[00:00] <dabarons> for the .sh .. had to make it executable
[00:00] <holstein> http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/the-simple-way-to-get-51-surround-sound-audio-working-in-ubuntu/
[00:00] <holstein> ^^ thats going to be relavant, but different now
[00:01] <dabarons> thats from 2007
[00:02] <holstein> right... thats why i want to imply that it could be different now
[00:02] <dabarons> yes ur correct
[00:02] <dabarons> alright i installed that game, but now how do i open it ?
[00:02] <holstein> again, without having that hardware in front of me, or the need for 5.1... im going to be limited by what i can help you with first hand
[00:03] <dabarons> ok
[00:03] <holstein> dabarons: if its not in the menu, hit alt+F2
[00:03] <dabarons> it said it would make menu items
[00:03] <holstein> and type the name
[00:03] <holstein> it??
[00:03] <holstein> the installer?
[00:03] <dabarons> it installed
[00:03] <dabarons> but the installer went away
[00:04] <dabarons> i know where the files
[00:04] <holstein> OK
[00:04] <dabarons> ./home/user/hon
[00:18] <dabarons> got it working yay
[00:18] <dabarons> but alt tab doesnt work...
[00:18] <holstein> whats it supposed to do?
[00:19] <holstein> for me, in gnome, alt tab selects between windows on that workspace
[00:19] <dabarons> alt tab
[00:19] <dabarons> i dunno
[00:19] <holstein> lol
[00:19] <holstein> then how do you know its not working?
[00:19] <dabarons> there is a default action i see in ubuntu but in the game it didnt work
[00:20] <holstein> could be a bug
[00:20] <dabarons> on to real matters..
[00:20] <dabarons> the second screen is working but how can i move something over to that screen
[00:21] <holstein> i just drag stuff over onto mine
[00:22] <dabarons> doesnt work for me
[00:23] <holstein> im sure if you'd elaborate as to what is going on, and what you want to have going on
[00:23] <holstein> maybe the orienation is off?
[00:23] <holstein> try dragging off the main screen in all directions
[00:23] <dabarons> i can move mouse to second screen
[00:24] <dabarons> just invisible wall to move other things
[00:24] <holstein> things?
[00:24] <holstein> what things?
[00:24] <holstein> open a terminal window
[00:24] <holstein> and move it over there
[00:26] <dabarons> doesnt go
[00:26] <holstein> i literally dont know what to tell yhou
[00:26] <holstein> you*
[00:27] <holstein> this is what i do though.. i literally google 'ubuntu version cant drag windows to second display'
[00:27] <holstein> http://fossplanet.com/f10/%5Bbug-777500%5D-%5Bnew%5D-i-cant-drag-windows-second-monitor-155993/
[00:28] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/777500
[00:28] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 777500 in ubuntu "I can't drag windows to second monitor" [Undecided,New]
[00:28] <dabarons> someone else has it it seems...
[00:28] <holstein> sure, and im not using 11.04
[01:23] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, http://www.tzclock.org/
[01:32] <sw0rdfish> whats the best way to start apache2
[01:32] <sw0rdfish> "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" OR just "service apache2 start"
[01:33] <holstein> sw0rdfish: 10.04?
[01:33] <sw0rdfish> 10.10
[01:33] <sw0rdfish> hehe
[01:33] <sw0rdfish> I'm using one on my  desktop
[01:33] <sw0rdfish> lappy.
[01:34] <sw0rdfish> I mean its Maverick installed in a laptop...
[01:34] <holstein> i dont remember having to start it in 10.04
[01:34] <sw0rdfish> well no I mean I did stop it
[01:34] <holstein> is it not running post install?
[01:34] <holstein> AH...
[01:34] <sw0rdfish> but I dunno I'm guessing it starts when you boot the system as root?
[01:34] <sw0rdfish> if it does then i'll just do it with sudo
[01:35] <holstein> im seeing /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[01:36] <froq> any of you guys using CONKY?!
[01:37] <sw0rdfish> conky?
[01:37] <sw0rdfish> heh
[01:37] <sw0rdfish> anyhow holstein thanks :)
[01:37] <froq> sw0rdfish, you not a fan?!  why not?!
[01:38] <holstein> i have used conky
[01:39] <froq> holstein, done with it already huh?  I think it looks awesome!  just looked @ it for the first time last night.  on mac, I used geektools
[01:39] <holstein> froq: done with conky?
[01:39] <holstein> i just dont really need it anywhere
[01:39] <holstein> conky is one of those things i cant quit messing with and tweaking
[01:40] <froq> holstein, yeah, are you done with it.  I just think it looks cool lol.  that is the only reason I do it.
[01:40] <holstein> yeah? i think its a nice way to monitor the system at a glance
[01:42] <froq> the documentation for it all sucks though
[01:42] <holstein> for conky?
[01:42] <froq> holstein, yeah
[01:42] <holstein> froq: its challenging maintaining documentation
[01:43] <holstein> im sure no one would get upset if you volunteer to help with documentation :)
[01:43] <froq> holstein, you are probably right. lol... see I have never had to maintain any, I have only had to read it.
[01:43] <froq> holstein, i gotta figure it out first.
[01:43] <froq> holstein, making me put my foot in my mouth bro. :(
[01:43] <holstein> froq: :)
[01:45] <froq> you know i really like that windows8 mockup.
[01:54] <froq> so i recently went dual screen guys, however I upgraded one of my screen sizes to 24in and the other is 20in, and wow it makes it hard to scale wallpaper across then.
[01:54] <froq> them*
[01:55] <holstein> yeah, i got luck with mine, it works OK
[01:55] <holstein> you can always go with a solid color ;)
[01:55] <froq> holstein, is that what you did or you got two same size?!
[01:56] <holstein> i know you can have different ones per workspace... differnt ones per screen would be cool
[01:56] <holstein> froq: mine just looks OK as is
[01:56] <holstein> TBH, im not that worried abou tit
[01:56] <holstein> about it* ;P
[01:56] <froq> haha
[01:56] <froq> so you just have two different photos
[01:57] <froq> ?
[01:57] <holstein> nah, its just one that looks ok when its squished
[01:58] <froq> holstein, haha!
[01:58] <st33med> Speakin of puppies. My puppys were fed peanut butter
[01:59] <froq> who is speakin' of puppies?!
[03:31] <Jester_>  Hey have any of you got a wusb54gs usb network adapter to work on ubuntu 10.04? I have been searching for a good write-up for days and everything I have tried does not work.
[03:41] <stlsaint> Jester_: nope sorry
[03:43] <froq> Jester_, yeah same here, nvm.... I did a while ago back in 8.04 days, but haven't touched it since then & don't remember anything now. :(
[04:11] <froq> do you guys have a preference between twinview and xinerama?!?!  I am running an nVidia graphics card and attempting to determine how I wish to set up my dualscreens.
[07:03] <fuzzeoly> hi, i'm trying to install ubuntu v 11.04 for the first time, i've verified my md5 and checked disk with no errors found, i've also tried to run with nomodeset but still no luck
[09:02] <benonsoftware> Hay all.
[09:03] <benonsoftware> I was wondering are there any mentors here?
[09:03] <bioterror> sure
[09:03] <bioterror> tor-mentor
[09:03] <bioterror> can I help you, benny? :)
[09:03] <benonsoftware> Does anyone want to teach me?
[09:04] <benonsoftware> I was looking for a mentor for bugs and dev.
[09:04] <bioterror> I saw some mails on list, what are you after?
[09:04] <bioterror> me no bugs and dev
[09:04] <bioterror> but still I like your "nickname" ;)
[09:07] <benonsoftware> benny or benonsoftware?
[09:07] <bioterror> benny ;)
[09:07] <bioterror> I share the same first name
[09:07] <benonsoftware> Cool :)
[09:07] <benonsoftware> It was lucky I got the LP nick for that.
[09:08] <bioterror> yeah, I didnt use it ;)
[09:08] <bioterror> I've tried to not use my realname anymore as I used to
[09:08] <benonsoftware> I hardly ever use my First and Lastname but first name ok
[09:08] <benonsoftware> Know anyone in bugs or dev that could mentor me?
[09:08] <bioterror> we have dev rather full atm.
[09:09] <benonsoftware> Sorry?
[09:09] <bioterror> all the dev mentors are having hands full of mentees
[09:09] <benonsoftware> Oh ok.
[09:09] <bioterror> it's rather difficult
[09:10] <bioterror> I took one apprentice or how it is said who is interested in developing and I guided him for a start and he's doing some projects with another mentor
[09:10] <benonsoftware> Sounds good.
[09:10] <bioterror> benonsoftware, come to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[09:10] <benonsoftware> ok
[09:56] <truepurple> How can I set all my windows url links to use a different icon then the text file one?
[10:01] <benonsoftware> XP?
[10:15] <truepurple> Revising the question- How can I set all my windows url links to use a different icon then the text file one under ubuntu gnome?
[10:16] <benonsoftware> Try #ubuntu
[10:18] <truepurple> i did
[10:19] <truepurple> I think its too technical for them or something
[10:20] <benonsoftware> Not for them :)
[10:20] <truepurple> Well noones replying anyway
[10:20] <benonsoftware> Try #gnome them
[10:21] <head_victim> What do you mean by "windows url links" ?
[10:22] <benonsoftware> I'm not sure either. NOthing to do with Windows I think
[10:22] <truepurple> the icon next to web address, when you drag it to a desk top or folder it creates a link to that webpage, this done under windows is what I mean
[10:22] <truepurple> What would you call it?
[10:22] <benonsoftware> Web Icon maybe?
[10:23] <truepurple> Normally ubuntu gnome doesn't open it, but I got coding instructions to get it to do so
[10:23] <truepurple> But these links still look like text files and are hard to visually tell apart
[10:23] <head_victim> Ah you'd have tofind an icon to deal with it and associate it
[10:24] <truepurple> I got a icon, how do i associate it? and all web links, not one
[10:24] <benonsoftware> Right click propities -> icons?
[10:24] <truepurple> right click a web link?
[10:24] <head_victim> I can easily change the whole set, just looking up how to add one into it
[10:25] <truepurple> I didn't understand the second half of that sentence.
[10:25] <benonsoftware> I think his searching
[10:25] <head_victim> I think benonsoftware has it, just right click the file you want to add the icon to, click on the current icon and it will open the "select custom icon" window to allow you to associate a different icon to the file.
[10:26] <benonsoftware> Well thats what APC Mag told me :)
[10:26] <truepurple> head_victim: That only changes the icon of one link
[10:27] <benonsoftware> How many do you have?
[10:27] <truepurple> I want all of them to use a icon to visually separate them from textfiles
[10:27] <truepurple> I don't know how many I have, maybe hundreds?
[10:27] <benonsoftware> What's the extension?
[10:28] <truepurple> But if I could just associate the file type...
[10:28] <truepurple> .url
[10:28] <benonsoftware> Have a look in  /usr/share/icons for the image file
[10:29] <truepurple> and if I find it?
[10:30] <head_victim> truepurple: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150393 might help
[10:31] <benonsoftware> What version again sorry?
[10:31] <benonsoftware> truepurple: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/changing-icons-577194/
[10:31] <truepurple> That first thread is too difficult for me to understand
[10:31] <truepurple> version of what?
[10:32] <benonsoftware> Never mind. I know your using Ubuntu 11.04 right?
[10:33] <truepurple> yes
[10:33] <benonsoftware> Good how was the second link?
[10:34] <benonsoftware> What's your launchpad username truepurple?
[10:34] <truepurple> It says system > preferences > themes, but I can't find themes
[10:34] <truepurple> launchpad?
[10:35] <benonsoftware> https://launchpad.net truepurple you on it?
[10:35] <truepurple> No, not familar with that site
[10:35] <benonsoftware> Oh ok
[10:36] <truepurple> creating a account now
[10:37] <truepurple> Do you log in with your user name or email address?
[10:37] <benonsoftware> Email
[10:38] <truepurple> damn annoying password requirements
[10:38] <benonsoftware> Yes.
[10:38] <benonsoftware> I used my normal password but capiliszed
[10:39] <truepurple> dang, now that human verification recapture things giving me trouble
[10:40] <truepurple> gotit
[10:40] <benonsoftware> Why? Are you a bot? :)
[10:40] <truepurple> Please repeat input
[10:41] <benonsoftware> hay!
[10:41] <truepurple> straw!
[10:41] <truepurple> Ok I am registered, now what?
[10:42] <benonsoftware> What you username
[10:42] <truepurple> truepurple
[10:42] <benonsoftware> Thanks.
[10:43] <benonsoftware> Go to https://launchpad.net/people/+me and then tell me what the URL is.
[10:43] <truepurple> Now what? How does this help me solve my problem?
[10:45] <truepurple> benonsoftware: ?
[10:45] <benonsoftware> Yep?
[10:46] <truepurple> What does any of this have to do with getting the icons mass changed?
[10:48] <truepurple> benonsoftware: You there?
[10:48] <truepurple> head_victim: Can you help me?
[10:49] <head_victim> The only thing I could find was the link I already posted
[10:51] <truepurple> But that link, I can't understand it
[13:13] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[13:13] <kristian-aalborg> http://edtake.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/ubuntu-lucid-lynx-wireless-keep-dropping/
[13:14] <kristian-aalborg> can someone please tell me if this has been fixed? It's absolutely crucial... the only thing that would keep me from putting 10.04 on a certain box
[13:14] <kristian-aalborg> I've done a few installations where this was an issue
[13:30] <kristian-aalborg> also, why can't I get on #ubuntu
[13:31] <bioterror> you tell us
[13:31] <bioterror> we cant see your irc lient
[13:31] <bioterror> client
[13:31] <kristian-aalborg> hi bioterror
[13:31] <kristian-aalborg> I just tried #ubuntu again, I join it fine now
[14:17] <balaji_> i have apache2 in my system. it is configured as apache will get started on boot. I dont need this, how to make this not to start on boot?
[14:33] <bioterror> r5
[14:38] <jimmie> Don't suppose anyone knows how to change the width of the unity launcher do they?
[15:31] <vlad___> hi all
[15:32] <vlad___> how can i start developing ubuntu
[15:32] <vlad___> ?
[15:34] <stlsaint> vlad___: hello
[15:34] <stlsaint> vlad___: that is a extremely broad question
[15:35] <vlad___> yes i know that
[15:35] <vlad___> i would like to work on software
[15:35] <vlad___> on ubuntu
[15:35] <stlsaint> vlad___: still broad
[15:35] <vlad___> like adding new features
[15:35] <stlsaint> vlad___: are you a programmer?
[15:35] <vlad___> yes i know well java and php
[15:36] <vlad___> any projects for php for example
[15:37] <stlsaint> vlad___: do you have an account on launchpad?
[15:37] <vlad___> yup
[15:37] <stlsaint> vlad___: you will probably want to join the bug squad then
[15:37] <vlad___> ok i joined few minutes ago
[15:37] <stlsaint> vlad___: when bugs are reported you can easily write a patch or feature and propose it to the program team,
[15:37] <vlad___> and the docs for ubuntu are huge so i am kind of lost
[15:37] <stlsaint> vlad___: you are a bug squad member?
[15:38] <stlsaint> vlad___: usually takes a bit of time, to become bug squad
[15:38] <vlad___> yup good idea for the bugs
[15:39] <stlsaint> vlad___: bug squad will get you the most hands on programming in my opinion
[15:40] <vlad___> mm nice
[15:40] <vlad___> will i have to learn python?
[15:41] <vlad___> also can i make some money fixing bugs
[15:45] <vlad___> i have to mkae my own page right?
[15:45] <vlad___> in order to work
[15:45] <stlsaint> vlad___: whoa no
[15:46] <stlsaint> vlad___: this is a volunteer community unless you go working for canonical or something, no pay here
[15:46] <vlad___> mmm ok just asking
[15:46] <stlsaint> vlad___: no you do not have to learn python and no you do not have to make your own website or anything
[15:47] <stlsaint> vlad___: you can join the channel #ubuntu-bugs to start asking questions about the team, but i suggest you read the wiki first
[15:47] <stlsaint> vlad___: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs
[15:49] <vlad___> ok will i fix bugs that i get in the ubuntu system
[15:52] <stlsaint> vlad___: you can fix bugs for ubuntu, debian, kubuntu, anybody
[15:52] <stlsaint> vlad___: but the ubuntu bug squad team is specific to ubuntu buugs really
[16:01] <vlad___> where can i find docs for canonical
[16:01] <vlad___> to work for
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[16:04] <holstein> vlad___: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers maybe ??
[16:08] <vlad___> thanks guys
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[17:58] <E3D3> How do I use a build.sh ?
[17:58] <holstein> use?
[17:58] <holstein> install?
[17:59] <E3D3> Yes, I need to install (Opera's Dragonfly for offline use)
[17:59] <holstein> sh /path/to/whatever.sh
[17:59] <E3D3> What does sh do ?
[17:59] <holstein> might need to make it executable
[18:00] <E3D3> Thanks, I forgot that
[18:00] <holstein> that particular one will install whatever that is you are talking about aparently
[18:00] <E3D3> Thanks for your help, I try again.
[18:01] <holstein> E3D3: sure... if you get an error, just paste it here or ubuntupaste
[18:06] <E3D3> holstein: Guess I need to quit this IRC-chat because its using Opera. Maybe later.
[18:07] <E3D3> I mean, I need to free/restart Opera etc.
[18:19] <E3D3> holstein: My installation seems to hang & only shows the msg : "ui-images in destination not empty". Guess its a specific Opera-problem/requirement ?
[18:20] <holstein> E3D3: hard to say... youd probably have to ask the maintainer
[18:21] <E3D3> Thought so although I a Noob, still thanks for your offer. Good day & luck.
[18:22] <holstein> E3D3: i find some things googling that
[18:22] <holstein> https://bitbucket.org/runeh/dragonfly-stp-1-screenwatcher/src/c591cd4fbf9a/tools/dfbuild.py for example
[18:23] <holstein> i cant imagine a browser plugin that would be difficult to install
[18:23] <holstein> not with the competition being so steep
[18:25] <E3D3> lol
[18:25] <holstein> ?
[18:26] <E3D3> I just quit using Mozilla after years fun.
[18:26] <holstein> yeah?
[18:26] <holstein> it just got fast again
[18:28] <E3D3> Could be but I'm really disappointed of the unfriendly/a-social attitude of the team.
[18:28] <holstein> i quit using it when it got slow
[18:29] <holstein> opera is nice though... i mostly use chromium, but i have FF, opera and midori installed and use them from time to time
[18:29] <E3D3> About the Dragonfly, I have the scope-version.
[18:33] <E3D3> Chrome is also Mozilla who's only interested in big money for Google-searching, so I try to avoid those. Sometimes I use Epiphany mostly Opera <= nice community/developers
[18:34] <holstein> i think the chrome and mozilla teams are quite seperate
[18:34] <holstein> i can understand your convictions though
[18:35] <holstein> i tend to use what works as long as its not actively totally evil
[18:37] <E3D3> I Agree with that.
[18:37] <E3D3> I just search the code & I see the used install path. Will try to experiment there a little bit.
[18:40] <E3D3> Funny, I see its Python-code. As a Dutch guy was I proud on its Dutch inventor. Was - because now he works for Google so I also stopped programming Python.
[18:48] <Tyr999999> Hi can someone help me with polipo?
[18:49] <Abhijit> Tyr999999, http://bodhizazen.net/Tutorials/TOR#Polipo
[18:54] <E3D3> Abhijit: May I ask you if that is your site/blog ? Hope I'm not rude.
[18:55] <Abhijit> E3D3, nope. its not mine. each time any tor related queary i give that link. its the finest one *I* know of!
[18:55] <Abhijit> E3D3, the website owner is here and his nick is bodhi_zaze n (to avoid unncessary highlight)
[18:55] <E3D3> Abhijit: You're great, thanks.
[18:56] <Tyr999999> Surprisingly Polipo works now, or at least it didnt crash. Tried several confs but neither worked
[18:57] <Abhijit> E3D3, :-)
[18:57] <E3D3> Abhijit: Yes
[18:58] <E3D3> Sorry, nevermind
[19:00] <holstein> i think python is great... im not a coder though... i say, the guys gotta eat, and he's gotta work somewhere... i personally dont volunteer at soup kitchens and live off my investments in chartible organizations though
[19:03] <E3D3> holstein: I understand but that developer preached a free world but now works for big money. For me it looks like collaboration/corruption although I know everyone has its limits/price etc.
[19:03] <Tyr999999> HOw i check if polipo is properly connected to tor?
[19:05] <Abhijit> Tyr999999, you may ping him the website owner. he knew all about this.
[19:07] <Tyr999999> Thx, but i just checked it works, via xenobite
[19:11] <Abhijit> :-/
[19:13] <Tyr999999> Hm?
[19:16] <bodhi_zazen> E3D3: poke
[19:30] <kristian-aalborg> LibreOffice or OpenOffice?
[19:31] <Abhijit> Libreoffice
[19:32] <E3D3> Libreoffice, because its 'more' open source. (I know its a bad explanation)
[19:34] <kristian-aalborg> yes, that's what I'm gathering, too
[19:34] <kristian-aalborg> but is it as stable ?
[19:38] <E3D3> Cant tell you because I use it very rarely, sorry.
[19:39] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-Cold-War-Between-OpenOffice.org-and-LibreOffice
[19:39] <kristian-aalborg> hairy stuff
[19:39] <kristian-aalborg> E3D3, neither do I. but I'm going to install one of them for someone
[19:39] <kristian-aalborg> this person is using OO for now, so perhaps I should stick with it
[19:42] <E3D3> I have a lot operation systems & on this also OO, its okay. I'm also interested in the topic but use OO not enough to bother for now. Good luck.
[19:44] <E3D3> Personally I dont like Oracle, neither most of its software, but ... love its Virtual Machine that I cant refuse.
[19:47] <kristian-aalborg> I have no strong feelings on Oracle... but this seems like one of the sadder forks
[19:47] <kristian-aalborg> and this is possibly *the* most seen by "casuals" OSS software
[19:48] <E3D3> I citate hollstein (above) : i tend to use what works as long as its not actively totally evil
[19:56] <E3D3> Can also tell that I never had any problem/crash with OO.
[20:00] <holstein> no java too right?
[20:00] <holstein> not that i actively hate java for any good reason other than unecessary overhead
[20:00] <E3D3> Me the same
[20:01] <E3D3> Half of Oracles's progs are bloated / heavy overhead but their Virtual Machine works great ?
[20:05] <E3D3> Another question: Since I started using Linux (mostly Ubuntu & derivates) I hardly learned anything because I don't need to. Everythings works, me to instead of cracking, R.E. etc. Guess I always have to come here for questions.
[20:06] <holstein> *have* to?
[20:06] <holstein> you dont have to... you get to :)
[20:06] <holstein> if you want
[20:07] <holstein> the wiki pages are really where its at.. thats a place to find help, and store helpful info for others as well
[20:08] <E3D3> I always be a Unix beginner if it doesn't force me. No excuse to program because there is enough better software.
[20:08] <E3D3> Don't misunderstand me, I LOVE UBUNTU since we met. Sometimes miss my old habbits, pretending to become smarter.
[20:10] <holstein> i think the goal of ubuntu is to be a desktop solution for anyone, and in that way, things become arguably more simplified
[20:10] <holstein> not necessarily hidden though
[20:11] <holstein> personally, i set up an ubuntu server box here at the house... headless... no X... so im forced to learn to do everything on and to that box in the command line
[20:12] <s-fox> Hello.
[20:12] <holstein> i would like to have a command line only install on a netbook, but im pretty far from qualified to pull that off (setting up wifi on the fly and whatever else)
[20:12] <E3D3> Ubuntu is to good sometime. Really, when I show my struggling friends my magic (like Compiz, Virtual Machine's) they think I'm a geek. They dont believe its really good & easy.
[20:13] <holstein> ubuntu is ubuntu all the time... if its appropriate for your needs is always up to you to decide
[20:13] <holstein> its challenging because 'good' and 'easy' can be such a matter of opinion
[20:14] <holstein> compiz is good to turn some heads, but the community is really what pulls me into ubuntu
[20:15] <E3D3> Its different versions & derivates are also great. Linux Mint is my favorite, SuperOS a nice second. Even giving LiveDVD's to my friends didn't convince them so they still buying & cant do anything. I guess greedy people get payed by their blindness ?
[20:22] <kristian-aalborg> E3D3, holstein is pure evil :P
[20:22] <E3D3> .WHAT, why ?
[20:22] <kristian-aalborg> just kidding around
[20:22]  * holstein makes fake devil horns with fingers ;)
[20:23] <E3D3> thought so but had to be sure.  :p
[20:23] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, remember DJ Sash? That !"#¤R( is playing a "concert" right outside my window now
[20:24] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i dont, but that sounds either pretty awesome, or loud and annoying
[20:24] <kristian-aalborg> hit major hit was "Equador"... circa 1998... also, "Encore en fois"
[20:26] <kristian-aalborg> but that was o/t, sorry
[20:26] <kristian-aalborg> I'm confused to what java is and isn't...
[20:27] <kristian-aalborg> just ran vrms and it only reported 0.02% back, so I'm doing pretty good it seems... trying to keep things "free" but I admit to caving in now and then
[20:28] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, CLI only? My kind of stuff :)
[20:28] <kristian-aalborg> give Debian a shot, it's aces with CLI... Ubuntu is good also, but Debian has a slight edge in that department I think
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[22:47] <holstein> anybody using a bluray burner??