[03:52] <ScottK> Yes ...
[03:52] <ScottK> But now he's not.
[09:22] <bambee> morning
[09:25] <valorie> if anyone wants a google+ invite, tell me or PM me your email address
[09:46] <debfx> ScottK: re release meeting: bug #800857 hasn't been fixed yet
[11:12] <bambee> yofel: you have told about python-kde4 yesterday, it's a mistake, I have to rename the source package to "pykde4" 
[11:33] <yofel> what I meant was the branch name on LP, but that's trivial to fix
[11:34] <yofel> but right, the package name is wrong too
[12:11] <Riddell> agateau: do you know anything about git's support for gpg signatures?
[12:12] <agateau> Riddell: nope
[12:12] <Riddell> ok
[13:11] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[15:11] <ScottK> debfx: Release team meeting is being canceled due to a conflict with closing meeting of the Canonical sprint that's on this week.
[16:50] <maco> alpha 2's next week? well crap
[16:50] <maco> i still dont know what to do about the keyboard crashyness on the installer
[17:32] <ScottK> Right about now would be a good time to get it sorted.
[17:34] <bambee> Play a dvd using phonon-gstreamer is just perfect!! seriously it rocks! :D
[18:34] <LaserJock> hmm, that burndown chart on the TODO is going the wrong way :-)
[18:39] <ScottK> Package splits for KDE 4.7 from upstream turn out to be a huge PITA.
[18:39] <ScottK> Of course it's mostly a one time effort, but it's certainly distracting from other things.
[18:46] <LaserJock> I bet
[18:46] <LaserJock> will they change again after 4.7?
[18:49] <ScottK> I hope not.
[18:49] <ScottK> I'd guess minor changes for 4.8 and then who knows what's next after that.
[18:54] <yofel> well, on the good side we're >50% done, although the copyrights are still a headache
[18:55] <yofel> bambee: if you want some easy packaging tasks: 4.6.5 was tagged. Shouldn't be more work than copying the 4.6.4 packaging over and doing some QA
[18:59] <yofel> at least it seems Dirk didn't mess up the application versions in 4.6.5 this time
[19:06] <shadeslayer> Copyright (C) 2001 The Kompany <= hahahaha
[19:06] <yofel> hm, good idea, put that into smoke and I'm happpy
[19:06] <yofel> or kappy
[19:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: since I can't find someone that does, could you look at the upstrem copyright for libkdeedu?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> sure, i'll have a look at it after kamera
[19:08] <yofel> I added L/GPL which is fine for most files, but there's some qtmmlwidget source from nokia whose copyright I don't get
[19:09] <yofel> (or at least where the hell to get that LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt from)
[19:13] <yofel> somehow I'm wondering if we're the only distro  that care about those files...
[19:15] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:16] <yofel> I don't get how the others are shipping smokeqt/kde though which don't have any copyright, didn't that equal being proprietary in some world?
[19:18]  * yofel isn't good with licenses
[19:18] <ScottK> yofel: Did you see pykde and smokegen uploaded to Debian?
[19:19] <yofel> I did, I'll resync smokegen later, and I told bambee to look at pykde
[19:24] <yofel> ScottK: btw. is there an upload mailing list like our -changes for debian?
[19:24] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:24] <yofel> couldn't find one last time I searched for it
[19:24] <ScottK> "Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers" <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org> gets all the Qt/KDE ones.
[19:25] <yofel> thanks
[19:26] <shadeslayer> yay, kamera missing COPYING file
[19:30] <yofel> hm, we can probably just sync kross-interpreters
[19:30] <yofel> I'll look at it
[19:37] <yofel> has no debug package, but looks fine otherwise (EXCEPT for the missing copyright copies)
[19:38] <ScottK> We'd have a dbgsym package, so I think no debug package is fine.
[19:38] <ScottK> If copyright was good enough for Debian, it's good enough for us.
[19:38] <yofel> true
[19:43] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kross-interpreters] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (9 files in 3 dirs) Add split packaging
[19:44] <ScottK> I would suggest maybe we ought to go ahead and start uploading what's split so far.
[19:44] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kamera] Rohan Garg * 1 * (10 files in 3 dirs) Initial packaging for kamera
[19:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: i think you missed something in kross-interpreters, might be wrong tho
[19:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: as in?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> well .. from what i've seen, we usually have 10 files in 3 dirs
[19:45] <yofel> not really, it has only one install file though
[19:46] <yofel> changelog compat control copyright krosspython.install rules source/format
[19:46] <shadeslayer> right, with one install file, i have 10 files
[19:46] <shadeslayer> aha
[19:46] <shadeslayer> nvm
[19:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: i also have debian/docs
[19:47] <yofel> see :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> wel, now i have to think whether to keep it or not ^_^
[19:51] <yofel> well, kross doesn't have anything to put into docs
[19:54] <shadeslayer>  /usr/share/doc/kamera/README << i'll leave that 
[19:54] <bambee> yofel, ScottK: pykde4 has been uploaded into ninjas 3 hours ago :)
[19:54] <ScottK> OK.
[19:54] <bambee> everything is synced with debian git
[19:54] <yofel> good :)
[19:55] <bambee> ;)
[19:57] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kamera] Rohan Garg * 2 * debian/changelog Minor fix to the changelog
[20:05] <bambee> Is it easy to rename a repository on launchpad ? (I am asking this question for ~kubuntu-packagers/python-kde4)
[20:27] <yofel> bambee: sure, open the branch -> details, there's a field for the  branch name
[20:28] <bambee> could you do it please ? (I've not the rights for that) Then I will propose a merge :)
[20:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://qt.digia.com/en/license-agreements/
[20:37] <yofel> bambee: renamed
[20:37] <yofel> (as long as lplip didn't ignore me)
[20:37] <yofel> *lplib
[20:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: that is one weird license i tell you
[20:39] <yofel> agreed
[20:51] <yofel> ScottK: what packages are we going to try to get into main? I'm not convinced it makes sense for all of them. (If we keep cantor in universe for example we could build the R backend)
[20:52] <ScottK> yofel: I think for now try to match what we had before and then go back and re-evaluate stuff like that after the first pass is done.
[20:53] <yofel> k
[20:55] <shadeslayer> kdegames might have to be moved into universe if we want granatier
[20:56] <yofel> I believe we have something of that in the default install, so that's a problem
[20:56] <yofel> I don't know for sure though
[20:57] <shadeslayer> ah, then in that case, we will have to drop granatier because iirc libopenal failed a MIR
[20:57] <yofel> which I would say we do, or we check if we really need games in the default install
[20:58] <ScottK> Why can't just that be in Universe?
[20:58] <yofel> ScottK: not split
[20:58] <ScottK> Oh.
[20:58] <ScottK> We touted getting a game onto the CD in the last release.
[20:58] <ScottK> I think it'd be better not to drop it if we can avoid it.
[20:58] <bambee> yofel: thanks
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i guess we will have to drop granatier from the archives then
[20:59] <yofel> we could try to pre-split granatier...
[20:59] <ScottK> For now.
[20:59] <ScottK> (drop for now)
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ^^
[20:59] <yofel> heh
[21:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: how did you handle documentation copyright?
[21:07] <yofel> the docs are usually under GFDL, check the docbook source
[21:07] <yofel> there should be a 'FDLNotice' line or so
[21:08] <shadeslayer> yeah, but what version is that?
[21:08] <shadeslayer> 1.2 or 1.3 ?
[21:09] <yofel> if I open the handbook for konsole 4.6 it links to 1.2, not sure how
[21:09] <shadeslayer> well ... i'd say it gets that from kdelibs
[21:10] <yofel> hm, it links to help:/common/fdl-license.html
[21:10] <shadeslayer> ok, in neon its 1.2
[21:10] <shadeslayer> so 1.2 it is
[21:10] <yofel> right, kdelibs
[21:11] <bambee> https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4/+merge/66652 :)
[21:17] <shadeslayer> please review : http://paste.ubuntu.com/636537/
[21:17] <shadeslayer> oh hold on
[21:18] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/636539/ << this one
[21:18] <yofel> about that Format line... I read the part of dep5 again,  and I believe that needs to be a Vcs line with the exact version of the spec.
[21:19] <yofel> like the example has
[21:19] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[21:19] <yofel> I used
[21:19] <yofel>  21 Format: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/dep/web/deps/dep5.mdwn?view=markup&pathrev=174
[21:19] <yofel> for cantor for example
[21:19] <yofel> s/21//
[21:19] <kubotu> yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[21:20]  * yofel douzes lava over kubotu
[21:20] <ScottK> s/douzes/douses
[21:20] <ScottK> s/douzes/douses/
[21:20] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "s/douses/douses"
[21:20] <shadeslayer> ok done
[21:20] <shadeslayer> hahaha :P
[21:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: anything else?
[21:21] <yofel> oh right, thanks
[21:21] <yofel> nope, seems fine
[21:25] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 5 * debian/ (10 files in 2 dirs) resync with debian
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: debian has 4.7 ?
[21:27] <yofel> they are working on it, and they have parts of 4.6.80/90 in experimental
[21:27] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:27]  * shadeslayer will have a look
[21:27] <yofel> I just used kross-interpreters directly from debian for example
[21:27] <yofel> and  dpalacio was working on smoke and qtruby
[21:28] <yofel> MoDaX on pykde
[21:30] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kanagram] Rohan Garg * 1 * (9 files in 3 dirs) Initial packaging for kanagram
[21:32] <shadeslayer> nothing for me
[21:32] <yofel> :P
[21:32] <yofel> feel free to ask them
[21:32] <shadeslayer> do they have a status wiki page?
[21:32] <yofel> no idea
[21:51] <bambee> "Launchpad encountered an internal error during the following operation: generating the diff for a merge proposal.  It was logged with id OOPS-2008MPJ2.  Sorry for the inconvenience."  WTF ? o_O
[21:55] <yofel> -> #launchpad
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, think it's time to remove the council election bit from #kubuntu's topic? My #kubuntu tab turning red on startup getting a bit annoying :P
[22:03] <ScottK> Not shutting down would also stop that problem, but I agree.
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> I loves me some Team Fortress 2, so I need windows from time to time
[22:05] <apachelogger> using a quassel core then
[22:05] <JontheEchidna> nevar!
[22:05] <apachelogger> using a bnc then
[22:06] <apachelogger> ah right, konversation has problems with that :P
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> Sho_ uses a BNC regularly, so some work properly
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> I've just been too lazy + don't have a suitable server
[22:06] <apachelogger> some(tm)
[22:08] <yofel> agreed though, but Quintasan is absent, and not sure why debfx is MIA
[22:09] <apachelogger> debfx: y u no here?
[22:09] <apachelogger> I miss you :'(
[22:11] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: heh, TF2 is a *huge* game, i'm downloading it myself these days
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> It took me nearly 24 hours myself
[22:12] <apachelogger> I am proper geek
[22:12] <apachelogger> I be writing me games myself
[22:12] <apachelogger> in BASIC
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> are your games 11 GB?
[22:12] <apachelogger> 2 million lines of BASIC for a horse
[22:12] <yofel> c2tarun and Tonio are MIA too :(
[22:12] <apachelogger> suffice to say most of my games feature ponies, so it is reusable 2 million lines of BASIC
[22:12] <yofel> why would anyone use BASIC? Use Java!
[22:12] <apachelogger> dude
[22:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can i shoot the pony?
[22:12] <apachelogger> today
[22:12] <apachelogger> we shall not talk about java
[22:13] <apachelogger> srsly
[22:13] <shadeslayer> and does the pony have a ... MEDIC :P
[22:13] <apachelogger> actually
[22:13] <apachelogger> lets not talk about java until next week
[22:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Your skype status says Java is the love of your life
[22:13] <apachelogger> just to be sure
[22:13] <apachelogger> we would not want people to have a nervous break down or something
[22:13]  * yofel gets a java gl error when trying to play minecraft in oneiric :(
[22:13] <apachelogger> that is no surprise
[22:13] <apachelogger> yofel: you should mail the c2tarun and the tonio
[22:14] <apachelogger> also tell the tonio we have free beer, maybe it helps
[22:14] <yofel> lol
[22:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer
[22:14]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> yofel: I had that, but I fiddled around with upgrading mesa via xorg-edgers, but then after an update that broke again and I downgraded to the repo versions and things worked
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> I'm not quite sure that the upgrades actually helped
[22:14] <yofel> hm
[22:14] <yofel> I'll fiddle around tomorrow
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> xorg-edgers seemed to work, but then it broke, and then the repo version worked again
[22:15]  * apachelogger could also fiddle around a bit
[22:15] <apachelogger> kinda boring right now
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> yofel: Yesterday I found 56 coal in a vein, and fell in to lava while mining them. :( I was barely under the surface and was not expecting lava.
[22:16] <yofel> lol
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> lost a new diamond shovel and pick
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> and 3 powered rail, which I don't know why I was carrying in the first place
[22:16] <yofel> then again, I was pushed into a lava lake by zombies in the nether last week, lost my compass and watch :(
[22:17] <apachelogger> :O
[22:17] <apachelogger> at least shadeslayer had the decency to make up excuses for not doing anything useful
[22:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[22:17]  * apachelogger fears the ScottK's comment on all this talk of zombies and mining and stuff
[22:18] <yofel> hmpf, I did package too, so calm down
[22:18] <yofel> but minecraft is a pretty good medicine for broken copyrights -.-
[22:18] <apachelogger> nono, fiddeling helps there
[22:18] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[22:18] <yofel> in your case :P
[22:19] <apachelogger> I dunno, plenty of people seem to get quite a relieve out of fiddeling around
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> Check out my kickin' rad automated minecart station: http://i.imgur.com/6eg83.png http://i.imgur.com/PTUZW.png http://i.imgur.com/KUxYm.png
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> (Note that neither the desert base nor the tracks to where it will be exist)
[22:21] <yofel> :O
[22:21] <yofel> heh
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> The location switched use a redstone NOR latch to switch the tracks
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> *switcher
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> There's a minecart pez dispenser underground that gives/receives carts
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> I dug a 10x10 hole 9 deep for that room
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> still trying to figure out how to make it creeper-proof, while still being able to enter
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> pistons should help with that
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> I can use a detector rail to activate a sticky piston to pull a creeper-blocking block up from over the rail entrance/exit
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> Well, another day. I've already sunk 7 hours in to that station total, and there's packaging to do
[22:29] <shadeslayer> heheh
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> I'm waiting for optifog and optimine to update before upgrading to 1.7
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> With them I can usually get 30 FPS on Short render distance
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> otherwise I only get ~20
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> which is passable, but not very nice. It makes combat a bit hard too
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> Where do I grab 4.6.90 tars?
[22:40] <yofel> ftpmaster/unstable
[22:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ftp.kde.org or ftpmaster
[22:41]  * JontheEchidna grabs kolourpaint
[22:41] <yofel> oh, I think I know why minecraft stopped working
[22:41] <yofel> [    11.297] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X
[22:42] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[22:42] <yofel> why does kwin work though o.O
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> xrender fallback?
[22:43]  * yofel reinstalls nvidia
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> XRender is really not bad these days. I had KWin effects working on a Debian VirtualBox and you could barely tell the difference
[22:44] <yofel> erm...
[22:44] <yofel> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf to provide /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i386-linux-gnu_GL.conf (i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf) in auto mode.
[22:45] <yofel> alt_ld.so.conf is empty
[22:45] <shadeslayer> yep, if only they could get those fancy effects to work :)
[23:16] <debfx> apachelogger: I am here, sort of
[23:16] <yofel> meh, forgot to add COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS to cantor
[23:20] <yofel> uh, does someone know where that file is supposed to be from? It wasn't in kdeedu either