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| _schulte_ | anyone have pointers to information on configuring lightdm? I'm trying it out as my display manger, and I'd like to try different (e.g., webkit) themes. thanks | 00:23 |
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| bdrung | cjwatson: thanks | 00:28 |
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| dpolehn | has the debian import freeze already started? | 01:30 |
| bryceh | _schulte_, /etc/lightdm/ | 01:32 |
| charlie-tca | dpolehn: according the schedule, yesterday - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | 01:34 |
| dpolehn | thanks | 01:34 |
| dpolehn | charlie-tca: so bugs need to be filed to import packages from debian correct? | 01:35 |
| charlie-tca | yes, I think so | 01:35 |
| dpolehn | thanks again | 01:37 |
| _schulte_ | bryceh: beautiful, thanks, I should have thought to look there... | 01:41 |
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| evfool | has someone ever used auto-upgrade-tester? can I get a bit of help with it? | 07:40 |
| euroford | hi all | 10:09 |
| euroford | i want to update gmp and gcc in lucid | 10:10 |
| euroford | gmp can be built without any problem | 10:11 |
| euroford | bug it break gcc when i upgrade gmp | 10:11 |
| euroford | and i just link libgmp.so.3 -> libgmp.so.10.0.2 | 10:12 |
| euroford | gcc works again | 10:12 |
| euroford | and works well | 10:13 |
| euroford | my question is what shall i do if i want put new gmp into ppa, to build other packages? | 10:15 |
| euroford | how can i install both version of gmp in pbuilder env? | 10:18 |
| nh2_ | cnd: is there an application that displays all fingers on a touchpad as dots to show where they are? | 18:18 |
| cnd | nh2_, would a fingerpaint application work? | 18:19 |
| nh2_ | cnd: I think so | 18:19 |
| cnd | nh2_, install qt4-demos and run /usr/lib/qt4/examples/touch/fingerpaint/fingerpaint | 18:20 |
| cnd | that path is off the top of my head, so you may need to fiddle with it | 18:20 |
| nh2_ | cnd: it start a program "Finger Paint"; it does nothing, though | 18:25 |
| nh2_ | *starts | 18:25 |
| cnd | nh2_, what do you mean by "it does nothing"? | 18:25 |
| cnd | what device are you using? | 18:26 |
| nh2_ | cnd: Synaptics Touchpad in a Thinkpad | 18:26 |
| cnd | oh | 18:26 |
| cnd | synaptics doesn't provide full multitouch information | 18:26 |
| cnd | so we can get some gestures out of it | 18:26 |
| cnd | but you can't see the location of the touches, for example | 18:26 |
| nh2_ | cnd: actually, I wanted to find a program to find exactly that kind of information :D (what information touchpads deliver), so I better ask you | 18:28 |
| cnd | ahh | 18:28 |
| cnd | let me think | 18:28 |
| cnd | I don't think we have any visual tools for semi-mt trackpads | 18:29 |
| nh2_ | so synaptics tells you where one finger is? what does it tell for this value when you put more fingers on it? | 18:29 |
| cnd | all our visual tools are for fully multitouch devices | 18:29 |
| cnd | it gives you a bounding box of all the touches | 18:29 |
| cnd | unless you have a really new device, in which case it gives you the location of the first and the last touch | 18:30 |
| cnd | in both cases you also know how many touches there are | 18:30 |
| nh2_ | cnd: how can I find out? I think I once had some kind of terminal app. that told me the numbers of fingers currently on the pad | 18:30 |
| cnd | I don't know how you can tell between the two right now; someone posted a series of patches for the new devices just last week, but I haven't had a chance to review them | 18:34 |
| nh2_ | cnd: what is also weird is that cat and evtest don't show any output for /dev/input/event7 (which is my touchpad); both work fine on event6 though (which is the trackpoint) | 18:37 |
| cnd | nh2_, the synaptics X input module grabs the evdev device node | 18:40 |
| cnd | so you would need to change VTs and run evtest there | 18:40 |
| nh2_ | ahaaa :) it works | 18:41 |
| nh2_ | is there a tool for X that outputs what it grabs? | 18:42 |
| nh2_ | or something lower-level than xev that shows me what actually happens in the hardware from the X side? | 18:42 |
| nh2_ | cnd: and I guess synaptics does not support "quadtap"? | 18:45 |
| cnd | nh2_, I don't know of any tool that visualizes evdev data | 18:48 |
| cnd | and X does not generate any multitouch events for these devices | 18:48 |
| cnd | I also don't know of anything in synaptics that does something for qaudtaps :) | 18:49 |
| nh2_ | cnd: When I use a synaptics device, should I get output from geistest? | 19:07 |
| cnd | nh2_, yes, you should be able to get 1-3 touch gestures, everything except rotate | 19:14 |
| nh2_ | cnd: hmm, I don't get any output. What for example should generate output? 2-finger-move? | 19:15 |
| cnd | yeah | 19:16 |
| nh2_ | hmm | 19:16 |
| cnd | well, geistest doesn't subscribe to one finger gestures | 19:16 |
| cnd | so two and three finger gestures | 19:16 |
| nh2_ | I guess this is also the reason why touchegg doesn't wokr | 19:16 |
| cnd | probably :) | 19:16 |
| cnd | are you sure your device is multitouch? | 19:16 |
| cnd | it has to be semi-multitouch, not just multi-finger | 19:16 |
| nh2_ | ugh, what is the difference between semi-mt and multi-finger? | 19:18 |
| nh2_ | (btw scrolling up/down here in empathy works fine with 2 fingers, but I don't know if that tells anything) | 19:19 |
| cnd | multi-finger is when the trackpad gives one coordinate (X,Y) and says how many fingers are on the touchpad | 19:19 |
| cnd | semi-multitouch is when the trackpad gives two coordinates forming the bounding box of all touches, and how many touches are on the trackpad | 19:20 |
| cnd | btw, touches == fingers :) | 19:20 |
| cnd | multi-finger could provide drag gestures through uTouch, but we haven't added support | 19:20 |
| cnd | we tried adding it at one point, which broke people's trackpads during the natty cycle, so we reverted the change and haven't tried again yet | 19:21 |
| nh2_ | how can I find out which type this Synaptics is? | 19:22 |
| nh2_ | cnd: ahh. I think this is my problem: https://answers.launchpad.net/utouch/+question/157563 | 19:26 |
| nh2_ | the change you referenced to, is that already in Oneiric by now? | 19:26 |
| tlp | Hi. Latest alpha release/kernel will not boot on my 2007 iMac at work. Known issue? I've been using the previous kernel via grub. | 19:42 |
| tlp | I think there's a panic or something. Not sure if it's logged somewhere -- couldn't find it. | 19:43 |
| penguin42 | tlp: What happens ? | 19:52 |
| tlp | system begins to boot as normal, then freezes. If I do the recovery mode, I see a normal dmesg boot combined with some errors (which I don't have with me unfortunately.) | 19:56 |
| tlp | I'm thinking not having 3.x might be screwing up the r300g video driver as well, since Unity doesn't render. | 19:57 |
| penguin42 | bryceh: Ping | 19:59 |
| penguin42 | bryceh: bug 803610 looks like a continuation of your fight with synaptics | 20:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 803610 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "synaptics touchpad upgrade freezes X directly after login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803610 | 20:00 |
| bryceh | penguin42, you able to repro it? you know the drill... collect a full backtrace | 20:11 |
| penguin42 | bryceh: No I'm not, just thought it worth pointing out given the work you'd done on that one | 20:11 |
| * penguin42 is just triaging bugs at the moment | 20:11 | |
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| bryceh | penguin42, ah thanks | 20:19 |
| bryceh | penguin42, in general when you run across bugs reporting crashes without full backtraces, have them collect a full backtrace | 20:20 |
| bryceh | crash bugs without backtraces are about as useful as freeze bugs without gpu dumps :-) | 20:20 |
| penguin42 | bryceh: By full do you mean a 'bt' from gdb or is the xorg.0.log ok if the debug packages are installed? | 20:22 |
| bryceh | 'bt full' | 20:23 |
| penguin42 | ok | 20:24 |
| bryceh | Xorg.0.log never includes the state of variables and such that you get with full backtraces | 20:24 |
| bryceh | full backtrace also indicates what line number the failure was on | 20:25 |
| penguin42 | sounds like it could do with triggering gdb itself if it was installed | 20:25 |
| bryceh | penguin42, now you understand what apport does :-) | 20:27 |
| bryceh | X just uses the libc backtrace routine. It'd be nice if libc had a routine that printed gdb like full traces | 20:29 |
| bryceh | but for most purposes our apport hook does the trick | 20:30 |
| bryceh | however it isn't turned on post-release | 20:30 |
| penguin42 | yeh, that's a shame really; it would be nice to turn it on for particularly problematic things like X | 20:31 |
| bryceh | it'd be ok for X crashes, those are rare enough. but in general we'd probably be innundated with too many bug reports | 20:32 |
| bryceh | I mean, more than we already are :-P | 20:32 |
| penguin42 | nod | 20:33 |
| bryceh | if we had a proper crash database for the post-release ones to go to, rather than filing them as bugs directly, that'd make it worth collecting them | 20:33 |
| bryceh | https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/ApportOnStable | 20:38 |
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