[00:56] <wrst> cyberanger: how you doing?
[05:22] <Unit193> wrst: Looks like he didn't want to say howdy :(  Howja!
[14:11] <wrst> Unit193: I feel snubbed :)
[14:17] <vychune> o/
[14:17] <wrst> hello vychune
[14:18] <vychune> how are ya
[14:34] <wrst> vychune good how are you?
[14:35] <vychune> good watching anime b4 work
[16:15] <cyberanger> wrst: good, just poor timing on asking, right as I left for a support trip
[16:18] <wrst> ha ha sounds like business is good?
[16:32] <cyberanger> wrst: mixed, I'm having to look again, but my freelance is assisting nicely
[16:32] <cyberanger> again
[16:33] <cyberanger> I've been stacking the deck in my favor this time
[16:33] <Juzzy> you guys may find this interesting
[16:33] <Juzzy> http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/DDT_STRS2/NationalDiabetesPrevalenceEstimates.aspx?mode=DBT
[16:33] <Juzzy> compare diabetes map with the income map:
[16:34] <Juzzy> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/US_county_household_median_income_2008.png
[16:34] <Juzzy> the 2 are almost identically inverted
[16:34] <Juzzy> proves poor people have worse health
[16:35] <Juzzy> or lazy people make less money and poor health?
[16:40] <cyberanger> Juzzy: that isn't much suprising
[16:40] <cyberanger> part of it is diet differences
[16:40] <cyberanger> more sugar in durritos than stake
[16:47] <wrst> that's goood cyberanger
[16:47] <cyberanger> wrst: Diabetes isn't good
[16:48] <cyberanger> unless your referring to my whole, trying to tip the deck in my favor, yes that is
[17:07] <wrst> yes the deck not the diseases
[17:13] <cyberanger> lol
[18:01] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: see pm
[18:04] <cyberanger> aside from the forums, I think the loco has full access, and I'm working to ensure migrating over isn't as problematic as last time
[18:07] <Unit193> tsimpson is the bot master of ubottu
[18:07] <cyberanger> Unit193: I thought that nick was fimmilar from somewhere, that's what it was
[18:08] <cyberanger> Unit193: I guess your in that channel a good bit then
[18:09] <Unit193> cyberanger: Eh, I've been sticking in there for a little bit now... I do get to see anytime someone calls the ops and I think tsimpson has op of most ubuntu channels (There are even a few staff in there)
[18:12] <cyberanger> yeah, and our channel has a funny access rule, any ubuntu member with a matching cloak has op in our channel (that's something I have wondered if it's good or not, but figure more often than not, it is)
[18:13] <Unit193> Only 2 Ubuntu Members can in here. It's just all freenode staff that can
[18:16] <cyberanger> Unit193: have you seen our access list?
[18:17] <cyberanger> (and after looking at it again, the rule I was talking about has been purged, but idk by whom)
[18:18] <cyberanger> don't recall meeting nealmcb, which is why I asked
[18:20] <cyberanger> oh drat, seems my fail deadly switch tripped (well, fail safe switch, but it tripped the firewall rules that shut down the routes outside the lan)
[18:23] <Unit193> Wow... How did that happen?
[18:24] <cyberanger> well, I'm on the outside, remoting in, my guess, the IDS saw a big enough load
[18:24] <cyberanger> went into a failsafe load, since it was written to favor that, as a last resort
[18:25] <cyberanger> with a old, slow link to get some traffic out
[18:25] <cyberanger> including the alert message (how I know that tripped, vs the possibility of failing hardware)
[18:27] <Unit193> You should take a look at /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-us-oh list it has a few more than -tn (And I have no idea why on a few, I'll have to ask...)
[18:29] <cyberanger> Unit193: we don't edit ours much (first time in two years perhaps
[18:29] <cyberanger> and you have the golden rule there too
[18:29] <cyberanger>  *!*@ubuntu/member/*
[18:29] <cyberanger> the one we had
[18:31] <Unit193> We have a LoCo council of 3 so I can understand most of it, but not all... Now I just need to be an Ubuntu Member :P
[18:31] <cyberanger> or the identiy of one
[18:32]  * cyberanger plays scary music and works on evil laugh
[18:32]  * cyberanger for some reason misplaced scary music, settles for some Tool and SOAD
[20:03] <cyberanger> wow, things here went quiet
[20:04] <Unit193> They tend to do that... I'm pulling sites from FF history and I need an easy way to get the site title in batch mode, I'm about to write a simple script to do it for me :P
[20:05] <cyberanger> curl, grep and cut
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[20:07] <Unit193> That was my shot at starting people talking :/ My only next shot was saying anything about Unity (I like it would do it real good) ;)
[20:09] <cyberanger> Unity, I really don't want to beat a dead horse
[20:09] <cyberanger> but since unity isn't dead...
[20:45] <wrst> unity has potential
[20:46] <cyberanger> Gnome 3 has real potential though
[20:48] <Unit193> XFCE is going to take too long to use GTK3
[21:07] <wrst> I agree cyberanger and kde is really good just sadly not so much on kubintu
[21:14] <cyberanger> yeah, when your enviroment gets that out of hand, gotta move on
[21:14] <cyberanger> Unit193: good
[21:16] <Unit193> cyberanger: Makes it a pain to the Xubuntu folks though
[21:16] <cyberanger> it'd be a mistake to rush it in though
[21:17] <cyberanger> I mean, there should be some give and take
[21:17] <cyberanger> and one issue I see is overuse of purpose code
[21:17] <cyberanger> we're not talking libraries, or apis, but code meant for a purpose being overused
[21:19] <cyberanger> I've nearly got this code worked out
[21:20] <cyberanger> a real irratition, taken too long, needed oone good day to hammer out
[21:21] <cyberanger> Unit193: that's what the Failsafe switch was tripped for, IDS getting hammered
[21:21] <cyberanger> favors squid's offline mode and WAN links down over a breach spreading
[21:21] <Unit193> Ah
[21:22] <cyberanger> (I have mutiple lan's, and ham radio only networks, so tightening down the firewall between all of them is an ok move in this setup)
[21:24] <cyberanger> and it leaves one celluar link up, a boost mobile phone (that is too slow to really be much of a concern) and that's only to get the firewall's traffic out, nothing more
[21:24] <cyberanger> yes wrst, I've gone overboard on security, paranoid on it ;-)
[21:26]  * cyberanger is suprised the military doesn't have this kind of lock down in place ;-)
[21:28] <wrst> cyberanger: its good so the rest of us can ask you questions
[21:28] <Unit193> I'll just have him set mine up ;)
[21:34] <wrst> Unit193: that's even better!
[21:34] <electricus> what is the deal with html5 audio and video not working in firefox?
[21:37] <cyberanger> lol
[21:37] <cyberanger> electricus: what site?
[21:37] <electricus> my own
[21:38] <cyberanger> how have you enncoded things?
[21:38] <electricus> http://pastebin.com/inKMKewj
[21:38] <cyberanger> there is more than one html5 codec (well, there was more than one, but people are following an earlier draft, and it's still not even final)
[21:38] <electricus> it works in chrome but not in firefox
[21:40] <cyberanger> electricus: whatt firefox version?
[21:40] <electricus> i'm wanting iphone support, so i'm using the h.264/avc codec
[21:40] <electricus> i've tried 3.x, 4, and now 5
[21:40] <electricus> none work
[21:41] <cyberanger> that's your issue, your using a non-html5 codec (based on the current draft)
[21:41] <cyberanger> previous drafts had h.264 as an html5 codec, but firefox refused to implement it due to it's non-free nature
[21:42] <cyberanger> so you've got an iphone & non-html5 vs firefox & html5 issue
[21:42] <cyberanger> (chrome supported both, and afaik, was the only one to do so, and since it's still a draft, kept support for both (for now at least))
[21:43] <cyberanger> wrst: lol
[21:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: lol
[21:43] <cyberanger> it was alot of effort the first time, idk if I could do it twice
[21:43] <cyberanger> (I bet I could, but it's nowhere near simple)
[21:43] <electricus> ah. i see
[21:44] <Unit193> I just use keyfiles for my SSH
[21:44] <cyberanger> Unit193: same, and then some
[21:45] <Unit193> On alt port too
[21:45] <cyberanger> electricus: if I recall, there was a way that sites like youtube presented one of two files based on UA (if it had both)
[21:45] <cyberanger> Unit193: 2222 or 443
[21:46] <electricus> so you need  a script to identify the browser and then supply the properly encoded video?
[21:46] <Unit193> cyberanger: Nope, another port
[21:46] <cyberanger> electricus: me no, I ignore html5 entirely, since it's meerely a draft
[21:46] <cyberanger> but if you wish to support both browsers, yes
[21:46] <electricus> so you think it's not even ready for production at this point?
[21:47] <electricus> i thought it was mature enough by now
[21:47] <cyberanger> Unit193: ah, I hide it in plain sight, on 443 (too many firewalls allow it, block nearly everything else, and 443 is too much encryption to inspect)
[21:48] <cyberanger> electricus: the theroy behind it, yes, the people toying with it too often (since it is a draft, they will tweak it)
[21:48] <cyberanger> kinda adds some issues
[21:49] <cyberanger> and on top of that, html is open, if you learn it, you can do it
[21:49] <cyberanger> so there was a debate about a propetiary codec in an open standard
[21:50] <cyberanger> which caused that mess, mainly between apple and mozilla (with chrome on the sidelines supporting both, and microsoft behind when this first started, worked on enabling any feature in html5 before getting in that mess)
[21:52] <electricus> i see, so you have to use ogg container for firefox
[21:52] <cyberanger> um, not sure if it's ogg
[21:53] <electricus> i think so because it's open licensed with no royalties.  I'm reading that mozilla opted out of mp4 because licensing was too expensive
[21:53] <electricus> and chrome will ditch it eventually
[21:53] <electricus> it seems everything is going to WemM now
[21:53] <electricus> gee wiz.. i wish they would settle on something and stick with it
[21:53] <cyberanger> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Using_audio_and_video_in_Firefox
[21:55] <cyberanger> electricus: that's right, however, I wish they'd get it right, and take their time, becuase once it's final any issues will be more of a pain
[21:57] <electricus> cyberanger: thanks for the link.. that's exactly what i was looking for
[21:59] <cyberanger> electricus: see the bit about supporting mutiple videos, that's what I was getting at
[21:59] <electricus> ya.. that's cool
[21:59] <electricus> so with html5, you don't even need javascript to do browser detecting and such right?
[22:01] <cyberanger> it uses some sort of browser scripting, but I think it's more in browser than outside it (as javascript is)
[22:01] <cyberanger> the browser sorta tries all till it works
[22:07] <cyberanger> electricus: glad that helps
[22:41] <cyberanger> bbl