[08:00] <hyperair> Ampelbein: pign
[09:18] <AnAnt> Daviey: Hello, LP #796136
[10:35] <smoser> is there a limit on size of value for a debconf key ?
[10:42] <cjwatson> smoser: not formally; you will run into slightly less-tested code in cdebconf if you cause any debconf protocol line to be greater than 1024 bytes
[10:42] <cjwatson> smoser: but any limit is a bug
[10:42] <smoser> thanks.
[10:42] <cjwatson> (and one I'm prepared to fix)
[11:07] <tkamppeter> mpt, sladen, hi
[11:09] <mpt> jcastro, are you the right person to bug about the way Ubuntu is presented in Launchpad?
[11:18] <udoprog> regarding lightdm, how do you configure it to run on a single screen (or any X configuration) in a nice manner?
[11:20] <udoprog> do you specifically override the X command to use or are there any facilities to handle this?
[11:23] <tjaalton> udoprog: write an xorg.conf if you need to force things for the login screen
[11:27] <udoprog> tjaalton: k, thanks
[11:53] <YokoZar> Is there a sprint of some sort going on atm?
[11:54] <Laney> yeah
[11:54] <Laney> platform rally I think it's called
[11:59] <barry> zul: any word on python-image-store-proxy?
[12:00] <zul> barry:  not yet
[12:01] <barry> zul: okay.  since cr3 has decided to hide from me :) i'm going to upload checkbox, which will make p-i-s the last python-central package on the cds.  expect me to sit next to you after lunch quietly but disturbingly sipping my tea until its fixed. :)
[12:02] <zul> barry: greeeeeat :)
[12:02] <barry> zul: better here in dublin than at your house next week... :)
[12:29] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Hi Robert, do have a minute to talk about lightdm and language chooser?
[12:29] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, sure
[12:30] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Did you read my latest comment on bug 793366?
[12:32] <ogasawara> cjwatson: apw plans to link up with you next week re: overlayfs
[12:35] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, yes, from what I'm hearing though there's not a requirement for a language selector at the greeter as such, but more of a requirement to be able to run from a fixed subset of languages.  I think this can be better achieved using the sessions as this only gives the user one choice
[12:38] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: A fixed subset of languages? But isn't that just what a language chooser would display? I.e. the translations in the languages of interest.
[12:40] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Has the matter been discussed recently in the desktop team or elsewhere? I don't think I'm the only one who regret that the chooser has been dropped in GDM.
[12:40] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, yes, but you don't need all combinations.  For the majority of users they will never use the language option (and it is something that can be accidentally changed).  The use case that I have heard of seems to be non-english speakers wanting to switch to english.
[12:40] <pitti> jdstrand, cyphermox: is the ufw profile support for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-desktop-network-enhancements still on the plan for oneiric, or sohuld we postpone this?
[12:40] <cyphermox> pitti: postpone, I think
[12:40] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, the design of the Oneiric greeter (done by the Canonical design team) does not have a langauge selector.
[12:40] <pitti> it's currently marked for a2, which is rather impossible now, I guess
[12:41] <AnAnt> could someone sponsor LP #801884
[12:41] <cyphermox> pitti: yes, espcially the UI parts... but I guess that doesn't block working on getting UFW to have the necessary bits
[12:42] <pitti> moved to a3 for now, and if it doesn't land by then, we'll move it to p
[12:42] <jdstrand> pitti: I do plan to have the ufw specific support for oneiric, but that is probably going to be alpha-3
[12:42] <pitti> jdstrand: great, thanks; so I milestoned it there then
[12:43] <jdstrand> but if no one is working on the UI, then there is a high chance I'll backburner it as well
[12:43] <jdstrand> pitti: thanks :)
[12:43] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, I'm updating the bug with more information
[12:44] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: I'm sure that the non-english speakers are more inclined to appreciate the feature than English speakers. But ... Don't you think that most of those 200 miljon Ubuntu users that was mentioned recently will belong to the former group?
[12:45] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, the important point here is the ability to use their session in the appropriate language, not to have a specific UI component.  A combo box is a very clumsy way of setting your session language
[12:47] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Think I disagree on that. Personally I think that the Natty GDM approach is quite ok.
[12:49] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: And even if it wasn't included in the spec.: We are a few who would like to see it. Including it wouldn't hurt the rest, would it?
[12:50] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: And it won't require much additional work to get it in place.
[12:51] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Should we maybe bring the discussion to the ubuntu-desktop list?
[12:51] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, sure, we also need the designers to get involved
[12:52] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Ok. Do you want to start the discussion or should I do it?
[12:53] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, you can start it if you want
[12:53] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Will do so later today. Thanks for the chat so far. :)
[12:54] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, no problem.  It's an interesting problem and I hope we can come up with a clever solution
[12:54] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Me to.
[14:12] <barry> ara ping
[14:12] <ara> barry, hello!
[14:13] <barry> ara: hi!  you are a member of ~checkbox-admins.  i want to upload the latest trunk, but there's a minor bug preventing building a source package from lp:checkbox.  would you be able to quickly review and land a merge proposal?
[14:13] <ara> barry, sure
[14:13] <ara> brendand will be able to help as well
[14:14] <ara> he's been doing the latest changes to checkbox
[14:14] <barry> ara: awesome.  will paste url in just a few minutes
[14:14] <ara> thanks!
[14:18] <barry> ara, brendand https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/checkbox/enoent/+merge/66598
[14:25] <ara> barry, looking at it now
[14:25] <barry> ara: \o/
[14:39] <pitti> skaet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus updated, FYI
[14:40] <skaet> pitti,  Thanks!
[14:56] <barry> hi ara.  any questions or problems with the change?  as soon as you merge the branch i can push a new checkbox.  it's the last python-central package on the desktop cd so i'm really anxious to get it uploaded! :)
[15:22] <brainwave92> Noone here?
[15:30] <brainwave92> is there anyone active on this cannel?
[15:31] <holstein> brainwave92: whats up?
[15:32] <holstein> check out the topic, this really isnt a social channel
[15:33] <brainwave92> ya but no ones saying anything, i thought of joining into some discussion on Oneiric
[15:33] <brainwave92> holstein, thats  whyi was stunned by the silence....apologies!
[15:34] <holstein> brainwave92: you might try #ubuntu+1 ??
[15:36] <ara> barry, roadmr and I were trying to build checkbox after the merge, and it does not build for us in oneiric
[15:36]  * roadmr :(
[15:43] <brainwave92> k thanks....! i'll try
[15:43] <brainwave92> join #ubuntu-1
[15:43] <brainwave92> oops
[15:44] <barry> ara: darn :(  where are you sitting, can i come down and shoulder surf?
[15:45] <roadmr> barry: Munster room, ground level, thanks :)
[15:45] <barry> on my way!
[15:47] <roadmr> barry: thanks a lot, we really appreciate it
[16:02] <debfx> pitti: firefox is pulled on the kubuntu cd due to bug #800857 so I think it's important to fix it before alpha 2
[16:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^
[16:04] <pitti> good point, yes
[16:05] <pitti> targetted back to a2
[16:09] <brendand> does anyone know if 'The disk drive for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 is not ready yet or not present' that appears sometimes in Natty is a bug?
[16:09] <brainwave92> i want to join ubuntu development team, as a beginner.....any one knows the channel for that chat by any chance?
[16:15] <slangasek> brendand: is that a literal quote?
[16:15] <slangasek> ah, yes it would be
[16:15] <brendand> slangasek - that's exactly what plymouth (??) says
[16:15] <slangasek> brendand: not a bug per se; if the message never /goes away/, that's a bug
[16:16] <brendand> slangasek - it seems random to me. didn't happen in maverick though?
[16:16] <slangasek> brendand: don't know what would have changed for you between m and n; it's entirely a timing thing
[16:17] <brainwave92> #join
[16:17] <brainwave92> oops
[16:30] <barry> ara, roadmr yep, built fine for me in my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~barry/+archive/python/+packages
[16:32] <ara> barry, roadmr is going to push the changes to the trunk
[16:33] <roadmr> barry: thanks for the confirmation!
[16:36] <barry> ara: roadmr beauty!
[18:25] <AnAnt> Hello, could someone sponsor LP #801884  ?
[19:22] <bdrung> cjwatson: can you sync distro-info from unstable (it was accepted recently)
[19:54] <cjwatson> bdrung: done (though for the future, a sync request bug is easier for me to process)
[19:55] <bdrung> cjwatson: thanks. i forgot that we passed DIF.
[19:58] <cjwatson> well, that doesn't matter, it doesn't need particular approval yet, but a bug means I can use the sync-helper tool
[20:02] <bdrung> good to know
[20:57] <jsjgruber_> How do I convert an upstream to use dh_python2, as desired by Oneiric plans, and continue to build Maverick and Lucid packages from the same branch? (wrong channel to ask?)
[21:10] <jsjgruber_> python-central build dependencies were not raised beyond lucid like dh_python2
[21:27] <bdrung> jsjgruber_: you could backport dh_python2 (assuming you are using a PPA for maverick & lucid)
[21:38] <tumbleweed> bdrung: it's a non-trivial backport, but it's in progress
[22:05] <Quibus> hi all
[22:05] <Quibus> I just asked this question on #ubuntu:
[22:05] <Quibus> I'm wondering why ubuntu misses version 0.8.1. of the openMSX package (while it is in Debian for months already).
[22:05] <Quibus> Strangely enough, the GUI of 0.8.1 is available (openmsx-catapult)
[22:05] <Quibus> Looks like something went wrong?
[22:05] <Quibus> openmsx-catapult is useless without openmsx
[22:06] <nigelb> Quibus: In oneiric?
[22:06] <Ampelbein> Quibus: most likely it didn't get merged yet
[22:07] <Quibus> nigelb: I checked this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openmsx/
[22:07] <Quibus> and this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openmsx-catapult
[22:07] <tumbleweed> Quibus: it's generally up to the previous uploader to do a merge
[22:07] <Quibus> 0.8.1 package was autosynced on 30 April
[22:07] <tumbleweed> if we modified a package in Ubuntu, we need to manually merge those modifications into future versions
[22:08] <tumbleweed> only un-modified packages can be auto-synced
[22:08] <Quibus> How can I see if it is modified?
[22:08] <bdrung> Quibus: if 'ubuntu' is in the version number
[22:09] <Quibus> It is for 0.8.0
[22:09] <bdrung> including the debian revision -> 0.8.0-1ubuntu1
[22:09] <Quibus> ah, Matthias fixed something there
[22:10] <bdrung> Quibus: you could ask him (doko on IRC) to merge the new version
[22:10] <Quibus> doko_: hi :) Interested to merge openMSX 0.8.1 into O?
[22:10] <tumbleweed> of course anyone else could merge it too, but it's probably not on their todo lists...
[22:11] <Quibus> It should be quite easy, but OK
[22:12] <bdrung> Quibus: if he doesn't want to do it, feel free to do it yourself
[22:12] <bdrung> tumbleweed: btw, distro-info passed all barriers
[22:12] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I saw, \o/
[22:13] <Quibus> bdrung: I'm the upstream developer... I don't like to take care of package management for a kazillion distros out there...
[22:14] <Quibus> I'd rather focus on the actual software
[22:16] <bdrung> Quibus: as upstream dev, do you have fixed the inline assembler that is causing the problem with thumb2 (bug #635413)?
[22:17] <Quibus> No, we don't have a compiler envirionment to test it
[22:18] <tumbleweed> it might be reproduceable in qemu. /me looks
[22:20] <bdrung> tumbleweed: what do you think about bug #796187?
[22:20] <bdrung> who decides to start a transition?
[22:21] <Quibus> tumbleweed: thanks
[22:21] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I think we generally trust uploaders to decide whether kicking off transitions is a good idea or not. I haven't seen the release team schedule them like in Debian
[22:22] <bdrung> four package FTBFS carry no weight
[22:23] <tumbleweed> obviously test-building all build deps is sensible. Then decide how important/fixable they are
[22:23] <bdrung> tumbleweed: it was done last cycle (bug #622204)
[22:24] <bdrung> wrong number, it was bug #701471
[22:27] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I'd talk to kklimonda who evaluated it in natty, and the debian maintainer (who should have some feeling for how ready it is)
[22:28] <bdrung> tumbleweed: then i was too fast ;)
[22:28] <bdrung> tumbleweed: feel free to veto my bug comment
[22:30] <tumbleweed> bdrung: that's the ubuntu way: "break it now, fix it later" :P
[22:31] <tumbleweed> Quibus: you should easily be able to replicate this under qemu. 0.8.1 still exhibits it
[22:31] <bdrung> tumbleweed: break it now, let someone else fix it later
[22:31] <bdrung> :P
[22:31] <Quibus> tumbleweed: yes, as I said, we didn't fix it, because we didn't have a working cross compiler with thumb2 support to test it
[22:32] <Quibus> Only one for arm926
[22:33] <tumbleweed> Quibus: I'm not using a cross compiler but a full-blown ubuntu armel chroot, and qemu-user-static. You could create such an environment by running "pbuilder-dist armel create"
[22:34] <tumbleweed> anyway, seeing as I've looked at this, I'll merge it now
[22:35] <Quibus> Oh, hey, thanks :-)
[22:36] <Quibus> I gave this info to our ARM specialist
[22:36] <Quibus> a.k.a. the main developer :-)
[22:36] <Quibus> I hope he can fix it
[23:24] <carldani> is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SupportedArchitectures still correct w.r.t. Oneiric?
[23:25]  * tumbleweed sees no mention of armel there
[23:27] <bdrung> carldani: armel is missing in this list
[23:41] <cjwatson> carldani: yeah, completely out of date - first time I've seen that page
[23:42] <cjwatson> carldani: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Architectures is up to date
[23:43] <broder> cjwatson: sounds like it's time to invoke that promise you made to jcastro :-P
[23:44] <broder> (err, rather, that we all made)
[23:46] <carldani> bdrung, cjwatson: thanks!
[23:46] <cjwatson> maybe, but I'm going to bed :-)
[23:46]  * cjwatson adeptly dodges responsibility
[23:46] <cjwatson> bdrung: binary-NEWed distro-info, BTW
[23:53] <Quibus> good night folks