[00:39] yay. Ubuntu Natty onna 1.8" usb harddisk. [06:37] morning all [07:25] see you shortly. [07:25] wrong room ;-) [07:26] ttfn [07:56] morning all [08:11] Morning all! [08:11] epp, sore throat, must be the dreaded ubuflu [08:12] mornin' [08:12] yeah, I have that too, and I'm not even there! [08:12] can you get ubuflu via irc? [08:13] its very contagious and we are a tech orientated people, i would say of course! [08:22] Morning all [08:24] chief popey [08:24] captain gord [08:24] et al [08:24] * exobuzz has some morning chip music .. http://freemusicarchive.org/music/4mat/Blip_Festival_2011-4mat/ [08:39] * popey updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/NextMeeting [08:40] Good morning peeps :) [08:40] hay, i want to shift from lucid to 11.04, how should i backup the packages? [08:42] Happy birthday bigcalm [08:45] Thank you popey :) [08:45] optimusP: just upgrade to maverick (10.10) first, then to natty (11.04) [08:45] I shall be 0x20 for the day [08:45] bigcalm: congratifications :) [08:45] Thank you MartijnVdS :) [08:47] MartijnVdS, i want to switch to studio, will that matter? [08:52] Can I import csv contacts from windows mail into evolution? [08:53] Probabbly, if it supports a csv import [08:55] Interoperability, is the name of the game [08:56] ~ the game I want to play with you [08:57] morning all [08:58] Hi MooDoo [08:58] hows it going bigcalm ? [08:59] Feeling old(er) [09:00] Working late into the night without any MineCraft makes Jake a dull boy [09:00] :D [09:00] lol [09:00] ♥ minecraft ♥ [09:01] who;s played with the big ball thing yet? [09:01] nah [09:01] Katamari Damacy? [09:01] not really interested in that [09:01] MartijnVdS, yeah [09:01] Humf, 1.7 isn't out yet [09:08] Morning [09:09] Afternoon [09:09] Evening [09:10] Night [09:11] Is tesco.com's grocery section a little br0ked atm? [09:19] Morning all. o/ [09:19] hello selinuxium [09:20] How are things? [09:22] Anyone using unify every day? I am and quite enjoying it. [09:22] Unify? [09:22] thunderbird 5 with the conversation plugin is really nice, think i'll replace evo with that [09:23] conversation plugin? [09:23] it makes it act like gmail [09:23] ahh, the sort-of-threading [09:24] threading is a pain often, especially with longer threads [09:25] yeah, I've a few where the indentation in the message list is longer than my monitor is wide... [09:25] I like it for my business email [09:28] i'm using it with tabs, which is nice too - normally not a huge fan of tabs [09:30] gord: That explains the 10 Firefox windows. [09:30] jpds, no no no, i have ONE firefox window with one, maybe two tabs. i'm very tidy! [09:30] Unity... sorry big [09:33] ahh, yeah I'm using it at work [09:34] not sure I 'enjoy' it, but i've nothing against it [10:02] anyone seen google+ yet? [10:03] Not me [10:04] How does one use dig to aquire all DNS records for a given domain? [10:04] dig @nameserver domainname axfr i think [10:06] Yay, thank you :) [10:06] no worries [10:17] bigcalm: it's entirely likely that the nameserver wont let you axfr though [10:17] Dear VM SuperHub, you are a PoS. [10:18] Lost lan connections as well that time [10:18] bigcalm: I wrote this to guess subdomains configured on a domain: https://github.com/BigRedS/avi-utils/blob/master/subdomains [10:18] it's a bit, uh, crude [10:24] BigRedS: cheers, dig showed sub domains [10:26] . [10:29] o/ [10:29] ubuntu has crashed 3 times already today :( [10:30] something really wrong here [10:30] on boot the load average is 8+ and cpu usage ~50% [10:31] dogmatic69_: what's a 'crash'? [10:31] and what's your memory usage like ( free -m )? [10:31] mouse stops working, kb etc [10:31] freezes [10:31] can you ssh in to it? [10:32] X seems to like doing that on O [10:32] right now... Mem: 8000 1937 6063 [10:32] its fun [10:32] the load is a combination of CPU, Memory and I/O, so if CPU is down then memory or I/O are logical next suspects [10:32] BigRedS: no need to ssh, im on it now :D its a desktop [10:32] Ah, but once it's frozen [10:32] well it does funny things [10:33] last one i was typing cd /some/p and then it did ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp and carried on till i rebooted [10:33] last night i was chopping wood in mc, and then it froze, but guy was still walking forward chopping [10:33] Hmm apparently I have a Google+ invite and I go to plus.google.com and it tells me they're overcapacity now...bah... [10:33] good morning everyone, [10:34] JGJones: yeah, apparently more space next week :/ [10:34] sup brobostigon [10:34] dogmatic69_: hmm, peculiar. I'd ssh in when it does that and see what's going on [10:34] morning dogmatic69_, nought much. you? [10:34] BigRedS: no other pc to ssh in with [10:34] ah :( [10:34] brobostigon: fighting a broken ubuntu install :? [10:35] its 10.10 btw [10:35] dogmatic69_: whats broken? [10:35] i just uninstalled a few thigns, see if that helps [10:35] brobostigon: keeps locking up and then have to reboot [10:35] seeming very sluggish too [10:36] dogmatic69_: ok,what does dmesg, and syslog, and xorg.log say, ? any indications ? [10:36] htop says 350 tasks running, load 4.x, one cpu at 15% others at 5% [10:36] holly shit balls [10:38] tail -f /var/logs/* -> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1944363349 [10:38] ahem [10:38] !language [10:38] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [10:39] it does not stop doing that [10:39] :/ [10:40] Have a look at top [10:40] You'll see what's taking the most [10:40] * bigcalm suspects xorg [10:41] npviewer.bin [10:41] 19% cpu [10:41] FLASH! [10:41] aaahhhhhhaaaaaaaa! [10:41] Aaaaaah, he'll kill every one of us [10:42] Gordons alive?!?!?!?! [10:42] saviour of the universe [10:42] not doing anything, just chatting here... cpu upto 40% now [10:42] Do you have a web browser open? [10:42] one tab in ff for the paste [10:43] and chatzilla [10:43] ok [10:43] why sendmail [10:43] happy birthday bigcalm [10:44] there is loads of sendmail processes running and starting/stopping [10:45] Thank you hoovie :) [10:46] killed the sendmail stuff and load is down to 1.x [10:46] 0.9 now [10:46] 0.7... so that was doing crazy stuff [10:47] now that tail -f of logs is not continually showing new stuff [10:47] i installed sendmail-bin the other day to send emails with php [10:47] http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-UK/237328659623076 3 more likes to the vanity URL [10:49] load back to 0.01 with ff open and flash playing [10:50] how do i sort out this sendmail thing now? i need that for testing my email sending scripts [10:51] dogmatic69_: what's your problem? [10:52] hoover: seems like, ive installed sendmail-bin for sending mails in php, and that was doing crazy stuff... doing tail -f /var/logs/* produced something like http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1944363349 [10:53] millions of logs per second, load was 8+ and then would just crash after about 30min [10:53] i killed sendmail and now things seem stable again. [10:53] are you on ubuntu or some other distro? [10:53] ubuntu 10.10 [10:53] latest updates [10:53] I'd recommend postfix [10:53] it's a drop-in replacement for sendmail [10:54] and php mail() will work? [10:54] yep [10:54] do you have php mail() set up to use a local mta? [10:54] like "localhost"? [10:54] idk [10:54] I think I remember php mail() can also send mail by itself [10:55] i just did apt-get install sendmail-bin and then it worked [10:55] anyway, get rid of sendmail first and replace it with postfix [10:55] done [10:55] then, from the command line, try sending a testmail [10:55] as root: [10:55] /etc/init.d/postfix restart # just to make sure it's running [10:55] then [10:56] date | mail -s "test mail with postfix" [10:56] I think you can also use stop postfix ; start postfix with 10.10 (upstart) [10:57] if sending mails from the command line works, so should php mail(). [10:59] psst... Google+ ftw [10:59] * brobostigon wonders when his invitation, is goin to come along. [10:59] * hoover signed up for an invite yesterday, too [11:00] <-- has an account and can invite people :D [11:00] while I'd love to see fb dead as much as the next guy, I doubt g+ will achieve that [11:00] judging by buzz & orkut, it won't take much to be considered a success === midoubleko_ is now known as midoubleko [11:01] true ,-) [11:01] ;-) [11:02] Mez: yes please. :) [11:02] * brobostigon gets Mez a crate of beer. [11:03] * MooDoo is waiting for his invite his mate sent, they are throttling invites though [11:03] MooDoo: I can invite instantly :d [11:03] Mez, :( pah! :) [11:04] merriam, :) [11:04] Mez, :) [11:05] MooDoo: you having a stroke? [11:05] Mez, yes sorry :) instantly, when you said that i died :) [11:08] hm. tmux & PuTTY are a bit of an odd combo. somewhere along the line, something's replacing all utf characters with dead puppies. this doesn't make me happy [11:08] I am interested in G+ if you have spares :) [11:08] * BigRedS is too :) [11:09] shame G+ doesn't work on google apps accounts ☹ [11:10] heh, I heard that [11:10] seems a little awkward [11:10] AIUI they use different infrastructure [11:11] so not surprising that new crack isnt deployed to the apps servers [11:12] * dogmatic69_ has google+ [11:13] Hm. I've migrated a bunch of users from one box to another by moving the /etc/[passwd|shadow] entries. I've run chpasswd to make all the passwords good, and pwck and pwconv to make sure there's no issues with hashing etc. but i still can't su to any user, or log in as any user [11:13] I think I still have a million wave invites [11:13] Oh well :) [11:13] auth.log is pretty empty - just logs a connection opened and then immediately closed [11:14] heh wave [11:14] retro [11:14] anyone got any ideas what i've mised? [11:14] do they have valid shells? [11:15] d'oh [11:15] :/ [11:15] they're all /bin/false :) [11:16] don't think that'd affect su, but it'd affect regular logins [11:16] mm, normally su doesn't mind [11:16] I've just set one of them to /bin/bash and I can su to it now [11:17] but if I switch it back it reverts to just not letting me su [11:17] Can anyone here answer a question about dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config in ubuntu 10.04 LTS. It seems that the configuration written here for MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS= is broke. [11:17] Normally, I would want to leave this blank, so I thought. [11:17] BigRedS: have you checked /etc/shells? [11:17] are you using su - [11:17] But, I can only send mails via Exim4 when it looks like MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS=* [11:18] Dear VM, go die in a fire. Grr [11:18] hm, su isn't letting me switch to accounts with /bin/false either [11:19] Is anyone even using Exim? It seem the mail server of choice is postfix. [11:19] can't answer for anyone else, but postfix here [11:20] hoover: aha! I hadn't :) [11:20] * BigRedS gets more coffee [11:20] this is the problem with rushed migrations... they're rushed [11:26] Hi. Does anyone have knowledge of the ext filesystem? I am trying to figure out how to find the directory file from the info in superblock and group descriptor block. [11:29] BigRedS: indeed ;-) [11:46] the google+ circles, is certainly closer to the persmissions, i think facebook should have. [11:47] permissions* [11:48] Google Plus doesn't work for me :( [11:48] even though I have been invited [11:49] :( [11:49] the android app, is pretty slick. [11:49] shame about the widget. [11:51] brobostigon, played with the new skype for android yet? video calling? [11:51] it is silly, like the buzz widget. [11:51] MooDoo: i havent, no. [11:52] hm. where are the g+ invites coming from? [11:52] shauno: i got mine from Mez. [11:53] MartijnVdS: google apps account? [11:54] dutchie: that's one problem, but it doesn't work on my normal account either [12:15] the new google bars, etc, are in ipv6.google.com. [12:26] I love when you have an escalation path 8 people deep .. and none of them answer the phone :) [12:26] ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone [12:27] I really want to send an email saying "when it beeps, press the green button". but they're in malaysia, so I've no idea how rude it'd sound === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [12:35] shauno: wow 8 people not answering the phone sounds like fun [12:36] totally. highlight of my morning [12:37] but wait, if they're in malaysia, it should be working hours [12:37] 7-8pm I think [12:37] ah, probably commute time. [12:38] atleast, I think they share singapore's timezone. if not, they're not gonna be far either side of === chrisccoulson is now known as chrisccoulson_ === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [13:38] can anyone field my question about the exim configuration? [13:40] JGJones: I believe i have sent you one. [13:53] ShawnBeasley: sorry, I know my way around postfix and sendmail a bit, but no exim... [13:53] hoover: yeah this seems to be the consensus :( [13:53] I do not know what is inviting about Exim, maybe just the name or the fact that it seems impossible. [13:53] again, sorry, but I think postfix is so much easier to configure [13:53] hehe [13:54] it's probably a question of what you're used to [13:54] * hoover once owned the 1,000 plus pages sendmail manual [13:54] subtitled "operating dental powertools on yourself" [13:54] oh, the o'reilly book of course, silly me [13:55] m4 macros, config files that looked like modem line noise... fun. [14:01] does anyone have any stats on what percentage of Ubuntu or Linux installations use a 64-bit kernel, pelase? [14:03] http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ [14:04] hoover: Understand. Thanks anyway [14:05] that is however inaccurate, as you have to have popularity-contest installed. [14:06] all surveys are innacurate [14:07] quite, [14:12] don't even seperate i586 and i686 [14:12] :/ [14:12] or lower ones [14:12] yet there is a ZX Spectrum? [14:12] ;/ [14:13] the ZX does appear to be flatlining [14:13] laters all [14:14] shauno: such a shame ;) [14:14] I wonder what "unknown" is? [14:15] perhaps the popcon version simply isn't on the c90 spectrum builds for space reasons :p [14:21] dogmatic69, ta - got your email :) [14:21] nice [14:21] is it working for you? [14:30] anyone managed to get a google+ account yet? [14:30] yes, [14:30] stupid google [14:31] what an irritating way of generating hype [14:31] brobostigon: any chance you could try the "share an item via email" trick to my gmail address to see if I can then get an account? [14:31] it's apparently working again [14:31] andatche: whts your email ? [14:32] brobostigon: pm :) [14:32] TY [14:32] ok, [14:32] is this some hack to get an invite? [14:32] yup [14:32] or just to flush one out? [14:32] if it works, I will obviously share :) [14:36] I kinda fancy playing with plus, but I don't actually have any friends, so not sure it'll work so well :) [14:41] popey: ping [14:51] bigcalm: pong [14:54] popey: mc server needs updating ;) [14:56] bigcalm: Just because 1.7 is out :) [14:57] Correct! [14:57] .... [14:57] did you have to say that? [14:57] I resisted the urge to fire it up all day just fine. [14:57] bah [14:58] * JGJones switch to doc editing on tablet...THAT can't play MC :) [14:58] keep on resisting. let someone else find the next 5 patches first :) [14:58] Just don't right click on sheep with an empty hand [14:58] I guess that'll be fixed in 1.7.1 [14:58] I saw that...worst advice to give anyone. [14:59] (crashes the game) [14:59] Don't = DO IT! [14:59] Yep [14:59] I started a new world to see what would happen [14:59] What about pistons lifting above 128 block limit at sky? [15:00] Give me time! [15:01] Actually, I'm waiting for popey to update his server [15:01] ;) [15:01] 1) I can't connect until he does [15:01] 2) /give is simpler to do in SMP [15:02] heheh [15:02] That's true...surprised there's no /give mod for SP (well probably there is, but I've not looked :)) [15:03] 2011-06-30 15:03:09 [INFO] Starting minecraft server version Beta 1.7 [15:04] well get on with it now bigcalm! ;-) [15:04] :P [15:04] Once mc.net returns [15:08] mc login server broken? [15:13] minecraft 1.7 out, and it still ships the broken old lwjgl ;) [15:14] ☺ [15:14] JGJones: 'single player commands' is your single-player /give (and moar) [15:14] good job i don't have a displayport-based monitor on my laptop [15:25] google+ is showing as a possible sync source, for google apps, ie, my ubuntu-cym.org email. [15:29] Just noticed how messed up my connection was this morning by looking at an empty channel on another server [15:29] 10:16:51 disconnected [15:29] 11:17:00 disconnected [15:29] 12:17:07 disconnected [15:29] * bigcalm wonders what VM were playing at [15:29] hourly fun [15:40] *chuckles* 1.7_01 already [15:41] hah [15:42] last time, it was at .5 by time my shift finished. kinda glad I don' get to ride them out at home :) [15:42] release early, release often [15:42] release broken, fix often [15:43] a useful corollarly [15:43] I'm not sure if 5 build in one day, and then a couple of months of silence, is what the early/often mantra was going for [15:43] with correct spelling [15:45] and hope you never have to do a release like https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6 [15:46] heh [15:51] next crasher is an upward facing piston, with cobble on top, and a lever ontop of the cobble [15:51] punching sheep I understand, but how on earth do people find things like that? [15:56] some of those folks are probably qa engineers in their jobs? [15:56] so try all sort of daft things [16:05] heh, their irc channel gives the impression it's more of an infinite monkeys scenario [16:16] nigelb, OMG! [16:17] selinuxium: :) [16:20] didn't we have a postinst that did that once? [16:24] Anyone who uses/contributes to bukkit might want to take a nose at this, http://azelphur.com/content/why-you-should-avoid-bukkit-minecraft :p === denny- is now known as denny [16:28] rawr [16:28] I wonder how much drama I'd cause myself if I forwarded that one along to dinnerbone [16:28] shauno: do it :) [16:30] I'm not sure he's allowed to be mean to me, since I bought him for 30 cents at auction once [16:30] lol [16:32] shauno: what's your opinion on that though, you agree with me? :P [16:34] it's pretty funny how they try to act like I know nothing yet I've been in their business since before they even started xD [16:48] that log seemed pretty typical of trying to deal with anything like that on irc [16:48] I think the end result there had little to do with the actual complaint, and everything to do with you not bowing down to his authoratah [16:56] Ah, I do enjoy having a shower in the work day [16:57] Azelphur: you should just do full disclosure of the bug :) [16:57] especially if it's a security bug [17:00] ali1234: nah, was just a minor usability bug [17:00] shauno: indeed, gotta love the authority stuff xD [17:00] how the plugins work anyway? [17:01] ali1234: they wrote a wrapper around minecraft server [17:01] shauno: in my game servers / plugin development I don't do crap like that. I tell it like it is and everyones happy [17:01] you should ask evilseph why he doesn't use BSD licence since it's clearly more suited to his ideals [17:02] yea, I'm banned now anyway xD [17:02] but I agree it does seem like they want BSD or WTFPL rather than GPL [17:02] although ultimately GPL is better in game server modding environments [17:02] speaking as someone who's been doing it coming on a decade now xD [17:03] i don't see why [17:04] ali1234: because it stops crap like this from happening, game servers move fast and there's always updates and stuff that breaks things, bugfixes need to be contributable by everyone [17:04] no it doesn't [17:04] it's kind of pointless having a development community where everyone is fighting over who owns the code [17:04] using BSD stops things like this from happening [17:04] because using BSD you make zero promises and ask for nothing in return [17:04] BSD lets people close source their code again? [17:05] yes [17:05] yea, that's a bad thing [17:05] using GPL doesn't stop people from doing it as you just found out [17:05] it just causes arguments [17:05] so many plugin authors are kids that try and get away with bad things [17:05] ali1234: it's arguable whether it's a bad thing [17:05] these people are all idiots for using the GPL when they clearly don't understand it and don't want it [17:05] it's another of those indefinitely long arguments [17:05] (if it was always a bad thing, nobody would ever do it) [17:05] ^ that I agree with :P [17:05] it does with SourceMod, any plugin that doesn't have the source code posted too gets removed [17:06] you arn't allowed to post plugin without source hehe [17:06] so it stops any malicious code surviving more than 5 minutes [17:06] and it allows for a plugin approval process too, another thing that works great in sourcemod [17:06] and it obviously allows for the whole GPL everybody working together stop raging about who owns your 100 lines of code thing. [17:07] as I say I don't have these problems with SourceIRC and it's GPL licensed, there's a few forks floating about [17:07] one guys writing a new core to have it connect as a server link rather than a client for example [17:08] also every time you see a post complaining about the bug be sure to follow it up with a message saying "i have a fix but evilseph says i'm not allowed to post it. please take it up with him" [17:08] I'm banned lol [17:08] do it on other forums lol [17:08] my evil open source ways are terrible [17:08] start google searching for references to the bug [17:09]