=== JasonO_ is now known as JasonO [00:23] <_schulte_> anyone have pointers to information on configuring lightdm? I'm trying it out as my display manger, and I'd like to try different (e.g., webkit) themes. thanks [00:28] cjwatson: thanks === TerminX_ is now known as TerminX [01:30] has the debian import freeze already started? [01:32] _schulte_, /etc/lightdm/ [01:34] dpolehn: according the schedule, yesterday - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [01:34] thanks [01:35] charlie-tca: so bugs need to be filed to import packages from debian correct? [01:35] yes, I think so [01:37] thanks again [01:41] <_schulte_> bryceh: beautiful, thanks, I should have thought to look there... === asac_ is now known as asac === dieman_ is now known as dieman [07:40] has someone ever used auto-upgrade-tester? can I get a bit of help with it? [10:09] hi all [10:10] i want to update gmp and gcc in lucid [10:11] gmp can be built without any problem [10:11] bug it break gcc when i upgrade gmp [10:12] and i just link libgmp.so.3 -> libgmp.so.10.0.2 [10:12] gcc works again [10:13] and works well [10:15] my question is what shall i do if i want put new gmp into ppa, to build other packages? [10:18] how can i install both version of gmp in pbuilder env? [18:18] cnd: is there an application that displays all fingers on a touchpad as dots to show where they are? [18:19] nh2_, would a fingerpaint application work? [18:19] cnd: I think so [18:20] nh2_, install qt4-demos and run /usr/lib/qt4/examples/touch/fingerpaint/fingerpaint [18:20] that path is off the top of my head, so you may need to fiddle with it [18:25] cnd: it start a program "Finger Paint"; it does nothing, though [18:25] *starts [18:25] nh2_, what do you mean by "it does nothing"? [18:26] what device are you using? [18:26] cnd: Synaptics Touchpad in a Thinkpad [18:26] oh [18:26] synaptics doesn't provide full multitouch information [18:26] so we can get some gestures out of it [18:26] but you can't see the location of the touches, for example [18:28] cnd: actually, I wanted to find a program to find exactly that kind of information :D (what information touchpads deliver), so I better ask you [18:28] ahh [18:28] let me think [18:29] I don't think we have any visual tools for semi-mt trackpads [18:29] so synaptics tells you where one finger is? what does it tell for this value when you put more fingers on it? [18:29] all our visual tools are for fully multitouch devices [18:29] it gives you a bounding box of all the touches [18:30] unless you have a really new device, in which case it gives you the location of the first and the last touch [18:30] in both cases you also know how many touches there are [18:30] cnd: how can I find out? I think I once had some kind of terminal app. that told me the numbers of fingers currently on the pad [18:34] I don't know how you can tell between the two right now; someone posted a series of patches for the new devices just last week, but I haven't had a chance to review them [18:37] cnd: what is also weird is that cat and evtest don't show any output for /dev/input/event7 (which is my touchpad); both work fine on event6 though (which is the trackpoint) [18:40] nh2_, the synaptics X input module grabs the evdev device node [18:40] so you would need to change VTs and run evtest there [18:41] ahaaa :) it works [18:42] is there a tool for X that outputs what it grabs? [18:42] or something lower-level than xev that shows me what actually happens in the hardware from the X side? [18:45] cnd: and I guess synaptics does not support "quadtap"? [18:48] nh2_, I don't know of any tool that visualizes evdev data [18:48] and X does not generate any multitouch events for these devices [18:49] I also don't know of anything in synaptics that does something for qaudtaps :) [19:07] cnd: When I use a synaptics device, should I get output from geistest? [19:14] nh2_, yes, you should be able to get 1-3 touch gestures, everything except rotate [19:15] cnd: hmm, I don't get any output. What for example should generate output? 2-finger-move? [19:16] yeah [19:16] hmm [19:16] well, geistest doesn't subscribe to one finger gestures [19:16] so two and three finger gestures [19:16] I guess this is also the reason why touchegg doesn't wokr [19:16] probably :) [19:16] are you sure your device is multitouch? [19:16] it has to be semi-multitouch, not just multi-finger [19:18] ugh, what is the difference between semi-mt and multi-finger? [19:19] (btw scrolling up/down here in empathy works fine with 2 fingers, but I don't know if that tells anything) [19:19] multi-finger is when the trackpad gives one coordinate (X,Y) and says how many fingers are on the touchpad [19:20] semi-multitouch is when the trackpad gives two coordinates forming the bounding box of all touches, and how many touches are on the trackpad [19:20] btw, touches == fingers :) [19:20] multi-finger could provide drag gestures through uTouch, but we haven't added support [19:21] we tried adding it at one point, which broke people's trackpads during the natty cycle, so we reverted the change and haven't tried again yet [19:22] how can I find out which type this Synaptics is? [19:26] cnd: ahh. I think this is my problem: https://answers.launchpad.net/utouch/+question/157563 [19:26] the change you referenced to, is that already in Oneiric by now? [19:42] Hi. Latest alpha release/kernel will not boot on my 2007 iMac at work. Known issue? I've been using the previous kernel via grub. [19:43] I think there's a panic or something. Not sure if it's logged somewhere -- couldn't find it. [19:52] tlp: What happens ? [19:56] system begins to boot as normal, then freezes. If I do the recovery mode, I see a normal dmesg boot combined with some errors (which I don't have with me unfortunately.) [19:57] I'm thinking not having 3.x might be screwing up the r300g video driver as well, since Unity doesn't render. [19:59] bryceh: Ping [20:00] bryceh: bug 803610 looks like a continuation of your fight with synaptics [20:00] Launchpad bug 803610 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "synaptics touchpad upgrade freezes X directly after login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803610 [20:11] penguin42, you able to repro it? you know the drill... collect a full backtrace [20:11] bryceh: No I'm not, just thought it worth pointing out given the work you'd done on that one [20:11] * penguin42 is just triaging bugs at the moment === niklas__ is now known as nh2__ [20:19] penguin42, ah thanks [20:20] penguin42, in general when you run across bugs reporting crashes without full backtraces, have them collect a full backtrace [20:20] crash bugs without backtraces are about as useful as freeze bugs without gpu dumps :-) [20:22] bryceh: By full do you mean a 'bt' from gdb or is the xorg.0.log ok if the debug packages are installed? [20:23] 'bt full' [20:24] ok [20:24] Xorg.0.log never includes the state of variables and such that you get with full backtraces [20:25] full backtrace also indicates what line number the failure was on [20:25] sounds like it could do with triggering gdb itself if it was installed [20:27] penguin42, now you understand what apport does :-) [20:29] X just uses the libc backtrace routine. It'd be nice if libc had a routine that printed gdb like full traces [20:30] but for most purposes our apport hook does the trick [20:30] however it isn't turned on post-release [20:31] yeh, that's a shame really; it would be nice to turn it on for particularly problematic things like X [20:32] it'd be ok for X crashes, those are rare enough. but in general we'd probably be innundated with too many bug reports [20:32] I mean, more than we already are :-P [20:33] nod [20:33] if we had a proper crash database for the post-release ones to go to, rather than filing them as bugs directly, that'd make it worth collecting them [20:38] https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/ApportOnStable === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === JasonO_ is now known as JasonO