[00:00] <ikonia> not the USA
[00:00] <knome> there are other channels than those in the ubuntu namespace
[00:00] <vibhav> still I like offtopic
[00:01] <elky> vibhav, if you were let back into -offtopic, would you promise that you would neither use it as a platform to rant from, nor use it as a support channel?
[00:01] <ikonia> then you should look at how you behave in the channels
[00:01] <ikonia> ah elky
[00:01] <vibhav> Rant about what?
[00:01] <elky> anything
[00:01] <vibhav> Ok
[00:02] <elky> so no ranting, no asking support questions?
[00:02] <vibhav> OK
[00:02] <elky> i need more than "ok" here. I need you to state what you are agreeing to in full
[00:03] <vibhav> I will not use #ubuntu-offtopic as a  platform to rant from,or as a support channel
[00:05] <ikonia> vibhav: the bans been removed in #ubuntu-offtopic, please please keep in mind your behaviour and if someone asks you to do something, try to follow it
[00:05] <vibhav> thank you
[00:08] <popey> hmm, the !loco factoid should probably point to loco.ubuntu.com not that wiki page?
[00:09] <ikonia> I can update
[00:12] <ikonia> !loco
[00:15] <ikonia> !no loco is Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at http://loco.ubuntu.com
[00:15] <ikonia> !loco
[00:15] <ikonia> cool
[00:17] <ikonia> time to sleep
[00:17]  * h00k reads backlog
[00:18] <Pici> !no loco is <reply> Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at http://loco.ubuntu.com
[00:18] <knome> awwh, why don't people like the closing /
[00:18] <knome> that makes the url so much sexier
[00:42] <bazhang> tired of the constant stream of noise from sudokill
[00:42] <bazhang> he offers nothing of substance that I have seen. just random peanut gallery commentary.
[00:42] <popey> +1 knome
[00:43] <knome> !no loco is <reply> Information on Ubuntu Local Community Teams is at http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[00:50] <mneptok> mmmmm .... peanuts ....
[00:51] <bazhang> to you!
[00:56] <elky> ikonia, ok, so im pretty sure that was a borderline support question. it shouldn't take long until he's asking ubuntu support questions and he can be re-banned.
[01:30] <mneptok> bazhang: do you have +o in -ot? if not i can keep an eye so elky can sleep.
[01:31] <elky> i /wish/ i was sleeping...
[01:51] <mneptok> J21: hi, how can we help?
[01:51] <J21> Sorry... I guess it's the wrong channel
[01:51] <J21> I didn't know this was for abuse ans part only. Adios!
[01:52] <mneptok> ciao!
[01:52] <knome> does anybody else visit the websites from users' hosts?
[01:53] <mneptok> knome: uhhh ... was that you outside our bathroom window last night? ;)
[01:54] <knome> haha, i'll let you think about it ;)
[01:57] <bazhang> heh
[01:57] <bazhang> mneptok, will watch, and catalyze as -o there
[01:58] <mneptok> bazhang: k. i'm tootling off for couch time with the wife.
[02:00] <elky> knome, sometimes, not when im at work though. what's notable about this one?
[02:05] <knome> elky, nothing really. i was just being curious ;)
[02:05] <knome> mneptok, see you (errr... ;))
[02:07] <elky> plz to keep the creepy in non logged channels? kthx.
[02:07] <knome> sorry :)
[04:06] <Juest> hi
[04:06] <Juest> is my ban at #ubuntu infinite??
[04:07] <Juest> ...
[04:08] <elky> What's the ban for?
[04:08] <Juest> ...
[04:09] <elky> You were banned for a reason. I want to know that you understand what it is.
[04:10] <Juest> ok, can you read every #ubuntu-ops logs since May that mention me please?
[04:11] <Juest> elky..
[04:11] <h00k> ubottu: tell Juest about logs
[04:12] <Juest> -.-
[04:12] <h00k> @login
[04:12] <h00k> @btlogin
[04:12] <Pici> Juest: elky is asking not for her own benifit, we'd like to know that *you* understand why you were banned.
[04:13] <Pici> We have our own methods of tracking bans.
[04:13] <Juest> i do, it was a rooted lie...
[04:14] <Juest> and also i have a personal iusse with ikonia, he tells my truth :(
[04:14] <Juest> it does not matter here
[04:15] <Juest> just because rooted ubuntu is unsupported i lied ikonia when he asked if i left root gui
[04:16] <Juest> ....
[04:18] <Juest> hello?
[04:18] <elky> Juest, until you are willing to take responsibility for your own actions, you will remain banned.
[04:19] <Juest> i already took the responsability, just not proving it
[04:29] <Juest> elky...
[04:30] <IdleOne> Juest: the last time you were here you agreed to follow the code of conduct and guidelines and immediately started being abusive in PM towards ikonia. it was decided that you didn't appear to have any intentions on following the rules.
[04:31] <Juest> well, is wasn't related with ubuntu
[04:31] <IdleOne> abuse is abuse
[04:31] <Juest> :(
[04:32] <IdleOne> there is no reason for it. If you are unable to follow through with promises you made not 5 minutes earlier how can we trust you won't abuse other users in PM from #ubuntu or for that matter in the channel.
[04:32] <Juest> and he says that is proven that i am liar, he isn't right because not always i lie
[04:33] <Juest> you guys can trust me, i NEVER will do abusive PM's
[04:33] <IdleOne> Juest: I believe that you should take a couple of more days and think about what has been said here. Come back in 48 hours and we can see then if the ban can/should be removed.
[04:33] <Juest> should i look logs?
[04:33] <IdleOne> if you want to
[04:34] <Juest> well
[04:34] <Juest> sometimes i don't remember very well
[04:36] <elky> Juest, well you'll need to get a piece of paper and a sharpie and some tape and stick a note on your monitor that says "I MUST NOT ABUSE PEOPLE"
[04:36] <Juest> lol
[04:36] <Juest> no
[04:37] <Juest> is a basic thing i don't need to use sticky notes for that
[04:37] <elky> it's a basic thing that you're saying you "don't remember very well"
[04:38] <elky> so clearly it's not a basic thing for you and exceptional measures are needed
[04:39] <Juest> i am very clear, i just remember well the most basic things i never froget these basic things
[04:39] <IdleOne> Juest: Good. So come back in 48 hours and we can see about removing the ban then.
[04:42] <Juest> ok, but i told that sometimes i just have difficulty to explain..
[04:43] <Juest> even if i am way too smart y'all always frogets about some things,  we can't remember every hole/thing in our mind
[04:44] <Juest> it can happen to anybody
 my entire paid for music collection was eradicated the moment i accidentally enable root user
[06:13] <bazhang> this is the same fellow who claimed he was kidnapped in #ubuntu earlier
[06:18] <bazhang> anyone making sense of what fdeiam is saying?
[06:18] <bazhang> kidnapping seems the most credible so far.
[06:19] <IdleOne> heh
[06:30] <bazhang> you sure about that ? 6667 was the default last time I checked. I had to set it to 8001 manually
[06:31] <IdleOne> I am pretty sure yeah
[06:31] <IdleOne> unless I have it set in my backed up config
[06:31] <IdleOne> which is possible
[07:26] <bazhang> ?
[07:27] <Flannel> .
[08:23] <elky> seems she remembered how to change her part message in irssi
[08:53] <ikonia> I'm getting tired of the foolish complaining in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:53] <ikonia> they mock the rules of the channel - if they don't like them, why is it such a big deal that they are there, there are many other channels that don't have those rules
[09:03] <oCean> now they're just being buch of big babies
[09:03] <oCean> *bunch
[09:03] <ikonia> it's partially my fault in that I've had enough of it, I could have ignored it
[09:04] <jussi> ikonia: I see your point, they do complain a bit. You did come across as a bit of the grumpy school teacher though.
[09:04] <ikonia> jussi: I don't care if I did
[09:05] <ikonia> it was meant grumpy as I've had enough of it
[09:05]  * hypatia hands ikonia a ruler
[09:05] <ikonia> people sat there "joking" critisisning the channel is old enough,
[09:05] <oCean> it's definitely not a first
[09:10] <elky> it's not a joke, they're pushing boundaries and expecting us to give so they can push more and erode the channel to being as bad as everywhere else
[09:10] <elky> the "just a joke" is a cover.
[09:10] <ikonia> I don't care if it was a joke or not, I'm just tired of seeing it, if that's all they need a channel to do, there are others
[10:29] <jabbathehutt> hi
[10:29] <jabbathehutt> can i please have my ban removed from ubuntu
[10:29] <jabbathehutt> i made a bad joke
[10:30] <ikonia> when did this happen ?
[10:30] <jabbathehutt> today
[10:30] <ikonia> what was the joke ?
[10:31] <jabbathehutt> someone asked a question about how to do something menial
[10:31] <jabbathehutt> and i said
[10:31] <jabbathehutt> just run ' dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda'
[10:31] <jabbathehutt> of course its such obvious joke
[10:31] <ikonia> not to them
[10:32] <jabbathehutt> then i was banned before can say 'haha' or 'dont do it'
[10:32] <ikonia> that could have destoryed there system
[10:32] <ikonia> destoryed
[10:32] <ikonia> you understand it would be better to not make those kind of comments at all
[10:32] <jabbathehutt> if someone is smart enough to join an irc channel and smart enough to run their computer on ubuntu im sure they wouldnt have
[10:32] <ikonia> not really
[10:32] <elky> jabbathehutt, we've seen it happen.
[10:33] <ikonia> you can run irc by installing ubuntu and opening xchat
[10:33] <ikonia> that doesn't take massive brains
[10:33] <ikonia> someone is asking for help because they don't know
[10:33] <oCean> jabbathehutt: you had a whole minute to say 'that was a joke' or 'haha'
[10:33] <ikonia> if they believe you know - and do that command....well, it would be a mess
[10:33] <ikonia> as this is oCean's ban I'll step away
[10:34] <jabbathehutt> can i have it removed?
[10:34] <jabbathehutt> i dont know who oCean is
[10:34] <oCean> jabbathehutt: I don't think you had any intention in telling it was a joke
[10:34] <oCean> I set the ban
[10:34] <jabbathehutt> ok
[10:34] <jabbathehutt> well i was just bored
[10:34] <oCean> Do you really think that justifies what you did?
[10:35] <jabbathehutt> i guess not
[10:35] <jabbathehutt> how long was the ban for
[10:36] <oCean> your answer 'if someone is smart enough to join an irc channel..' shows no proof of the right attitude
[10:37] <oCean> you ever read our guidelines?
[10:37] <jabbathehutt> no
[10:37] <oCean> !guidelines > jabbathehutt
[10:37] <oCean> !Coc > jabbathehutt
[10:37] <jabbathehutt> no1 actually reads those
[10:37] <oCean> you think?
[10:37] <Tm_T> jabbathehutt: that belief of yours is no excuse
[10:38] <oCean> I expect you to read those, and let me know when you're finished
[10:38] <elky> jabbathehutt, correction. You are going to read those.
[10:39] <jabbathehutt> read
[10:40] <oCean> do you understand the part about 'when helping be helpful'?
[10:40] <oCean> And in that light, do you understand that you definitely were not helpful?
[10:40] <jabbathehutt> yes
[10:40] <jabbathehutt> i wasn't helpful
[10:41] <oCean> Can you promise you will follow the guidelines when I remove your ban?
[10:41] <jabbathehutt> i will. no more jokes that might be misinterpreted as help
[10:41] <oCean> Thank you.
[10:42] <oCean> I'm about to remove the ban, but Please consider that your behaviour will be watched. And that a second ban is much harder to get removed
[10:42] <oCean> jabbathehutt: do you understand what I just said?
[10:42] <jabbathehutt> yes thanks
[10:42] <Tm_T> jabbathehutt: as a sidenote, no jokes that can be harmful, being misinterpreted as help or not
[10:43] <oCean> jabbathehutt: ok, try to join #ubuntu
[10:43] <jabbathehutt> ok
[10:43] <oCean> there you go
[10:43] <jabbathehutt> works ty
[10:43] <jabbathehutt> bye
[13:35] <bazhang> Deep in the OS!!
[13:35] <bazhang> ubuntu's entire tcp/ip stack is broken
[13:36] <oCean> yes *DEEP* down
[13:40] <bazhang> waiting for the bug link "invalid new" Lars Torben
[13:48] <Tm_T> huh?
[13:48] <oCean> long story
[13:48] <jpds> bazhang: Deep down in the OS, noone can hear you scream.
[13:49] <Tm_T> ah, I see now
[13:49] <bazhang> jpds, hehe
[13:49] <oCean> bazhang: I don't think this one is lars though
[13:50] <bazhang> oCean, yep, its dk not de
[13:50] <bazhang> atheros chipset it seems
[15:34] <Pici> bleh, summer vacations.
[15:39] <jpds> Pici: Going anywhere nice?
[15:40] <jpds> Pici: Why is this guy managing servers with non cli knowledge.
[15:41] <mneptok> IdleOne: happy Canada Day!
[15:41] <IdleOne> Thank You mneptok.
[15:42] <Pici> jpds: Thats one of those 'if I had a penny' questions.
[15:42] <Tm_T> happy friday everyone!
[15:42]  * mneptok sings "O, Canada! My home for three fun years! Hockey, poutine and good domestic beers!"
[15:42] <Pici> heh
[15:42] <IdleOne> haha
[15:42] <IdleOne> our three major exports
[15:42] <IdleOne> and Alan thick.
[15:43] <mneptok> IdleOne: don't let anyone at Bombardier hear you :)
[15:43] <IdleOne> Thick*
[15:44] <IdleOne> Bombardier is a bad bad company. They continue to send jobs outside of Canada
[15:45] <mneptok> IdleOne: it's not a bad plan. if Bombardier does final assembly of aircraft in Plattsburgh, they can honestly say the goods are assembled in the USA, and get more sales to US buyers.
[15:46] <IdleOne> mneptok: I don't mind them out sourcing parts of the contracts but while threatening to close plants here :(
[15:46] <IdleOne> OT!
[15:47] <mneptok> IdleOne: 'Ostie Tabernac?
[15:47] <IdleOne> pas mal ouais
[15:48] <mneptok> bah! now i've permanently embedded that new definition of "OT"
[15:49] <IdleOne> also it's tabA not E
[16:46] <Pici> o.o
[17:19] <ikonia> it would be so much easier if there was a Linux 2.6.18+ compatible sticker,
[17:19] <ikonia> replacing .18 where applicable
[17:21] <ikonia> $20 says "wait, I want to learn, tell me what to type"
[17:22]  * Pici didn't bet
[17:29] <Pici> ikonia: theres #ayatana, but thats not a support channel.
[17:29] <ikonia> I'd have put money on something like #unity
[17:30] <ikonia> good job I didn't
[17:39] <mneptok> FYI, i have told sudokill not to use IM-speak repeatedly. next occurrence of "r" and "u" and such warrants a convo here.
[17:42] <Pici> *rolleyes*
[17:42] <IdleOne> There was some language barrier there
[17:42] <IdleOne> not excusing the bad language
[17:42] <ikonia> he knew fuck you
[17:42] <IdleOne> first words I learn in every new language is the curses
[17:43] <ikonia> the language issue never really cuts it for me if you know enough to say "fuck you" to someone in their chosen language
[17:43] <IdleOne> that is not surprising that a non English speaker knows how to curse
[17:43] <ikonia> IdleOne: yes, but I bet you don't say them to random people
[17:43] <ikonia> "I don't understand what I'm being told, I know, Fuck you, did that work?"
[17:43] <IdleOne> ikonia: that is why I said i was not excusing the bad language
[17:44] <ikonia> I didn't think you where, just ammuses me that that's the default non-native speaker approach
[17:44] <ikonia> don't understand the question, default response "fuck you" or some other abuse
[17:45] <Pici> I think the discussion in #u is getting in the way of support now...
[17:45] <ikonia> yes, hence trying to bring here
[17:45] <IdleOne> Well, I assume that new users joining to #ubuntu are already stressed and frustrated that something isn't working, then get the bot telling them not to use enter....They already don't see clear and now are being told not to use Enter key as (what is that big word? punctuwhatnow)
[17:45] <topyli> well we do learn our english from american movies and rock'n'roll :)
[17:46] <ikonia> Mike1: how can we help
[17:47] <Mike1> ikonia: hi, i only joined because sudokill in #ubuntu has been asked to join
[17:47] <ikonia> Mike1: ok - are you sudokill ?
[17:47] <Mike1> no
[17:47] <ikonia> Mike1: ok - so you where not asked to join
[17:47] <Mike1> ikonia: no, and if that’s a problem I can leave anytime
[17:48] <ikonia> Mike1: the channels used for discussing issues with the #ubuntu channels
[17:48] <mneptok> brainwave92: what's up?
[17:48] <IdleOne> Mike1: that would be appreciated, spectators make our job harder.
[17:48] <ikonia> Mike1: hence my question of how can we help, eg: if you have something to discuss/need help with,
[17:49] <Mike1> I guess I’ll leave then, see you!
[17:49] <ikonia> Mike1: thanks,
[17:49] <brainwave92> mneptok, i have a suggestion saying 'i' and 'r' and 'u' should be allowed
[17:49] <mneptok> brainwave92: your suggestion is noted.
[17:49] <brainwave92> and i want to know from the channel ops why thats wrong!
[17:49] <ikonia> brainwave92: you must have seen the level of english in the channel ?
[17:50] <ikonia> brainwave92: it varies massivly, talking in short hand is confusing and not clear to everyone
[17:50] <mneptok> brainwave92: kp? hst d dne antwrt?
[17:50] <ikonia> talking clearly is easy for everyone to understand
[17:50] <brainwave92> mneptok, i aint suggesting all shorthands
[17:50] <brainwave92> just the universal ones, which are almost used everywhere
[17:50] <ikonia> brainwave92: they are not
[17:50] <tsimpson> there is no such thing, brainwave92
[17:50] <brainwave92> ikonia, even linux technical terms are not understood by everyone.....
[17:50] <brainwave92> but thats no reason not to learn them
[17:51] <ikonia> brainwave92: no-one is talking about Linux technical terms
[17:51] <ikonia> brainwave92: why would we want to teach people bad English ?
[17:51] <brainwave92> not bad...just convinient english.....cause it saves time.
[17:51] <ikonia> it's bad
[17:51] <ikonia> and it doesn't save time
[17:51] <mneptok> brainwave92: lots of bad ideas save time. doesn't make them good ideas.
[17:51] <ikonia> I can type you as fast as u
[17:52] <IdleOne> and may possibly cause confusion to the person being helped if they are not a native English speaker
[17:52] <mneptok> brainwave92: it would save a lot of time at my destination airport to jump from the plane as it approaches the runway. good idea?
[17:53] <mneptok> convenience and expediency are factors, but never overwhelming factors.
[17:53] <brainwave92> ok...i get your point
[17:53] <mneptok> we ask *everyone* not to use IM-speak. to allow some to do it and get away with it is unfair.
[17:54] <brainwave92> mneptok, but you realise many non native speakers know it as well?
[17:54] <brainwave92> i for example
[17:54] <brainwave92> am a non native speaker.....
[17:54] <ikonia> brainwave92: many don't
[17:54] <IdleOne> brainwave92: true. many don't.
[17:54] <mneptok> many != all
[17:55] <brainwave92> can we modify the rule to say that, on being requested to speak in proper english, if one doesnt do it, then be banned
[17:55] <brainwave92> because
[17:55] <IdleOne> it is much easier to google translate "because" than it is "bcuz"
[17:55] <mneptok> brainwave92: that's exactly what is happening now.
[17:55] <brainwave92> now that is a great point
[17:55] <tsimpson> that'd just serve to over complicate it
[17:55] <brainwave92> ok but i am genuinely used to use such , and mostly might be using it without knowing it
[17:55] <tsimpson> just type out each word, it's not difficult and it saves everyone hassle
[17:55] <brainwave92> get it
[17:56] <brainwave92> i get it
[17:56] <IdleOne> also in then English language I is always capitalized
[17:56] <IdleOne> but I can live with i
[17:56] <brainwave92> Ok now 'that' should be allowed
[17:57] <mneptok> brainwave92: +1.
[17:57] <brainwave92> +1? is that a warning?
[17:57] <mneptok> brainwave92: no, agreement
[17:57] <ikonia> there is a good example of shorthand not being understood
[17:57]  * mneptok rarely capitalizes "i" on IRC
[17:57] <ikonia> mneptok: agreed, you thought it was a warning
[17:58] <brainwave92> i did indeed!
[17:58] <mneptok> but *everyone* in the Ubuntu community knows +1! it's how we vote on issues.
[17:58] <mneptok> *grin*
[17:59] <brainwave92> i know it now too......:) thanks.....i'll leave now, as i'm fully convinced!
[18:00] <IdleOne> brainwave92: Welcome to the dark side :)
[18:01] <brainwave92> dark side? now that isnt a shorthand and still didnt understand!
[18:01] <IdleOne> brainwave92: was a joke. not a funny joke but a joke never the less
[18:02] <brainwave92> Ya i would like to understand it!
[18:02] <Pici> Its a Star Wars reference
[18:02] <IdleOne> you would have to watch Star Wars
[18:03] <IdleOne> I am comparing Ubuntu ops to the Syth
[18:03] <IdleOne> like I said not a funny joke :)
[18:03] <brainwave92> I get it.....almost....:) thanks
[18:03] <Pici> *Sith
[18:03] <IdleOne> yeah Sith*
[18:13] <mneptok> after thinking about it, i am now in agreement with IdleOne
[18:13] <mneptok> poutine: looks terrible, tastes great!
[18:14] <IdleOne> As I recall we had a conversation about poutine a few weeks ago. I vaguely remember saying something about it looking bad...
[18:15] <IdleOne> you sir are spending way too much time thinking about poutine
[18:15] <mneptok> it's Canada Day! and i want a Dilallo fix. :/
[18:16] <IdleOne> come up for a visit
[18:16] <IdleOne> jazz fest is going on right now
[18:16] <mneptok> we should. neighbors in St-Henri keep telling us to "come home"
[18:22] <sudokill> hi
[18:22] <sudokill> whats the deal with my ban?
[18:25] <mneptok> sudokill: it was IdleOne that banned you. but the ban was placed so you could come here and discuss your use of IM-speak.
[18:25] <sudokill> mneptok, why you all so harsh though
[18:25] <sudokill> i mean, a ban?
[18:25] <sudokill> i wasnt racist, i didnt wear or spam
[18:25] <mneptok> sudokill: i understand that you see no harm in it. do you understand that it is against channel policies, and regardless of your personal opinion, you have to abide by channel policies or risk being removed?
[18:26] <mneptok> sudokill: i became harsh when i asked you to stop more than once, and your response was to repeatedly call the rule into question.
[18:26] <sudokill> i understand you have policies, but there sohuld be limits
[18:27] <sudokill> if i was causing trouble, or disturbing the channel then id understand
[18:27] <IdleOne> The reason I placed the ban is because you were asked several times not to use IM speak and then you said we should ban you which led me to believe you had no intention with following the channel guidelines concerning IM speak.
[18:27] <sudokill> or if i was being unclear to people
[18:27] <mneptok> we do have limits. that's why the first time i asked you to stop and you argued with me i did not ban you. and the reason the second time i asked you to stop and you argued with me i did not ban you.
[18:27] <mneptok> or the third. etc etc.
[18:27] <sudokill> Idle, no one reads the large terms and conditions b4 joining  a channel we are himans
[18:27] <sudokill> and afaik irc is instant messaging...
[18:28] <IdleOne> sudokill: We understand that not everybody reads the guidelines before joining but you have been in #ubuntu long enough to have seen us quote them many many times.
[18:28] <mneptok> if IRC was IM, it would be called "IM" and not "IRC"
[18:28] <sudokill> well we could argue all day, but they are "instant messages"
[18:28] <mneptok> sudokill: i pointed out the rule to you. your response was "come on."
[18:29] <mneptok> bbiab. family phone call.
[18:29] <sudokill> instant i/e its quicker to use letters such as u and r, who cares about grammar punctuation? that is for forums and blogs
[18:29] <IdleOne> sudokill: we have no intention of arguing all day with you. the rule is clear and you must follow it.
[18:30] <sudokill> IdleOne, tbh on only really lurk in #Ubuntu, i sometimes chat. but with #ubuntu being the only channel with a problem with the way i type its hard to break a habit and keep adapting just for 1 channel
[18:31] <IdleOne> in that case you should consider using channels that tolerate bad English and not #ubuntu. The reason we are strict with this rule is because not everybody has mastered IM speak a.k.a bad English.
[18:32] <sudokill> IdleOne, this is what im saying. it is a person that chose to ban me, not the terms conditions etc. no one has  aproblem with understanding u and r for you and are, as it is an english channel anyway
[18:33] <sudokill> so if i was causing no misunderstanding / problems at all its pretty harsh i think
[18:33] <sudokill> i dont see why you have to act like machines lol
[18:33] <IdleOne> but not all the users in the channel are native English speakers. i kan tipe lik dis all da time but will u be able 2 understand me all D time
[18:33] <sudokill> but i dont type like that, that is idiot typing
[18:33] <sudokill> gangster typing
[18:34] <IdleOne> correct it is and it starts with u and r and then it goes to 1337 speak and the next you know we have chaos
[18:34] <sudokill> ok fair enough
[18:34] <IdleOne> just asking you to please type full words to ensure there is no confusion with the person you are helping
[18:35] <IdleOne> We clear on the rule now and you can follow it ?
[18:35] <sudokill> IdleOne, fine, I will remember, but i mainly come on here to ask *why* you all seem so strict in there. e.g. yesterday (i think) some guy said something really stupid and i said that its common sense
[18:36] <sudokill> and got moaned at
[18:36] <sudokill> seriously feels like im back at school lol
[18:36] <IdleOne> commenting on stupid comments creates off topic discussion and distracts from what the channel is meant to be used for.
[18:37] <sudokill> but if someone is trying to install ubuntu, with a disc with a hole in the data part of it, and wonders why it doesnt work...
[18:37] <sudokill> you have to tell them
[18:37] <sudokill> that basically they are an idiot
[18:37] <IdleOne> I see
[18:37] <IdleOne> respect
[18:38] <IdleOne> all the time is a requirement in #ubuntu
[18:38] <sudokill> right
[18:38] <IdleOne> you can't call someone an idiot just because you think they are.
[18:39] <IdleOne> !codeofconduct > sudokill
[18:39] <IdleOne> the code of conduct describes how we expect all users in the Ubuntu community to behave
[18:40] <Pici> ikonia: RA_drc was warned earlier today by me about the same behavior.
[18:40] <ikonia> great, thank you
[18:40] <Pici> ikonia: A request to take it to pm was met with the idea that privmsgs were unhealthy. He stopped doing it though, so I didn't take any action.
[18:41] <IdleOne> sudokill: So can I feel safe in unbanning you and expect you to follow our guidelines?
[18:41] <ikonia> he's had has chance then
[18:41] <sudokill> i know. i understand that you are serious in that chanel, which can be both a good thing and a bad thing. i think it just comes as a bit of a shock to people because not many channels have these levels of rules
[18:41] <sudokill> yes you can unban me, ill try to refrain from the us and rs
[18:41] <sudokill> :)
[18:42] <IdleOne> sudokill: please join #ubuntu to make sure I removed the ban
[18:42] <sudokill> yes it works, thanks
[18:42] <IdleOne> sudokill: thank you for coming here and talking with us. hope to see you helping in #ubuntu. have a good day.
[18:43] <sudokill> ok
[18:43] <sudokill> c u l8r
[18:43] <sudokill> :)
[18:44] <IdleOne> hmmm
[18:52] <mneptok> unfunny, IMO
[18:52] <mneptok> (sorry to bail. my father called.)
[19:28] <ikonia> what is wrong with people that they feel it's appropriate to talk to people using the word fuck as a general term
[19:34] <mneptok> ikonia: the problem is that it *IS* appropriate, given the context. some of my friends and i use it all the time. the trick is *knowing when to turn it off*. and a LOT of people can't master that.
[19:35] <ikonia> mneptok: I wouldn't walk into any situation with strangers and start throwing the term fuck around like it was the word cake
[19:36] <oCean> CodeMonkeyNinja has quit (Quit: $cd ~ & rm -rf *)
[19:36] <oCean> what about the quite msg?
[19:36] <oCean> *quit
[19:36] <ikonia> not great
[21:03] <bazhang> he had tons of warnings. wine for vpn?
[21:04] <oCean> troll
[21:06] <bazhang> nick: emergency
[21:07] <mneptok> bazhang: emergency + desert
[21:07] <oCean> same ip range 65.49.14
[21:07] <mneptok> =
[21:07] <bazhang> mneptok, yep. FREEDOM fighter
[21:13] <oCean> he's banned, what's he doing in the channel?
[21:14] <mneptok> evading.
[21:14] <oCean> are we waiting for something to happen, or are we letting him?
[21:15] <mneptok> not my ban
[21:15] <mneptok> i'm deferring to bazhang
[21:15] <oCean> new ban is difficult, since he also switched ident
[21:16] <bazhang> I get to be the bad guy. poor ill user from ubuntu b
[21:16] <bazhang> whoops
[21:19] <bazhang> he did in fact join #winehq
[21:39] <oCean> !vhosts is <reply> Virtual Hosts allow Apache2 to be configured for multiple sites that have separate configurations. Configfiles can be found in /etc/apache2/sites-available. See https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
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[22:12] <bazhang> he was specifically told that vpn will not work with wine in Ubuntu, yet carried on nonetheless
[22:14] <oCean> no one said trolling is easy
[22:14] <bazhang> hehe
[22:15] <oCean> perseverance required