[02:46] <ryjyd> right, so I don't know jack about jack, but I do know that if you can't get a server to run, you can't connect a client to it... ubuntu studio comes pre-jacked, does it not?
[02:47] <holstein> ryjyd: jack should be installed by default
[02:47] <holstein> its part of the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage too
[02:48] <holstein> *if* you are running normal buntu, or any or the other variants... sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio
[02:48] <holstein> anyways.. whats the issue?
[02:48] <holstein> either its in the menu, or its no?
[02:48] <holstein> not*
[02:48] <holstein> ryjyd: are you trying to use JACK with an internal sound card?
[02:49] <ryjyd> holstein: well, most of it is there, but when running qjackctl, it's trying to attach to my midi controller?!... that has no speakers on it...
[02:49] <ryjyd> it should be trying to connect to an m-audio fast track usb... thingy...
[02:50] <holstein> actually, alsa is what is probably communicating with your midi hardware
[02:50] <holstein> ....anyways
[02:50] <holstein> ryjyd: if you would, unplug the maudio, and whatever else
[02:50] <holstein> close everything, and open a terminal
[02:50] <ryjyd> I am able to output via audacious to the m-audio unit (yeah, figured alsa was the rogue of the bunch... jealous of pulseaudio, prob...)
[02:51] <ryjyd> all but usb mouse is unplugged... term up
[02:52] <holstein> cool
[02:52] <holstein> run
[02:52] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[02:53] <holstein> and click on 'setup'
[02:53] <holstein> driver should be 'alsa'
[02:53] <holstein> you should see sample rate
[02:53] <holstein> set that to 441000
[02:53] <holstein> there are 2 settings that we tweak
[02:54] <holstein> when you here folks talk about latency
[02:54] <ryjyd> still with ya
[02:54] <ryjyd> know about latency, yup
[02:54] <holstein> those are frames/period and periods/buffer
[02:54] <holstein> for now
[02:54] <holstein> set frames/period to 512
[02:54] <holstein> and periods/buffer to 3
[02:54] <holstein> then, save or hit OK
[02:54] <ryjyd> k
[02:54] <holstein> and get back out to the main window
[02:55] <holstein> hit 'start'
[02:55] <holstein> it should just start, and not throw any errors
[02:55] <holstein> is that true?
[02:55] <ryjyd> it is not...
[02:55] <holstein> what are the errors?
[02:55] <ryjyd> let me plug in the maudio... that's my "sound card" for now... 1 sec and i will retry
[02:56] <holstein> ryjyd: i think folks find it helpful to disable the internal card in te bios, if thats an option
[02:56] <holstein> ryjyd: when you get that plugged
[02:56] <holstein> go back to 'setup'
[02:56] <ryjyd> might be, might not... never had to try it until now...
[02:57] <holstein> you'll see 'interface'
[02:57] <holstein> hw:0 or something like that
[02:57] <holstein> there are *2* drop down menus there
[02:57] <holstein> one arrow pointing down
[02:57] <holstein> and one pointing right
[02:57] <holstein> you might actually see the maudio listed on the one pointing right
[02:58] <holstein> if you do, select it, and lets save, and try starting again
[02:58] <holstein> we *dont* want to run JACK as root (sudo) normally... this just helps us troubleshoot the hardware config without worrying with permissions
[02:59] <ryjyd> passed you 10 miles back... I really need to get into the habit of looking at the screen and rtfm and all that if I'm going to get back into linux, I'll tell ya
[02:59] <ryjyd> yup... it's def running now
[02:59] <holstein> ryjyd: OK
[02:59] <holstein> and thats utilizing the maudio correct?
[03:00] <holstein> if so, *stop* jack
[03:00] <holstein> close it
[03:00] <holstein> and open it as your normal user, and make sure its starts and runs
[03:00] <ryjyd> it "says" it is, but I haven't had the opportunity to test... I have a couple other similar options, which I would wager are channels "A" and "B"... hardware specific
[03:00] <ryjyd> I can just run anything that makes noise and jack it into jack, right?
[03:00] <holstein> ryjyd: yeah, lets assume all is well, and confirm as normal user
[03:01] <holstein> then, we'll make some noise :)
[03:02] <ryjyd> okay, did pretty much everything all over again, plus added a mic in, just in case for later...
[03:02] <ryjyd> that's as a normal user
[03:02] <holstein> OK
[03:03] <ryjyd> and it is "running"
[03:03] <holstein> what do you mean by 'added a mic in' ?
[03:03] <holstein> anyways... what we do is on the jack control panel, open 'connect'
[03:03] <holstein> then, open up something like yoshimi or zynaddsubfx
[03:04] <holstein> yoshimi if you have it*
[03:04] <holstein> you'll see yoshimi show up in JACK connect
[03:04] <ryjyd> there are two optional inputs ID'd as maudio, and three maudio outs... play with and see if it works
[03:04] <holstein> you connect the yoshimi outs on the left side to the main sound card outputs on the right
[03:05] <holstein> that might be done by default
[03:05] <holstein> then, you can go to yoshimi, and open the virtual keyboard from the menu, and make some sounds
[03:07] <ryjyd> didn't work... trying a different output... I think i know what to fix... 1 sec
[03:08] <holstein> yeah, its challenging to have a how to
[03:08] <holstein> all hardware is different really
[03:10] <ryjyd> agreed... nope, not getting it quite yet...
[03:10] <holstein> there are guys with that hardware over in #opensourcemusicians
[03:11] <holstein> im not sure what you mean by 'optional outputs'
[03:11] <holstein> i would leave those other settings in 'setup' to the defaults
[03:11] <ryjyd> optional, like "pick one of these"? a guy's gotta have options, right?
[03:11] <holstein> you want all the inputs and outputs of your device to be useable by jack
[03:12] <holstein> its not so much you pick one of the optional ones
[03:12] <holstein> i have 8 inputs
[03:12] <holstein> 10 actually
[03:12] <holstein> but i use the 8 xlr inputs a lot
[03:12] <holstein> all routed to ardour tracks
[03:12] <ryjyd> and you can see them all in jack?
[03:12] <holstein> right
[03:12] <holstein> they are just all 10 there
[03:12] <holstein> on both sides
[03:12] <holstein> all 10 ins and outs
[03:13] <holstein> that another reason why we want to use JACK
[03:13] <ryjyd> hmm... I gotta be not knowing what I'm seeing...
[03:13] <holstein> yeah, its something fiddly i bet
[03:14] <holstein> take a screen shot if you want
[03:14] <ryjyd> well, maybe a numbers game:
[03:14] <holstein> maybe you're not in the 'audio' tabe
[03:14] <holstein> tab*
[03:14] <holstein> when you click on 'connect'
[03:14] <holstein> that window that opens should have 3 tabs
[03:14] <holstein> audio, midi, and alsa
[03:15] <ryjyd> yeah, it's the audio tab... but check the weirdness out: if I say "hw:1", then I say "hw:1,1", what do I mean?
[03:15] <holstein> you want to route the audio outs of the software yoshimi to the audio ins of your soundcards physical outs
[03:15] <holstein> ryjyd: right, i say leave those default
[03:16] <ryjyd> default points to the internal soundcard... that's how I got into this fun part
[03:16] <holstein> not if you have the maudio chosen in the other drop down
[03:16] <holstein> there are 2 dropdown menus there
[03:16] <holstein> most folks just find the one
[03:17] <holstein> you should be on maudio hw:0
[03:17] <holstein> if i had to guess
[03:17] <holstein> but, those can change
[03:18] <ryjyd> nope... hw:1, and hw:2 is the internal sound card... wonder what happened to hw:0
[03:18] <holstein> right
[03:18] <holstein> but there is another drop down menu
[03:18] <holstein> with actual text in it
[03:18] <ryjyd> say... you don't suppose the midi controller was hw:0 do you?
[03:18] <holstein> right beside that
[03:19] <holstein> its got a > on it
[03:19] <holstein> thats where you'll see the actual word 'maudio'
[03:19] <holstein> when i use my maudio transit, i see it there
[03:19] <holstein> 'maudio transit'
[03:19] <holstein> ryjyd: what midi controller?
[03:20] <holstein> you are talking about the onboard midi on the maudio right?
[03:20] <holstein> thats running right now via alsa
[03:20] <holstein> you can have jack stopped, and use the connect area of jack to make alsa midi connections
[03:21] <holstein> so, no.. hw:0 was *not* the midi controller
[03:21] <ryjyd> akai pro lpk25... a usb keyboard, as in piano, not typing
[03:21] <holstein> if i were you... i would unplug *all* of that
[03:21] <holstein> get jack running and making noise with the internal card
[03:21] <ryjyd> maudio was all we were working with
[03:22] <holstein> then, you'll have some experience making sounds
[03:22] <ryjyd> just now, that is... had the lpk25 plugged in at first until you suggested otherwise
[03:22] <holstein> i see
[03:22] <holstein> still, i would say, get your feet wet with the internal card
[03:23] <ryjyd> agreed... I just have a bad habit of plugging all my toys in at once
[03:23] <ryjyd> (kids... sheesh)
[03:23] <holstein> or, ask over in #opensourcemusicians
[03:23] <holstein> i know some folks have that device
[03:23] <holstein> ryjyd: hehe
[03:24] <ryjyd> listen... you've been a big help, a good reminder and gave me a great start... the rest is just foolin with it
[03:24] <holstein> yeah, its just a lot to tweak all in one go
[03:24] <holstein> you'll get it
[03:24] <holstein> its fiddly at first
[03:24] <ryjyd> btw, I plugged the lpk25 in just now... there's my hw:0
[03:24] <holstein> lol
[03:24] <ryjyd> figures...
[03:25] <ryjyd> holstein, thanks very much again... I will try my hand in that room and see what plays out...
[03:25] <holstein> sure... anytime
[03:25] <holstein> hey
[03:26] <holstein> ryjyd: im vaugely remembering someone saying that device needs 'force 16bit'
[03:26] <holstein> thats a checkbox in 'setup'
[03:26] <holstein> you can easily try it, and go back if you want
[21:31] <hop> hi
[21:31] <hop> everybody
[21:32] <hop> i have linuxmint9(ubuntu10.04) i search a good way to install all package like ubuntu studio
[21:32] <hop> to don't have problem server with jackd
[21:33] <hop> please little help (code source terminal)
[21:33] <hop> or a tutorial way
[21:58] <orngjce223> !vanilla
[21:58] <orngjce223> Those instructions should work OK with linuxmint too
[21:58] <orngjce223> I tried it before in a VM with mint9 so nothing should be totally off
[21:58] <orngjce223> At least it doesn't blow up, not sure I can guarantee anything more but it /should/ be fine.
[21:59] <orngjce223> Oh, already left
[21:59] <orngjce223> :/