[00:00] <charlie-tca> You can even have Kubuntu,Ubuntu,Xubuntu,Lubuntu all installed at the same time
[00:01] <charlie-tca> n2diy: thanks for letting me know. Glad you got it working
[00:03] <NickJ> So software written for Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu will all work on the different desktop environments?  Ok, I am pretty new to Linux, so the three desktop environments must all be built on or be running 'on top' of the same shell or something?  I thought Gnome was a shell?
[00:04] <charlie-tca> they will all work together in Ubuntu and derivatives. Gnome is a desktop environment, KDE is also, and so is Xfce
[00:04] <knome> NickJ, gnome and xfce use the gtk toolkit, while kde uses the qt toolkit
[00:04] <NickJ> Ah, ok, thank you knome.
[00:05] <charlie-tca> If you install kde applications, it will cause the installer to pull what it needs of kde and qt to let it work
[00:05] <knome> NickJ, if you install a kde app, you will have to install/load qt libraries, which are not usually loaded with gnome/xfce
[00:06] <NickJ> One more question...I sometimes see software that has two versions, the GTK version and the Qt version, for instance in Ubuntu Software Center, there is a Sega Saturn emulator that has two versions: Gtk port and Qt port...I should always choose the Gtk one when I see stuff like that.  Thank you.
[00:07] <knome> NickJ, yes, if you are using xubuntu.
[00:07] <knome> NickJ, even if both work, the gtk version will need less additional dependencies, as well as look more integrated to the system
[00:11] <n2diy> will defraging a windows system screw up the Xubuntu system?
[00:11] <charlie-tca> It shouldn't, but a wubi installed Xubuntu could be
[00:12] <charlie-tca> A separate install won't be touched by defrag
[00:12] <n2diy> charlie-tca, it is a standard Windows, then Xubuntu install.
[00:13] <charlie-tca> You installed without using wubi, right?
[00:14] <n2diy> charlie-tca, right
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Then it won't affect the linux side of things
[00:16] <NickJ> Ah, ok, thank you very much knome, greatly appreciated. :)
[00:23] <yesitisjustme> can i use xubuntu with 256mb ram?
[00:24] <GridCube> yes
[00:25] <yesitisjustme> have you installed xubuntu with 256mb ram before?
[00:30] <knome> yesitisjustme, yes, that's been done
[00:31] <charlie-tca> yes, I have, it will run slowly
[00:32] <charlie-tca> You can use one application at a time, as long as you are not in a hurry
[00:33] <charlie-tca> Okay, time to go away for a while
[00:35] <yesitisjustme> xubuntu with 256mb ram will go slow?
[00:35] <knome> yesitisjustme, yes
[00:35] <charlie-tca> Yes, it will
[00:36] <yesitisjustme> ok
[00:54] <yesitisjustme> is gyachi on the repos?
[00:54] <knome> !info gyachi
[00:59] <KM0201> knome: hmm, i think there's a .deb of it somewhere
[00:59] <KM0201> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gyachi-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-using-ppa.html
[00:59] <knome> KM0201, the question was about repostories
[00:59] <KM0201> knome: i know that.
[00:59] <knome> :)
[01:00] <KM0201> yesitisjustme: if you've got 256mb of ram, try Lubuntu
[01:01] <yesitisjustme> ok thanks
[01:51] <inaety> How can I set up HDMI out on xubuntu?
[01:52] <orngjce223> Huh. I don't know the first thing about displays. You may want to ask either #ubuntu (for technical details) or #xfce (for where all the options are on the interface).
[01:53] <inaety> orngjce223, good idea
[01:54] <ochosi> inaety: what graphics card are you using?
[01:54] <ochosi> and do you only want to use it for video or also for audio?
[01:54] <orngjce223> Heh, I'm no good with actually doing things, I just know who else to ask :p
[01:54] <inaety> ochosi, video is enough. and hold on let me lspci
[01:55] <ochosi> orngjce223: :)
[01:55] <inaety> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)
[01:55] <ochosi> k, if you use intel you won't have a graphical interface like when using proprietary nvidia or ati graphics
[01:56] <ochosi> you can install something like arandr instead
[01:56] <inaety> ochosi, okay i am.  so this gui will let me handle it?
[01:56] <ochosi> yeah, should
[01:57] <ochosi> at least it's what my friends with intel graphics use
[01:59] <inaety> nice
[01:59] <inaety> so easy
[01:59] <inaety> it works greawt
[02:00] <ochosi> ok, nice, have fun with it ;)
[03:19] <gnoob> Hey, I have a problem with my wireless.  I can no longer get to the Internet from my home wireless.   The laptop connects fine and and my home PC is no connected to my neighbors wireless.
[03:21] <gnoob> I was also able to ping the router.
[03:21] <gnoob> We have not messed with any settings on the router but I checked it and it looks OK.
[12:32] <Guest64827> kto nit govorit po ruski?
[12:34] <knome> !ru | Guest64827
[12:57] <Aicasn> is flashplugin-installer broken on natty 64?
[12:59] <Aicasn> on mine it just installed a bunch of crap that doesn't do anything...no plugin present.   http://pastebin.com/vcE6kKEE
[13:01] <Aicasn> oh. i see why.  the URL is wrong in the package
[13:30] <thinkstu> peace be upon you all,
[13:30] <thinkstu> I have a fast question, I want to use a light ubuntu version, and I found Lubuntu and Xubuntu - I'm not sure what's the different can anyone give me a link or just let me know which on is faster ?
[13:31] <ochosi> that kinda depends on your processing power, if you have a fast/er pc you won't notice any difference, at least in my experience
[15:46] <mifos> hi:P
[15:47] <mifos> i have a small problem . I just install xubuntu 11.04 on vm and i want to put the classic display menu on it (with menu on the left up corner like classic ubuntu style) anyone know hhow i can do it :P?
[15:48] <charlie-tca> You should already have a menu there.
[15:49] <mifos> i have only 1. i want the menu with Applications Places System  like ubuntu
[15:49] <charlie-tca> Can't do it. Xubuntu does not use that menu. It is a gnome menu thing
[15:49] <mifos> a ok ty :)
[16:06] <hopecon> How can I pull newer packages into Xubuntu natty
[16:06] <hopecon> Is there a sid-like dist for Xubuntu?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> no
[16:12] <charlie-tca> you can run the update-manager or use terminal to update.
[16:12] <charlie-tca> If you need newer than natty, that is the development version, which is kind of unstable
[16:15] <charlie-tca> hopecon: we put out a new version of Xubuntu every six months with up-to-date packages. If you need things faster than that, you might want to look into compiling your own
[16:21] <hopecon> thanks, charlie-tca
[16:21] <hopecon> i'm mainly just looking for a newer release of bitlbee (irc to multiprotocol gateway) because of a change to twitter's auth schema that isn't present in the release that's in natty
[16:22] <hopecon> so i'll just do it the old school /usr/local way ;)
[17:08] <Guest77224> hello
[17:08] <Maxx640> Hello
[17:10] <Maxx640> I work as in GIS and would like to install GRASS
[17:10] <Maxx640> but I can't find how to do that on xubuntu
[17:10] <Maxx640> any body can help?
[19:33] <tuxx1> hello. how can I control my laptop's cpu freq in xubuntu?
[20:55] <charlie-tca> !info grass
[21:38] <EdgEy> Hello
[21:39] <EdgEy> My system (11.04) has stopped displaying window borders/mouse pointer, similar to if you kill metacity under gnome
[21:39] <EdgEy> Any ideas?
[21:40] <EdgEy> Also, nothing shows in panel, now I have xchat and firefox open and the application switcher is blank
[21:41] <TheSheep> looks like xfwm4 died, can you start it somehow?
[21:41] <TheSheep> alt+f2 works?
[21:42] <EdgEy> perfect, I couldn't really use firefox well enough to find out the name of window manager
[21:42] <EdgEy> thanks
[21:42] <EdgEy> it would load up in a box 200x200 :P
[21:53] <elros> do you have xfwm running?
[22:08] <n2diy_> Seven months ago I dual booted a "friends" laptop with Xubuntu 10.04 over Windows XP Tablet PC Edition. Yesterday, she had an issue with something, and deleted Xubuntu. Now she has a pet rock, and wants me to fix it. I'm at a grub rescue prompt, suggestions?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> what are you trying to do with it? Remove linux completely, make xubuntu work again, or just leave it with windows?
[22:10] <n2diy_> charlie-tca, save everything possible, nothing was backed up.
[22:11] <n2diy_> and reload Xubuntu.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> So, if /home was a separate partition, it is still there. Winodws xp is still there if you did not remove it.
[22:11] <n2diy_> Windows can be sacrificed.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Then look at it with a live cd, see what is there and what is not.
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Then you know where to reinstall xubuntu
[22:12] <n2diy_> charlie-tca, 10-4, I was thinking grub could be restored?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> not if xubuntu was deleted
[22:13] <charlie-tca> !grub
[22:13] <charlie-tca> That guide works to reinstall grub
[22:13] <orngjce223> If you /only/ want windows, though, you can just drop syslinux on there and have done with it
[22:14] <n2diy_> charlie-tca, but grub still exsists, I'm at a grub prompt!?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> But it will depend on what was actually deleted
[22:14] <charlie-tca> then follow that wiki page to make it work again
[22:14] <n2diy_> 10-4
[22:15] <n2diy_> Only Windows is not an option, only linux is. I don't reinstall viruses.
[22:17] <orngjce223> Mmm.
[22:21] <n2diy_> orngjce223, When I fix computers for folks, I tell them the problem is Windows, and Linux is the cure. So...
[22:23] <orngjce223> Hehe
[22:24] <Sysi> you could tell them to learn to google and actually find out how to use windows
[22:24] <elros> you could also tell them to defrag the hard drive
[22:25] <Sysi> n2diy_: hod did he remove xubuntu?
[22:25] <Sysi> *how
[22:25] <n2diy_> Sysi, no idea, I wasn' there.
[22:25] <n2diy_> wasn't
[22:26] <Sysi> uhm.. well you can install xubuntu back and set it to use old partitions, if they still exist
[22:27] <Sysi> but you should check what did he actually do
[22:30] <n2diy_> Sysi, I can't find out what she did, when she doesn't like what I tell her, she'll find any Tom, Dick or Harry off the street to do what she wants, and that is what happened.