[00:39] <StevenR> yay. Ubuntu Natty onna 1.8" usb harddisk.
[06:37] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> see you shortly.
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> wrong room ;-)
[07:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> ttfn
[07:56] <hoover> morning all
[08:11] <popey> Morning all!
[08:11] <gord> epp, sore throat, must be the dreaded ubuflu
[08:12] <gord> mornin'
[08:12] <popey> yeah, I have that too, and I'm not even there!
[08:12] <popey> can you get ubuflu via irc?
[08:13] <gord> its very contagious and we are a tech orientated people, i would say of course!
[08:22] <diplo> Morning all
[08:24] <exobuzz> chief popey
[08:24] <exobuzz> captain gord
[08:24] <exobuzz> et al
[08:24]  * exobuzz has some morning chip music .. http://freemusicarchive.org/music/4mat/Blip_Festival_2011-4mat/
[08:39]  * popey updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/NextMeeting
[08:40] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:40] <optimusP> hay, i want to shift from lucid to 11.04, how should i backup the packages?
[08:42] <popey> Happy birthday bigcalm
[08:45] <bigcalm> Thank you popey :)
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> optimusP: just upgrade to maverick (10.10) first, then to natty (11.04)
[08:45] <bigcalm> I shall be 0x20 for the day
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: congratifications :)
[08:45] <bigcalm> Thank you MartijnVdS :)
[08:47] <optimusP> MartijnVdS, i want to switch to studio, will that matter?
[08:52] <xapel> Can I import csv contacts from windows mail into evolution?
[08:53] <bigcalm> Probabbly, if it supports a csv import
[08:55] <bigcalm> Interoperability, is the name of the game
[08:56] <bigcalm> ~ the game I want to play with you
[08:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:58] <bigcalm> Hi MooDoo
[08:58] <MooDoo> hows it going bigcalm ?
[08:59] <bigcalm> Feeling old(er)
[09:00] <bigcalm> Working late into the night without any MineCraft makes Jake a dull boy
[09:00] <popey> :D
[09:00] <MooDoo> lol
[09:00] <popey> ♥ minecraft ♥
[09:01] <MooDoo> who;s played with the big ball thing yet?
[09:01] <popey> nah
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> Katamari Damacy?
[09:01] <popey> not really interested in that
[09:01] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, yeah
[09:01] <bigcalm> Humf, 1.7 isn't out yet
[09:08] <daubers> Morning
[09:09] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[09:09] <MooDoo> Evening
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> Night
[09:11] <bigcalm> Is tesco.com's grocery section a little br0ked atm?
[09:19] <selinuxium> Morning all.   o/
[09:19] <wintellect> hello selinuxium
[09:20] <selinuxium> How are things?
[09:22] <selinuxium> Anyone using unify every day? I am and quite enjoying it.
[09:22] <bigcalm> Unify?
[09:22] <gord> thunderbird 5 with the conversation plugin is really nice, think i'll replace evo with that
[09:23] <BigRedS> conversation plugin?
[09:23] <gord> it makes it act like gmail
[09:23] <BigRedS> ahh, the sort-of-threading
[09:24] <gord> threading is a pain often, especially with longer threads
[09:25] <BigRedS> yeah, I've a few where the indentation in the message list is longer than my monitor is wide...
[09:25] <bigcalm> I like it for my business email
[09:28] <gord> i'm using it with tabs, which is nice too - normally not a huge fan of tabs
[09:30] <jpds> gord: That explains the 10 Firefox windows.
[09:30] <gord> jpds, no no no, i have ONE firefox window with one, maybe two tabs. i'm very tidy!
[09:30] <selinuxium> Unity... sorry big
[09:33] <BigRedS> ahh, yeah I'm using it at work
[09:34] <BigRedS> not sure I 'enjoy' it, but i've nothing against it
[10:02] <MooDoo> anyone seen google+ yet?
[10:03] <bigcalm> Not me
[10:04] <bigcalm> How does one use dig to aquire all DNS records for a given domain?
[10:04] <MooDoo> dig @nameserver domainname axfr                   i think
[10:06] <bigcalm> Yay, thank you :)
[10:06] <MooDoo> no worries
[10:17] <BigRedS> bigcalm: it's entirely likely that the nameserver wont let you axfr though
[10:17] <bigcalm> Dear VM SuperHub, you are a PoS.
[10:18] <bigcalm> Lost lan connections as well that time
[10:18] <BigRedS> bigcalm: I wrote this to guess subdomains configured on a domain: https://github.com/BigRedS/avi-utils/blob/master/subdomains
[10:18] <BigRedS> it's a bit, uh, crude
[10:24] <bigcalm> BigRedS: cheers, dig showed sub domains
[10:26] <Multivitamin> .
[10:29] <dogmatic69_> o/
[10:29] <dogmatic69_> ubuntu has crashed 3 times already today :(
[10:30] <dogmatic69_> something really wrong here
[10:30] <dogmatic69_> on boot the load average is 8+ and cpu usage ~50%
[10:31] <BigRedS> dogmatic69_: what's a 'crash'?
[10:31] <BigRedS> and what's your memory usage like ( free -m )?
[10:31] <dogmatic69_> mouse stops working, kb etc
[10:31] <dogmatic69_> freezes
[10:31] <BigRedS> can you ssh in to it?
[10:32] <gord> X seems to like doing that on O
[10:32] <dogmatic69_> right now... Mem:          8000       1937       6063
[10:32] <gord> its fun
[10:32] <BigRedS> the load is a combination of CPU, Memory and I/O, so if CPU is down then memory or I/O are logical next suspects
[10:32] <dogmatic69_> BigRedS: no need to ssh, im on it now :D its a desktop
[10:32] <BigRedS> Ah, but once it's frozen
[10:32] <dogmatic69_> well it does funny things
[10:33] <dogmatic69_> last one i was typing cd /some/p<tab> and then it did ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp and carried on till i rebooted
[10:33] <dogmatic69_> last night i was chopping wood in mc, and then it froze, but guy was still walking forward chopping
[10:33] <JGJones> Hmm apparently I have a Google+ invite and I go to plus.google.com and it tells me they're overcapacity now...bah...
[10:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:34] <BigRedS> JGJones: yeah, apparently more space next week :/
[10:34] <dogmatic69_> sup brobostigon
[10:34] <BigRedS> dogmatic69_: hmm, peculiar. I'd ssh in when it does that and see what's going on
[10:34] <brobostigon> morning dogmatic69_, nought much. you?
[10:34] <dogmatic69_> BigRedS: no other pc to ssh in with
[10:34] <BigRedS> ah :(
[10:34] <dogmatic69_> brobostigon: fighting a broken ubuntu install :?
[10:35] <dogmatic69_> its 10.10 btw
[10:35] <brobostigon> dogmatic69_: whats broken?
[10:35] <dogmatic69_> i just uninstalled a few thigns, see if that helps
[10:35] <dogmatic69_> brobostigon: keeps locking up and then have to reboot
[10:35] <dogmatic69_> seeming very sluggish too
[10:36] <brobostigon> dogmatic69_: ok,what does dmesg, and syslog, and xorg.log say, ? any indications ?
[10:36] <dogmatic69_> htop says 350 tasks running, load 4.x, one cpu at 15% others at 5%
[10:36] <dogmatic69_> holly shit balls
[10:38] <dogmatic69_> tail -f /var/logs/* -> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1944363349
[10:38] <AlanBell> ahem
[10:38] <bigcalm> !language
[10:38] <lubotu3`> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[10:39] <dogmatic69_> it does not stop doing that
[10:39] <dogmatic69_> :/
[10:40] <bigcalm> Have a look at top
[10:40] <bigcalm> You'll see what's taking the most
[10:40]  * bigcalm suspects xorg
[10:41] <dogmatic69_> npviewer.bin
[10:41] <dogmatic69_> 19% cpu
[10:41] <bigcalm> FLASH!
[10:41] <dogmatic69_> aaahhhhhhaaaaaaaa!
[10:41] <bigcalm> Aaaaaah, he'll kill every one of us
[10:42] <MooDoo> Gordons alive?!?!?!?!
[10:42] <dogmatic69_> saviour of the universe </not>
[10:42] <dogmatic69_> not doing anything, just chatting here... cpu upto 40% now
[10:42] <bigcalm> Do you have a web browser open?
[10:42] <dogmatic69_> one tab in ff for the paste
[10:43] <dogmatic69_> and chatzilla
[10:43] <dogmatic69_> ok
[10:43] <dogmatic69_> why sendmail
[10:43] <hoover> happy birthday bigcalm
[10:44] <dogmatic69_> there is loads of sendmail processes running and starting/stopping
[10:45] <bigcalm> Thank you hoovie :)
[10:46] <dogmatic69_> killed the sendmail stuff and load is down to 1.x
[10:46] <dogmatic69_> 0.9 now
[10:46] <dogmatic69_> 0.7... so that was doing crazy stuff
[10:47] <dogmatic69_> now that tail -f of logs is not continually showing new stuff
[10:47] <dogmatic69_> i installed sendmail-bin the other day to send emails with php
[10:47] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 3 more likes to the vanity URL
[10:49] <dogmatic69_> load back to 0.01 with ff open and flash playing
[10:50] <dogmatic69_> how do i sort out this sendmail thing now? i need that for testing my email sending scripts
[10:51] <hoover> dogmatic69_: what's your problem?
[10:52] <dogmatic69_> hoover: seems like, ive installed sendmail-bin for sending mails in php, and that was doing crazy stuff... doing tail -f /var/logs/* produced something like http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1944363349
[10:53] <dogmatic69_> millions of logs per second, load was 8+ and then would just crash after about 30min
[10:53] <dogmatic69_> i killed sendmail and now things seem stable again.
[10:53] <hoover> are you on ubuntu or some other distro?
[10:53] <dogmatic69_> ubuntu 10.10
[10:53] <dogmatic69_> latest updates
[10:53] <hoover> I'd recommend postfix
[10:53] <hoover> it's a drop-in replacement for sendmail
[10:54] <dogmatic69_> and php mail() will work?
[10:54] <hoover> yep
[10:54] <hoover> do you have php mail() set up to use a local mta?
[10:54] <hoover> like "localhost"?
[10:54] <dogmatic69_> idk
[10:54] <hoover> I think I remember php mail() can also send mail by itself
[10:55] <dogmatic69_> i just did apt-get install sendmail-bin and then it worked
[10:55] <hoover> anyway, get rid of sendmail first and replace it with postfix
[10:55] <dogmatic69_> done
[10:55] <hoover> then, from the command line, try sending a testmail
[10:55] <hoover> as root:
[10:55] <hoover> /etc/init.d/postfix restart # just to make sure it's running
[10:55] <hoover> then
[10:56] <hoover> date | mail -s "test mail with postfix" <youemail@server.com>
[10:56] <hoover> I think you can also use stop postfix ; start postfix with 10.10 (upstart)
[10:57] <hoover> if sending mails from the command line works, so should php mail().
[10:59] <Mez> psst... Google+ ftw
[10:59]  * brobostigon wonders when his invitation, is goin to come along.
[10:59]  * hoover signed up for an invite yesterday, too
[11:00] <Mez> <-- has an account and can invite people :D
[11:00] <hoover> while I'd love to see fb dead as much as the next guy, I doubt g+ will achieve that
[11:00] <shauno> judging by buzz & orkut, it won't take much to be considered a success
[11:01] <hoover> true ,-)
[11:01] <hoover> ;-)
[11:02] <brobostigon> Mez: yes please. :)
[11:02]  * brobostigon gets Mez a crate of beer.
[11:03]  * MooDoo is waiting for his invite his mate sent, they are throttling invites though
[11:03] <Mez> MooDoo: I can invite instantly :d
[11:03] <MooDoo> Mez, :( pah! :)
[11:04] <MooDoo> merriam, :)
[11:04] <MooDoo> Mez, :)
[11:05] <Mez> MooDoo: you having a stroke?
[11:05] <MooDoo> Mez, yes sorry :)  instantly, when you said that i died :)
[11:08] <shauno> hm.  tmux & PuTTY are a bit of an odd combo. somewhere along the line, something's replacing all utf characters with dead puppies.  this doesn't make me happy
[11:08] <diplo> I am interested in G+ if you have spares :)
[11:08]  * BigRedS is too :)
[11:09] <popey> shame G+ doesn't work on google apps accounts ☹
[11:10] <shauno> heh, I heard that
[11:10] <shauno> seems a little awkward
[11:10] <popey> AIUI they use different infrastructure
[11:11] <popey> so not surprising that new crack isnt deployed to the apps servers
[11:12]  * dogmatic69_ has google+
[11:13] <BigRedS> Hm. I've migrated a bunch of users from one box to another by moving the /etc/[passwd|shadow] entries. I've run chpasswd to make all the passwords good, and pwck and pwconv to make sure there's no issues with hashing etc. but i still can't su to any user, or log in as any user
[11:13] <bigcalm> I think I still have a million wave invites
[11:13] <bigcalm> Oh well :)
[11:13] <BigRedS> auth.log is pretty empty - just logs a connection opened and then immediately closed
[11:14] <popey> heh wave
[11:14] <popey> retro
[11:14] <BigRedS> anyone got any ideas what i've mised?
[11:14] <shauno> do they have valid shells?
[11:15] <BigRedS> d'oh
[11:15] <BigRedS> :/
[11:15] <BigRedS> they're all /bin/false :)
[11:16] <shauno> don't think that'd affect su, but it'd affect regular logins
[11:16] <BigRedS> mm, normally su doesn't mind
[11:16] <BigRedS> I've just set one of them to /bin/bash and I can su to it now
[11:17] <BigRedS> but if I switch it back it reverts to just not letting me su
[11:17] <ShawnBeasley> Can anyone here answer a question about dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config in ubuntu 10.04 LTS. It seems that the configuration  written here for MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS= is broke.
[11:17] <ShawnBeasley> Normally, I would want to leave this blank, so I thought.
[11:17] <hoover> BigRedS: have you checked /etc/shells?
[11:17] <shauno> are you using su -
[11:17] <ShawnBeasley> But, I can only send mails via Exim4 when it looks like MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS=*
[11:18] <bigcalm> Dear VM, go die in a fire. Grr
[11:18] <shauno> hm, su isn't letting me switch to accounts with /bin/false either
[11:19] <ShawnBeasley> Is anyone even using Exim? It seem the mail server of choice is postfix.
[11:19] <shauno> can't answer for anyone else, but postfix here
[11:20] <BigRedS> hoover: aha! I hadn't :)
[11:20]  * BigRedS gets more coffee
[11:20] <BigRedS> this is the problem with rushed migrations... they're rushed
[11:26] <bam> Hi. Does anyone have knowledge of the ext filesystem? I am trying to figure out how to find the directory file from the info in superblock and group descriptor block.
[11:29] <hoover> BigRedS: indeed ;-)
[11:46] <brobostigon> the google+ circles, is certainly closer to the persmissions, i think facebook should have.
[11:47] <brobostigon> permissions*
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> Google Plus doesn't work for me :(
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> even though I have been invited
[11:49] <brobostigon> :(
[11:49] <brobostigon> the android app, is pretty slick.
[11:49] <brobostigon> shame about the widget.
[11:51] <MooDoo> brobostigon, played with the new skype for android yet?  video calling?
[11:51] <brobostigon> it is silly, like the buzz widget.
[11:51] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i havent, no.
[11:52] <shauno> hm.  where are the g+ invites coming from?
[11:52] <brobostigon> shauno: i got mine from Mez.
[11:53] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: google apps account?
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: that's one problem, but it doesn't work on my normal account either
[12:15] <brobostigon> the new google bars, etc, are in ipv6.google.com.
[12:26] <shauno> I love when you have an escalation path 8 people deep .. and none of them answer the phone :)
[12:26] <directhex> ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone
[12:27] <shauno> I really want to send an email saying "when it beeps, press the green button".  but they're in malaysia, so I've no idea how rude it'd sound
[12:35] <nigelb> shauno: wow 8 people not answering the phone sounds like fun
[12:36] <shauno> totally.  highlight of my morning
[12:37] <nigelb> but wait, if they're in malaysia, it should be working hours
[12:37] <shauno> 7-8pm I think
[12:37] <nigelb> ah, probably commute time.
[12:38] <shauno> atleast, I think they share singapore's timezone.  if not, they're not gonna be far either side of
[13:38] <ShawnBeasley> can anyone field my question about the exim configuration?
[13:40] <dogmatic69_> JGJones: I believe i have sent you one.
[13:53] <hoover> ShawnBeasley: sorry, I know my way around postfix and sendmail a bit, but no exim...
[13:53] <ShawnBeasley> hoover: yeah this seems to be the consensus :(
[13:53] <ShawnBeasley> I do not know what is inviting about Exim, maybe just the name or the fact that it seems impossible.
[13:53] <hoover> again, sorry, but I think postfix is so much easier to configure
[13:53] <hoover> hehe
[13:54] <hoover> it's probably a question of what you're used to
[13:54]  * hoover once owned the 1,000 plus pages sendmail manual
[13:54] <hoover> subtitled "operating dental powertools on yourself"
[13:54] <hoover> oh, the o'reilly book of course, silly me
[13:55] <hoover> m4 macros, config files that looked like modem line noise... fun.
[14:01] <dwatkins> does anyone have any stats on what percentage of Ubuntu or Linux installations use a 64-bit kernel, pelase?
[14:03] <ali1234> http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[14:04] <ShawnBeasley> hoover: Understand. Thanks anyway
[14:05] <brobostigon> that is however inaccurate, as you have to have popularity-contest installed.
[14:06] <ali1234> all surveys are innacurate
[14:07] <brobostigon> quite,
[14:12] <hamitron> don't even seperate i586 and i686
[14:12] <hamitron> :/
[14:12] <hamitron> or lower ones
[14:12] <hamitron> yet there is a ZX Spectrum?
[14:12] <hamitron> ;/
[14:13] <shauno> the ZX does appear to be flatlining
[14:13] <hoover> laters all
[14:14] <hamitron> shauno: such a shame ;)
[14:14] <hamitron> I wonder what "unknown" is?
[14:15] <shauno> perhaps the popcon version simply isn't on the c90 spectrum builds for space reasons :p
[14:21] <JGJones> dogmatic69, ta - got your email :)
[14:21] <dogmatic69_> nice
[14:21] <dogmatic69_> is it working for you?
[14:30] <andatche> anyone managed to get a google+ account yet?
[14:30] <brobostigon> yes,
[14:30] <Laney> stupid google
[14:31] <Laney> what an irritating way of generating hype
[14:31] <andatche> brobostigon: any chance you could try the "share an item via email" trick to my gmail address to see if I can then get an account?
[14:31] <andatche> it's apparently working again
[14:31] <brobostigon> andatche: whts your email ?
[14:32] <andatche> brobostigon: pm :)
[14:32] <andatche> TY
[14:32] <brobostigon> ok,
[14:32] <Laney> is this some hack to get an invite?
[14:32] <andatche> yup
[14:32] <Laney> or just to flush one out?
[14:32] <andatche> if it works, I will obviously share :)
[14:36] <shauno> I kinda fancy playing with plus, but I don't actually have any friends, so not sure it'll work so well :)
[14:41] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[14:51] <popey> bigcalm: pong
[14:54] <bigcalm> popey: mc server needs updating ;)
[14:56] <DJones> bigcalm: Just because 1.7 is out :)
[14:57] <bigcalm> Correct!
[14:57] <JGJones> ....
[14:57] <JGJones> did you have to say that?
[14:57] <JGJones> I resisted the urge to fire it up all day just fine.
[14:57] <JGJones> bah
[14:58]  * JGJones switch to doc editing on tablet...THAT can't play MC :)
[14:58] <shauno> keep on resisting. let someone else find the next 5 patches first :)
[14:58] <bigcalm> Just don't right click on sheep with an empty hand
[14:58] <bigcalm> I guess that'll be fixed in 1.7.1
[14:58] <JGJones> I saw that...worst advice to give anyone.
[14:59] <bigcalm> (crashes the game)
[14:59] <JGJones> Don't = DO IT!
[14:59] <bigcalm> Yep
[14:59] <bigcalm> I started a new world to see what would happen
[14:59] <JGJones> What about pistons lifting above 128 block limit at sky?
[15:00] <bigcalm> Give me time!
[15:01] <bigcalm> Actually, I'm waiting for popey to update his server
[15:01] <bigcalm> ;)
[15:01] <bigcalm> 1) I can't connect until he does
[15:01] <bigcalm> 2) /give is simpler to do in SMP
[15:02] <popey> heheh
[15:02] <JGJones> That's true...surprised there's no /give mod for SP (well probably there is, but I've not looked :))
[15:03] <popey> 2011-06-30 15:03:09 [INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.7
[15:04] <JGJones> well get on with it now bigcalm! ;-)
[15:04] <bigcalm> :P
[15:04] <bigcalm> Once mc.net returns
[15:08] <directhex> mc login server broken?
[15:13] <directhex> minecraft 1.7 out, and it still ships the broken old lwjgl ;)
[15:14] <popey> ☺
[15:14] <shauno> JGJones: 'single player commands' is your single-player /give (and moar)
[15:14] <directhex> good job i don't have a displayport-based monitor on my laptop
[15:25] <brobostigon> google+ is showing as a possible sync source, for google apps, ie, my ubuntu-cym.org email.
[15:29] <bigcalm> Just noticed how messed up my connection was this morning by looking at an empty channel on another server
[15:29] <bigcalm> 10:16:51 disconnected
[15:29] <bigcalm> 11:17:00 disconnected
[15:29] <bigcalm> 12:17:07 disconnected
[15:29]  * bigcalm wonders what VM were playing at
[15:29] <Laney> hourly fun
[15:40] <shauno> *chuckles*  1.7_01 already
[15:41] <popey> hah
[15:42] <shauno> last time, it was at .5 by time my shift finished.  kinda glad I don' get to ride them out at home :)
[15:42] <Laney> release early, release often
[15:42] <popey> release broken, fix often
[15:43] <Laney> a useful corollarly
[15:43] <shauno> I'm not sure if 5 build in one day, and then a couple of months of silence, is what the early/often mantra was going for
[15:43] <Laney> with correct spelling
[15:45] <nigelb> and hope you never have to do a release like https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6
[15:46] <shauno> heh
[15:51] <shauno> next crasher is an upward facing piston, with cobble on top, and a lever ontop of the cobble
[15:51] <shauno> punching sheep I understand, but how on earth do people find things like that?
[15:56] <JGJones> some of those folks are probably qa engineers in their jobs?
[15:56] <JGJones> so try all sort of daft things
[16:05] <shauno> heh, their irc channel gives the impression it's more of an infinite monkeys scenario
[16:16] <selinuxium> nigelb, OMG!
[16:17] <nigelb> selinuxium: :)
[16:20] <Laney> didn't we have a postinst that did that once?
[16:24] <Azelphur> Anyone who uses/contributes to bukkit might want to take a nose at this, http://azelphur.com/content/why-you-should-avoid-bukkit-minecraft :p
[16:28] <shauno> rawr
[16:28] <shauno> I wonder how much drama I'd cause myself if I forwarded that one along to dinnerbone
[16:28] <Azelphur> shauno: do it :)
[16:30] <shauno> I'm not sure he's allowed to be mean to me, since I bought him for 30 cents at auction once
[16:30] <Azelphur> lol
[16:32] <Azelphur> shauno: what's your opinion on that though, you agree with me? :P
[16:34] <Azelphur> it's pretty funny how they try to act like I know nothing yet I've been in their business since before they even started xD
[16:48] <shauno> that log seemed pretty typical of trying to deal with anything like that on irc
[16:48] <shauno> I think the end result there had little to do with the actual complaint, and everything to do with you not bowing down to his authoratah
[16:56] <bigcalm> Ah, I do enjoy having a shower in the work day
[16:57] <ali1234> Azelphur: you should just do full disclosure of the bug :)
[16:57] <ali1234> especially if it's a security bug
[17:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: nah, was just a minor usability bug
[17:00] <Azelphur> shauno: indeed, gotta love the authority stuff xD
[17:00] <ali1234> how the plugins work anyway?
[17:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: they wrote a wrapper around minecraft server
[17:01] <Azelphur> shauno: in my game servers / plugin development I don't do crap like that. I tell it like it is and everyones happy
[17:01] <ali1234> you should ask evilseph why he doesn't use BSD licence since it's clearly more suited to his ideals
[17:02] <Azelphur> yea, I'm banned now anyway xD
[17:02] <Azelphur> but I agree it does seem like they want BSD or WTFPL rather than GPL
[17:02] <Azelphur> although ultimately GPL is better in game server modding environments
[17:02] <Azelphur> speaking as someone who's been doing it coming on a decade now xD
[17:03] <ali1234> i don't see why
[17:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: because it stops crap like this from happening, game servers move fast and there's always updates and stuff that breaks things, bugfixes need to be contributable by everyone
[17:04] <ali1234> no it doesn't
[17:04] <Azelphur> it's kind of pointless having a development community where everyone is fighting over who owns the code
[17:04] <ali1234> using BSD stops things like this from happening
[17:04] <ali1234> because using BSD you make zero promises and ask for nothing in return
[17:04] <Azelphur> BSD lets people close source their code again?
[17:05] <ali1234> yes
[17:05] <Azelphur> yea, that's a bad thing
[17:05] <ali1234> using GPL doesn't stop people from doing it as you just found out
[17:05] <ali1234> it just causes arguments
[17:05] <Azelphur> so many plugin authors are kids that try and get away with bad things
[17:05] <BigRedS> ali1234: it's arguable whether it's a bad thing
[17:05] <ali1234> these people are all idiots for using the GPL when they clearly don't understand it and don't want it
[17:05] <BigRedS> it's another of those indefinitely long arguments
[17:05] <BigRedS> (if it was always a bad thing, nobody would ever do it)
[17:05] <Azelphur> ^ that I agree with :P
[17:05] <Azelphur> it does with SourceMod, any plugin that doesn't have the source code posted too gets removed
[17:06] <Azelphur> you arn't allowed to post plugin without source hehe
[17:06] <Azelphur> so it stops any malicious code surviving more than 5 minutes
[17:06] <Azelphur> and it allows for a plugin approval process too, another thing that works great in sourcemod
[17:06] <Azelphur> and it obviously allows for the whole GPL everybody working together stop raging about who owns your 100 lines of code thing.
[17:07] <Azelphur> as I say I don't have these problems with SourceIRC and it's GPL licensed, there's a few forks floating about
[17:07] <Azelphur> one guys writing a new core to have it connect as a server link rather than a client for example
[17:08] <ali1234> also every time you see a post complaining about the bug be sure to follow it up with a message saying "i have a fix but evilseph says i'm not allowed to post it. please take it up with him"
[17:08] <Azelphur> I'm banned lol
[17:08] <ali1234> do it on other forums lol
[17:08] <Azelphur> my evil open source ways are terrible
[17:08] <ali1234> start google searching for references to the bug
[17:09] <ali1234> follow up every single post about it everywhere on the whole internet
[17:09] <Azelphur> it's too minor for that
[17:09] <Azelphur> it was just a bug in stargate plugin that caused it to trigger NoCheats speedhack protection I think
[17:09] <Azelphur> so a small conflict between plugin A and plugin B
[17:10] <Azelphur> people are already taking the piss though, haha https://github.com/Seta00/craftbukkit-umad-edition
[17:10] <ali1234> not worth worrying about then is it?
[17:10] <Azelphur> yea it's not really about the bug, it's more about the way they treat the community
[17:11] <ali1234> wait, they are lgpl?
[17:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: no, craftbukkit (the actual modified server with the wrapper) is LGPL because it has to link to minecraft
[17:12] <Azelphur> bukkit (the plugin API) is GPL
[17:12] <ali1234> i don't even
[17:15] <ali1234> this somewhat reminds me of the way canonical deals with patches to their homegrown software like the software center
[17:16] <ali1234> they don't outright ban you at least
[17:16] <Azelphur> lol
[17:16] <ali1234> but i've seen complaints when people post patches and don't assign copyright because "now you've put the developer in an awkward position"
[17:16] <Azelphur> lol
[17:17] <ali1234> no, they put themselves in that position
[17:20] <kvarley> I want to be able to open up a dvd video and take 1 title from that dvd and make an iso out of that individual title. What software can I use to do this? I am having issues with DVD Shrink and wine.
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: vobcopy?
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: + some DVD authoring tool
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: I've heard there are some KDE tools
[17:22] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Thanks, I'll try that and devede
[17:22] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Yeah like K9Burn or something
[17:23] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Do you think Nero 4 Linux would be able to do that?
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> I don't know nero4linux
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> I tend to use free software
[17:23] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ah ok =)
[17:24] <_serial_> does handbreak record all the film too or can you set it to record a section?
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> _serial_: it can do a section, but it'll re-encode to MPEG4
[17:26] <_serial_> ah, thanks for that :)
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> _serial_: which you can't burn to DVD again (unless you re-encode to MPEG2, lots of quality loss)
[17:26] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Yeah I'm trying to avoid re-encoding cos if I use handbrake I'll have to re-encode back to mpg to put it on dvd
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: you can rip a title using mplayer -dumpstream dvd://1 I think
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: then you have a big MPEG2 stream you can burn to DVD using standard DVD-video authoring software
[17:27] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: That could be interesting
[17:28] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I'll give it a go
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: check  the -dumpfile option to set where it dumps the stream to
[17:38] <Azelphur> If I buy something from the software center, it's available to use on all my computers right?
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> No idea.. please ask launchpad.net/answers
[17:39] <ali1234> what you buy is tied to your ubuntu one account
[17:40] <Azelphur> cool :)
[17:40] <ali1234> i have no idea how it works for multiuser machines though
[17:41] <ali1234> i mean you could just go around to your friends, log in, download all apps, then they've got them all for free
[17:51] <kvarley> The dvd authoring tools on Ubuntu are extremely irritating.
[18:07] <shauno> totally proud of my laptop today.  forgot to bring my charger, it still managed a 10hr shift :D
[19:03] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/UbuntuUK :)
[19:30] <livingdaylight> Does Ubuntu still come with wubi as installation option for windows?
[19:30] <livingdaylight> very quiet in the room?
[19:31] <livingdaylight> did someone fart?
[19:31] <daubers> lo
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> *yawn*
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> going to bed early tonight I think..
[19:41] <StevenR> livingdaylight: yes, wubi is still there afaik.
[19:41] <StevenR> it'll even do the downloady bit these days
[19:55] <livingdaylight> StevenR: i think VB is a better way to go after all  - thanks
[20:03] <StevenR> livingdaylight: ok, that's an option too, then you can run both at once
[20:18] <popey> Evening all
[20:19] <brobostigon> evening mr popey
[20:20] <s-fox> Hello.
[20:21] <popey> hi s-fox
[20:22] <s-fox> Hello popey, how are you?
[20:22] <s-fox> Glorious evening here
[20:24] <popey> great
[20:24] <popey> installing Ubuntu for a friend.
[20:24] <s-fox> Good to hear.  Neat.
[20:26] <s-fox> What prompted your friend wanting to give ubuntu a spin popey? :-)
[20:26] <popey> She is a friend of my wifes, she asked my wife what I would recommend because she doesn't like windows
[20:26] <popey> wife told her I would recommend ubuntu
[20:27] <popey> she went off to look at ubuntu.com and came back saying "yes please"
[20:27] <s-fox> Ah I see, cool.
[20:27] <popey> I offered to install it for her
[20:27] <popey> I didnt do any "sales pitch" to her at all
[20:28] <czajkowski> no davemor2
[20:28] <czajkowski> i feel cheated
[20:35] <StevenR> popey: awesome :)
[20:36]  * StevenR was doing Ubuntu-support-in-return-for-dinner at the weekend :)
[20:36]  * TheOpenSourcerer will be "outside" tomorrow. Playing Golf :-)
[20:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am now trying to focus and get in the zone.
[20:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Beer.
[20:37] <brobostigon> :)
[20:52] <xapel_> is there an ubuntu manual somewhere for 11.04?
[20:53] <DJones> !manual | xapel_
[20:53] <popey> 10.10 sadly
[20:53] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[20:53] <popey> bigcalm: pong
[20:53] <bigcalm> Sorry :)
[20:53] <popey> np
[21:47] <MooDoo> hello all
[21:53] <daubers> lo
[22:01]  * daubers misses having access to a decent telescope
[22:45] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well everyone,
[23:07] <popey> stgraber: do you ship some kind of software to restrict web access in edubuntu?
[23:44] <Azelphur> anyone know how I fix ssh always asking for "Enter passphrase for key '/root/.ssh/id_rsa':"