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duanedesignmorning all08:46
faganmorning duanedesign09:05
duanedesigno/09:05
faganduanedesign: documenting is hard work09:05
fagan:/09:05
fagan:D09:05
ralsinagood morning ubuntuone!11:37
duanedesigno/11:37
faganmorning ralsina12:00
ralsinamorning fagan, duanedesign12:02
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* mandel walking dog12:35
Chipacanessita: morning!12:47
nessitahello everyone!12:47
nessitahi Chipaca12:47
ralsinahola nessita12:55
nessitahola ralsina!12:56
ralsinanessita: I just reported a tiny bug in humanize(), I canfix it myself if you don't mind12:57
ralsinabug #80427112:57
ubot4Launchpad bug 804271 in ubuntuone-control-panel "humanize returns things like "1.0 Bytes" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80427112:57
nessitaralsina: sure, you can fix. What would you expect there?12:57
ralsina1 Byte12:57
nessitaah, good12:58
ralsinaor let's say we ignore pluralization, 1 Bytes12:58
ralsina;)12:58
nessitaralsina: can you add tests for humanize? there aren't any12:58
ralsinanessita: sure12:58
nessitathanks12:58
ralsinaSHAME ON YOU!12:58
ralsina;)12:58
nessita:-)12:58
nessitayou 100% right12:59
rye1.5 bytes12:59
ryeOnce a virtual aircraft designer came to a programmer who was responsible for the model and asked him to make texture a half-pixel lower. The programmer agreed easily.13:01
rye7 years have passed and I still don't understand how that could happen13:01
ralsinarye: you know, now we use LCDs we *do* have sub-pixel positioning and such13:02
ralsinaNot half-pixel, but 1/3rd of a pixel? Sure :-)13:02
ryeralsina, but 0.5 pixel down, not right or left and all our displays have horizontal subpixels :'-(13:03
ralsinarye: use antialiasing! Make the top pixel half-the-color :-)13:03
ralsinarye: I am just joking, BTW ;-)13:04
ryeralsina, hm, haven't thought about that, actually13:04
ryeok, confirming, the only carrier that has issues with my Acer Liquid E phone here is the one that i am using. Splendid.13:06
ralsinanessita: I am changing the unit "bytes" to "B" to avoid having to care about pluralization13:06
nessitaralsina: wait13:06
nessitawe can't13:06
ralsinawhy?13:06
ralsinait's a valid ISO unit13:06
nessitaralsina: we need to follow a given unity policy13:06
nessitaralsina: looking the wiki to see if that's valid...13:07
ralsinaok, the odds of someone selecting a folder less that 1KiB are nul13:07
ralsinanot to mention him noticing the "s"13:07
nessitaralsina: I'm not sure if that's valid or not https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy13:10
ralsinaI can always make this stop at a higher unit, report in KiB as the smallest13:11
ralsinamakes sense for disk sizes13:12
Chipacaralsina: fwiw, in most filesystems (i think FAT is a notable exception, but ISOwhatsit for cds is another) takes up a block, so between 1k and 8k13:17
Chipacaralsina: *a directory takes up13:17
Chipacaralsina: mkdir foo; du foo13:18
ralsinaChipaca: yes, but the way we are calculating, it takes 0, because calculating that is *hard*13:18
ralsinaDo folders take quota in u1?13:18
Chipacano, they don't13:18
Chipacatoday13:18
ralsinathen I am doing it right (TM)13:18
ralsinatoday13:18
Chipacathat coulc change if people start abusing it13:18
Chipaca*could13:18
* ralsina writes script to encode mp3 as folder names13:18
nessitaChipaca: is the VM un-suspended?13:18
Chipacanessita: no13:19
Chipacanessita: should it be13:19
nessitaChipaca: is there any chance to un-suspend it?13:19
Chipaca?13:19
Chipacanessita: unsuspended13:19
nessitathanks!13:19
nessitaChipaca: your connection seems kinda "choked", weird because yesterday it was fine. Maybe she has some other tasks to attend on mon, wed and fri? :-)13:22
Chipacanessita: i can confirm it works fine from here13:22
Chipacanessita: yep13:22
nessitaok13:23
* nessita -> cold -> hot tea making13:23
Chipacamandel: ping13:38
ChipacaNeoti: question for you, ma'am, as the keeper of the holy grail of testing13:54
thisfredshould that not be nessita?13:54
Chipacadidn't i ... oh13:54
Chipacanessita: question for you, ma'am, as the keeper of the holy grail of testing13:54
nessitashoot13:55
Chipacathisfred: thank you13:55
thisfred;)13:55
Chipacanessita: i'd like to do a minor code change that shouldn't break anything but that should get us into being able to spot problems early on: adding 'b' to every single file/open/whatever call13:56
Chipacanessita: from what i can tell most places where we aren't specifying 'b' are kinda ok with it because we're reading text files, but that is more accident than intent13:57
Chipacanessita: but, that does mean that it's not something that can be tested for, really13:57
Chipacait'll just improve the smelliness of the non-b opens13:57
nessitaChipaca: so, I have this doubt. Do we always want to use the 'b' (100% of the time)?13:58
Chipacawelll.... either 'b', or 'U' :)13:58
nessitaChipaca: I would expect that, for handling metadata files, we will not use it13:58
ralsinanessita: for your next context switch, trivial branch for humanize: https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-control-panel/fix_804271/+merge/6659513:58
ralsinaU?13:58
Chipacanessita: which metadata files?13:58
Chipacaralsina: universal newlines13:58
ralsinaok13:59
nessitaChipaca: volume manager has metadata, tritcask13:59
Chipacanessita: vm metadata is different from tritcask?14:00
nessitano14:00
nessitaalso, fsm has metadata as well14:00
nessitaanyways14:01
nessitame14:01
nessitaChipaca: let's continue on the meeting I'm interested :-)14:01
ralsiname14:01
mandelChipaca: pong14:01
mandelme14:01
ralsinathisfred dobey alecu fagan mandel ping14:02
thisfredme14:02
dobeyme14:02
alecuhello!14:02
alecume14:02
nessitaDONE: testing, testing and more syncdaemon testing in windows. Reported several bugs.14:03
nessitaTODO: have control panel tests running in windows.14:03
nessitaBLOCKED: nopes14:03
nessitaNEXT: ralsina14:03
ralsinaDONE14:03
ralsina* Windows call14:03
ralsina* Reviews14:03
ralsina* Talked to claire, straightened up design's situation re: installer14:03
ralsina* Closed bug #803675, bug #803661, bug #803677, proposed fix for bug #80427114:03
ralsina* Working on bug #80037614:03
ralsinaTODO14:03
ubot4Launchpad bug 803675 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "Replace txnamedpipes with qtreactor (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80367514:03
ubot4Launchpad bug 803661 in ubuntu-sso-client "The Qt existing user login widget is incomplete. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80366114:03
ubot4Launchpad bug 803677 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "Make the "current user sign in" page match the design wireframe (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80367714:03
ubot4Launchpad bug 804271 in ubuntuone-control-panel "humanize returns things like "1.0 Bytes" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80427114:03
ubot4Launchpad bug 800376 in ubuntuone-windows-installer "Add "syncing your computer to the cloud" page to the installer (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80037614:03
ralsinafinish that bug, polish SSO pages14:03
ralsinaBLOCKED: no14:03
ralsinanest mandel14:04
nessitaNOTE: I'm not working next Monday14:04
ralsinaNEXT mandel :-)14:04
thisfrednested mandels? NOOOO (brain explodes)14:04
nessitalol14:04
thisfredmandelbrot?14:04
nessitamandel: go!14:04
alecujaaaaa14:04
mandelDONE: Worked on bug 802498 I\m kind of stuck with it, will be working on other so that we move foward.14:05
mandelTODO: bug 803984 and bug 80404714:05
mandelBLOCKED: well little with 802498 so will move to the other two and try that one alter.14:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 802498 in ubuntuone-client "Error when doing a partial commit on windows (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80249814:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 803984 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: Inifite loop between upload started -> upload error (TRY_AGAIN) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80398414:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 804047 in ubuntuone-client "Windows: WindowsError on volume_manager (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80404714:05
thisfredDONE: Bug #803930 Bug #794936 Bug #762722 TODO: Bug #803930 Bug #762722 BLOCKED: no NEXT: dobey14:05
mandelthisfred: go, right?14:05
thisfredyep14:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 803930 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu) "Services tab fails with: Value could not be retrieved. (Unauthorized: ('unauthorized', 'Authentication required.')) (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80393014:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 794936 in ubuntuone-client "Tests are failing in trunk because of message language (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79493614:05
* DiegoSarmentero joins ubuntuone14:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 762722 in ubuntuone-control-panel (and 1 other project) "Opening the Control Panel during sync removes progress indicator (affects: 1) (heat: 9)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76272214:05
nessitahola DiegoSarmentero!14:05
DiegoSarmenteronessita, buenas14:05
alecuhello DiegoSarmentero!14:05
nessitathisfred: you went?14:06
DiegoSarmenterome14:06
dobeyλ DONE: objectives, failed attempt to get u1cp on lucid14:06
dobeyλ TODO: hack day (changeup)14:06
dobeyλ BLCK: None.14:06
dobeyalecu: go14:07
alecuDONE: refactored all ipc setup together in u1-client, and moved u1-client to plain reactor (bug #803640). made ubuntuone-control-panel work on qtreactor (bug #803641), and get the credentials from sso14:07
alecuTODO: fix sd getting credentials from sso, and some u1cp->sd calls14:07
alecuBLOCKED: no14:07
ubot4Launchpad bug 803640 in ubuntuone-client "Replace txnamedpipes with the standard twisted reactor (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80364014:07
ubot4Launchpad bug 803641 in ubuntuone-control-panel "Replace txnamedpipes with the qtreactor (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80364114:07
nessitaDiegoSarmentero: go! (you know how this works?)14:07
ralsinaOh, it's official?14:07
DiegoSarmenteroTODO: finish paperwork, set up things, start styling hopefully14:08
ralsinayay!14:08
DiegoSarmenteroBLOCKED: just starting14:08
nessitaDiegoSarmentero: awesome :-)14:08
dobeyque?14:08
thisfredhola DiegoSarmentero, joining the team? :)14:08
Chipacadobey: DiegoSarmentero is a contractor who'll be helping us with styling qt a bit14:08
alecuDiegoSarmentero, welcome!14:09
dobeyah, ok14:09
DiegoSarmenteroalecu, thanks14:09
nessitaeveryone: DiegoSarmentero will be helping us with the CSS styling14:09
nessitaah, Chipaca said that already :-)14:09
thisfredawesome, welcome!14:09
mandelDiegoSarmentero: hola! bienvenido!14:09
DiegoSarmenterothisfred, thanks :D14:09
nessitaChipaca: shall we have our meeting in skype so DiegoSarmentero can join us?14:09
mandelChipaca: were you after me?14:09
Chipacamandel: not really. was going to ask about branches that added 'b', but i've started a metadiscussion about it instead14:10
Chipacanessita: sure14:10
dobeythisfred: could you please answer my questions on your i18n tests merge proposal?14:10
Chipacanessita: he's not yet in the right places to be able to mumble14:10
mandelChipaca: oh, ok I was thinking of not forcing b at all since we do not want to read text files as binary14:11
alecuChipaca, and you are, right?14:11
Chipacamandel: yeah... but if they're not 'b' they should be 'U', right?14:11
mandelChipaca: although tritcask is very binary and all temp files are too (you do not want to change EOL in a file since from Unix, that is wrong..)14:11
Chipacamandel: also: most of our files are not text files :)14:11
dobeymandel: unicode != text, even if it's a text file though :)14:11
Chipacayeah, if we don't use 'b', a person won't be able to share metadata between windows and unix (HAH!)14:12
thisfreddobey: done14:12
nessitaChipaca: which we want!14:12
Chipacanessita: share metadata file between windows and unix?14:12
alecumandel, what files do you want to open or write in non "b"?14:12
Chipacanessita: really? like, mount their windows home as their unix home?14:12
alecumandel, my understanding is that u1 should open everything in "b"14:12
nessitaChipaca: we want people not to be able to do that14:13
nessitaa person won't be able to share metadata between windows and unix <- "which we want!"14:13
Chipacaalecu: not clear to me if the config files should be opened in 'b'. probably not. but if not, in 'U', is my point14:13
mandelChipaca, alecu: yes, I cannot think of any reason why b should not be used… maybe the best is to use rb as the default, but do not for a b if the mode was passed14:13
Chipacaif we use 'b' for the config file, a user won't be able to edit the config file in notepad, afaict14:14
mandelnessita: we want people to share metadata? really? I though if the metadata is present and files are not sd wil believe you deleted the data14:14
ralsinaTrying to decide if we use b or not based on the file is trying to be too smart. We don't use b because in linux is a no-op, that's all.14:14
alecuChipaca, not in notepad, but yes in every other text editor in windows. But I see your point.14:14
Chipacabut anyway, that's a minor small itty bitty tiny special case. Everything else? b14:14
alecu+114:14
mandelChipaca: yes, but we are not opening config with open_file, that is mainly restritect to the syncdaemon package where you should ways use open_file except in tritcask because it will be a diff project at some point14:15
ralsinaThe set of notepad users who use linux on the side is tiny and they will know what to do.14:15
nessitaChipaca: I'm not familiar with the U, besides what you've just said. Does it handle binary files "properly" on both platforms?14:15
Chipacanessita: "no"14:16
alecuralsina, but we want that set to increase to people "not knowing" they are using linux, ie: common users using an oem device.14:16
nessitaChipaca: ack14:16
alecuralsina, and if they have some issue in their windows device, we'll ask them to edit the config. And only notepad will be installed....14:16
nessitaChipaca, mandel, ralsina, alecu: we'll be having our daily mumble at 10:30 ART (in 14 minutes). We won't do skype since Diego can't do any voice conversation at the moment14:17
ralsinaalecu: the config file is not open by syncdaemon but by some library, surely!14:17
nessitaChipaca, mandel, ralsina, alecu: until then, I'll help DiegoSarmentero setup his env\14:17
alecuralsina, surely! it's called configglue14:17
Chipaca./ubuntuone/syncdaemon/action_queue.py:2473:            self.tempfile = open(self.tempfile.name)14:17
ralsinaalecu: ergo, not important for this argument :-)14:17
nessitaChipaca, mandel: is ok if I move the wiki instructions to a public place, so DiegoSarmentero can access that?14:18
mandelnessita: I think it is14:18
Chipacanessita: yes. Please note the move in our wiki.14:18
nessitaChipaca: can I move between canonical and ubuntu wikis?14:18
mandelChipaca: that line should be using oen_file and 'rb' although open_file will be taking care of long  paths that could happen if the user chose a weird root path14:19
Chipacanessita: yes. Note https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Contribute/WindowsTesting.14:19
Chipacamandel: that was the only one that stood out in trunk right now; the reason i pinged you was because you might've had some of this in progress already14:20
Chipacabut, that's a bug that would corrupt binary uploads14:21
ralsinaargh, microsoft doesn't document the value of their magic constants :-(14:21
nessitaralsina: welcome to the jungle!14:22
mandelChipaca: yes I have, I need to sort out the tests14:22
alecunessita, mandel that wiki page seems very outdated... We should remove what's obsolete.14:22
nessitawe have fun and games14:22
nessitaalecu: the public one? yes, that was for the old beta14:22
mandelalecu: indeed, I think we should just remove it entirely14:22
ralsinaoh, well, it's probably 6.... YES!14:22
nessitaalecu: I was planning on updating right now for DiegoSarmentero14:22
Chipacaralsina: of course not, they wouldn't be magic if they did!14:23
ralsinaChipaca: at least there's only 90 of them or so! http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb762494(v=vs.85).aspx14:24
nessitaChipaca: I'm trying to catch your attention in mumble14:24
DiegoSarmenteronessita, ralsina please let me know as soon as you have something that I can start reading... I've already have python and bazaar14:25
nessitaDiegoSarmentero: yes, working on making public the wiki page. For now, I'll make a copy and pastebin it14:26
ralsinaDiegoSarmentero: you can check ubuntuone-windows-installer on launchpad14:27
ralsinaDiegoSarmentero: but without the setup nessita is sending you you won't be able to run much14:27
ralsinaDiegoSarmentero: I will be giving you access to our wireframes and texts14:27
DiegoSarmenteroralsina, ok, thanks!14:27
DiegoSarmenteroralsina, nessita I'll be dedicated to this 100% after 6pm, but I can take a look at documentation and some code before when you have it :)14:28
ralsinaDiegoSarmentero: have a gmail account?14:29
DiegoSarmenteroyes: diego.sarmentero14:29
nessitaralsina, alecu, mumble?14:30
ralsinaDiegoSarmentero: will share the relevant docs ASAP14:30
DiegoSarmenteroralsina, thanks! :D14:31
alecunessita, ralsina: I can create a pdf out of the wiki page, and send it to DiegoSarmentero14:31
ralsinaBTW, here are the constants :-) https://pastebin.canonical.com/49269/14:32
faganGod so sorry poped down to a friends to drop something off and took an hour rather than 5 mins14:47
faganme14:49
faganALMOST DONE * port tutorials to rst BLOCKED NO14:49
Chipacaegrep -rn --include '*.py' --color=always '\b(file|open|fdopen) *\(' . | grep -v platform/linux | less -R14:50
faganon that im down to the last one so shouldnt be too long14:50
Chipacaalecu: nessita: ralsina: mandel: ^^14:50
ralsinafagan:  a biiiiiiit late for standup14:51
faganralsina: yeah I know I left about 1:30 to drop something to a friend who lives 5 minutes away and ended up having to walk all the way across town14:52
faganralsina: weird week for me got to say14:52
nessitaalecu: I did it already :-)14:54
Chipacalisette: could you share the RTC designs for the control panel with DiegoSarmentero?15:00
Chipacalisette: and for the installer15:00
lisettechipaca: do you have an email address?15:00
DiegoSarmenterolifeless, diego.sarmentero@gmail.com15:01
Chipacalisette: I have several! so does diego :-p15:01
DiegoSarmenterolisette, diego.sarmentero@gmail.com15:01
Chipacalisette: thank you!15:01
* mandel super quick late lunch15:01
ralsinaDiegoSarmentero: I shared a bunch of gdocs to you, let me know if you have problems reading them15:02
DiegoSarmenteroralsina, yes, i'm reading them15:03
DiegoSarmenteroralsina, thanks15:03
ralsinaDiegoSarmentero: cool15:03
lisetteChipaca, DiegoSarmentero: done and duh! :P15:04
DiegoSarmenteroDiegoSarmentero, received15:04
Chipacadamn, 5 minutes into the job and he's already talking to himself15:06
faganChipaca: you guys hire all the crazies :)15:07
* fagan included 15:07
Chipacafagan: we try to. usually we limit ourselves to the productive ones, mind.15:08
lisette:)15:08
dobeyChipaca: shhh, trade secrets.15:09
ChipacaTEA TIME!15:09
faganChipaca: yeah crazy with a good hint of productive is a good mix15:09
alecunessita, mandel: so, in pylintrc there's this config option called "bad-functions", where we could add file and open and fdopen15:10
nessitaalecu: wow15:10
alecunessita, mandel: but I've just realized we are not using pylint on u1-client anymore :-(15:10
nessitaalecu: we can switch back15:11
* nessita runs15:11
alecu:-)15:11
alecuon the other hand pyflakes has no docs nor config file :-(15:11
nessitaChipaca, mandel: can I nuke https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Contribute/WindowsTesting and replace that with the current one + tweaks?15:12
nessitaalecu: I would say let's use pylint again, but that will generate thousands of errors15:12
nessitaalecu: is not doable in the short term15:12
alecuright15:12
fagannessita: are we encouraging outsiders to come in and test?15:13
nessitafagan: not yet, but soon15:13
Chipacaadd a grep to the tester that errors out if there's a file/open/fdopen outside of known-good places15:13
nessitaralsina: can you mumble for a little bit?15:26
ralsinanessita: in 10'?15:27
nessitaralsina: sure15:27
ralsinanessita: ok, I'm free now. Was on the phone15:31
nessitaralsina: we're waiting for lucio15:31
ralsinanessita: oh, that call. Ok15:32
nessita:-)15:32
dobeymandel: ? i don't quite understand bug #80433516:10
ubot4Launchpad bug 804335 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "Provide a way to extend the pylint checks (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80433516:10
dobeyChipaca: what mterry's branch needs, is commit message, not more reviews. :)16:11
Chipacadobey: ah!16:12
* Chipaca facepalms16:13
dobeylunch time. bbiab16:27
DiegoSarmenterolunch time. brb16:44
ralsinaI just got the most amazingly illegal gadget from dealextreme.com: A handheld mame emulator preloaded with 50000 ROMs16:57
faganralsina: keep cool dont freak out. Ill check outside for some cops :)16:58
faganthey'll never take us alive16:59
nessitabrb16:59
alecuralsina, bueníiiiiiisimo! How's your wii doing?17:02
ralsinaalecu: doing great! tato and I have lots of fun with it. He's a mean swordsman, though. Has freakish handspeed17:02
faganalecu: what does the ? in the middle of the buen?iiiiisiomo do?17:03
* fagan doesnt understand the spanish language 17:03
ralsinafagan: taht's not a ? that's a í17:03
alecufagan, it's an "i" with accent. You should stop using OSX17:03
faganalecu: this is in ubuntu17:04
faganralsina: must not have that char then :)17:04
faganalecu: im using the english char set id say and I dont have that17:05
alecufagan, what's your IRC client?17:05
faganirssi17:05
alecufagan, try "echo $LANG" in another term. What does it say?17:06
faganit actually didnt output anything17:06
faganwow17:06
fagan:D17:06
faganen_ie17:06
* fagan typed it wrong17:06
alecufagan, my stock natty installed in english says "en_US.UTF-8"17:07
faganalecu: well you can always change it :)17:08
alecufagan, anyway, you asked about "accents". In spanish it means "speak this syllable louder"17:08
faganalecu: so its like gooooooooooAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL  when listening to spanish football casters17:08
alecujajajaja17:08
faganwe just use caps in english17:09
faganbreak for a little bit still have an hour of work left although I have the work finished ish just need to fix some stuff17:19
faganoh and ralsina im having a weird problem. rst is giving me an error when I try to put an image in the middle of a list17:20
ralsinafagan: how are you putting it, pastebin the fragment17:20
faganralsina: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/636423/17:21
ralsinafagan: I am *so* sure that's not what you have in your document :-(17:22
ralsinaIn any case, leave an empty line above and below the image17:22
faganralsina: yeah I just did that to show you the context ill actually pastebin a bit from the doc if you want17:23
ralsinafagan, that is not context. Context means "these are the bits surrounding the part where I have the problem". If you give me *this* piece of invalid rst, and I gibe you the right solution for that other invalid piece of rst, that's called luck.17:24
faganralsina: ok ill grab a pastebin of it17:24
ralsinaTry my suggestion first17:24
faganralsina: yep had a space below and above all the images http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/636425/17:26
faganOh I figured it out17:27
faganI needed to move the image block a space in17:27
mandeldobey: sorry maybe by descriptions sucks17:27
ralsinafagan more likely 3 spaces17:27
ralsinafagan: why are your items indented one space?????17:28
mandeldobey: on u1client we want to be able to add a rule that will block a branch we you are using open instead of open_file17:28
ralsinaitems go flush left. If you indent a block, it's a quote.17:28
mandeldobey: like a new pylint rule17:28
dobeymandel: i don't think that belongs in pylint. and there isn't really any way for us to do that in devtools17:29
faganralsina: oh I didnt know I should indent more. Wont take too much to fix I suppose. Anyway thanks :)17:29
ralsinafagan: no, listen to me.17:29
dobey[dobey@lunatari:~]: pydoc open_file17:29
dobeyno Python documentation found for 'open_file'17:29
dobeymandel: what is open_file?17:29
ralsinafagan: you fixed it indenting one space because all the rest of the file is indented wrong.17:29
faganralsina: yeah I got that I was saying that ill go indent everything with 317:30
ralsinafagan: NO17:30
ralsinafagan: your items should not be indented at all.17:30
faganralsina: ooooh17:30
ralsinafagan: please go read the restructured text quickstart :-(17:31
mandeldobey: is a wrapper around open that ensures that u1client always uses the b mode unless explecitly told othrwise17:31
ralsinafagan: http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html17:31
faganralsina: i did but skipped over the style and went right to the syntax17:31
ralsinafagan: This*IS* syntax17:32
ralsinafagan: specifically, an indented block is the syntax for a block quote17:32
ralsinaSo all your section is inside a block quote17:32
dobeymandel: hrmm, i am not sure there is any good way to do that :(17:32
ralsinafagan: Also, if you want the image to be part of the item, it has to be indented in. If it's outside the list, it's not indented. That is the list syntax.17:33
ralsinafagan: so, read it please instead of arguing, please mmmmkay?  It's short and clear ;-)17:33
mandeldobey: we can put it as a wishlist item and hen think about the best approach later17:34
faganralsina: wasnt really agruing just interperated what you said wrong17:34
faganralsina: its cool and wont take that long to fix17:34
mandeldobey: the idea is that in te future we would like to enfore certain rules so that new patches r changes do not brake multiplatform17:34
faganralsina: thanks17:34
nessitaChipaca, mandel: I repeat my question from before, I missed the answers (if there were any): can I nuke https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Contribute/WindowsTesting and replace that with the current one + tweaks?17:34
dobeymandel: i get the idea, but i can't think of any good/easy way to do that17:34
mandelnessita: sorry I though I answered, I'd say go for it17:35
Chipacanessita: NUKE!17:35
mandeldobey: yeah.. is a hard thing to do...17:35
ralsinaGotta go to the bank and lunch, so will be gone for a while...17:37
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Chipacanessita: DiegoSarmentero seems to be afk. I'll be online tonight late my time, hopefully in time to give him a hand.17:44
DiegoSarmenteroChipaca, i'm here17:50
DiegoSarmenteroChipaca, i was having lunch17:50
* mandel EOD17:57
mandeleveryone have a great weekend!!!17:58
dobeymandel: that's what she said! :)17:58
fagandobey: that was a knee slapper18:02
munhi18:06
mun i'm having a problem with ubuntu one: i keep getting an error saying "file sync error. (auth failed (AUTH_FAILED))". My username and password are correct because I can get in through the web interface. does anyone know what's wrong?18:06
muni can't find syncdaemon.log under .config/ubuntuone because the folder is empty.18:08
alecumun, it should be ".cache/ubuntuone/log", not ".config..."18:08
dobeyas alecu said, logs are under .cache, not .config18:12
dobeyhrmm, python test coverage thing is confusing. how do i tell what it's saying is not being checked?18:13
munoh right18:15
nessitamandel: ping18:24
dobeyah18:25
dobeynessita: he just left18:25
nessitadobey: right, thanks18:25
dobeyhrmm, "python-coverage report' isn't especially helpful either18:25
dobeyhrmm, and how do i put something on the system bus.18:27
alecudobey, you got to stop it first: http://urlitzer.org/18:31
* alecu hides18:31
dobeyeh18:31
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nessitaDiegoSarmentero: I've moved the wiki page to the public wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Contribute/WindowsTesting. I'm improving it, please let me know if something is wrong/missing while you use it19:05
DiegoSarmenteronessita, ok!19:06
nessitaI need to reboot now19:06
nessitabrb!19:06
dobeysigh. dbus is such a pain19:08
ralsinanessita: quick question. We had decided that if the control panel doesn't have the credentials, it will start the wizard, right?19:11
nessitaralsina: yes, we didn't find any complications at the time19:12
nessita(but we never actually implemented it -yet-)19:12
ralsinanessita: cool. When I was at the bank I starte thinking about how the default SSO UI is different :-)19:12
nessitaralsina: how?19:12
ralsinanessita: well, the texts don't match our wireframes, it doesn't show exactly the same buttons, and so on19:13
ralsinaI am overriding some things on the wizard, and I would have to move them to sso19:13
nessitaralsina: ralsinaare those configurable?19:14
ralsinanessita: yes19:14
nessitaralsina: from the installer?19:14
ralsinanessita: but it's a lot of detail work19:14
ralsinanessita: yep19:14
ralsinaSSO client is pretty flexible19:14
nessitaralsina: ok, I'll guess when we show what we have to design, we'll ask about this19:14
nessitaralsina: it should be early next week19:15
ralsinaWe could plug completely different UI files if we wanted19:15
nessita(~Wed)19:15
ralsinayeah, I expect to have the wizard complete for monday19:15
nessitagreat19:15
ralsinaI have lost too much time not coding (but doing important stuff) today :-(19:15
* nessita too19:16
nessitaalecu: you running natty up to date?19:18
dobeyoh19:21
nessitaanyone running natty: what does uname -a gives you?19:29
dobeythe expected results. what are you looking for specifically?19:30
nessitadobey: kernel version19:33
dobeyuname -r is the option for just that then :)19:34
dobey2.6.38-9-generic19:34
dobeyis what i have19:34
dobeybut that's what i'm running currently anyway19:34
dobey  Candidate: 2.6.38.10.2519:34
dobeyis what the latest is i guess19:34
nessitadobey: weird, my package manager is reporting19:36
nessita--\ Obsolete and Locally Created Packages (6)19:36
nessita  --\ admin - Administrative utilities (install software, manage users, etc) (2)19:36
nessita    --\ main - Fully supported Free Software. (2)19:36
nessitai     linux-image-2.6.38-10-generic                                       2.6.38-10. <none>19:36
nessitai     linux-image-2.6.38-9-generic                                        2.6.38-9.4 <none>19:36
nessitaI guess that since I had natty-proposed enabled for a while, my system went nuts19:38
dobeyhmm, i have proposed enabled though19:39
dobeyand 2.6.38.10.25 is in proposed right now19:39
alecunessita, 2.6.38-8-generic19:43
nessitaalecu: thanks19:43
nessitadobey: yeah, I have installed everything from proposed a while ago and then disabled the repo19:43
dobeyah19:47
nessitaChipaca: you back!!! thanks20:10
nessita(well, you VM is back, which for now is all that matters :-P)20:10
nessitaChipaca: no-hurry-ping20:12
Chipacanessita: my internets went tits up for a little while20:19
Chipacanessita: laid-back-pong20:19
nessitaChipaca: do you have resources (ie disk space, cpu power) to run another VM? I would like a copy of the existing w7 but in its initial state, so I can review all the instructions from the cleaned up page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Contribute/WindowsTesting20:20
Chipacanessita: I do20:21
Chipacanessita: now?20:21
nessitais there any chance you setup up this extra vm soon?20:21
nessitaideally, yes20:21
Chipacanessita: try :3, tell me if that's the right one or if i should go further back in time20:24
nessitaack20:26
nessitaChipaca: seems right, but the mouse is crazy, you need to apply the crazy setting for it :-)20:27
Chipacanessita: turn off acceleration. gimme a sec.20:28
ralsinanessita chipaca: just so you see I am not idle, just quiet: http://screencast.com/t/RSPMRhv620:28
nessitaralsina: good work! is it intentional that 'at least 8 caracters' is green and the rest red?20:29
ralsinanessita: of course20:29
ralsinanessita: it's in the mockup :-)20:29
nessitathat's odd20:29
nessitaralsina: it makes no sense20:29
ralsinahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/804344/+attachment/2186606/+files/sing-up-mockup.png20:29
ubot4Launchpad bug 804344 in ubuntu-sso-client "Sign Up page cleanup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]20:29
ralsinanessita: yes it does. It goes green when there *are* 8 characters20:30
nessitaah.... tricky. I couldn't see that from the screenshot, sorry20:30
ralsinaOk, so it should be a green tick instead of a green line ;-)20:30
nessitaright!20:30
ralsinaWhat I am not doing now because it's much harder than I expected is the arrow-shape for the assistance widget20:31
ralsinaAnd it drives me nuts that the captcha is wider than the other things, but that's not fixable20:31
nessitaralsina: captcha size is fixed and will always have the same size20:32
ralsinanessita: exactly. I could resize the image clientside but it's gross20:33
nessitaralsina: no no, please20:35
nessitaralsina: the design should be made around the captcha size20:35
ralsinathey are hard enough already :-)20:35
ralsinaYes, I can do that20:35
ralsinaanyone kow the exact size of a recaptcha?20:36
nessitaralsina: just download one and see20:37
ralsinayeah20:37
nessitaChipaca: you let me know when "turn off acceleration" is ready?20:37
Chipacanessita: done, sorry20:38
nessitaChipaca: thanks!20:39
ralsinanessita: there, much nicer: http://screencast.com/t/8cx3dmZIy8NI20:40
nessitaralsina: what if the suer has other font size?20:40
nessitaboom!20:40
nessita:-)20:40
nessitaor other screen resolution?20:40
ralsinanessita: it adjusts gracefully20:40
nessitaoh, that's great20:41
nessitahow are you resizing?20:41
ralsinaThat is, the recaptcha stays the same size, everything else gets bigger20:41
ralsinanessita: I am not, Qt does it20:41
nessitaoh that's nice20:41
ralsinalet me show you a demo with silly font sizes20:41
dobey7pt?20:42
ralsinadobey, no, 28pt http://screencast.com/t/waDErFn05y20:42
ralsinadobey: and here is is with 6pt: http://screencast.com/t/YfkFGPlZU20:43
dobeyman, font rendering is blurry on windows20:43
nessitaralsina: the text next to teh captcha should resize with the rest, right? any idea why is not happening?20:44
ralsinanessita: over-specified html20:44
ralsinafixing it now :-)20:44
nessitagreat20:44
nessitaBy signing up you agree blah blah?20:44
nessitalol20:44
nessitaralsina: typo "Shw terms"20:44
nessita(for later)20:45
ralsinanessita: placeholder texts for designer, when you run the real thing it has the right texts (see first capture)20:45
ralsinait also says "you agree blah blah" ;-)20:45
nessitaoh20:45
nessitaChipaca: can I shutdown the VM and make what we have now the default "0 state"?20:53
nessita( it has FF and some setting tweaked)20:53
Chipacanessita: didn't follow your question, there21:00
Chipacanessita: what we have now where exactly?21:00
Chipacanessita: I can't save this VM in situ unless you're willing to throw away the other one. I can save this vm to a different place, probably21:01
nessitaChipaca: the VM you just setup (:3), is in a state that we can call "clean" but usable (the state you used to start this one had no firefox in it and crazy mouse). So, I was wondering21:01
Chipacanessita: ah. But you don't want the other one to magically depend on this one. Gotcha. Gimme a sec.21:02
* alecu needs to go to pick up Amelia, and do some shopping.21:02
alecubbl21:02
nessitaif I shutdown this VM, can we tag the current state as "clea:"21:02
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nessitaChipaca: sure!21:02
Chipacanessita: if you shut it down, it's gone. I can commit its state now.21:02
Chipacaah. No, I can't.21:03
nessitaChipaca: please do then! I don\ t loose what we have in :1, right?21:03
ChipacaNeoti: see, I lie to you.21:03
nessitaChipaca: stop lying to people we don't know21:03
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Chipacayeah, i do that a lot21:03
nessitaChipaca: ok, is ok, we can always install FF and do the mouse setup. Let's no worry21:04
nessitaChipaca: I did not loose :1, right?21:04
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Chipacanessita: correct21:04
Chipacanessita: i can create a new disc (instead of lazyly running with -snapshot), redo these changes, and commit that21:05
nessitaChipaca: naaaaah21:05
nessitanot for now, at least21:05
XGaryGI installed Ububtu a few days ago. I enabled 'Ububtu One' shortly after installing. So far it has not worked.21:05
nessitaChipaca: but all the changes I do to :3 will not override the "clean" state?21:05
nessitaXGaryG: what Ubuntu version?21:06
XGaryGThe current, with all updates.21:06
nessitaXGaryG: so, how can you tell is not working? I mean, I would like to know if you get crashes or anything to help you diagnose21:07
XGaryGLinux XGaryG 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux21:07
XGaryGI start Ubuntu One, and press the link to visit the Ubuntu One website to set things up.21:08
XGaryGIt says sorry there.21:09
nessitaXGaryG: you don't need to visit any web site to setup Ubuntu One. YOu can either click in "I already have an account" if you already have a Ubuntu SIngle Sign on account, or21:09
nessitayou can click on "Join now" to create a new account21:10
nessitaXGaryG: do you have those buttons?21:10
XGaryGIt says Welcome Gary, but then:  Our Notes, Contacts and Bookmarks database is not responding at the moment.21:10
nessitaXGaryG: that is the web site, not the desktop application, right?21:11
XGaryGThe application appears to be fine.21:11
nessitaXGaryG: what do you get if you navigate https://one.ubuntu.com/files/21:11
XGaryGIt gives me this screen:  Let’s get started with syncing your files!21:12
nessitaXGaryG: right, so is working, but you have no files in UBuntu One21:13
XGaryGI enabled syncing contacts and bookmarks.21:13
XGaryGShould they be there?21:14
nessitaXGaryG: only if you have contacts in evolution, and bookmarks in firefox. But our syncing with firefox 5 is not working at the moment, as far as I know21:14
nessitaralsina: ping21:14
ralsinanessita: pong21:14
nessitaralsina: is our bindwood plugin working with FF5?21:15
dobeyno21:15
ralsinanessita: no21:15
nessitathanks21:15
dobey:-/21:15
thisfrednessita: also desktopcouch replication is disabled for a significant part of the users21:15
nessitathisfred: any idea why? and is that natty or oneiric?21:15
thisfrednessita: because ops turned it off, and that's on all platforms, it's everyone who is on the beautyberry shard\21:16
nessitathisfred: was not aware of that. I feel like this w dev is consuming all of me.21:16
nessitaWait, no, is not a feeling, is True! :-P21:16
thisfredI know21:16
nessitathisfred: thanks for the info. ANy ETA on having that working?21:17
thisfredNot for much longer, hopefully21:17
thisfredI'll ask21:17
nessitathanks21:17
dobeywell, that and the microbials21:17
dobeydamn things are everywhere, and eat everything! :)21:17
nessitadobey: my current tasks are making me dumber, so you if that was a joke I didn't get it :-)21:18
dobeynessita: it was a very bad science joke :)21:18
* nessita lol's as a cortesy, but she still does not get it :-P21:19
dobeynessita: microbes are creatures too small to see without a microscope, and they are all over, and inside, you :)21:20
nessitaah, je :-)21:20
Chipacanessita: correct, all the changes you do to :3 will disappear when you power down21:22
nessitaChipaca: oh. Is there any way not to loose the changes? And, not to loose a clean VM?21:23
* nessita asks, total es gratis21:23
Chipacanessita: i thought there was, but apparently not. Unless the help is out of date :)21:23
Chipacahelp commit21:23
Chipacacommit device|all -- commit changes to the disk images (if -snapshot is used) or backing files21:23
Chipacaso I can't commit to a different backing file21:24
Chipacawhich sounds very silly, but oh well21:24
nessitaChipaca: no problem, let's use this VM as a test for the instructions. But can I reboot it without loosing changes?21:24
thisfrednessita: it is not clear when that server will be opened up again, but there are plans for working on it next week21:25
Chipacanessita: correct21:26
nessitaChipaca: great21:27
NeotiChipace: huh lying to me...21:30
thisfredNeoti: ignore him, he keeps meaning to talk to nessita and then fumbling the autocomplete21:38
thisfredit's so hard to get good staff :P21:38
* thisfred hides21:38
nessita:-)21:38
Neotilolz21:38
* ralsina is on test number 17 for a fracking form. But that's ok!21:39
dobeyalright all, see you on tuesday. have a good weekend! :)21:52
thisfredyou too dobey21:52
thisfredralsina: nessita. anyone need a review, now or in the next 30 minutes? If not, I think I'm gonna declare beer o'clock here too...21:53
nessitathisfred: not in this end, thanks a lot21:54
ralsinathisfred: not me, thanks anyway!21:54
nessitaChipaca: please tell your internet to behave :-)21:55
thisfredok, have a nice weekend people! Let me know if there's anything I can help with later, I'll check my mail. If not, see you on X-day (next tuesday, for normals) ;)21:55
ralsinaIf anyone is still around... https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix_804352/+merge/6666322:22
thisfredon it22:32
thisfredjust in time, haven't had my first sip of beer yet :)22:32
ralsinathisfred: it's a windows review :-(22:33
ralsinaI don't want to lead you to drink too much :-)22:33
thisfredyeah, just saw that. I'll do a code-only review but it will need another :)22:33
ralsinayou can also look at the pretty pictures ;-)22:34
nessitaralsina: I've been reviewing the wiki instructions so DiegoSarmentero can setup his env, I now i need to run to yoga22:35
nessitaDiegoSarmentero: I've just verified IRL (in real life) setup instructions up to "ubuntu sso client" (included)22:35
ralsinanessita: good! Have fun!22:36
nessitaDiegoSarmentero: when I come back from yoga, I will try to verify the rest of the instructions. But you have lots of do till then :-)22:36
nessitaDiegoSarmentero: also, you can ping alecu-away, he will be around later (very likely)22:36
nessitaralsina, alecu-away: latest setup instructions are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Contribute/WindowsTesting22:36
ralsinanessita: thx, bookmarking :-)22:37
thisfredralsina: code looks great22:37
nessitawith direct links to downloads and all22:37
nessitaok, I gotta go, for now at least22:37
* thisfred takes first sip22:37
ralsinathisfred: whoa, I never hear that. I should ask more reviews from you :-)22:37
thisfredderp22:37
thisfredralsina: maybe you're improving because of all the relentless criticism'? :) *hiccup*22:38
ralsinaI know I took care of the style issues that were killing me yesterday at least22:38
nessitathisfred: I'm still reading, you know22:38
thisfredI assure you I can be quite fussy22:38
ralsinaAnd I wrote a boatload of tests22:38
DiegoSarmenteronessita: i will start setting up the environment now22:38
DiegoSarmenteronessita: thanks!22:39
thisfrednessita:  I never say anything bad about anyone, you know that :)22:39
thisfredI think thorough ruthless reviews are an asset!22:40
nessitathisfred: :-)22:41
nessitaDiegoSarmentero: do not believe anything that anyone says about me22:41
nessita:-P22:41
DiegoSarmenterojejeje22:41
nessitathough Dow22:42
nessitaioops22:42
nessitathough DiegoSarmentero already knows I'm test-freaky22:42
nessitaso, no news there22:42
ralsinanessita: this branch has 13 new tests, just for you ;-)22:42
nessitaralsina: THANKS22:42
ryoohkiis there any plans for future machine instances?  i would like to run irssi in the cloud using screen and reconnect to it betwen boots. there are also other things like a running instance of the chrome browser i would like to connect to after rebooting23:41
JanChm, will Echoprint support be integrated into the U1MS ?  (I saw 7Digital supports that project? :) )23:46
karniryoohki: No such things are planned. We're currently storage/data oriented.23:48
=== alecu-away is now known as alecu
alecuDiegoSarmentero, hola!23:50
DiegoSarmenteroalecu: buenas23:50
alecuDiegoSarmentero, how23:51
alecuDiegoSarmentero, how's it going?23:51
alecuDiegoSarmentero, let me know if I can be of any help.23:51
DiegoSarmenteroalecu, fine... yes, thanks! In this moment I'm just installing things :P23:51
alecuDiegoSarmentero, are you using win7 in bare metal or in a vm?23:53
DiegoSarmenteroWinXP in VM... the wiki says that XP and 7 are supported23:53
DiegoSarmenteroalecu, should I use Win7?23:55
alecuDiegoSarmentero, xp should be fine. We've been using 7 lately, because there was a bug with xp in a twisted reactor we *were* using, but we've reverted to another reactor that should work fine on xp.23:56
alecuDiegoSarmentero, if there's any problem with this one we'll be able to iron it out with your install :-)23:56
DiegoSarmenteroalecu, jejeje not so good for me :P23:57
alecunahh... it will work :-)23:57

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