[01:41] _marx_: if i'm in town (questionable at this point), i'll suck down some java sure [01:41] MarkB1: wow, biggers ... haven't seen that name in awhile. :) [01:42] MarkB1: i work in winston at 5-points (stratford/1st/miller/country club). i'm a sysadmin among other things, and use python daily. [01:42] <_marx_> you don't do any python eh BugeyeD [01:42] MarkB1: doesn't make me good at python necessarily, and i certainly don't consider myself a developer. i just write my own tools. [01:43] _marx_: love python. just saw in the scrollback someone mentioning folks not complaining about python if they'd come from another language. [01:44] _marx_: i was a perl captive for years. i now *hate* dealing with perl. python has me somewhat spoiled. [01:44] of course there's nothing necessarily wrong with perl - but python does seem to fit me better. [01:45] _marx_: i'm wearing a morningdew shirt today. didn't get a chance to walk into a starbucks. :) [01:46] <_marx_> ah that would have been cool :) [01:46] <_marx_> hell were it to krankies; i think there's a rift there [01:47] i visit krankies sometimes, but mostly just the airstream and the owner of that is an old friend. i do downtown when you call mostly. :) [01:48] <_marx_> the airstream on reynolda? [01:48] MarkB1: were you one of the friends-of-zope awhile back? if so, you still doing that? and is that why you asked about python devs? [01:48] _marx_: yup. tommy priest runs that thing. at least i think he does. he seems to be in charge, and i think he does the facebook page too. [01:49] <_marx_> oh i guess that is easy to get to from where you work [01:49] <_marx_> i hit the dt one when working in old salem or at gateway [01:50] MarkB1: i tried getting into plone, and loved it but skinning it for customers was rediculously intricate (5 books later, i know that it takes something like 5 languages to do a good job of it - or at least it used to). [01:50] MarkB1: despite my hatred/distrust for php, i've been using concrete5 cms for customers and have been happy so far. [01:52] _marx_: yeah, it's like a 2 minute drive including stoplights. i still get the same thing - a double macchiato sweetened a bit. good stuff. not at all what starbucks sells. [02:06] * BugeyeD is settling down with a little vino now, and will contemplate a krankies' macchiato tomorrow morning ... caffeine and python. num num num.