[04:07] <dgroos> Good evening/morning alkisg.
[04:07] <alkisg> Hi dgroos, how are you?
[04:07] <dgroos> Pretty early for you?
[04:08] <dgroos> Good :)  and you?
[04:08] <dgroos> 6:00 AM?
[04:08] <alkisg> Yeah my wife was leaving on a trip and I woke up to say bb :)
[04:08] <dgroos> Nice.
[04:09] <dgroos> I've got a quick question-- are you planning on running natty in your classrooms next year or 10.04?
[04:10] <alkisg> Here, teachers support the computer labs. So we need something stable, and with known problems/workarounds. So we're sticking to LTS releases...
[04:11] <alkisg> We also have a PPA in case some backports are needed, which are not provided officially by ubuntu
[04:11] <alkisg> If I were to use 10.04, I'd use 11.10 instead, even on beta, it would have a cleaner upgrade path to LTS
[04:11] <dgroos> OK, that was the sense I had gotten from you--that there is nothing ultra-compelling about natty.
[04:12] <alkisg> (ah forgot here schools open on September, close to oneiric release)
[04:12] <alkisg> It depends on people's needs. But here most labs won't even run Unity-3D
[04:12] <dgroos> here too.
[04:13] <dgroos> and Unity-3D doesn't do much on fat clients I'd guess?
[04:13] <alkisg> So the only changes visible to teachers, would be firefox 4 instead of 3.6 and libreoffice instead of openoffice
[04:13] <alkisg> It would work like if locally installed, i.e. on cards that support 3D
[04:14] <dgroos> OK--still working on defining the boundaries of fat clients.
[04:14] <dgroos> Can one put ff 4 on the LTS?
[04:14] <alkisg> Also in newer versions package "prism" was dropped, and we need that for our edu apps. That would be another drawback to use >= 11.04. We'll try to upgrade our edu packages for 12.04, to use something else instead of prism.
[04:15] <alkisg> I think so. But it breaks some extensions from the repositories.
[04:15] <alkisg> Also LTS releases get newer kernels more easily
[04:15] <alkisg> For each version of ubuntu, its kernel is backported to the last LTS release
[04:16] <alkisg> So very new labs with sandy bridge will eventually work well on lucid, but not on natty
[04:17] <dgroos> That's a big advantage of LTS I hadn't known.
[04:17] <alkisg> Of course you can use a kernel ppa on 11.04 and get a newer kernel. It's just not supported officially.
[04:18] <dgroos> OK, I'm headed to bed soon but I've wanted to ask your thoughts on that for a while...
[04:18] <dgroos> thanks.
[04:18] <dgroos> Have a great day!
[04:18] <alkisg> You're welcome - but remember those are just my thoughts
[04:18] <alkisg> Don't rely on them too much, see your own needs
[04:19] <alkisg> Good night :)
[11:22] <rhce7320> I have use the online upgrade to upgrade 8.04 to 10, but have ended up with a bricken pxe boot.  My experience is freebsd/Centos, so I'm progressing slowly.  Has somebody had experience in debugging tftp  error code 2 (access violation in wireshark)?
[11:25] <rhce7320> In wireshark, I see a successful DHCP dialogue, a successful arp (server gets client mac), tftp read request, tftp error, sucessful arp (client gets server mac).
[23:04] <stgraber> highvoltage: doh, edubuntu-live got automatically demoted to universe
[23:04] <stgraber> highvoltage: thereby breaking the translation import
[23:04] <stgraber> highvoltage: so alpha-2 will be shipping without translations for the edubuntu-specific installer steps (again)
[23:05] <stgraber> highvoltage: I poked cjwatson so it gets moved back to main and added to whatever list it should be on to avoid another demotion