[00:01] <popey> Azelphur: dont set a passphrase
[00:02] <Azelphur> how do I unset the passphrase?
[00:02] <popey> i dont think yiou can
[00:02] <popey> you can create a new key
[00:02] <popey> with no passphrase
[00:02] <Azelphur> even if I have the passphrase?
[00:02] <Azelphur> I just don't want to enter it all the time
[00:02] <popey> yes
[00:02] <popey> i know
[00:02] <Azelphur> can I still keep all my ssh keys if I do that?
[00:03] <popey> 00:02:12 < popey> you can create a new key
[00:03] <popey> new != existing]
[00:03] <Azelphur> :( that kinda isn't very good
[00:04] <czajkowski> nn folks
[00:04] <Azelphur> so I basically have the choices of wiping all my keys or entering a password forever?
[00:04] <popey> its security
[00:04] <Azelphur> it's silly security if it won't let me do what I want when I have all the valid credentials :P
[00:04] <popey> you could put the password in a file
[00:04] <popey> _that_ would be silly security
[00:04] <Azelphur> lol
[00:09] <MattJ> Azelphur: run `ssh-add`
[00:10] <Azelphur> MattJ: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
[00:10] <MattJ> Yay
[00:10] <Azelphur> I'm doing this as root btw, as I need root to be able to ssh to another host automagically
[00:10] <MattJ> Oh, automagically?
[00:10] <MattJ> Create a new key :/
[00:10] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:11] <Azelphur> \o/
[00:11] <MattJ> You can choose which key to use with ssh -i /path/to/key
[00:11] <Azelphur> except that I can't really set that arg because it's for rsnapshot :(
[00:12] <Azelphur> I'll probably just wipe the keys for root and suffer a bit xD
[00:13] <MattJ> Bedtime, nn :)
[00:14] <Azelphur> nn :)
[00:21] <directhex> Azelphur, you can set per-host keys in ~/.ssh/config
[00:21] <directhex> Host bhajiR
[00:21] <directhex>     HostName bhaji.XXXXXXXXX
[00:21] <directhex>     User directhexR
[00:21] <directhex>     IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa-admin
[00:22] <Azelphur> fun
[00:31] <Safiyyah> popey!
[00:38] <directhex> hmph, having trouble breathing this evening
[00:38] <directhex> that normally only happens if i breathe in chinchilla dust, or eat a whole pint of ben & jerrys in one go
[00:49] <Safiyyah> chinchilla the cat?
[00:57] <directhex> Safiyyah: chinchilla the chinchilla.
[00:58]  * Safiyyah goes to check for chinchilla on wikiepedia
[01:03] <luckymallet> Is it true the people behind the royal wedding used taxpayer money to pay for their outlandish ceremony?
[01:15] <directhex> faster than a speeding bullet, it's luckymallet
[01:21] <Myrtti> popey ♥
[05:29] <dimas_> what dependencies amsn need to be able to play animated smilyes?
[08:03] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'd have thought czajkowski would have been perfect for this job? http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2011/0701/1224299837792.html
[08:28] <hoover> morning all
[09:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:02] <DJones> Morning
[09:07] <MooDoo> wow quiet !
[09:12] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:14] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:17] <danfish> ahoy hoy!
[09:17] <MooDoo> arrrgghhhhh danfish
[09:18] <danfish> morning ye scurvy dogs!
[09:19] <danfish> it's too nice to be inside
[09:20] <danfish> I give the whole channel the day off :)
[09:20] <MooDoo> tell me about it, glad it's my last day before me hols :)
[09:20] <danfish> going away anywhere?
[09:20] <MooDoo> danfish, whitby
[09:21] <danfish> nice. Watch out for vampires ;)
[09:22] <MooDoo> danfish, been there before, i know where they all are......i'm a bit weary of locals who ask me in for a bite ;)
[09:23] <danfish> they just want you to have a fangtastic time
[09:24] <MooDoo> popey,  i remember you using a wii remote for one of your mumbuntu presentations.....did you do that using WiiCan?
[09:25] <bigcalm> Morning MooDoo & danfish
[09:25] <MooDoo> :)
[09:31] <stgraber> popey: we ship gnome nanny that's supposed to do part of that
[10:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:14] <MooDoo> good morning
[10:15] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:15] <wintellect> o/
[10:16] <brobostigon> morning wintellect
[10:23] <MooDoo> woohoo roll on 5:30
[10:24] <MooDoo> anyone got anything else to add to our re-approval document? - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval
[10:27] <MooDoo> yay looks like we got the vanity url for the facebook page :)
[10:27] <AlanBell> we did :)
[10:28] <MooDoo> forgot gary kearley did a facebook group for ubuntu uk as well :S lol
[10:28] <AlanBell> numbers are creeping up
[10:28] <brobostigon> nothing to indicate end of lines,
[10:28] <MooDoo> AlanBell, not a lot happening on the re-approval pad i see, i just keep adding stuff :)
[10:29] <AlanBell> yeah
[10:29] <brobostigon> i will add things i find aswell.
[10:29] <AlanBell> I put in some stuff, I am doing some stats on the launchpad group
[10:29] <MooDoo> sweet :)
[10:29] <AlanBell> general activity levels
[10:30] <brobostigon> global jam, inst mentioned, with mumble, and the live vnc's install testing.
[10:30] <AlanBell> we don't really do much as a team, but individuals in ubuntu-uk do a lot of stuff on launchpad
[10:31] <MooDoo> alot of the stuff i'm finiding is quite old, would be nice to find some blog post and photos from recent events.
[10:32] <AlanBell> yes, I noticed that I have done blog posts in advance of events, but very little in terms of writing them up afterwards
[10:40] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/2011/07/01/books-and-butties/
[10:41] <AlanBell> should go to the facebook page automatically
[10:46] <MooDoo> :)
[10:54] <AlanBell> google plus appears to include video conferencing with a .deb for ubuntu
[10:54] <MooDoo> it does
[10:54] <MooDoo> works quite well, it's the same one they released yonks ago
[10:55] <AlanBell> I missed the memo on that one
[10:56] <brobostigon> i havent tried that yet.
[10:56] <AlanBell> I thought they did some voice thing that only works in the US
[10:56] <Laney> doesn't work behind a proxy
[10:56] <Laney> :(
[10:56] <MooDoo> AlanBell, the google voice this is different
[10:57] <MooDoo> the deb is for when they released video chat in gmail iirc
[10:57] <brobostigon> yes
[10:58] <MooDoo> well it works in any case :D
[10:58] <brobostigon> it is aninteresting idea.
[10:59]  * AlanBell starts a hangout
[11:01] <DJones> Does anybody have invites for google+ going spare?
[11:01] <MooDoo> djones email?  i'll try it,
[11:02] <DJones> MooDoo: Sent you a pm with the address
[11:02]  * brobostigon doesnt have AlanBell on google+
[11:02] <bigcalm_> DJones: give us a punt then :)
[11:02] <MooDoo> me neiother
[11:03] <bigcalm_> Ah, you're looking, not offering
[11:03]  * bigcalm_ goes back to his corner
[11:04]  * AlanBell wonders how to find people that it hasn't already found by magic
[11:04] <brobostigon> AlanBell: good question.
[11:12] <brobostigon> AlanBell: the find people hingie, top middle, on the stream page.
[11:13] <DJones> If anybody wants to add me on google +, pm me for my email address
[11:27] <daubers> lo
[11:27] <brobostigon> morning daubers
[11:28] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[11:31]  * daubers managed to sleep all night last night without needing to get up to throw up \o/
[11:31] <brobostigon> :)
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> daubers: improvement!
[12:14] <cbx33> hey
[12:14] <cbx33> anyone here?
[12:14] <brobostigon> afternoonings cbx33
[12:14] <cbx33> i just followed instructions to recompile me kernel :)
[12:14] <cbx33> and create the "package"
[12:14] <cbx33> what i want to know is - will it overwrite my current kernel
[12:14] <popey> why?
[12:14] <cbx33> and do entires get added to grub?
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> cbx33: depends on which version package you made
[12:15] <cbx33> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/765082
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> cbx33: actually, on the package name
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> cbx33: if the package name is identical to the current kernel, it will overwrit
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> e
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> otherwise, it'll install a new one
[12:15] <cbx33> ahh no it['s now
[12:15] <cbx33> not
[12:15] <cbx33> linux-headers-2.6.38.2-tweak_2.6.38.2-tweak-10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[12:15] <cbx33> linux-image-2.6.38.2-tweak_2.6.38.2-tweak-10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[12:16] <cbx33> are my package names
[12:16] <cbx33> do grub entries get added automatically
[12:16] <popey> you'll get a new entry in grub
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> cbx33: yes that's automagic
[12:17] <cbx33> ok sweeet
[12:20] <cbx33> does it install new "modules" direcctory too?
[12:20] <cbx33> and what happens when a "new" kernel version is released on the ubuntu repos?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> it should
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> then you get a new one -- as long as the metapackage is still installed I think
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> but I don't know if it goes to the top of grub automatically
[12:24] <cbx33> ahh ok
[12:24] <cbx33> that's no problem i can change that
[12:52] <JGJones> Hmm...I was just wondering...I can't remember any news where Google have sued other companies over patents?
[12:53] <JGJones> I know Google get sued a lot - ie by Oracle being the most recent, but what about Google suing others?
[12:55] <Laney> google is an OIN licensee
[13:27]  * brobostigon likes AlanBell's humour, in the email hejust sent to the mailing list.
[13:39]  * MooDoo will look at said email
[13:42]  * MooDoo likes said email....
[13:42] <Laney> MooDoo: if you get some CDs to Notts then I can put them around CS
[13:44] <MooDoo> Laney, yeah i'm asking AlanBell to get me some
[13:44] <Laney> that's what I was referring to :-)
[13:44] <MooDoo> :) Laney i'll keep you informed
[13:44] <Laney> aye aye
[13:54] <JGJones> Laney, as I understand - OIN is specifically for Linux only? Or have I got that wrong?
[13:55] <brobostigon> you are right, it is linux only.
[13:55] <MooDoo> Laney, where are you anyway?
[13:55] <MooDoo> Laney, fancy arranging an ubuntu hour?
[13:55] <JGJones> I was wondering this as just saw the news that the Nortel patents been bought out by a group of companies including MS, Apple etc.
[13:55] <Laney> it is indeed
[13:55] <Laney> MooDoo: beeston/university
[13:55] <MooDoo> damn didn't get an interview with canonical :(
[13:55] <MooDoo> Laney, awesome.....
[13:55] <Laney> and I don't fancy arranging much, but maybe I'd attend ...
[13:56] <Laney> what is one of those?
[13:56] <MooDoo> Laney, that's kinda what i meant :)
[13:56] <MooDoo> ubuntu hour, an hour in a coffee bar or something discussing and or using/installing ubuntu with like minded individuals
[13:58] <brobostigon> :)
[14:18] <kvarley> I can't get audio with my Dazzle DVC-100. I can get video but no audio
[14:38] <jimmie> Don't suppose anyone knows how to change the width of the unity launcher do they?
[14:40] <MooDoo> jimmie, maybe this will help? -http://ubuntu4beginners.blogspot.com/2011/04/tweak-unity-to-better-suit-your-needs.html
[14:41] <jimmie> Thanks alot MooDoo
[14:41] <Psychobudgie> don't suppose anyone in here has an idea what could be causing x to flick to a black screen every few seconds when running some opengl apps/games
[14:42] <Psychobudgie> there is nothing in the logs to indicate anything going pear shaped
[14:43] <MooDoo> bug #157580
[14:43] <MooDoo> that it Psychobudgie ?
[14:44] <Psychobudgie> yup, that's it
[14:44] <Psychobudgie> example
[14:44] <MooDoo> ok that's an old one lol
[14:44] <MooDoo> didn't look at the date lol
[14:44] <brobostigon> undecided status, somore information,the better, to confirm, and solve.
[14:44] <brobostigon> expired. hmm.
[14:44] <Psychobudgie> um no
[14:45] <Psychobudgie> thats not it
[14:45] <Psychobudgie> if I run minecraft, the game starts and runs fine but every 5 or 6 seconds the entire display will go black and then return
[14:46] <Psychobudgie> the applications all continue running
[14:46] <Psychobudgie> the display doesn't go onto standby so it's not a synch issue
[14:46] <AlanBell> "The Ubuntu Keyboard will be with you Monday - enjoy - and tell everyone. We will offer them out at the same price as the standard ones." - nice :)
[14:47] <Psychobudgie> also happens with other opengl games but doesn't occur while using compiz
[14:47] <Psychobudgie> and there is nothing in the logs to suggest anything is going wrong anywhere
[14:48] <Psychobudgie> oh and it only started occurring a few days ago, been absolutely fine up until then
[14:48] <MooDoo> no idea then sorry :(
[14:48] <MooDoo> not running a dual head system are you?
[14:49] <Psychobudgie> my money is on the driver but I cannot recall any changes or recent updates to the nvidia drivers
[14:49] <Psychobudgie> no
[14:49] <MooDoo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1610146
[14:49] <MooDoo> reqad that see if it's related?
[14:49] <Psychobudgie> got a 8600gt
[14:50] <MooDoo> hmm that doesn't help either, it started working after awhile
[14:51] <Psychobudgie> to be perfectly honest, in 2 years I had no major issues at all with my system, since installing natty I've had easily 2 years worth in the space of a few weeks.
[14:52] <Psychobudgie> not happy, actually considered going back to windows yesterday, then after punching myself repeatedly changed my mind
[14:52] <MooDoo> Psychobudgie, - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/+bug/660596   read this
[14:52] <kvarley> Psychobudgie: Windows isn't the solution to any problem.
[14:53] <MooDoo> there are lots of pages, bug if you search google, i just can't see anything actually specific to your problem
[14:53] <Psychobudgie> that's a different issue
[14:53] <Psychobudgie> it's almost as if the screensaver is kicking in briefly
[14:53] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: i would search yourself, on launchpad, as MooDoo said, there probeblkyloads of results.
[14:53] <Psychobudgie> I have
[14:54] <Psychobudgie> that's why I'm asking here
[14:54] <brobostigon> anything useful ?
[14:54] <Psychobudgie> nope
[14:54] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: report a new bug, if doesnt exist. :)
[14:54] <Psychobudgie> it's the lack of errors in the logs that's got me kerfuffled
[14:55] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: and prod the ubuntu-x chaps and gals, at it.
[14:58] <brobostigon> i prodded the ubuntu-x chaps and gals, about my gpu lockup innatty for ages, and itgot fixed, after some testing.
[14:58] <brobostigon> :)
[15:00] <Psychobudgie> I'm just wondering if it's perhaps the card
[15:00] <Psychobudgie> rather than x
[15:01] <Psychobudgie> it's getting on a bit, and I replaced the fan on it a couple of months ago
[15:01] <Psychobudgie> might open it up and have a look
[15:01] <brobostigon> hw failiure, shhould show up somewhere, either dmesg, syslog, ot otherwise.
[15:01] <brobostigon> or*
[15:01] <Psychobudgie> yeah, that's why I am suspecting the driver but you never know
[15:02] <brobostigon> any bugs filed directly for the nvidia driver you are using?
[15:02] <Psychobudgie> nopr
[15:02] <brobostigon> not just generally xorg.
[15:03] <Psychobudgie> nope, well not related
[15:03] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: i wouldfile a new bug, in that case, if it new, and notreportedyet, with as much informtion, and you cancram into it.
[15:05] <Psychobudgie> other than what I've typed here, there isn't much else I can provide as there is a distinct lack of errors
[15:05] <brobostigon> in as much detail, as you can.
[15:05] <Psychobudgie> which normally results in it being closed
[15:05] <brobostigon> Psychobudgie: hw informartion, so lshw, and you xorg logs, and you gpu model, etc, aswell.
[15:05] <Psychobudgie> think I'll try reseating the gpu fan just to be safe and then take it from there
[15:05] <Psychobudgie> cheers
[15:06] <Psychobudgie> bbiab
[15:06] <brobostigon> ok.
[15:08] <ali1234> you shouldn't remove gpu fan
[15:08] <ali1234> the heat pads are one-time use
[15:09] <ali1234> probably goes for modern heatsinks too
[15:09] <ali1234> cpu i mean
[15:12] <diplo> I've changed them before, couple of years ago albeit
[15:21] <MooDoo> yay they've been filming batman in nottingham lol
[15:22] <DJones> MooDoo: The Del Boy & Rodney version?
[15:22] <MooDoo> DJones, lol no the new batman movie
[15:22] <MooDoo> christian bale
[15:22] <diplo> MooDoo, will be in Notts on Tuesday. Please make sure lots of women out in the evening!
[15:22] <diplo> :)
[15:23] <MooDoo> diplo, you've no problem there matey :)
[15:23] <diplo> Was dead last time we were up, where as the time before it was some sort of toga party thing going on
[15:23] <diplo> But at that time I was still married!
[15:24] <MooDoo> ah you'll have to wait and see then :D
[15:26] <Psychobudgie> yay
[15:26] <Psychobudgie> it was the gpu
[15:26] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon,  well, memory to be precise
[15:27] <Psychobudgie> brobostigon,  wacked some thermal paste on to the chips and stuck a small heatsink onto them and voila
[15:27] <brobostigon> ok, :)
[15:28] <Psychobudgie> makes me wonder as to why it doesn't happen in windows though
[15:28] <brobostigon> not a clue.
[15:28] <Psychobudgie> makes me ponder as to whether the nvidia driver is running the gpu and memory at the right speed on the video card
[15:28] <brobostigon> i havent used a modern window, in over a decade. so no idea.
[15:29] <brobostigon> windows*
[15:29] <Psychobudgie> microsoft haven't written a 'modern windows' in over a decade so no probs
[15:30] <brobostigon> ok.
[15:31] <brobostigon> last version i used, for some reasonable amount of time, was windows 200.
[15:31] <brobostigon> windows 2000*
[15:31] <Psychobudgie> it was uncannily the last 'good' version of windows so you haven't missed anything
[15:31] <brobostigon> ok,
[15:32] <Psychobudgie> we kept all our windows dev boxes on 2000 until windows 7 appeared
[15:32] <brobostigon> ah,
[15:32] <Psychobudgie> we only moved then due to dependancies
[16:01] <bigcalm_> So it's only this machine that is dropping ever hour? Most strange
[16:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Launchpadding, bzr --verify-signatures, Desktop Summit - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4449
[16:29] <MooDoo> yippeee 1 more hour then i'm on my holidays :D
[16:29] <brobostigon> :)
[16:29]  * brobostigon gets a beer ready for MooDoo 
[16:30] <MooDoo> why thank you brobostigon
[16:33] <brobostigon> :)
[16:50]  * brobostigon changed google calendar back to classic look. the new one, filled more than a singleframe sohad to scroll, unlike with the old version.
[17:03] <shauno> it's fun when you google for an error message, and the only result returned is the source code :(
[17:09] <AlanBell> shauno: even more fun when you realise it was *you* that wrote it
[17:18] <shauno> ugh.  I need to reboot because upstart's a complete botch
[17:29] <popey> sam x mum
[17:29] <popey> ^^ sam typed that
[17:29] <nigelb> heh
[17:30] <AlanBell> o/ sam
[17:30] <nigelb> \o sam
[17:30] <nigelb> introducing sam to IRC at an early age, good idea :D
[17:30] <popey> ccccccccccccccccccccccccccesam
[17:31] <popey> xzxzxzjjjjjkkloiuuytrewe12345678901
[17:31] <popey> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvppppppppp
[17:32] <nigelb> heh
[17:32] <popey> xzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxxzxzxz
[17:32] <AlanBell> popey is making an unusual amount of sense today
[17:32] <AlanBell> ;)
[17:32] <laclasse> popey fell asleep on the kboard
[17:33] <Azelphur> it's true :P
[17:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: hehe
[17:33] <popey> nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnmsaaaaaaaam
[17:34] <popey> bgffddaxxzzz\zxcxxxxxxxxxzzzzzzxxxxxxxxxxxxxxz
[17:34] <popey> Ahem
[17:35] <nigelb> ^ he stopped the fun
[17:43] <safiyyah> hi guys am trying to set up nvidia on natty, i am stuck on something
[17:44] <safiyyah> is anyone free to help?
[17:44] <AlanBell> !ask
[17:45] <AlanBell> I haven't got an nvidia machine so I won't be much help
[17:49] <safiyyah> okay so I already have nvidia driver 173 installed on restricted drivers but it says that it is currently not active.
[17:49] <safiyyah> I changed the xorg. conf file to the one popey made me , I rebooted and nothing happened
[17:51] <safiyyah> I have over large pixels now, so have no idea if that is what is affecting my view of the menu or if the admin menu did actually disappear
[17:54] <safiyyah> ali1234, Azelphur , AlanBell , directhex , MartijnVdS
[17:55]  * Azelphur has been highlighted :o
[17:55] <Azelphur> can you not click activate?
[17:55] <safiyyah> there was no activate button, just remove
[17:55] <safiyyah> nvidia config is installed
[17:56] <Azelphur> you have an nvidia card?
[17:56] <safiyyah> nvidia X server settings* is installed and running
[17:56] <safiyyah> yes I do
[17:57] <Azelphur> safiyyah: maybe remove and install again in jockey
[17:57] <safiyyah> okay
[17:58] <safiyyah> I dont get anything when I search for restricted extras on the menu
[17:58] <safiyyah> can I remove it from the terminal?
[17:58] <safiyyah> remember I have a restricted menu because of my graphics
[17:58] <Azelphur> that statement made no sense o.O
[17:58] <Azelphur> restricted extras is nothing to do with nvidia drivers, what menu?
[17:59] <safiyyah> well you go to restricted extras, highlight the installed driver, click remove
[17:59] <safiyyah> or what did you mean then?
[18:00] <Azelphur> safiyyah: that's hardware drivers, restricted extras is a package
[18:00] <safiyyah> found it.... they changed it to additional drivers
[18:00] <safiyyah> okay I am removing it
[18:00] <Azelphur> yea :P
[18:00] <safiyyah> will reboot?
[18:00] <safiyyah> brb
[18:00] <Azelphur> yea, when it asks
[18:18] <safiyyah> Azelphur... all done, it just didnt seem to like the default installation which said it wasn't active, so removing it and starting over was the solution
[18:18] <safiyyah> many thanx
[18:18] <safiyyah> is anyone else on natty
[18:18] <safiyyah> ?
[18:18] <safiyyah> this menu.... needs getting used to LOL
[18:25] <Azelphur> safiyyah: good that it's fixed :D
[18:25] <Azelphur> safiyyah: yea, I run natty on all my machines
[18:41] <safiyyah> Azelphur, it like a large upgrade from lucid. Many changes, it like a brand new toy
[18:41] <safiyyah> are you using unity OR gnome 3
[18:48]  * MartijnVdS uses unity
[18:57] <safiyyah> MartijnVdS,   I have to get used to it! LOL
[18:57] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: is there a "system tray" place? Like for pidgin to live in?
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: there can be, but don't use pidgin
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> I use empathy
[19:03] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: hmmm. how do I add it?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: just click the envelope (top right)
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: it should show pidgin (if you set it to use the messaging/indicator menu)
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: or empathy
[19:35] <safiyyah> I think I am in love with gnome 3
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> I haven't really tried it yet
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> I heard it has even fewer configurable settings than unity has
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> and I think that would annoy me
[19:36] <safiyyah> MartijnVdS,  fewer!!!!!
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: yes
[19:36] <safiyyah> oh no, the lack of flexibility on the unity bar is doing my head in
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: it's as flexible as the Gnome 3 menu bar
[19:37] <safiyyah> but the look and feel, hmmm love at first sight!
[19:37] <safiyyah> lol so i just need to wait a year for it all to be ironed out
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> probably
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> 12.04 will be fine :)
[19:38] <safiyyah> I do feel like laughing at MS though, just when they nearly came close to catching up we sped ahead
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> well  the Unity bar feels a lot like the Windows 7 task bar
[19:38] <safiyyah> have the release cycles gone to 12 months and not 6 months anymore?
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: no they're still on 6 months, but 12.04 is the next LTS release
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: which is in a year
[19:39] <safiyyah> windows 7 task bar...  nothing will make me like windows, even though I run it on Virtual box
[19:39] <safiyyah> I do like their office package though
[19:39] <ali1234> 12.04 will be the first version where normal users have actually been able to contribute to the development version
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: what? how?
[19:40] <ali1234> let's say you are a normal user
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: normal users fixing bugs?
[19:40] <ali1234> you don't want to run ubuntu +1
[19:40] <ali1234> it's not possible to contribute to unity in a normal way without doing this
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> "this"?
[19:41] <AlanBell> why is 11.10 not that release then?
[19:41] <ali1234> this = "running ubuntu +1"
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> you mean "controversial" releases before LTS
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:41] <ali1234> because the version of natty needs gtk3 which isn't available in 11.04
[19:41] <ali1234> so you can't run unity from 11.10 on 11.04
[19:41] <ali1234> so when 11.10 comes out you will finally be able to run the development version on a distro that doesn't fall over every two days
[19:42] <ali1234> so then normal people will be able to contribute
[19:42] <AlanBell> ah, gotcha
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> Yeah oneiric is falling over every few days
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> :(
[19:42] <ali1234> so when 12.04 comes out we'll start to see enhancements from "normal" people filtering through
[19:42] <safiyyah> do you guys run development distros on VBox?
[19:43] <ali1234> and it might be slightly less of a complete mess
[19:43] <ali1234> safiyyah: hell no, vbox 3d acceleration still sucks which makes it hard to run unity
[19:43] <ali1234> i mean it works
[19:43] <ali1234> but you never know if it's a bug in vbox or unity
[19:43] <ali1234> so it's just not worth the hassle
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> there's unity-2d
[19:44] <ali1234> oh and in case you are wondering why not just contribute the the version of unity in the stable release... well there's no point because only major crash bugs will be fixed
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> there's no point in contributing to unity anyway
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> 1) copyright assignment
[19:45] <ali1234> well i tend to agree
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> 2) "The design says it's not a bug"
[19:45] <ali1234> but what else you going to do? go to gnome 3? loooooooooooool
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> +team
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: XFCE is still an option
[19:45] <ali1234> no
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: they went insane as well?
[19:46] <ali1234> xfce is awful
[19:46] <ali1234> xfce never got there act together in the first place
[19:46] <ali1234> it's like using a gui from 10 years ago
[19:47] <ali1234> if unity is a bad copy of os x then xfce is a bad copy of windows 95
[19:47] <ali1234> or possible a bad copy of gnome 2
[19:47] <ali1234> with some bits of kde thrown in for no reason
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: KDE is even worse though
[19:47] <ali1234> true
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> they still haven't recovered from the KDE4 fiasco
[19:47] <ali1234> kde4 "fiasco" is overblown
[19:47] <ali1234> kde4 has all the same problems kde3 had
[19:48] <ali1234> they haven't fixed any of them
[19:48] <ali1234> people who moaned about kde4 being "different" would have been better off complaining about al the things that were the same
[19:48] <ali1234> like the font rendering bugs
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks
[19:48] <ali1234> kde can't even centre text properly
[19:49] <ali1234> since about 2002
[19:49] <ali1234> the thing about kde is it only looks "good" if you use the default theme
[19:49] <ali1234> if you try to configure it at all everything just explodes and it looks like a mess
[19:50] <ali1234> due to afforementioned font rendering bugs, and others
[19:50] <ali1234> but the configurability of kde is supposed to be it's selling point
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: also.. every bit of free space in dialog boxes must be filled with configuration/tweaking options
[19:50] <ali1234> but i don't see how anyone could use anything but the defaults without going nuts
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> as if it's a law
[19:50] <ali1234> yeah the overuse of toolbars and dividable windows is annoying
[19:50] <ali1234> but you can turn off most of that
[19:51] <ali1234> turning off the icons on buttons helps a lot
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: don't forget the Amarok 1 vs 2 fanboi-war
[19:51] <ali1234> lol both versions of amarok suuuuuuck
[19:51] <ali1234> the main thing that makes kde look bad is the lack of a colour scheme
[19:52] <ali1234> even the default "everything is blue" still has icons with every single colour ever
[19:52] <ali1234> it makes everything look childish imo
[19:52] <ali1234> they need to get a nice mono icon set and make it the default
[19:53] <ali1234> and make it so you can configure things without hitting bugs
[19:53] <ali1234> and then i would switch to kde
[19:53] <safiyyah> ali1234,  i was pondering my dilema with continously dead hard drives
[19:54] <safiyyah> and I noticed when I was formating my new SSD that I normally do swap, /root partition and a /home partition. The thing is I have alwats set both as primary.
[19:54] <safiyyah> Today I set home as logical
[19:54] <safiyyah> I think this might have been a contributor to the panicked kernels etc?
[19:55] <safiyyah> MartinjnVds looks like am stuck on Unity. I miss having a customizable panel!!!!!
[19:56] <ali1234> safiyyah: no, that's not it
[19:57] <safiyyah> you can't change anything really apart from the wallpaper, it's like windows XP
[19:57] <safiyyah> no.... windows 7
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: you can change the colours
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: and the screen saver
[20:04] <matti> AlanBell: How is it that I am getting G+ mails from you? ;]
[20:04] <matti> AlanBell: How did you managed to do it? :)
[20:04] <matti> AlanBell: I have not G+ account ;p
[20:04]  * MartijnVdS does
[20:04] <matti> Show off ;p
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> but it's not my "real" google account
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> because that's apps and apps doesn't have profiles so no g+ for apps
[20:05] <AlanBell> matti: not entirely sure tbh
[20:05] <AlanBell> it does google magic with your contacts
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: could be buzz leaking through to g+ :)
[20:05] <matti> AlanBell: Hmm :)
[20:05] <matti> AlanBell: Have you got some spare invites?
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> matti: what's your gmail address?
[20:06] <matti> MartijnVdS: kswilczynski
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> matti: you should have emails
[20:07] <matti> MartijnVdS: Oh :) Thank you kind Sir ;]
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> matti: did it works?
[20:12] <matti> Hold on.
[20:12] <s-fox> Hello,
[20:12] <matti> MartijnVdS: No e-mails.
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> matti: hmmm... le strange
[20:13] <matti> :)
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> "Sending email invitations will be enabled soon!" :(
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> sorry
[20:15] <matti> No worries ;]
[20:16] <matti> Thanks ;)
[20:28]  * MartijnVdS starts hoping for good weather at the end of the month
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> (geeknic/scifi exhibition thingy)
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> matti: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1032/detail/
[20:39] <matti> MartijnVdS: ;]
[20:41] <suprengr> hiya's all - back home from working away & logging on I noticed a whoopsee in the topic...  Meeting 28th June 20:00 UK time - whoop-seeee  ;)
[20:41] <AlanBell> suprengr: yeah
[20:42] <suprengr> hi AlanBell  - good to be back
[20:44] <AlanBell> better?
[20:53] <suprengr> AlanBell, that'll do nicely - ta!   :D
[20:56] <safiyyah> MartijnVdS,  how do you add items into the "notification area?"
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: some apps are whitelisted, others can be added.. there's a howto on the wiki I think
[20:57] <safiyyah> thanx
[20:58] <safiyyah> MartijnVdS,  am I missing some kind of keyword, my searches return nada
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: "whitelist" and "unity"?
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1709517
[21:13] <safiyyah> MartijnVdS I did everything but the app is still not showing on the Unity System Tray
[21:13] <safiyyah> what did I miss :(
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: which app?
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: maybe it's in the messaging menu?
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> also, maybe you need to configure the app to actually show a notification icon?
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> or restart it?
[21:16] <safiyyah> I did...
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> so which app is it? :)
[21:17] <safiyyah> I take it now I can't have apps like the desktop alarm clock etc?
[21:17] <safiyyah> minbar
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: does that have a notification icon option?
[21:17] <safiyyah> yep
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: you can disable the blacklist completely, maybe that will help?
[21:18] <safiyyah> how does one do that?
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: isn't that in the howto?
[21:18] <safiyyah> no the how to is about creating a whitelist
[21:18] <safiyyah> and this one is DEF on the white list
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-re-enable-notification-area.html\
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> without the \
[21:31] <safiyyah> MartijnVdS,  okay I got it!!! yeiiii
[21:31] <safiyyah> lol, now everything goes on the system tray!
[21:31] <safiyyah> lol
[21:32] <safiyyah> i don't mind though
[23:40] <StevenR> wow. Firefox 5. Still not getting on with unity :S
[23:40] <StevenR> (those two aren't related)