| ryjyd | right, so I don't know jack about jack, but I do know that if you can't get a server to run, you can't connect a client to it... ubuntu studio comes pre-jacked, does it not? | 02:46 |
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| holstein | ryjyd: jack should be installed by default | 02:47 |
| holstein | its part of the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage too | 02:47 |
| holstein | *if* you are running normal buntu, or any or the other variants... sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio | 02:48 |
| holstein | anyways.. whats the issue? | 02:48 |
| holstein | either its in the menu, or its no? | 02:48 |
| holstein | not* | 02:48 |
| holstein | ryjyd: are you trying to use JACK with an internal sound card? | 02:48 |
| ryjyd | holstein: well, most of it is there, but when running qjackctl, it's trying to attach to my midi controller?!... that has no speakers on it... | 02:49 |
| ryjyd | it should be trying to connect to an m-audio fast track usb... thingy... | 02:49 |
| holstein | actually, alsa is what is probably communicating with your midi hardware | 02:50 |
| holstein | ....anyways | 02:50 |
| holstein | ryjyd: if you would, unplug the maudio, and whatever else | 02:50 |
| holstein | close everything, and open a terminal | 02:50 |
| ryjyd | I am able to output via audacious to the m-audio unit (yeah, figured alsa was the rogue of the bunch... jealous of pulseaudio, prob...) | 02:50 |
| ryjyd | all but usb mouse is unplugged... term up | 02:51 |
| holstein | cool | 02:52 |
| holstein | run | 02:52 |
| holstein | gksudo qjackctl | 02:52 |
| holstein | and click on 'setup' | 02:53 |
| holstein | driver should be 'alsa' | 02:53 |
| holstein | you should see sample rate | 02:53 |
| holstein | set that to 441000 | 02:53 |
| holstein | there are 2 settings that we tweak | 02:53 |
| holstein | when you here folks talk about latency | 02:54 |
| ryjyd | still with ya | 02:54 |
| ryjyd | know about latency, yup | 02:54 |
| holstein | those are frames/period and periods/buffer | 02:54 |
| holstein | for now | 02:54 |
| holstein | set frames/period to 512 | 02:54 |
| holstein | and periods/buffer to 3 | 02:54 |
| holstein | then, save or hit OK | 02:54 |
| ryjyd | k | 02:54 |
| holstein | and get back out to the main window | 02:54 |
| holstein | hit 'start' | 02:55 |
| holstein | it should just start, and not throw any errors | 02:55 |
| holstein | is that true? | 02:55 |
| ryjyd | it is not... | 02:55 |
| holstein | what are the errors? | 02:55 |
| ryjyd | let me plug in the maudio... that's my "sound card" for now... 1 sec and i will retry | 02:55 |
| holstein | ryjyd: i think folks find it helpful to disable the internal card in te bios, if thats an option | 02:56 |
| holstein | ryjyd: when you get that plugged | 02:56 |
| holstein | go back to 'setup' | 02:56 |
| ryjyd | might be, might not... never had to try it until now... | 02:56 |
| holstein | you'll see 'interface' | 02:57 |
| holstein | hw:0 or something like that | 02:57 |
| holstein | there are *2* drop down menus there | 02:57 |
| holstein | one arrow pointing down | 02:57 |
| holstein | and one pointing right | 02:57 |
| holstein | you might actually see the maudio listed on the one pointing right | 02:57 |
| holstein | if you do, select it, and lets save, and try starting again | 02:58 |
| holstein | we *dont* want to run JACK as root (sudo) normally... this just helps us troubleshoot the hardware config without worrying with permissions | 02:58 |
| ryjyd | passed you 10 miles back... I really need to get into the habit of looking at the screen and rtfm and all that if I'm going to get back into linux, I'll tell ya | 02:59 |
| ryjyd | yup... it's def running now | 02:59 |
| holstein | ryjyd: OK | 02:59 |
| holstein | and thats utilizing the maudio correct? | 02:59 |
| holstein | if so, *stop* jack | 03:00 |
| holstein | close it | 03:00 |
| holstein | and open it as your normal user, and make sure its starts and runs | 03:00 |
| ryjyd | it "says" it is, but I haven't had the opportunity to test... I have a couple other similar options, which I would wager are channels "A" and "B"... hardware specific | 03:00 |
| ryjyd | I can just run anything that makes noise and jack it into jack, right? | 03:00 |
| holstein | ryjyd: yeah, lets assume all is well, and confirm as normal user | 03:00 |
| holstein | then, we'll make some noise :) | 03:01 |
| ryjyd | okay, did pretty much everything all over again, plus added a mic in, just in case for later... | 03:02 |
| ryjyd | that's as a normal user | 03:02 |
| holstein | OK | 03:02 |
| ryjyd | and it is "running" | 03:03 |
| holstein | what do you mean by 'added a mic in' ? | 03:03 |
| holstein | anyways... what we do is on the jack control panel, open 'connect' | 03:03 |
| holstein | then, open up something like yoshimi or zynaddsubfx | 03:03 |
| holstein | yoshimi if you have it* | 03:04 |
| holstein | you'll see yoshimi show up in JACK connect | 03:04 |
| ryjyd | there are two optional inputs ID'd as maudio, and three maudio outs... play with and see if it works | 03:04 |
| holstein | you connect the yoshimi outs on the left side to the main sound card outputs on the right | 03:04 |
| holstein | that might be done by default | 03:05 |
| holstein | then, you can go to yoshimi, and open the virtual keyboard from the menu, and make some sounds | 03:05 |
| ryjyd | didn't work... trying a different output... I think i know what to fix... 1 sec | 03:07 |
| holstein | yeah, its challenging to have a how to | 03:08 |
| holstein | all hardware is different really | 03:08 |
| ryjyd | agreed... nope, not getting it quite yet... | 03:10 |
| holstein | there are guys with that hardware over in #opensourcemusicians | 03:10 |
| holstein | im not sure what you mean by 'optional outputs' | 03:11 |
| holstein | i would leave those other settings in 'setup' to the defaults | 03:11 |
| ryjyd | optional, like "pick one of these"? a guy's gotta have options, right? | 03:11 |
| holstein | you want all the inputs and outputs of your device to be useable by jack | 03:11 |
| holstein | its not so much you pick one of the optional ones | 03:12 |
| holstein | i have 8 inputs | 03:12 |
| holstein | 10 actually | 03:12 |
| holstein | but i use the 8 xlr inputs a lot | 03:12 |
| holstein | all routed to ardour tracks | 03:12 |
| ryjyd | and you can see them all in jack? | 03:12 |
| holstein | right | 03:12 |
| holstein | they are just all 10 there | 03:12 |
| holstein | on both sides | 03:12 |
| holstein | all 10 ins and outs | 03:12 |
| holstein | that another reason why we want to use JACK | 03:13 |
| ryjyd | hmm... I gotta be not knowing what I'm seeing... | 03:13 |
| holstein | yeah, its something fiddly i bet | 03:13 |
| holstein | take a screen shot if you want | 03:14 |
| ryjyd | well, maybe a numbers game: | 03:14 |
| holstein | maybe you're not in the 'audio' tabe | 03:14 |
| holstein | tab* | 03:14 |
| holstein | when you click on 'connect' | 03:14 |
| holstein | that window that opens should have 3 tabs | 03:14 |
| holstein | audio, midi, and alsa | 03:14 |
| ryjyd | yeah, it's the audio tab... but check the weirdness out: if I say "hw:1", then I say "hw:1,1", what do I mean? | 03:15 |
| holstein | you want to route the audio outs of the software yoshimi to the audio ins of your soundcards physical outs | 03:15 |
| holstein | ryjyd: right, i say leave those default | 03:15 |
| ryjyd | default points to the internal soundcard... that's how I got into this fun part | 03:16 |
| holstein | not if you have the maudio chosen in the other drop down | 03:16 |
| holstein | there are 2 dropdown menus there | 03:16 |
| holstein | most folks just find the one | 03:16 |
| holstein | you should be on maudio hw:0 | 03:17 |
| holstein | if i had to guess | 03:17 |
| holstein | but, those can change | 03:17 |
| ryjyd | nope... hw:1, and hw:2 is the internal sound card... wonder what happened to hw:0 | 03:18 |
| holstein | right | 03:18 |
| holstein | but there is another drop down menu | 03:18 |
| holstein | with actual text in it | 03:18 |
| ryjyd | say... you don't suppose the midi controller was hw:0 do you? | 03:18 |
| holstein | right beside that | 03:18 |
| holstein | its got a > on it | 03:19 |
| holstein | thats where you'll see the actual word 'maudio' | 03:19 |
| holstein | when i use my maudio transit, i see it there | 03:19 |
| holstein | 'maudio transit' | 03:19 |
| holstein | ryjyd: what midi controller? | 03:19 |
| holstein | you are talking about the onboard midi on the maudio right? | 03:20 |
| holstein | thats running right now via alsa | 03:20 |
| holstein | you can have jack stopped, and use the connect area of jack to make alsa midi connections | 03:20 |
| holstein | so, no.. hw:0 was *not* the midi controller | 03:21 |
| ryjyd | akai pro lpk25... a usb keyboard, as in piano, not typing | 03:21 |
| holstein | if i were you... i would unplug *all* of that | 03:21 |
| holstein | get jack running and making noise with the internal card | 03:21 |
| ryjyd | maudio was all we were working with | 03:21 |
| holstein | then, you'll have some experience making sounds | 03:22 |
| ryjyd | just now, that is... had the lpk25 plugged in at first until you suggested otherwise | 03:22 |
| holstein | i see | 03:22 |
| holstein | still, i would say, get your feet wet with the internal card | 03:22 |
| ryjyd | agreed... I just have a bad habit of plugging all my toys in at once | 03:23 |
| ryjyd | (kids... sheesh) | 03:23 |
| holstein | or, ask over in #opensourcemusicians | 03:23 |
| holstein | i know some folks have that device | 03:23 |
| holstein | ryjyd: hehe | 03:23 |
| ryjyd | listen... you've been a big help, a good reminder and gave me a great start... the rest is just foolin with it | 03:24 |
| holstein | yeah, its just a lot to tweak all in one go | 03:24 |
| holstein | you'll get it | 03:24 |
| holstein | its fiddly at first | 03:24 |
| ryjyd | btw, I plugged the lpk25 in just now... there's my hw:0 | 03:24 |
| holstein | lol | 03:24 |
| ryjyd | figures... | 03:24 |
| ryjyd | holstein, thanks very much again... I will try my hand in that room and see what plays out... | 03:25 |
| holstein | sure... anytime | 03:25 |
| holstein | hey | 03:25 |
| holstein | ryjyd: im vaugely remembering someone saying that device needs 'force 16bit' | 03:26 |
| holstein | thats a checkbox in 'setup' | 03:26 |
| holstein | you can easily try it, and go back if you want | 03:26 |
| hop | hi | 21:31 |
| hop | everybody | 21:31 |
| hop | i have linuxmint9(ubuntu10.04) i search a good way to install all package like ubuntu studio | 21:32 |
| hop | to don't have problem server with jackd | 21:32 |
| hop | please little help (code source terminal) | 21:33 |
| hop | or a tutorial way | 21:33 |
| orngjce223 | !vanilla | 21:58 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 21:58 |
| orngjce223 | Those instructions should work OK with linuxmint too | 21:58 |
| orngjce223 | I tried it before in a VM with mint9 so nothing should be totally off | 21:58 |
| orngjce223 | At least it doesn't blow up, not sure I can guarantee anything more but it /should/ be fine. | 21:58 |
| orngjce223 | Oh, already left | 21:59 |
| orngjce223 | :/ | 21:59 |
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