| fta2 | unity 3d doesn't start this morning after an upgrade.. fallbacks to a half backed -2d | 08:07 |
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| fta2 | unity_support_test shows a "BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)" | 08:07 |
| desktop2 | hi | 11:32 |
| desktop2 | anyone there | 11:33 |
| desktop2 | hi | 11:33 |
| desktop2 | hi | 11:33 |
| micahg | pitti: re firefox-locale and breaks, it's not so simple, wouldn't it be possible to then remove firefox from the system on partial upgrades? | 14:47 |
| micahg | normally you'd have a depends and a breaks, do we still need the langpack to pull in the firefox locale in oneiric? | 14:48 |
| pitti | micahg: right, you'd need to upgrade it or remove it; I thought that's what you want? | 14:50 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ^ | 14:50 |
| pitti | micahg: yes, I think we need langpack depends: ffox-locale-XX, as otherwise nothing will pull in f-locale-X on upgrade | 14:51 |
| micahg | pitti: does language-selector not do any magic on upgrade? | 14:51 |
| pitti | no, l-s is not involved in the upgrade process | 14:52 |
| micahg | how do people get other language dependencies on upgrades? | 14:52 |
| pitti | they don't really | 14:55 |
| micahg | ok | 14:55 |
| pitti | only on fresh installs | 14:55 |
| pitti | or when they run language-selector | 14:56 |
| micahg | pitti: yeah, so I don't think breaks like that is going to work | 14:56 |
| pitti | micahg: once we fix bug 396414, this will get eaier | 14:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 396414 in language-selector "When KDE or gnome apps get installed, the corresponding language-packs should be pulled automatically" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396414 | 14:56 |
| pitti | easier | 14:56 |
| micahg | so, I'm just going to remove the depends on firefox unless we have a better solution before alpha2 | 14:56 |
| pitti | that seems fine | 14:56 |
| pitti | I don't think it breaks anything to have firefox 4 and ffox-locale-XX installed | 14:57 |
| micahg | worst case as far is firefox concerned is the langpack will be disabled until they upgrade to the proper version | 14:57 |
| micahg | pitti: right | 14:57 |
| pitti | but that's the kind of stuff you get with a partial upgrade | 14:57 |
| micahg | I think that's better than removing firefox out from under the user | 14:57 |
| pitti | fully agree; chrisccoulson didn't seem to like that | 14:58 |
| micahg | pitti: which piece didn't he like? | 14:58 |
| pitti | I'm not sure | 14:58 |
| pitti | probably being able to install ffox-locale with ffox 4? | 14:58 |
| micahg | yeah, not ideal since the user will lose the translations until they upgrade, but I think that's the lesser of the two evils | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | the issue with having incompatible versions installed is that we have users who keep installing the addon compatibility reporter, and that disables the compat check on language packs | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | so the old langpacks load and completely break the interface | 14:59 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: right, but the alternative is the possibility of uninstalling firefox in a partial upgrade | 14:59 |
| micahg | and if people install 3rd party addons, all bets are off in any event | 15:00 |
| micahg | (at least to the extent we can't be responsible) | 15:00 |
| chrisccoulson | right, but that doesn't mean we can't ignore it | 15:00 |
| chrisccoulson | we get quite a few bug reports with this issue in every upgrade now | 15:00 |
| chrisccoulson | oops | 15:01 |
| chrisccoulson | doesn't mean we *can* ignore it ;) | 15:01 |
| micahg | well, the alternative is that the recommended locale binary won't get installed | 15:03 |
| micahg | for users w/out other depends on firefox, on installs without a depends on firefox, firefox would probably get removed | 15:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.oneiric | 15:04 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement | 15:05 |
| pitti | seb128: apport by default for a2? | 15:27 |
| pitti | cyphermox: echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches | 15:44 |
| mterry | pitti, bug 803519 | 16:29 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 803519 in xdg-user-dirs "Use Unity as a registered XDG environment" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803519 | 16:29 |
| fta | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-gnome-fr_1%3a11.10+20110630_all.deb (--unpack): | 17:25 |
| fta | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/indicator-sound.mo', which is also in package language-pack-fr 1:11.10+20110630 | 17:25 |
| fta | pitti, ^^ | 17:25 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hi | 17:36 |
| seb128 | fta, can you open a bug against langpackomatic? | 17:37 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, what is the usecase you have a language selection on the logic screen? | 17:39 |
| desrt | seb128: german hard logic vs. french fuzzy logic | 17:40 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: I suppose it basically is people who want to be able to use more than one language, and if they know which language at login, they don't need to log out + log in after having set it in l-s. | 18:04 |
| GunnarHj | But I'd like to see this detail in a wider perspective. For many non-English users this detail is important. The desired growth in Ubuntu users (-> 200 miljon) probably means that a higher percentage - compared with today - will consider a language-chooser a useful tool. | 18:04 |
| GunnarHj | As regards old Ubuntu users, they are used to the language chooser. Consequently, dropping the language chooser in LightDM would be considered a regression due to the change of default display manager. | 18:04 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, well, I'm a non native english user | 18:05 |
| seb128 | but I don't see the point of changing languages often, I usually just use my native language | 18:05 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: I don't change often either, but people behave differently. And in any case it sends a signal that we care about non-English users. | 18:08 |
| GunnarHj | Would it do any harm to keep providing the feature? | 18:08 |
| seb128 | we do care about them but the recommended way would be to change from the language selector | 18:09 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Sure, l-s is the principal tool for setting languages and locales. The current language chooser on the login screen is a supplement. | 18:10 |
| seb128 | well, it can be discussed, but it would be nice ot understand the usecase for switching locale often | 18:10 |
| seb128 | if there is a real world usecase out of "translators doing testing" it could for sure be there | 18:10 |
| seb128 | there is just no point to clutter the ui for an option that 99% of users don't use | 18:11 |
| afv | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-gnome-en_1%3a11.10+20110630_all.deb (--unpack): | 18:11 |
| afv | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/indicator-sound.mo', which is also in package language-pack-en 1:11.10+20110630 | 18:11 |
| seb128 | afv, known issue | 18:11 |
| afv | ok ;) | 18:12 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: It has been there for a long time. Has anybody complained? Btw, talking about often... How often does the average user switch session type? | 18:13 |
| seb128 | yeah, maybe it should not be there as well | 18:13 |
| seb128 | not sure if the new greater design have it | 18:13 |
| seb128 | ok, got to go but please start the discussion on the list | 18:14 |
| seb128 | it's not because we are used to a workflow that it's the best one ;-) | 18:14 |
| seb128 | but that need some discussion and thinking | 18:14 |
| afv | hmm, by the way i noticed that the latest gdm3 doesn't have the language chooser too (or i didn't see it) | 18:14 |
| seb128 | bbl | 18:14 |
| seb128 | right, GNOME dropped that as well | 18:14 |
| afv | is anyone noticing this 1px menu with some themes? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/659315/screenshots/2011.07.01_menu_visible_2.png | 18:18 |
| afv | well, nevermind, just switched from Adwance to Radiance and it's fine | 18:23 |
| fta | afv, issue now known as bug 804449 | 18:51 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 804449 in langpack-o-matic "overwrite file in other debs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/804449 | 18:51 |
| afv | thx | 18:57 |
| pitti | fta: thanks, I'm on it now | 20:44 |
| fta | pitti, \o/ (it's 804449 in case you missed it) | 20:44 |
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