @nameserver domainname axfr i think | 10:04 |
| bigcalm | Yay, thank you :) | 10:06 |
| MooDoo | no worries | 10:06 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm: it's entirely likely that the nameserver wont let you axfr though | 10:17 |
| bigcalm | Dear VM SuperHub, you are a PoS. | 10:17 |
| bigcalm | Lost lan connections as well that time | 10:18 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm: I wrote this to guess subdomains configured on a domain: https://github.com/BigRedS/avi-utils/blob/master/subdomains | 10:18 |
| BigRedS | it's a bit, uh, crude | 10:18 |
| bigcalm | BigRedS: cheers, dig showed sub domains | 10:24 |
| Multivitamin | . | 10:26 |
| dogmatic69_ | o/ | 10:29 |
| dogmatic69_ | ubuntu has crashed 3 times already today :( | 10:29 |
| dogmatic69_ | something really wrong here | 10:30 |
| dogmatic69_ | on boot the load average is 8+ and cpu usage ~50% | 10:30 |
| BigRedS | dogmatic69_: what's a 'crash'? | 10:31 |
| BigRedS | and what's your memory usage like ( free -m )? | 10:31 |
| dogmatic69_ | mouse stops working, kb etc | 10:31 |
| dogmatic69_ | freezes | 10:31 |
| BigRedS | can you ssh in to it? | 10:31 |
| gord | X seems to like doing that on O | 10:32 |
| dogmatic69_ | right now... Mem: 8000 1937 6063 | 10:32 |
| gord | its fun | 10:32 |
| BigRedS | the load is a combination of CPU, Memory and I/O, so if CPU is down then memory or I/O are logical next suspects | 10:32 |
| dogmatic69_ | BigRedS: no need to ssh, im on it now :D its a desktop | 10:32 |
| BigRedS | Ah, but once it's frozen | 10:32 |
| dogmatic69_ | well it does funny things | 10:32 |
| dogmatic69_ | last one i was typing cd /some/p<tab> and then it did ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp and carried on till i rebooted | 10:33 |
| dogmatic69_ | last night i was chopping wood in mc, and then it froze, but guy was still walking forward chopping | 10:33 |
| JGJones | Hmm apparently I have a Google+ invite and I go to plus.google.com and it tells me they're overcapacity now...bah... | 10:33 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:33 |
| BigRedS | JGJones: yeah, apparently more space next week :/ | 10:34 |
| dogmatic69_ | sup brobostigon | 10:34 |
| BigRedS | dogmatic69_: hmm, peculiar. I'd ssh in when it does that and see what's going on | 10:34 |
| brobostigon | morning dogmatic69_, nought much. you? | 10:34 |
| dogmatic69_ | BigRedS: no other pc to ssh in with | 10:34 |
| BigRedS | ah :( | 10:34 |
| dogmatic69_ | brobostigon: fighting a broken ubuntu install :? | 10:34 |
| dogmatic69_ | its 10.10 btw | 10:35 |
| brobostigon | dogmatic69_: whats broken? | 10:35 |
| dogmatic69_ | i just uninstalled a few thigns, see if that helps | 10:35 |
| dogmatic69_ | brobostigon: keeps locking up and then have to reboot | 10:35 |
| dogmatic69_ | seeming very sluggish too | 10:35 |
| brobostigon | dogmatic69_: ok,what does dmesg, and syslog, and xorg.log say, ? any indications ? | 10:36 |
| dogmatic69_ | htop says 350 tasks running, load 4.x, one cpu at 15% others at 5% | 10:36 |
| dogmatic69_ | holly shit balls | 10:36 |
| dogmatic69_ | tail -f /var/logs/* -> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1944363349 | 10:38 |
| AlanBell | ahem | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | !language | 10:38 |
| lubotu3` | Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. | 10:38 |
| dogmatic69_ | it does not stop doing that | 10:39 |
| dogmatic69_ | :/ | 10:39 |
| bigcalm | Have a look at top | 10:40 |
| bigcalm | You'll see what's taking the most | 10:40 |
| * bigcalm suspects xorg | 10:40 | |
| dogmatic69_ | npviewer.bin | 10:41 |
| dogmatic69_ | 19% cpu | 10:41 |
| bigcalm | FLASH! | 10:41 |
| dogmatic69_ | aaahhhhhhaaaaaaaa! | 10:41 |
| bigcalm | Aaaaaah, he'll kill every one of us | 10:41 |
| MooDoo | Gordons alive?!?!?!?! | 10:42 |
| dogmatic69_ | saviour of the universe </not> | 10:42 |
| dogmatic69_ | not doing anything, just chatting here... cpu upto 40% now | 10:42 |
| bigcalm | Do you have a web browser open? | 10:42 |
| dogmatic69_ | one tab in ff for the paste | 10:42 |
| dogmatic69_ | and chatzilla | 10:43 |
| dogmatic69_ | ok | 10:43 |
| dogmatic69_ | why sendmail | 10:43 |
| hoover | happy birthday bigcalm | 10:43 |
| dogmatic69_ | there is loads of sendmail processes running and starting/stopping | 10:44 |
| bigcalm | Thank you hoovie :) | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69_ | killed the sendmail stuff and load is down to 1.x | 10:46 |
| dogmatic69_ | 0.9 now | 10:46 |
| dogmatic69_ | 0.7... so that was doing crazy stuff | 10:46 |
| dogmatic69_ | now that tail -f of logs is not continually showing new stuff | 10:47 |
| dogmatic69_ | i installed sendmail-bin the other day to send emails with php | 10:47 |
| AlanBell | http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 3 more likes to the vanity URL | 10:47 |
| dogmatic69_ | load back to 0.01 with ff open and flash playing | 10:49 |
| dogmatic69_ | how do i sort out this sendmail thing now? i need that for testing my email sending scripts | 10:50 |
| hoover | dogmatic69_: what's your problem? | 10:51 |
| dogmatic69_ | hoover: seems like, ive installed sendmail-bin for sending mails in php, and that was doing crazy stuff... doing tail -f /var/logs/* produced something like http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1944363349 | 10:52 |
| dogmatic69_ | millions of logs per second, load was 8+ and then would just crash after about 30min | 10:53 |
| dogmatic69_ | i killed sendmail and now things seem stable again. | 10:53 |
| hoover | are you on ubuntu or some other distro? | 10:53 |
| dogmatic69_ | ubuntu 10.10 | 10:53 |
| dogmatic69_ | latest updates | 10:53 |
| hoover | I'd recommend postfix | 10:53 |
| hoover | it's a drop-in replacement for sendmail | 10:53 |
| dogmatic69_ | and php mail() will work? | 10:54 |
| hoover | yep | 10:54 |
| hoover | do you have php mail() set up to use a local mta? | 10:54 |
| hoover | like "localhost"? | 10:54 |
| dogmatic69_ | idk | 10:54 |
| hoover | I think I remember php mail() can also send mail by itself | 10:54 |
| dogmatic69_ | i just did apt-get install sendmail-bin and then it worked | 10:55 |
| hoover | anyway, get rid of sendmail first and replace it with postfix | 10:55 |
| dogmatic69_ | done | 10:55 |
| hoover | then, from the command line, try sending a testmail | 10:55 |
| hoover | as root: | 10:55 |
| hoover | /etc/init.d/postfix restart # just to make sure it's running | 10:55 |
| hoover | then | 10:55 |
| hoover | date | mail -s "test mail with postfix" <youemail@server.com> | 10:56 |
| hoover | I think you can also use stop postfix ; start postfix with 10.10 (upstart) | 10:56 |
| hoover | if sending mails from the command line works, so should php mail(). | 10:57 |
| Mez | psst... Google+ ftw | 10:59 |
| * brobostigon wonders when his invitation, is goin to come along. | 10:59 | |
| * hoover signed up for an invite yesterday, too | 10:59 | |
| Mez | <-- has an account and can invite people :D | 11:00 |
| hoover | while I'd love to see fb dead as much as the next guy, I doubt g+ will achieve that | 11:00 |
| shauno | judging by buzz & orkut, it won't take much to be considered a success | 11:00 |
| === midoubleko_ is now known as midoubleko | ||
| hoover | true ,-) | 11:01 |
| hoover | ;-) | 11:01 |
| brobostigon | Mez: yes please. :) | 11:02 |
| * brobostigon gets Mez a crate of beer. | 11:02 | |
| * MooDoo is waiting for his invite his mate sent, they are throttling invites though | 11:03 | |
| Mez | MooDoo: I can invite instantly :d | 11:03 |
| MooDoo | Mez, :( pah! :) | 11:03 |
| MooDoo | merriam, :) | 11:04 |
| MooDoo | Mez, :) | 11:04 |
| Mez | MooDoo: you having a stroke? | 11:05 |
| MooDoo | Mez, yes sorry :) instantly, when you said that i died :) | 11:05 |
| shauno | hm. tmux & PuTTY are a bit of an odd combo. somewhere along the line, something's replacing all utf characters with dead puppies. this doesn't make me happy | 11:08 |
| diplo | I am interested in G+ if you have spares :) | 11:08 |
| * BigRedS is too :) | 11:08 | |
| popey | shame G+ doesn't work on google apps accounts ☹ | 11:09 |
| shauno | heh, I heard that | 11:10 |
| shauno | seems a little awkward | 11:10 |
| popey | AIUI they use different infrastructure | 11:10 |
| popey | so not surprising that new crack isnt deployed to the apps servers | 11:11 |
| * dogmatic69_ has google+ | 11:12 | |
| BigRedS | Hm. I've migrated a bunch of users from one box to another by moving the /etc/[passwd|shadow] entries. I've run chpasswd to make all the passwords good, and pwck and pwconv to make sure there's no issues with hashing etc. but i still can't su to any user, or log in as any user | 11:13 |
| bigcalm | I think I still have a million wave invites | 11:13 |
| bigcalm | Oh well :) | 11:13 |
| BigRedS | auth.log is pretty empty - just logs a connection opened and then immediately closed | 11:13 |
| popey | heh wave | 11:14 |
| popey | retro | 11:14 |
| BigRedS | anyone got any ideas what i've mised? | 11:14 |
| shauno | do they have valid shells? | 11:14 |
| BigRedS | d'oh | 11:15 |
| BigRedS | :/ | 11:15 |
| BigRedS | they're all /bin/false :) | 11:15 |
| shauno | don't think that'd affect su, but it'd affect regular logins | 11:16 |
| BigRedS | mm, normally su doesn't mind | 11:16 |
| BigRedS | I've just set one of them to /bin/bash and I can su to it now | 11:16 |
| BigRedS | but if I switch it back it reverts to just not letting me su | 11:17 |
| ShawnBeasley | Can anyone here answer a question about dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config in ubuntu 10.04 LTS. It seems that the configuration written here for MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS= is broke. | 11:17 |
| ShawnBeasley | Normally, I would want to leave this blank, so I thought. | 11:17 |
| hoover | BigRedS: have you checked /etc/shells? | 11:17 |
| shauno | are you using su - | 11:17 |
| ShawnBeasley | But, I can only send mails via Exim4 when it looks like MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS=* | 11:17 |
| bigcalm | Dear VM, go die in a fire. Grr | 11:18 |
| shauno | hm, su isn't letting me switch to accounts with /bin/false either | 11:18 |
| ShawnBeasley | Is anyone even using Exim? It seem the mail server of choice is postfix. | 11:19 |
| shauno | can't answer for anyone else, but postfix here | 11:19 |
| BigRedS | hoover: aha! I hadn't :) | 11:20 |
| * BigRedS gets more coffee | 11:20 | |
| BigRedS | this is the problem with rushed migrations... they're rushed | 11:20 |
| bam | Hi. Does anyone have knowledge of the ext filesystem? I am trying to figure out how to find the directory file from the info in superblock and group descriptor block. | 11:26 |
| hoover | BigRedS: indeed ;-) | 11:29 |
| brobostigon | the google+ circles, is certainly closer to the persmissions, i think facebook should have. | 11:46 |
| brobostigon | permissions* | 11:47 |
| MartijnVdS | Google Plus doesn't work for me :( | 11:48 |
| MartijnVdS | even though I have been invited | 11:48 |
| brobostigon | :( | 11:49 |
| brobostigon | the android app, is pretty slick. | 11:49 |
| brobostigon | shame about the widget. | 11:49 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon, played with the new skype for android yet? video calling? | 11:51 |
| brobostigon | it is silly, like the buzz widget. | 11:51 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: i havent, no. | 11:51 |
| shauno | hm. where are the g+ invites coming from? | 11:52 |
| brobostigon | shauno: i got mine from Mez. | 11:52 |
| dutchie | MartijnVdS: google apps account? | 11:53 |
| MartijnVdS | dutchie: that's one problem, but it doesn't work on my normal account either | 11:54 |
| brobostigon | the new google bars, etc, are in ipv6.google.com. | 12:15 |
| shauno | I love when you have an escalation path 8 people deep .. and none of them answer the phone :) | 12:26 |
| directhex | ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone | 12:26 |
| shauno | I really want to send an email saying "when it beeps, press the green button". but they're in malaysia, so I've no idea how rude it'd sound | 12:27 |
| === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm | ||
| nigelb | shauno: wow 8 people not answering the phone sounds like fun | 12:35 |
| shauno | totally. highlight of my morning | 12:36 |
| nigelb | but wait, if they're in malaysia, it should be working hours | 12:37 |
| shauno | 7-8pm I think | 12:37 |
| nigelb | ah, probably commute time. | 12:37 |
| shauno | atleast, I think they share singapore's timezone. if not, they're not gonna be far either side of | 12:38 |
| === chrisccoulson is now known as chrisccoulson_ | ||
| === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson | ||
| ShawnBeasley | can anyone field my question about the exim configuration? | 13:38 |
| dogmatic69_ | JGJones: I believe i have sent you one. | 13:40 |
| hoover | ShawnBeasley: sorry, I know my way around postfix and sendmail a bit, but no exim... | 13:53 |
| ShawnBeasley | hoover: yeah this seems to be the consensus :( | 13:53 |
| ShawnBeasley | I do not know what is inviting about Exim, maybe just the name or the fact that it seems impossible. | 13:53 |
| hoover | again, sorry, but I think postfix is so much easier to configure | 13:53 |
| hoover | hehe | 13:53 |
| hoover | it's probably a question of what you're used to | 13:54 |
| * hoover once owned the 1,000 plus pages sendmail manual | 13:54 | |
| hoover | subtitled "operating dental powertools on yourself" | 13:54 |
| hoover | oh, the o'reilly book of course, silly me | 13:54 |
| hoover | m4 macros, config files that looked like modem line noise... fun. | 13:55 |
| dwatkins | does anyone have any stats on what percentage of Ubuntu or Linux installations use a 64-bit kernel, pelase? | 14:01 |
| ali1234 | http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ | 14:03 |
| ShawnBeasley | hoover: Understand. Thanks anyway | 14:04 |
| brobostigon | that is however inaccurate, as you have to have popularity-contest installed. | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | all surveys are innacurate | 14:06 |
| brobostigon | quite, | 14:07 |
| hamitron | don't even seperate i586 and i686 | 14:12 |
| hamitron | :/ | 14:12 |
| hamitron | or lower ones | 14:12 |
| hamitron | yet there is a ZX Spectrum? | 14:12 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 14:12 |
| shauno | the ZX does appear to be flatlining | 14:13 |
| hoover | laters all | 14:13 |
| hamitron | shauno: such a shame ;) | 14:14 |
| hamitron | I wonder what "unknown" is? | 14:14 |
| shauno | perhaps the popcon version simply isn't on the c90 spectrum builds for space reasons :p | 14:15 |
| JGJones | dogmatic69, ta - got your email :) | 14:21 |
| dogmatic69_ | nice | 14:21 |
| dogmatic69_ | is it working for you? | 14:21 |
| andatche | anyone managed to get a google+ account yet? | 14:30 |
| brobostigon | yes, | 14:30 |
| Laney | stupid google | 14:30 |
| Laney | what an irritating way of generating hype | 14:31 |
| andatche | brobostigon: any chance you could try the "share an item via email" trick to my gmail address to see if I can then get an account? | 14:31 |
| andatche | it's apparently working again | 14:31 |
| brobostigon | andatche: whts your email ? | 14:31 |
| andatche | brobostigon: pm :) | 14:32 |
| andatche | TY | 14:32 |
| brobostigon | ok, | 14:32 |
| Laney | is this some hack to get an invite? | 14:32 |
| andatche | yup | 14:32 |
| Laney | or just to flush one out? | 14:32 |
| andatche | if it works, I will obviously share :) | 14:32 |
| shauno | I kinda fancy playing with plus, but I don't actually have any friends, so not sure it'll work so well :) | 14:36 |
| bigcalm | popey: ping | 14:41 |
| popey | bigcalm: pong | 14:51 |
| bigcalm | popey: mc server needs updating ;) | 14:54 |
| DJones | bigcalm: Just because 1.7 is out :) | 14:56 |
| bigcalm | Correct! | 14:57 |
| JGJones | .... | 14:57 |
| JGJones | did you have to say that? | 14:57 |
| JGJones | I resisted the urge to fire it up all day just fine. | 14:57 |
| JGJones | bah | 14:57 |
| * JGJones switch to doc editing on tablet...THAT can't play MC :) | 14:58 | |
| shauno | keep on resisting. let someone else find the next 5 patches first :) | 14:58 |
| bigcalm | Just don't right click on sheep with an empty hand | 14:58 |
| bigcalm | I guess that'll be fixed in 1.7.1 | 14:58 |
| JGJones | I saw that...worst advice to give anyone. | 14:58 |
| bigcalm | (crashes the game) | 14:59 |
| JGJones | Don't = DO IT! | 14:59 |
| bigcalm | Yep | 14:59 |
| bigcalm | I started a new world to see what would happen | 14:59 |
| JGJones | What about pistons lifting above 128 block limit at sky? | 14:59 |
| bigcalm | Give me time! | 15:00 |
| bigcalm | Actually, I'm waiting for popey to update his server | 15:01 |
| bigcalm | ;) | 15:01 |
| bigcalm | 1) I can't connect until he does | 15:01 |
| bigcalm | 2) /give is simpler to do in SMP | 15:01 |
| popey | heheh | 15:02 |
| JGJones | That's true...surprised there's no /give mod for SP (well probably there is, but I've not looked :)) | 15:02 |
| popey | 2011-06-30 15:03:09 [INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.7 | 15:03 |
| JGJones | well get on with it now bigcalm! ;-) | 15:04 |
| bigcalm | :P | 15:04 |
| bigcalm | Once mc.net returns | 15:04 |
| directhex | mc login server broken? | 15:08 |
| directhex | minecraft 1.7 out, and it still ships the broken old lwjgl ;) | 15:13 |
| popey | ☺ | 15:14 |
| shauno | JGJones: 'single player commands' is your single-player /give (and moar) | 15:14 |
| directhex | good job i don't have a displayport-based monitor on my laptop | 15:14 |
| brobostigon | google+ is showing as a possible sync source, for google apps, ie, my ubuntu-cym.org email. | 15:25 |
| bigcalm | Just noticed how messed up my connection was this morning by looking at an empty channel on another server | 15:29 |
| bigcalm | 10:16:51 disconnected | 15:29 |
| bigcalm | 11:17:00 disconnected | 15:29 |
| bigcalm | 12:17:07 disconnected | 15:29 |
| * bigcalm wonders what VM were playing at | 15:29 | |
| Laney | hourly fun | 15:29 |
| shauno | *chuckles* 1.7_01 already | 15:40 |
| popey | hah | 15:41 |
| shauno | last time, it was at .5 by time my shift finished. kinda glad I don' get to ride them out at home :) | 15:42 |
| Laney | release early, release often | 15:42 |
| popey | release broken, fix often | 15:42 |
| Laney | a useful corollarly | 15:43 |
| shauno | I'm not sure if 5 build in one day, and then a couple of months of silence, is what the early/often mantra was going for | 15:43 |
| Laney | with correct spelling | 15:43 |
| nigelb | and hope you never have to do a release like https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6 | 15:45 |
| shauno | heh | 15:46 |
| shauno | next crasher is an upward facing piston, with cobble on top, and a lever ontop of the cobble | 15:51 |
| shauno | punching sheep I understand, but how on earth do people find things like that? | 15:51 |
| JGJones | some of those folks are probably qa engineers in their jobs? | 15:56 |
| JGJones | so try all sort of daft things | 15:56 |
| shauno | heh, their irc channel gives the impression it's more of an infinite monkeys scenario | 16:05 |
| selinuxium | nigelb, OMG! | 16:16 |
| nigelb | selinuxium: :) | 16:17 |
| Laney | didn't we have a postinst that did that once? | 16:20 |
| Azelphur | Anyone who uses/contributes to bukkit might want to take a nose at this, http://azelphur.com/content/why-you-should-avoid-bukkit-minecraft :p | 16:24 |
| === denny- is now known as denny | ||
| shauno | rawr | 16:28 |
| shauno | I wonder how much drama I'd cause myself if I forwarded that one along to dinnerbone | 16:28 |
| Azelphur | shauno: do it :) | 16:28 |
| shauno | I'm not sure he's allowed to be mean to me, since I bought him for 30 cents at auction once | 16:30 |
| Azelphur | lol | 16:30 |
| Azelphur | shauno: what's your opinion on that though, you agree with me? :P | 16:32 |
| Azelphur | it's pretty funny how they try to act like I know nothing yet I've been in their business since before they even started xD | 16:34 |
| shauno | that log seemed pretty typical of trying to deal with anything like that on irc | 16:48 |
| shauno | I think the end result there had little to do with the actual complaint, and everything to do with you not bowing down to his authoratah | 16:48 |
| bigcalm | Ah, I do enjoy having a shower in the work day | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: you should just do full disclosure of the bug :) | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | especially if it's a security bug | 16:57 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: nah, was just a minor usability bug | 17:00 |
| Azelphur | shauno: indeed, gotta love the authority stuff xD | 17:00 |
| ali1234 | how the plugins work anyway? | 17:00 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: they wrote a wrapper around minecraft server | 17:01 |
| Azelphur | shauno: in my game servers / plugin development I don't do crap like that. I tell it like it is and everyones happy | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | you should ask evilseph why he doesn't use BSD licence since it's clearly more suited to his ideals | 17:01 |
| Azelphur | yea, I'm banned now anyway xD | 17:02 |
| Azelphur | but I agree it does seem like they want BSD or WTFPL rather than GPL | 17:02 |
| Azelphur | although ultimately GPL is better in game server modding environments | 17:02 |
| Azelphur | speaking as someone who's been doing it coming on a decade now xD | 17:02 |
| ali1234 | i don't see why | 17:03 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: because it stops crap like this from happening, game servers move fast and there's always updates and stuff that breaks things, bugfixes need to be contributable by everyone | 17:04 |
| ali1234 | no it doesn't | 17:04 |
| Azelphur | it's kind of pointless having a development community where everyone is fighting over who owns the code | 17:04 |
| ali1234 | using BSD stops things like this from happening | 17:04 |
| ali1234 | because using BSD you make zero promises and ask for nothing in return | 17:04 |
| Azelphur | BSD lets people close source their code again? | 17:04 |
| ali1234 | yes | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | yea, that's a bad thing | 17:05 |
| ali1234 | using GPL doesn't stop people from doing it as you just found out | 17:05 |
| ali1234 | it just causes arguments | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | so many plugin authors are kids that try and get away with bad things | 17:05 |
| BigRedS | ali1234: it's arguable whether it's a bad thing | 17:05 |
| ali1234 | these people are all idiots for using the GPL when they clearly don't understand it and don't want it | 17:05 |
| BigRedS | it's another of those indefinitely long arguments | 17:05 |
| BigRedS | (if it was always a bad thing, nobody would ever do it) | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | ^ that I agree with :P | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | it does with SourceMod, any plugin that doesn't have the source code posted too gets removed | 17:05 |
| Azelphur | you arn't allowed to post plugin without source hehe | 17:06 |
| Azelphur | so it stops any malicious code surviving more than 5 minutes | 17:06 |
| Azelphur | and it allows for a plugin approval process too, another thing that works great in sourcemod | 17:06 |
| Azelphur | and it obviously allows for the whole GPL everybody working together stop raging about who owns your 100 lines of code thing. | 17:06 |
| Azelphur | as I say I don't have these problems with SourceIRC and it's GPL licensed, there's a few forks floating about | 17:07 |
| Azelphur | one guys writing a new core to have it connect as a server link rather than a client for example | 17:07 |
| ali1234 | also every time you see a post complaining about the bug be sure to follow it up with a message saying "i have a fix but evilseph says i'm not allowed to post it. please take it up with him" | 17:08 |
| Azelphur | I'm banned lol | 17:08 |
| ali1234 | do it on other forums lol | 17:08 |
| Azelphur | my evil open source ways are terrible | 17:08 |
| ali1234 | start google searching for references to the bug | 17:08 |
| ali1234 | follow up every single post about it everywhere on the whole internet | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | it's too minor for that | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | it was just a bug in stargate plugin that caused it to trigger NoCheats speedhack protection I think | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | so a small conflict between plugin A and plugin B | 17:09 |
| Azelphur | people are already taking the piss though, haha https://github.com/Seta00/craftbukkit-umad-edition | 17:10 |
| ali1234 | not worth worrying about then is it? | 17:10 |
| Azelphur | yea it's not really about the bug, it's more about the way they treat the community | 17:10 |
| ali1234 | wait, they are lgpl? | 17:11 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: no, craftbukkit (the actual modified server with the wrapper) is LGPL because it has to link to minecraft | 17:12 |
| Azelphur | bukkit (the plugin API) is GPL | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | i don't even | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | this somewhat reminds me of the way canonical deals with patches to their homegrown software like the software center | 17:15 |
| ali1234 | they don't outright ban you at least | 17:16 |
| Azelphur | lol | 17:16 |
| ali1234 | but i've seen complaints when people post patches and don't assign copyright because "now you've put the developer in an awkward position" | 17:16 |
| Azelphur | lol | 17:16 |
| ali1234 | no, they put themselves in that position | 17:17 |
| kvarley | I want to be able to open up a dvd video and take 1 title from that dvd and make an iso out of that individual title. What software can I use to do this? I am having issues with DVD Shrink and wine. | 17:20 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: vobcopy? | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: + some DVD authoring tool | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: I've heard there are some KDE tools | 17:22 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: Thanks, I'll try that and devede | 17:22 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: Yeah like K9Burn or something | 17:22 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: Do you think Nero 4 Linux would be able to do that? | 17:23 |
| MartijnVdS | I don't know nero4linux | 17:23 |
| MartijnVdS | I tend to use free software | 17:23 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: Ah ok =) | 17:23 |
| _serial_ | does handbreak record all the film too or can you set it to record a section? | 17:24 |
| MartijnVdS | _serial_: it can do a section, but it'll re-encode to MPEG4 | 17:25 |
| _serial_ | ah, thanks for that :) | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | _serial_: which you can't burn to DVD again (unless you re-encode to MPEG2, lots of quality loss) | 17:26 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: Yeah I'm trying to avoid re-encoding cos if I use handbrake I'll have to re-encode back to mpg to put it on dvd | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: you can rip a title using mplayer -dumpstream dvd://1 I think | 17:26 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: then you have a big MPEG2 stream you can burn to DVD using standard DVD-video authoring software | 17:27 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: That could be interesting | 17:27 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: I'll give it a go | 17:28 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: check the -dumpfile option to set where it dumps the stream to | 17:28 |
| Azelphur | If I buy something from the software center, it's available to use on all my computers right? | 17:38 |
| MartijnVdS | No idea.. please ask launchpad.net/answers | 17:39 |
| ali1234 | what you buy is tied to your ubuntu one account | 17:39 |
| Azelphur | cool :) | 17:40 |
| ali1234 | i have no idea how it works for multiuser machines though | 17:40 |
| ali1234 | i mean you could just go around to your friends, log in, download all apps, then they've got them all for free | 17:41 |
| === lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 | ||
| kvarley | The dvd authoring tools on Ubuntu are extremely irritating. | 17:51 |
| shauno | totally proud of my laptop today. forgot to bring my charger, it still managed a 10hr shift :D | 18:07 |
| AlanBell | http://www.facebook.com/UbuntuUK :) | 19:03 |
| livingdaylight | Does Ubuntu still come with wubi as installation option for windows? | 19:30 |
| livingdaylight | very quiet in the room? | 19:30 |
| livingdaylight | did someone fart? | 19:31 |
| daubers | lo | 19:31 |
| MartijnVdS | *yawn* | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | going to bed early tonight I think.. | 19:33 |
| StevenR | livingdaylight: yes, wubi is still there afaik. | 19:41 |
| StevenR | it'll even do the downloady bit these days | 19:41 |
| livingdaylight | StevenR: i think VB is a better way to go after all - thanks | 19:55 |
| StevenR | livingdaylight: ok, that's an option too, then you can run both at once | 20:03 |
| popey | Evening all | 20:18 |
| brobostigon | evening mr popey | 20:19 |
| s-fox | Hello. | 20:20 |
| popey | hi s-fox | 20:21 |
| s-fox | Hello popey, how are you? | 20:22 |
| s-fox | Glorious evening here | 20:22 |
| popey | great | 20:24 |
| popey | installing Ubuntu for a friend. | 20:24 |
| s-fox | Good to hear. Neat. | 20:24 |
| s-fox | What prompted your friend wanting to give ubuntu a spin popey? :-) | 20:26 |
| popey | She is a friend of my wifes, she asked my wife what I would recommend because she doesn't like windows | 20:26 |
| popey | wife told her I would recommend ubuntu | 20:26 |
| popey | she went off to look at ubuntu.com and came back saying "yes please" | 20:27 |
| s-fox | Ah I see, cool. | 20:27 |
| popey | I offered to install it for her | 20:27 |
| popey | I didnt do any "sales pitch" to her at all | 20:27 |
| czajkowski | no davemor2 | 20:28 |
| czajkowski | i feel cheated | 20:28 |
| StevenR | popey: awesome :) | 20:35 |
| * StevenR was doing Ubuntu-support-in-return-for-dinner at the weekend :) | 20:36 | |
| * TheOpenSourcerer will be "outside" tomorrow. Playing Golf :-) | 20:36 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Am now trying to focus and get in the zone. | 20:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Beer. | 20:37 |
| brobostigon | :) | 20:37 |
| xapel_ | is there an ubuntu manual somewhere for 11.04? | 20:52 |
| DJones | !manual | xapel_ | 20:53 |
| lubotu3 | xapel_: The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/ | 20:53 |
| popey | 10.10 sadly | 20:53 |
| bigcalm | popey: ping | 20:53 |
| popey | bigcalm: pong | 20:53 |
| bigcalm | Sorry :) | 20:53 |
| popey | np | 20:53 |
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| MooDoo | hello all | 21:47 |
| daubers | lo | 21:53 |
| * daubers misses having access to a decent telescope | 22:01 | |
| === TheFakeLjL is now known as LjL | ||
| brobostigon | good night, sleep well everyone, | 22:45 |
| popey | stgraber: do you ship some kind of software to restrict web access in edubuntu? | 23:07 |
| === webpigeon is now known as Guest50296 | ||
| === Guest50296 is now known as webpigeon | ||
| Azelphur | anyone know how I fix ssh always asking for "Enter passphrase for key '/root/.ssh/id_rsa':" | 23:44 |
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